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20090226 00:00:04< Sapient> I will go ahead and change the constructors' syntax while I'm at it
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20090226 00:01:44< silene> since you are at it, does the first argument needs to be pointer? couldn't it be just a reference?
20090226 00:02:02< Sapient> that is tradition as well
20090226 00:02:25< Sapient> in practice, it helps us to spot a lot of errors where people are using vcfg instead of cfg etc
20090226 00:02:51< Sapient> because if cfg was implicitly converted to vcfg that would be a bit evil
20090226 00:02:53< silene> then mark the constructor as explicit instead
20090226 00:03:34< Sapient> we have a lot of code that does implicit conversion of &cfg to vcfg
20090226 00:03:50< Sapient> it makes some lines a lot shorter
20090226 00:04:03< Sapient> so, it doesn't bother me
20090226 00:04:29< Sapient> if you want to change that then I leave that task to another
20090226 00:07:04< Sapient> because, I don't have a strong preference wither way
20090226 00:07:39< Sapient> all I ask is that we don't make cfg-->vcfg an implicit conversion (or vice-a-versa)
20090226 00:10:11< silene> anyway, thanks for the help, it was really helpful in getting lua to generate persistent wml events
20090226 00:10:27< Sapient> no problemo
20090226 00:11:08< Sapient> there are a few other places that use memory managed vconfigs, btw
20090226 00:11:10< silene> and that means i don't have to rush any longer to get my reference-counted config object under way, since the cache system of vconfig can take care of it for now
20090226 00:12:08< Sapient> [set_menu_item] [command] creates a special type of event that can be fired from the right-click menu
20090226 00:12:50< Sapient> since the command can be changed at any time, it must be considered volatile and thus memory-managed by vconfig before attempting to execute the [command]
20090226 00:13:59< silene> i see
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20090226 01:42:04< Sapient> hmm... I wonder why show_intro is using memory managed vconfig
20090226 01:42:29< Sapient> that's probably a mistake but I'll leave it in for now
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20090226 02:34:36< CIA-70> sapient * r33100 /trunk/src/ (4 files): 
20090226 02:34:36< CIA-70> -make the public memory-managed vconfig constructor a little friendlier
20090226 02:34:36< CIA-70> -eliminate one vconfig pass-by-value (many more remain)
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20090226 04:02:16< Sapient> cya later, have fun.
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20090226 04:05:59< voris> I seem to remember reading somewhere that this sort of thing in a .pbl will incur the wrath of Ivanovic: title="<220,110,0>MyAwesomeAddon"
20090226 04:06:02< voris> Right?
20090226 04:06:43< Soliton> yeah, formatting there is frowned upon.
20090226 04:06:52< voris> Ok, cool.
20090226 04:07:03< voris> I just took over someone's addon and noticed that.
20090226 04:07:07< voris> I'll get rid of it now. :)
20090226 04:08:52< AI0867> yogiHH: can't reproduce with current C++ AIs
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20090226 04:47:51< [Relic]> Hello :)
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20090226 05:37:23< CIA-70> alink * r33101 /trunk/src/ (mouse_handler_base.cpp mouse_handler_base.hpp): 
20090226 05:37:23< CIA-70> Fix bug #12712: false "click" sometimes triggered at end of unit move
20090226 05:37:23< CIA-70> and a not reported bug about sometimes firing multiple "select" events.
20090226 05:37:23< CIA-70> ilor: seems to not modify the editor behavior but maybe check.
20090226 05:38:05< alink> ilor: I will clean the return later (I have noticed another small other bug with drag&drop)
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20090226 05:39:12< alink> probably kill it because this left_click function is tricky, it can be very long, making its return value possibly obsolete
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20090226 05:40:02< alink> + we pump events there, so sometimes there is several calls running "in parallel"
20090226 05:42:32< alink> ilor: btw i saw that you changed the drag_threshold_ from 14 to 0
20090226 05:42:48< alink> any specific reasons ?
20090226 05:43:51< alink> I don't remember why exactly it was added but I think that most mouse system trigger drag&drop after some distance
20090226 05:44:59< alink> IIRC it was to prevent unmanted drag&drop move, like when doing a slow click near the edge of the hex
20090226 05:45:36< alink> slow click, or normal click with a fast move
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20090226 09:25:39< ilor_> alink: I don't remember exactly why I changed drag_threshold, maybe it felt a bit weird in the editor
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20090226 10:07:36< CIA-70> soliton * r33102 /trunk/ (changelog src/replay.cpp): 
20090226 10:07:36< CIA-70> * removed client side team_name checks for chat display
20090226 10:07:36< CIA-70> the server should only send us messages we're allowed to see (also makes it
20090226 10:07:36< CIA-70> easier to spot bugs with that).
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20090226 10:43:10< Ivanovic> moin
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20090226 10:50:24< CIA-70> zookeeper * r33103 /trunk/data/core/terrain-graphics.cfg: Fixed a great many small transition glitches by making everything use TRANSITION_BASE_L instead of TRANSITION_BASE to make transitions layer with each other properly.
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20090226 11:22:30< zookeeper> oh, and please tell if you spot any remaining transition glitches. i've tried to pretty thoroughly test all sorts of terrain combos, though.
20090226 11:23:13< zookeeper> there's one annoying-looking one with for instance grass+swamp+snow, but there's no easy way to fix that i'm afraid.
