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20090204 04:40:23< [Relic]> Hello :)
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20090204 09:45:20< mnharris> Hello all
20090204 09:45:27< mnharris> I am trying something I might not be smart enough for again!
20090204 09:45:28< mnharris> :)
20090204 09:45:43< Smar> Smarty. 
20090204 09:46:01< mnharris> Are you smart?
20090204 09:46:09< mnharris> Your name seems like it might mean you are.
20090204 09:46:20< Smar> atleast it hilights.
20090204 09:47:04< mnharris> Are you very good at WML?
20090204 09:47:18< Smar> not really
20090204 09:47:34< mnharris> Ah, okay
20090204 09:47:42< mnharris> do you want to hear about how awesome my idea is, anyway?
20090204 09:47:48< Smar> not really
20090204 09:48:01 * mnharris cries to himself
20090204 09:48:19< Smar> well, if you come to code java instead of me...
20090204 09:48:44< mnharris> nope, no Java today
20090204 09:52:51< Smar> :(
20090204 09:53:20< mnharris> I guess I will figure this out tomorrow
20090204 09:53:44< mnharris> Bye bye, all
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20090204 17:25:16< Unnheulu> rod has drawn a load of new saurians, and animated them (for my campaign)
20090204 17:25:29< Unnheulu> If anyone is interested I could send you the images
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20090204 17:34:50< lizard_r> Unnheulu, I would be, but only if you don't mind
20090204 17:35:10< Unnheulu> its rod who drew them, not me ;)
20090204 17:35:21< Unnheulu> are you lizard on the forum?
20090204 17:35:26< lizard_r> yes
20090204 17:35:45< Unnheulu> i've already sent you them, and you said they weren't the same style as your stuff or something
20090204 17:35:55< Unnheulu> i would have to check my PMs
20090204 17:35:58< lizard_r> ok, I'll lok for them now
20090204 17:36:45< lizard_r> I have 0 new messages
20090204 17:37:40< lizard_r> Unnheulu, could you retry sending?
20090204 17:37:45< Unnheulu> hang on
20090204 17:39:46< lizard_r> aww, I misread you message, I tought you meant just some hours ago
20090204 17:39:57< Unnheulu> no
20090204 17:40:02< Unnheulu> some months ago
20090204 17:40:02< lizard_r> are you xer on the forum?
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20090204 17:40:06< Unnheulu> (I'm xer)
20090204 17:40:08< Unnheulu> yes
20090204 17:40:48< lizard_r> I have no message from you, either I deleted them or s.th. is wrong
20090204 17:40:58< lizard_r> so please just resend them
20090204 17:41:36< Unnheulu> hang on, justchecking download stats for my project on sourceforge :)
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20090204 17:55:54< Unnheulu> lizard_r: turns out i sent it to hulavala or something
20090204 17:57:30< Unnheulu> lizard_r: sent
20090204 17:57:41< lizard_r> recived
20090204 17:58:26< lizard_r> I guess you forgot a attachment
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20090204 17:59:28< lizard_r> Unnheulu, or at least a link to a forum post
20090204 17:59:38< Unnheulu> wut
20090204 17:59:41< Unnheulu> i dno
20090204 18:00:02< Unnheulu> wait a bit
20090204 18:00:16 * lizard_r is patient.
20090204 18:02:15< Unnheulu> worked?
20090204 18:02:21< Unnheulu> lizard_r: worked?
20090204 18:02:35< lizard_r> yes, now with attachment
20090204 18:07:30< lizard_r> Unnheulu, I think I already downloaded your campaign to get saurian sprites. But I don't have a unit using those sprites. I'll keep then if I need some Saurians.
20090204 18:08:17< Unnheulu> ok
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20090204 18:17:37< Unnheulu> thespaceinvader: rod noticed that, as soon as he logged out xD
20090204 18:18:02< thespaceinvader> o__O how do you know?
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20090204 18:20:59< Unnheulu> hes my brother
20090204 18:21:01< Unnheulu> :)
20090204 18:21:30< Unnheulu> lizard_r: why upload the same images twice xD
20090204 18:21:45< lizard_r> are thy anywhere else?