20090226 11:23:52< Ivanovic> zookeeper: i think it is fine to have some situations that are just not possible
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20090226 11:27:24< zookeeper> Ivanovic, sure, but it's still nice to not have glitches with not-at-all-unthinkable combinations
20090226 11:31:25< CIA-70> esr * r33104 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/TODO: Most of the UtBS to-dos have been accomplished.
20090226 11:33:01< Ivanovic> zookeeper: yeah
20090226 11:33:05< esr> zookeeper: I''m thinking about tackling a couple of WML-level bugs.  Tell me what you're working on so we don't collide?
20090226 11:33:42< zookeeper> esr, maybe some dozens of files all over the place. maybe you should tell me what you're up to, instead ;)
20090226 11:34:36< esr> Thinking about tackling the two UtBS WML bugs on the tracker and Fendrin's unfinished label flip for LoW::Ka'lian.
20090226 11:36:05< zookeeper> well, go ahead if you think you can handle the UtBS bugs, i haven't started to look at those yet
20090226 11:38:03< esr> zookeeper: Not sure I can but it's worth a look.  I can definitely fix the LoW thing - didn't want to but fendrin has been absent lately.
20090226 11:38:18< CIA-70> zookeeper * r33105 /trunk/data/core/images/terrain/lava-n.png: Fixed a transition tile being off by 1px.
20090226 11:38:31< esr> The UtBS bug with Rogrimir turned out to be a Wont Fix.
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20090226 11:46:05< zookeeper> esr, err, isn't it more like confusing when you just see a troll talking to...apparently no one?
20090226 11:49:26< esr> zookeeper: I didn'tfind it so.  It was obvious he was treatening someone just out of sight, and the WML makes clear that's what the scenario author intended.
20090226 11:50:14< zookeeper> just out of sight? wasn't the point of the report that you actually see the spot on which rogrimir will appear except that he just isn't there?
20090226 11:50:44< esr> He's shrouded.  The author did that deliberately.
20090226 11:52:19< zookeeper> the point of the bug report AFAICT is exactly that if you use a unit with long sight range, the spot on which he'll appear on is _not_ shrouded
20090226 11:52:53 * zookeeper checks the code again
20090226 11:55:52< zookeeper> looks like that to me
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20090226 12:00:39< esr> Well, if you think this is a real bug, you can remove the shrouding.  I think it's fine as is.
20090226 12:02:12< zookeeper> there's no shrouding anywhere in there AFAICT. just removing of shroud
20090226 12:05:07< esr> ???
20090226 12:05:28< CIA-70> zookeeper * r33106 /trunk/data/campaigns/Liberty/scenarios/03_A_Strategy_Of_Hope.cfg: Removed an unnecessary profile=.
20090226 12:05:40< esr> ...I saw a shroud removal and took for granded that must mean there was actual...shrouding somewhere.
20090226 12:05:58< dfranke> the whole map starts shrouded.
20090226 12:06:04< zookeeper> yes
20090226 12:06:19< esr> That;s what I figured was likely.
20090226 12:06:40< zookeeper> i'll try to explain once more
20090226 12:07:01< zookeeper> the player uncovers shroud where rogrimir will appear in. if he uses a fast unit, he doesn't trigger the event in which he appears there.
20090226 12:07:36< zookeeper> so, he just sees the troll but no rogrimir. when he moves closer, he triggers the event, rogrimir appears and the troll speaks (unlike how i said earlier, the troll doesn't speak before that)
20090226 12:07:55< dfranke> btw, it's worth noting that this isn't the only UtBS scenario where you're talking to someone you can't see.
20090226 12:08:52< dfranke> there's also '05 - A Subterranean Struggle', where you can't see either the dwarf or troll leaders when you start dialogue with them.
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20090226 12:29:07< CIA-70> zookeeper * r33107 /trunk/data/campaigns/The_Rise_Of_Wesnoth/maps/Troll_Hole.map: Made better use of the various cave terrains.
20090226 12:30:00< esr> zookeeper: Welll...how would you fix that?  Use a sighted event?
20090226 12:31:04< zookeeper> that or just place rogrimir there at the same time as ugg
20090226 12:31:16< zookeeper> i'd go with the latter since sighted events are tricky.
20090226 12:31:34< zookeeper> but then you'd have to make them unable to attack each other
20090226 12:32:13< zookeeper> or you could figure out what the max sight range you might have at that point would be, and recalculate the trigger area coordinates accordingly
20090226 12:32:47< dfranke> max sight range would be the MPs of a quick desert star I think.
20090226 12:33:26< esr> You mean give it a radious equivalent to the Desert Star's move?
20090226 12:33:41< esr> s/radious/radius/
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20090226 13:15:09< Rhonda> Hmm, in 1.2 I did compile with --enable-python but I never installed data/ais directory in any package   *wonders*
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20090226 16:03:00 * zookeeper wonders whether it's worth it to make the runes glow when stood upon in the second SoF scenario, if that also means invalidating undo on all moves on and off the runes
20090226 16:05:38< AI0867__> probably not
20090226 16:05:56< AI0867__> but it's a good case for actionwml in [allow_undo]
20090226 16:27:01< zookeeper> another thing which sadly didn't get to 1.6 :|
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20090226 16:39:07< Shadow_Master> shikadibot: log 2
20090226 16:39:18< shikadibot> Revision 2 (Sirp, 2003-09-15 11:52:41 +0000 (Mon, 15 Sep 2003)):
20090226 16:39:18< shikadibot> *** empty log message ***
20090226 16:39:18< shikadibot> Web interface URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=2
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20090226 16:50:13< alink> hi
20090226 16:52:41< alink> ilor: about the drag_threshold, indeed make sense, drawing and drag&drop are 2 different things.
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20090226 16:54:18< alink> maybe i will use 2 different values, need to check again the benefits of this threshold
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20090226 17:14:42< Shadow_Master> wow. I have 42 bash sessions running
20090226 17:15:22< Shadow_Master> is it normal to have around 11 /usr/sbin/apache2 in a regular setup?
20090226 17:15:30< Shadow_Master> *11 sessions of
20090226 17:16:35< loonycyborg> Having *one* apache isn't normal in regular setup.
20090226 17:16:46< zookeeper> what... http://www.ohloh.net/p/bom-wesnoth
20090226 17:17:21< Shadow_Master> loonycyborg: noted
20090226 17:19:01< happygrue> "Who knows, maybe some of these campaigns will become mainline someday?"
20090226 17:19:57< zookeeper> yeah, who knows!
20090226 17:20:46< happygrue> I am somewhat comforted by all the zeros in his "I use this" and "followers" numbers... ;)
20090226 17:21:05< happygrue> *number of users
20090226 17:21:28< zookeeper> what, you wouldn't like to play a mormon campaign? pff.
20090226 17:22:29< happygrue> I am way to curious about this, but I wonder if there would be copyright issues for a Biblical or BoM based campaign?
20090226 17:22:42< Shadow_Master> http://code.google.com/p/bom-wesnoth/source/browse/trunk/campaigns/Title_of_Liberty/_main.cfg
20090226 17:22:49< Shadow_Master> notice the textdomain
20090226 17:22:50< happygrue> since a translation can be copyrighted
20090226 17:24:14< zookeeper> happygrue, i've heard of people getting struck by lightning after infringing on biblical copyrights
20090226 17:24:28< happygrue> hehe
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20090226 17:28:43< Shadow_Master> nice, screen is coming up with a shell with ... um
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20090226 17:29:11< Shadow_Master> an interesting environment
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20090226 17:40:33< ShikadiLord> zookeeper: was it sith lightning?
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20090226 18:03:38< Shadow_Master_> I wish there was an equivalent for svnlook youngest for remote repositories
20090226 18:04:29< Shadow_Master_> connect localhost
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20090226 18:33:27< Shadow_Master_> Mordante: https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?13053
20090226 18:33:35< Shadow_Master_> offered it to me only because it mentions my campaign? pfff
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20090226 18:36:16< Shadow_Master_> there's a lot of ... "interesting" stuff going on with that dialog. I've yet to figure out what it is.
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20090226 18:41:21< Shadow_Master_> pfff. wiped out the wrong set of bash sessions
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20090226 18:50:17< CIA-70> esr * r33108 /trunk/data/tools/wmlflip: Beginning of new tool for transforming coordinates in WML.
20090226 18:50:57< Shadow_Master> esr: does it handle only flipping (judging by the name), or also resizing?
20090226 18:52:06< esr> I only have plans for flipping at the moment, but it could be made to handle general matrix transformations (reflection, rotation, translation) if need be.
20090226 18:52:30< Shadow_Master> if it handled resizing, I'd really appreciate it
20090226 18:52:39< CIA-70> shadowmaster * r33109 /trunk/misc/fortunes/wesnoth: Add four fortunes, including some Glowing Fish witticisms.
20090226 18:53:04< esr> What would that transformatioin be?  Define how the coordinate arguments of macros have to change.
20090226 18:53:58< Shadow_Master> I don't understand your question. I think you know that coordinates for labels, items, units, etc. may change both when you flip or resize a map
20090226 18:54:14< Shadow_Master> for both cases you'll stumble upon the issue of "what does that macro mean? how does it use coordinates?"
20090226 18:54:30< Shadow_Master> but I hope you can solve it with real macro expansion, instead of more creeping pragmatism
20090226 19:05:36< esr> Here's what the code does now.  (1) Builds a cross reference.  (2) Mines the cross reference for macro definitions with formal argument pairs that are either X, Y, or*_X and *_Y.
20090226 19:06:40< esr> (3) For each file it's handed, make a table containing one entry for each macro call: the entry has in it start end end offsets for each actual argument.
20090226 19:07:32< esr> Next, I'll filter that table so it contains only the interesting macro calls and argumebnt offsets (i.e. the X and Y args).
20090226 19:08:24< esr> One I have that, very easy to write cone that will take a fynction of X and Y returning a new coordinate pair, and apply it to each argument pair in each call.
20090226 19:10:25< esr> s/cone/code/
20090226 19:11:42< Shadow_Master> nice. My macros use _X and _Y instead.
20090226 19:11:47< Shadow_Master> :-| 
20090226 19:14:35< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: around?
20090226 19:14:45< Ivanovic> jupp
20090226 19:15:17< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: is it safe to modify the phpBB style template files in a running board, or am I supposed to close it first?