20090204 18:22:45< Unnheulu> he attached them -.-
20090204 18:23:11< lizard_r> deleted
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20090204 18:23:50< Unnheulu> hi noy
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20090204 18:24:49< noy> hello
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20090204 18:28:47< Unnheulu> thespaceinvader: do the saurians look any good to you?
20090204 18:29:37< thespaceinvader> i need to find something to open them with first...
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20090204 18:30:27< Unnheulu> hmm?
20090204 18:30:30< Unnheulu> ok
20090204 18:31:25< Unnheulu> ok
20090204 18:31:26< Unnheulu> in other news, there should be 12 hours straight snow in Wales
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20090204 18:35:45< Unnheulu> hey Espreon
20090204 18:39:37< thespaceinvader> Unnheulu: they're ok, I guess
20090204 18:39:46< Unnheulu> i didn't make them^^
20090204 18:40:03< thespaceinvader> not mainline standard yet though, and i suspect that Jetryl has different ideas in mind for the whole line anyway
20090204 18:41:55< Unnheulu> true
20090204 18:42:08< Unnheulu> he has other kinds of saurians drawn, e.g. spearmen
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20090204 19:11:49< Unnheulu> thespaceinvader: why not tell rod where he went wrong then ;)
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20090204 19:23:13< Unnheulu> thespaceinvader: ?
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20090204 21:11:51< Unnheulu> Turuk: your in the army?
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20090204 21:16:36< Unnheulu> thespaceinvader: rod wants to know what he has done wrong in his saurians^^
20090204 21:16:50< Unnheulu> hes eagerly checking the forums every 5 mins
20090204 21:17:36< thespaceinvader> the base frame looks reasonable for the slingshot, but the animations are very cut-and-slidey
20090204 21:18:02< thespaceinvader> the harpooner's one is a bit dull and kinda shapeless, and the same critique could be applied to the animation
20090204 21:18:16< Unnheulu> say on teh forum?
20090204 21:18:21< Unnheulu> I'll forget
20090204 21:18:22< Unnheulu> :P
20090204 21:18:23< thespaceinvader> they're not bad, but they're probably not mainline material
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20090204 21:58:40< Unnheulu> Turuk: your in the army?
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20090204 22:05:44< Unnheulu> thespaceinvader: rod was hoping for some critique on the forum. ;)
20090204 22:05:52< Unnheulu> thespaceinvader: BTW are you still living in Wales
20090204 22:05:53< Unnheulu> ?
20090204 22:05:56< thespaceinvader> yes
20090204 22:06:11< thespaceinvader> and that's all he's getting out of me at present, i'm afraid
20090204 22:06:14< Unnheulu> heavy snow for tomorrow
20090204 22:06:15< Unnheulu> ok
20090204 22:07:23< Unnheulu> http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/5day.shtml?id=1453
20090204 22:08:33< Unnheulu> thespaceinvader: thats the forecast
20090204 22:08:56< thespaceinvader> i know
20090204 22:09:05< thespaceinvader> i can live with that, i have good boots and a hat
20090204 22:10:00< Unnheulu> I wouldn't go driving though
20090204 22:14:05< Unnheulu> thespaceinvader: a year ago or something they were filming Dr Who outside my brothers school
20090204 22:14:26< thespaceinvader> they filmed it outside uni for ages
20090204 22:14:31< thespaceinvader> the first series
20090204 22:14:38< thespaceinvader> annoyingly, i didn't realise what was going on
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20090204 22:14:57< ace-wesnoth> hi
20090204 22:15:02< Unnheulu> hehe
20090204 22:15:06< Unnheulu> cardiff uni?
20090204 22:15:50< thespaceinvader> yes
20090204 22:15:52< ace-wesnoth> how is it possible to see a probabability of 100% to kill a unit in the computation dialog?
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20090204 22:16:23< ace-wesnoth> isn't it just rounding ?
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20090204 22:17:13< thespaceinvader> ace-wesnoth: what were the two units and the terrain?
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20090204 22:17:19< Unnheulu> thespaceinvader: i think my cousin is trying to get a phd there 
20090204 22:17:29< thespaceinvader> ok
20090204 22:17:30< Unnheulu> ace-wesnoth: is it an official campaign?