20090226 19:15:26< Ivanovic> no idea
20090226 19:15:29< Ivanovic> no idea at all
20090226 19:15:30< Shadow_Master> at least in my test forum at @127.0.0.1 it doesn't seem to have any side effects
20090226 19:15:44< Ivanovic> though better close the forums for 5mins and do it
20090226 19:16:01 * Turuk_ runs for cover.
20090226 19:16:06< Shadow_Master> testing if I can write in that directory
20090226 19:16:18< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: nope, I can't
20090226 19:16:34< Shadow_Master> touch: cannot touch `_foo_bar': Permission denied
20090226 19:16:39< Ivanovic> ask Rhonda to add you in the correct group
20090226 19:16:48< Shadow_Master> she told me to ask *you* :-)
20090226 19:17:06< Ivanovic> nah, Rhonda is the one for altering group setup
20090226 19:17:20< Shadow_Master> and what is the correct group?
20090226 19:17:27< Ivanovic> hay, i don't know
20090226 19:17:49< Shadow_Master> the gid of /BLAH/forum?
20090226 19:17:49< Ivanovic> check the file settings in the folder who owns the stuff and which group owns it
20090226 19:17:59< Shadow_Master> right
20090226 19:18:08< Ivanovic> and check if the group has write permissions
20090226 19:18:18< Shadow_Master> yes it has
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20090226 19:23:26< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: I am not supposed to use su/sudo to e.g. switch to user wesnoth, right?
20090226 19:23:45< Ivanovic> uhm, good question
20090226 19:23:52< Shadow_Master> wait, you don't know? >:(
20090226 19:24:15< Shadow_Master> and who restored the forums the last time the website crashed at  Olm then?
20090226 19:24:17< Ivanovic> that would in general be an option, too, but using it "not via wesnoth user" would be better (since then you know who did stuff)
20090226 19:25:12< Ivanovic> Shadow_Master: that restoring was "hey, our backups *did* work!!!" ;)
20090226 19:26:22< Shadow_Master> how often are backups of the website made btw?
20090226 19:26:30< Shadow_Master> that is, forum database and directory at least
20090226 19:28:40< Ivanovic> there is a daily backup of the database with IIRC the 10 last days in rotation
20090226 19:29:02< Ivanovic> plus all of the home folders as a "once we backup to a different drive and overwrite it every day"
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20090226 19:54:51< CIA-70> esr * r33110 /trunk/data/tools/wmlflip: Data reduction.
20090226 19:57:45< Rhonda> Ivanovic: I have no clue what "the correct group" might be, lost track.
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20090226 19:58:13< Ivanovic> Rhonda: since i don't know it more explicit either, i thought you might know
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20090226 19:58:19< Ivanovic> probably some www group
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20090226 20:03:37< Shadow_Master> pah, I'll have to wait for Turuk to write those fixes
20090226 20:03:52< Shadow_Master> * to get back so I can close the forums and write those fixes
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20090226 20:05:16< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: any idea what the forum_3_0 dir in the html dir is for?
20090226 20:05:32< Ivanovic> Shadow_Master: i think it once was used for the migration stuff
20090226 20:06:10< Shadow_Master> ... and why is the install_ there just renamed? phpBB recommends to nuke it or move it to a client-inacessible location
20090226 20:06:27< Ivanovic> don't know
20090226 20:07:14< Shadow_Master> look, it is client-accessible even. .-/
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20090226 20:08:34< Shadow_Master> it should be safe to move it to /var/www I thinkk
20090226 20:09:33< Rhonda> How can one search in the wiki for commits of a specific user?
20090226 20:09:54< Shadow_Master> ... anywhere but /var/www, I mean
20090226 20:10:01< Rhonda> Ah, only one.
20090226 20:10:13< Rhonda> Shadow_Master: /srv/ hierarchy, please.
20090226 20:12:39< Shadow_Master> ah right, the directories in /var/www are a bunch of symlinks to the stuff in /srv
20090226 20:14:05< Shadow_Master> I'd prefer to move froum_3_0 it to a completely different location though. Can it be moved to my home dir?
20090226 20:14:44< Rhonda> Is that a dir that shouldn't be active at all? Sure.
20090226 20:15:58< Rhonda> Shadow_Master: Done
20090226 20:16:13< Shadow_Master> eh, I was going to do it after closing the forums just to be sure
20090226 20:16:18< Rhonda> And thanks for taking care of it. I hope you keep tracking phpbb updates so we don't stumble into problems.
20090226 20:17:21< Shadow_Master> will try. I didn't read nice comments from Ivanovic about the last attempt to upgrade
20090226 20:17:46< Ivanovic> the main reason was, that i don't know what to do there
20090226 20:17:58< Ivanovic> so it was not a "clean" and easy thing at least for me
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20090226 20:19:08< Shadow_Master> /srv/www/html/newforum ? o O
20090226 20:19:30< Shadow_Master> also has a stray install_ dir. Awesomeness cycholka. :-/
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20090226 20:20:20< Shadow_Master> I'll close the forums before continuing
20090226 20:20:39< Ivanovic> okay
20090226 20:22:13< boucman> hey all
20090226 20:22:29< CIA-70> esr * r33111 /trunk/data/tools/wmlflip: Ready to try analyzing map files now.
20090226 20:22:31< Ivanovic> hi boucman
20090226 20:23:11< Shadow_Master> "Short maintenance downtime - the forums will be back shortly, be patient!"
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20090226 20:25:33< Rhonda> Shadow_Master: Not because of my mv, right?
20090226 20:25:48< Rhonda> The forum downtime, I mean.
20090226 20:26:08< Shadow_Master> Rhonda: nope.
20090226 20:26:15< Shadow_Master> Rhonda: but, um, mv: cannot move `newforum/' to `/home/shadowm/trashcan/newforum': Permission denied
20090226 20:26:30< Shadow_Master> I am trying to move /srv/www/html/newforum out of there
20090226 20:26:59< Shadow_Master> apparently I don't belong the the group that /srv/www belongs (wesnoth)  O o
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20090226 20:27:29< Rhonda> Ah, yes belongs to wesnoth.
20090226 20:27:38< Rhonda> done
20090226 20:27:48< Shadow_Master> thanks
20090226 20:28:13< Shadow_Master> okay, now there are no left-over forum dirs reachable from http clients
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20090226 20:30:51< CIA-70> esr * r33112 /trunk/data/tools/wmlflip: Added mapsize().
20090226 20:30:54< Rhonda> Thanks. :)
20090226 20:35:55< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: is it possible to force a backup now?
20090226 20:36:21< Ivanovic> it probably is, the question is: what kind of backup?
20090226 20:36:31< Shadow_Master> database and forum/ directory
20090226 20:36:44< Shadow_Master> this is a good oportunity to try to upgrade 3.0.3 to 3.0.4 IMO
20090226 20:37:38< boucman> why are forum disabled ? upgrade ?
20090226 20:37:51< Shadow_Master> yes, and a few style-related fixes
20090226 20:37:56< Ivanovic> Shadow_Master: don't touch *ANYTHING* for the next 15mins
20090226 20:38:00< Ivanovic> okay?
20090226 20:38:02< Shadow_Master> k
20090226 20:38:36< Shadow_Master> although I can't speak for the other admins. ;-)
20090226 20:48:34< Shadow_Master> I'm surprised cycholka never added a list of modifications somewhere though
20090226 20:50:16< Ivanovic> backuping the databases atm
20090226 20:51:17< Ivanovic> Shadow_Master: okay, backups should be there, go!
20090226 20:52:13< Shadow_Master> AFAICT the only forum mods that we have installed is the syndication thingy and WesnothMap.php right?
20090226 20:52:30< Shadow_Master> (and my recently introduced hacks to subsilver2, wesntoh and wowgold styles)
20090226 20:53:23< Ivanovic> that is: yeah, we got at least the map stuff, syndication and the own style stuff
20090226 20:53:57< Ivanovic> plus we got something to have "new posts" as well as "posts since last visit"
20090226 20:54:21< Ivanovic> the "view unread posts" stuff
20090226 20:54:56< Ivanovic> i think this was some mod, too
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20090226 20:55:11< Shadow_Master> Turuk: the forums are disabled, but you shouldd have already noticed
20090226 20:55:15< boucman> don't worry Turuk
20090226 20:55:21< boucman> we didn't kill the forum :P
20090226 20:55:23< Turuk> ahhh
20090226 20:55:27< Turuk> Ok
20090226 20:55:32< Shadow_Master> that is: don't despair!
20090226 20:55:33< Turuk> My internet has been having issues as well
20090226 20:55:49< Turuk> So I leave to get a haircut, I come back, my IRC client has shut out, I can't get on to any websites, I think I have it fixed, and no forum
20090226 20:55:57< Turuk> I was adrift
20090226 20:56:03< Turuk> Lost....lonely....
20090226 20:56:06< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: that's sorta weird, I'm checking in my vanilla phpBB 3.0.4 install in my laptop now
20090226 20:56:15< Ivanovic> Shadow_Master: okay
20090226 20:56:37< Shadow_Master> um, "View unread posts" indeed
20090226 20:56:52< Ivanovic> (and i love this one, don't want to lose it!!!)
20090226 20:57:31< Shadow_Master> Rhonda: the phpbb install is not managed by apt at the moment right?
20090226 20:57:44< Rhonda> No, isn't.
20090226 20:57:57< Shadow_Master> good
20090226 20:58:13< Rhonda> I would be happy if it's done by that if that's fine with you so it does receive security updates through the usual channel.
20090226 20:58:42< Ivanovic> this is possible with the extensions?
20090226 20:58:51 * Ivanovic would love it...
20090226 20:59:14< Shadow_Master> not sure, my local install isn't managed by apt either
20090226 20:59:26< Rhonda> I have no idea about what extensions.
20090226 21:00:41< Turuk> Forums mmm
20090226 21:01:09< Shadow_Master> I think that with extensions it'll always need some non-automated manipulation (at least with phpBB 3, who knows what tthe future will bring...)
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20090226 21:02:40< Turuk> Shadow_Master, how long are you expecting for them to be disabled?
20090226 21:02:48< Shadow_Master> some minutes, perhaps a hour
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20090226 21:03:31< Turuk> In order to get the update through to 3.0.4?
20090226 21:03:40< Shadow_Master> yes
20090226 21:03:57< Shadow_Master> it depends on whether any mods bring any dififculties
20090226 21:06:26< noy> Lets stop bothering Shadow_Master asking when it will be ready and let him do his job?