20090204 22:17:33< ace-wesnoth> because just above it, I see change of getting out without damage: 0,1%
20090204 22:17:54< ace-wesnoth> MP map, survival extreme era
20090204 22:18:07< ace-wesnoth> magical 24-9 against 3-3 magical
20090204 22:18:27< Tomsik> It's obvious then
20090204 22:18:30< ace-wesnoth> the probability is maybe 99,9% and is displayed as 100%? that is my question
20090204 22:18:44< Tomsik> Don't play scenarios with ridiculously overpowered units :-p
20090204 22:19:27< ace-wesnoth> the scenario is about 1 overpowered unit against hordes of normal ones ;)
20090204 22:19:42< ace-wesnoth> it is not that easy :)
20090204 22:19:45< thespaceinvader> ace-wesnoth: i think anything over 99.95 would round to 100
20090204 22:19:54< thespaceinvader> and that ought to be the case there =P
20090204 22:20:07< ace-wesnoth> yes
20090204 22:20:39< Unnheulu> thespaceinvader: how is the weather in cardiff? 
20090204 22:20:40< ace-wesnoth> yes, and 0,05 -> 0,1
20090204 22:20:42< Unnheulu> Snowing yet?
20090204 22:20:54< ace-wesnoth> but then it looks illogical
20090204 22:21:04< ace-wesnoth> survival chance=0,1%
20090204 22:21:10< ace-wesnoth> death change=100% :)
20090204 22:21:13< thespaceinvader> Unnheulu: doesn't look like it
20090204 22:21:21< Unnheulu> ok
20090204 22:21:26< Unnheulu> they say midnight so
20090204 22:21:27< ace-wesnoth> can that be fixed somehow?
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20090204 22:22:37< thespaceinvader> ace-wesnoth: there has to be rounding eventually, so there would always be the possibility of getting a 100 or 0% chance to kill
20090204 22:22:43< Unnheulu> changing the time its meant to be snow?
20090204 22:22:48< Unnheulu> I dont think so :S
20090204 22:22:53< Unnheulu> :P
20090204 22:23:04< thespaceinvader> not to mention the fact that you can set probabilities to those values manually =D
20090204 22:23:48< ace-wesnoth> thespaceinvader: what about computing one and make the other one complementary to it? 100-first_one? :)
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20090204 22:24:06< ace-wesnoth> but that may not be possible if there are several possible outcomes
20090204 22:24:21< thespaceinvader> ace-wesnoth: programming's not really my area, i'm afraid, and maths is a little iffy ;)
20090204 22:24:29< thespaceinvader> i'm an artist for the game
20090204 22:24:42< ace-wesnoth> i know :)
20090204 22:24:46< ace-wesnoth> maths :)
20090204 22:24:52< Unnheulu> ah
20090204 22:24:56< Unnheulu> I love maths :)
20090204 22:25:00< ace-wesnoth> this one computation was really strange
20090204 22:25:08< Unnheulu> I find drawing a real chore though ;)
20090204 22:25:14< Unnheulu> unless im in the mood
20090204 22:25:20< ace-wesnoth> there was only 1 outcome proposed = death
20090204 22:25:32< Unnheulu> fun away
20090204 22:25:36< Unnheulu> run away
20090204 22:25:38< Unnheulu> lol
20090204 22:25:49< ace-wesnoth> but when the battle really went, the lich didn't kill the opponent with single hit
20090204 22:25:52< ace-wesnoth> he needed 2
20090204 22:26:36< thespaceinvader> chance to kill=/=chance to kill on the first hit
20090204 22:26:37< ace-wesnoth> so if hi wouldn't hit anymore, there was another possible outcome (probably that 0,1%)
20090204 22:26:42< ace-wesnoth> i know
20090204 22:27:05< ace-wesnoth> therefore I expected the computation dialog to show like:
20090204 22:27:19< ace-wesnoth> remaining HP: 20 -- 0,1%
20090204 22:27:25< ace-wesnoth> 2- 0,1%
20090204 22:27:29< ace-wesnoth> 0-99,8%
20090204 22:27:40< thespaceinvader> the chance to survive is rounded off - below 0.05%, it's functionally zero with rounding taken into account
20090204 22:27:41< ace-wesnoth> but it only shown: 0 - 100%
20090204 22:29:19< ace-wesnoth> i like maths too, have a degree in CS :) too much maths :)
20090204 22:29:23< ace-wesnoth> ok, never mind
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20090204 22:29:36< thespaceinvader> from what you've said, i'd calculate the probability of survival as several orders of magnitude below zero (depending on the health of the target) which is basically zero...