20090226 21:06:42< CIA-70> boucman * r33113 /trunk/src/ (formula_ai.cpp formula_ai.hpp unit_animation.cpp): slight tweak on unit movement, fix bug #13054 please test
20090226 21:06:59< boucman> huh ?
20090226 21:07:10< boucman> this commit was marked as canceled on my tree
20090226 21:07:13< boucman> darn 
20090226 21:07:32< Turuk> I just asked because I was not here and we had been communicating through pm about it earlier
20090226 21:07:56 * Shadow_Master gives noy a cookie
20090226 21:08:45< CIA-70> boucman * r33114 /trunk/src/ (formula_ai.cpp formula_ai.hpp): revert yet again my formula_ai change that I didn't want to commit
20090226 21:09:11 * shikadibot wishes good luck to the database updater
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20090226 21:13:34< Shadow_Master> some conflicts indeed
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20090226 21:16:37< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: where's the backups tree for refering to the original files?
20090226 21:16:46< Ivanovic> ???
20090226 21:16:53< Ivanovic> what do you mean with this?
20090226 21:16:59< Shadow_Master> backups directory. where's the forum dir backup.
20090226 21:17:00< Ivanovic> backups are all in /backup
20090226 21:17:10< Ivanovic> it is somewhere in the depth of this dir
20090226 21:17:35< ilor> Sirp: around?
20090226 21:21:39< ilor> anyone with whom I can talk about the networking stuff: around? ;)
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20090226 21:23:58< Sapient> boucman and Soliton have also worked on the networking code
20090226 21:24:54< boucman> ilor: i'm not really around, but you can ask anyway
20090226 21:25:06< Shadow_Master> 4$"#% why the hel the phpBB mods database doesn't have a search function?
20090226 21:26:45< ilor> ok, I'll just have a short rant here because I think I got it fixed
20090226 21:28:54< ilor> first, select() uses microseconds instead of milliseconds. this meant windows had 0.06 secons of wait time before it declared the connection as lost, and this allowed it to, barely, get the addon list, but wasn't enough to dl any addon above 100kb
20090226 21:29:43< ilor> second, I think it makes more sense to reset the timeout counter every time data is received from the socket, so the timeout happens after N seconds of no data, and not N seconds spent waiting in total
20090226 21:30:47< boucman> ilor: sirp and I agree that the whole networking should be redone
20090226 21:31:08< boucman> it's on the 1.7 todo list, but we are not doing any serious rewrite until 1.6 is out
20090226 21:31:25< ilor> boucman: the addons on windows are still broken and I'm trying to fix it
20090226 21:33:03< silene> ilor: for the second point, could you come with a mechanism that prevents a user to busy the server by sending one byte after another? for instance by putting an overall large timeout
20090226 21:33:03< boucman> oh, ok
20090226 21:33:26< ilor> silene: I'm doing client-side networking
20090226 21:33:39< zookeeper> err, so the forums are down because someone wanted to fiddle with some style templates?
20090226 21:33:47< silene> ilor: isn't the code used both ways?
20090226 21:33:55< ilor> point
20090226 21:33:56< Ivanovic> zookeeper: and because the version is going to be updated
20090226 21:34:16< zookeeper> ah, ok.
20090226 21:34:36< Shadow_Master> yes, I'm at that, cf #wesnoth topic IIRWIIR etc. blah.
20090226 21:37:13< ilor> silene: I'll make it default to 30 seconds idle timeout and 5 minutes total
20090226 21:39:09< silene> great
20090226 21:39:45< ilor> it's also affecting the poll (*nix) version, so I'd appreciate a test after I commit
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20090226 21:43:11< CIA-70> esr * r33115 /trunk/data/tools/wmlflip: Almost ready for production use.
20090226 21:45:21< Shadow_Master> Fatal error: Not able to open ./cache/data_global.php in /srv/www/html/forum/includes/acm/acm_file.php on line 112
20090226 21:45:40< Shadow_Master> and the file has umask 0 now. oops.
20090226 21:49:31< CIA-70> ilor * r33116 /trunk/src/network_worker.cpp: 
20090226 21:49:31< CIA-70> fix two more issues contributing to bug #13059:
20090226 21:49:31< CIA-70> * made the network code use two separate timeouts, an idle timeout that is reset each time data is received, and a total wait counter (that was already there),
20090226 21:49:31< CIA-70> * fixed a rather unpleasant milli-/microsecond confusion
20090226 21:50:52< Shadow_Master> the forum is more or less back, now I have to restore the mods
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20090226 21:51:47< Shadow_Master> uh, I take it back. The software believes it is 3.0.3 still.
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20090226 21:58:57< Shadow_Master> weee!
20090226 22:01:00< Shadow_Master> okay, now I'll check those mods
20090226 22:02:15< Turuk> I wonder where you could find them..... ;)
20090226 22:05:17< Ivanovic> piratebay
20090226 22:05:19< Ivanovic> ;)
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20090226 22:10:07< alink> Ivanovic: about that cloak thing, i am late but yes, a cloak why not. No hurry, feel free to wait that some other slow devs show up ;:)
20090226 22:11:49< alink> grr my connection is very bad today
20090226 22:12:23< Ivanovic> alink: requested, you will have it soon
20090226 22:12:40< alink> Ivanovic: oh nice quick service thanks :)
20090226 22:13:42< Ivanovic> alink: got it
20090226 22:13:47< alink> yeah done
20090226 22:14:08< alink> no i want my ISP to work like that :-/
20090226 22:14:11< alink> s/no/now
20090226 22:14:15< Soliton> i've added access to #wesnoth and #wesnoth-dev for the wesnoth cloaks, btw.
20090226 22:14:21< alink> and my keyboard too
20090226 22:14:57< CIA-70> jorda * r33117 /website/start/1.6/ (8 files in 3 dirs): 
20090226 22:14:57< CIA-70> Prepare 1.6 release notes
20090226 22:14:57< CIA-70> The template file has the same structure as the 1.4 release notes, but it is
20090226 22:14:57< CIA-70> still a work in progress and has no real content yet.
20090226 22:14:57< CIA-70> The Makefile used to build the release notes includes a few improvements: it
20090226 22:15:01< CIA-70> is now possible to build multiple .po and .html file simultaneously (see
20090226 22:15:03< CIA-70> make -j) and doesn't require updating the list of available translations.
20090226 22:15:31< alink> and it works
20090226 22:15:56< CIA-70> jorda * r33118 /website/start/1.6/po/ca.po: Add Catalan translation for testing purposes
20090226 22:16:07< Ivanovic> alink: of course it does
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20090226 22:16:37< Ivanovic> ;)
20090226 22:18:08< alink> zookeeper: i found some ways to move units without triggering select events, i suppose it's not wanted ?
20090226 22:18:51< alink> one is by using goto (which is maybe ok, you don't really select the unit each turn)
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20090226 22:19:09< alink> the other is to select during another unit's move
20090226 22:19:37< Shadow_Master> where am I supposed to see this syndication thingy? -.- I can't remember
20090226 22:19:52< Shadow_Master> at least Firefox is displaying the RSS icon in the addressbar
20090226 22:21:12< Turuk> It used to appear between Search and Members
20090226 22:21:26 * Turuk does not spend too much time on the forums. Honest.
20090226 22:22:17< Ivanovic> there it is IMO better
20090226 22:22:28< Ivanovic> (and so far the "new post" mod is still missing
20090226 22:22:37< Shadow_Master> of course it is!
20090226 22:22:42< Shadow_Master> -.-
20090226 22:23:04< Ivanovic> but beside this it is looking good
20090226 22:23:19< Shadow_Master> I've yet to bring back the WesnothMap.php as well
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20090226 22:28:00< Turuk> The new post mod is part of the unread post mod and Shadow_Master has the file for it
20090226 22:29:44< shikadibot> yes, I'm installin git atm
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20090226 22:41:23< [Relic]> Hello :)
20090226 22:44:55< loonycyborg> Hi :)
20090226 22:44:59< [Relic]> :)
20090226 22:45:44< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: the unread posts mod is back now btw, although fixing its integration with the prosilver theme is what I'm at right now
20090226 22:46:03< Shadow_Master> it seems to work properly for me using subsilver2 tho
20090226 22:49:28< zookeeper> alink, gotos aren't a problem
20090226 22:49:40< zookeeper> but that other one sounds potentially problematic
20090226 22:50:26< Shadow_Master> the syndication mod seems to be working proplery except for the lack of a visible link in the index
20090226 22:51:18< Shadow_Master> modifying more stuff should not require any more downtime. Agree with enabling the forums?
20090226 22:51:42< Ivanovic> sure, if you think it is fine, go on
20090226 22:52:00< Shadow_Master> I'll post a global announcement to invite people to hunt possible bugs as well
20090226 22:53:23< Ivanovic> sounds good to me
20090226 22:53:38< Shadow_Master> and we have one.
20090226 22:53:53< Shadow_Master> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=6
20090226 22:54:10< Ivanovic> uhm, how have you gotten this one?
20090226 22:54:25< Shadow_Master> I'll disable the forums again and check it
20090226 22:54:35< zookeeper> alink, so ideally if you try to select a unit during another unit's move, the selection and the triggering of the select event would get delayed until the move and any moveto events are done
20090226 22:57:44< Ivanovic> Soliton: ping
20090226 22:57:51< Soliton> pong
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20090226 22:57:56< Ivanovic> Soliton: what do you think of cleaning up units/ on wesnoth.org?
20090226 22:58:13< Soliton> not much.
20090226 22:58:29< Ivanovic> that is: get rid of these versions: 1.3.* and the "by now old" 1.5.* versions?
20090226 22:58:36< Soliton> i'd rather want someone to make a nice front page with collapsable menus or so.
20090226 22:58:57< Soliton> so you can collapse all development versions by default.
20090226 22:59:32< Ivanovic> hmm, okay
20090226 22:59:55< Ivanovic> it is just that the units/ folder is getting *huge*
20090226 23:01:33< Ivanovic> (by now it is already at 9GB)
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20090226 23:02:05< Soliton> hmm, that is quitee a bit indeed.
20090226 23:02:11< Ivanovic> jupp
20090226 23:02:29< ilor> what's taking up so much space?
20090226 23:02:35< Ivanovic> http://pastebin.com/d1d860ffe
20090226 23:02:46< Ivanovic> ilor: the complete tree is also translated
20090226 23:02:58< Ivanovic> and each tree has *all* the respective images, too
20090226 23:03:16< ilor> that's probablt _the_ problem
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20090226 23:03:51< Soliton> there are quite some size differences though.
20090226 23:04:10< Shadow_M1ster_> the flaky connection at my end is making things diffiicult :-/
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20090226 23:05:40< Ivanovic> comparision between 1.5.10 and 1.5.6 (between 1.5.6 and 1.5.7 a huge difference occured): http://pastebin.com/m22258e1d
20090226 23:06:44< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: nah, it'sa mod issue.
20090226 23:06:49< Shadow_Master> I'll have it solved shorlty
20090226 23:06:57< alink> zookeeper: well, the selection is currently useful (you can start to plan your next move before the end of the animation done for the first one). Delaying the firing of the select event isn't enough ?
20090226 23:06:57< Shadow_Master> disregard my bad spllingz plz.
20090226 23:07:03< Soliton> probably because i build some versions with more addons.
20090226 23:07:18< Ivanovic> yes, looks like
20090226 23:07:33< zookeeper> alink, hmm...yeah, it'd be good enough to just delay the event triggering.
20090226 23:08:15< alink> zookeeper: ok i'll look into it
20090226 23:08:22< zookeeper> alink, great
20090226 23:08:36< Ivanovic> basically the amount of translations is also killing us
20090226 23:09:33< zookeeper> umm...so how exactly does a unit reference get several times bigger than the whole game..?
20090226 23:09:34< Soliton> well, not that we really have space problems but i guess all of that is also backed up?
20090226 23:09:52< Ivanovic> Soliton: yes, there is the main problem
20090226 23:10:06< alink> mmh, the select event may modify movement points of the unit, i suppose that i will need to refresh the path and reachmap
20090226 23:10:13< Ivanovic> our backup drive only has 150GB
20090226 23:11:09< Ivanovic> atm we already use 55GB of those (though it most likely won't grow this fast, since it is backing up virtually "everything" that is not handled by the package manager
20090226 23:11:10< Shadow_Master> apparntly it's a clash with 3.0.4
20090226 23:11:48< Soliton> how about i strip out all translations for dev versions?
20090226 23:12:27< Soliton> the rest is not much.
20090226 23:12:28< Ivanovic> Soliton: i prefer "of dev versions when the dev version is not 'head'"
20090226 23:12:39< Soliton> yes, of course.
20090226 23:12:40< Ivanovic> that is: keep translations for head in dev
20090226 23:12:49< Ivanovic> sounds very reasonable to me
20090226 23:13:09 * Ivanovic is currently creating a "real" backup of all the website stuff
20090226 23:13:14< zookeeper> is there any reason to want to keep 1.3.x versions there at all?
20090226 23:13:32< Ivanovic> that is: a hardcopy of the folder from before Shadow_Masters changes and then taring it up
20090226 23:13:37< Soliton> is there a reason to want to get rid of them?
20090226 23:14:02< Ivanovic> zookeeper: they are small enough to keep them
20090226 23:14:11< Ivanovic> the latest ones are more of a size problem
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20090226 23:14:45< Ivanovic> Sirp: do we have any stats on the bandwidth used this month?
20090226 23:14:55< Soliton> awstats.wesnoth.org
20090226 23:15:04< Ivanovic> that is: if there are some spare 20GB i will backup the stuff to my drive at home, too, just to be sure
20090226 23:15:16< Soliton> well, that's from apache anyway.
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20090226 23:22:13< Shadow_Master> um.
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20090226 23:24:19< silene> Shadow_Master: "You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'AND user_id = 6' at line 4 [1064]"
20090226 23:24:33< Shadow_Master> yes, I kow
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20090226 23:32:19< Ivanovic> Shadow_Master: still around?
20090226 23:32:25< Shadow_Master> yes
20090226 23:32:33< Ivanovic> good, got my stuff in the query?
20090226 23:32:37< Shadow_Master> yes
20090226 23:32:42< Shadow_Master> thinking
20090226 23:32:53< Ivanovic> okay
20090226 23:33:12< Shadow_Master> I can try what you suggest, not sure how long it'll take. 
20090226 23:33:20< Shadow_Master> so I'd prefer to try _later_
20090226 23:33:42< Ivanovic> okay
20090226 23:34:08< Ivanovic> i am afk for a while, be aware that my copy/compress stuff is taking "some" resources, as in one core is loaded and the backup drive busy
20090226 23:34:19< Ivanovic> so don't expect it to be fast at copying things over
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20090226 23:37:11< Shadow_Master> Rhonda: pling
20090226 23:37:48< Soliton> Ivanovic: ok, removed the translations and it's down to 3.4GB.
20090226 23:38:15< Ivanovic> Soliton: nice, that is what i call "saving space"
20090226 23:38:17< Ivanovic> ;)
20090226 23:38:44< Soliton> i'm not gonna make more versions before 1.6 btw since nothing will really change anyway.
20090226 23:39:11< Ivanovic> nothing beside translations
20090226 23:39:13< Ivanovic> ;)
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20090226 23:49:04< alink> mmmh seems that only the dread bat has a movement animation
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20090226 23:56:00< alink> and i see that move+attack, cancel, other move_attack without reselecting the unit, cancel. doesn't undo the last move 
20090226 23:58:04< alink> boucman: seems that canceling the dialog after a move+attack cause these 1 hex backward jump when the unit start to execute is undo
20090226 23:58:10< alink> (at normal speed)
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