20090204 22:29:37< ace-wesnoth> i just wanted to report a possibly illogical display
20090204 22:29:49< Unnheulu> too young to get any degrees and stuff
20090204 22:29:52< thespaceinvader> if you think it's worth it, you could file a bug report
20090204 22:29:59< thespaceinvader> bugs.wesnoth.org
20090204 22:30:08< Unnheulu> Wont start GCSE's for two years
20090204 22:30:11< Unnheulu> ^^
20090204 22:30:19< thespaceinvader> but i think it's probably down to the fact that you have to start rounding somewhere...
20090204 22:30:20< ace-wesnoth> thespaceinvader: below zero?
20090204 22:30:32< thespaceinvader> good point
20090204 22:30:55< thespaceinvader> below 0.05, which would be the lowest displayed under the current rounding method.
20090204 22:31:11< ace-wesnoth> ok
20090204 22:31:27< ace-wesnoth> i must have hit the only problematic spot = 0,05 + 99,95
20090204 22:31:41< ace-wesnoth> even 0,04 +99,96 would be rounded corrently
20090204 22:31:44< ace-wesnoth> correctly
20090204 22:31:52< thespaceinvader> yeah
20090204 22:33:27< ace-wesnoth> ok, now when I look at more dialogs i can see the rounding often
20090204 22:33:42< ace-wesnoth> like 0.1+0.4+99.6
20090204 22:33:50< ace-wesnoth> haven't noticed before ;)
20090204 22:34:11< ace-wesnoth> wasn't that appaling as those 100% ;)
20090204 22:34:21< ace-wesnoth> ok, thanks for your discussion
20090204 22:34:23< Tomsik> as far as I know
20090204 22:34:24< ace-wesnoth> bye
20090204 22:34:30< Tomsik> wesnoth rounds towards original value
20090204 22:34:44< ace-wesnoth> that is?
20090204 22:35:01< Tomsik> if you have value*0.5
20090204 22:35:04< Tomsik> then it'll round up
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20090204 22:35:11< Tomsik> if you have value*1.1 it'll round down
20090204 22:35:31< Tomsik> something like that
20090204 22:36:11< ace-wesnoth> didn't understand that
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20090204 22:36:25< mnharris> Hello again
20090204 22:36:25< ace-wesnoth> * = multiplication?
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20090204 22:38:19< mnharris> I am hungry. Do I want to get food...or figure out how that one thing works.
20090204 22:40:58< ace-wesnoth> ok, bye
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20090204 22:44:05< grzywacz> Tomsik, ;-)
20090204 22:44:27< Tomsik> I did say something stupid, didn't I
20090204 22:45:11< mnharris> I am trying to figure out how [option] is parsed
20090204 22:45:17< mnharris> oh, and [command] and [set variable]
20090204 22:45:36< grzywacz> Parsed?
20090204 22:46:27< mnharris> Yes
20090204 22:46:49< mnharris> Does [option] have to be inside a [message]?
20090204 22:46:50< Unnheulu|Laptop> finally, snow
20090204 22:46:56< Unnheulu|Laptop> thespaceinvader: snowing for you yet?
20090204 22:47:00< mnharris> Which then has to be inside of an [event]?
20090204 22:47:11< thespaceinvader> Unnheulu|Laptop: no
20090204 22:47:13< mnharris> Is this real world snow, or is this Wesnoth snow?
20090204 22:47:24< thespaceinvader> mnharris: the real thing
20090204 22:47:37< Unnheulu|Laptop> thespaceinvader: it is in penarth :P
20090204 22:47:53< thespaceinvader> i imagine it will be soon here, then
20090204 22:48:43< mnharris> Penarth is in Wales?
20090204 22:49:02< thespaceinvader> mnharris:  yes
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20090204 22:49:25< mnharris> And it means "White Something"
20090204 22:49:29< mnharris> White Bear!
20090204 22:49:44< mnharris> oh, okay, southern suburb of Cardiff
20090204 22:49:55< mnharris> On the Sabrina River!
20090204 22:51:07< Unnheulu|Laptop> mnharris: not white bear
20090204 22:51:13< Unnheulu|Laptop> Bear Head
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20090204 22:51:23< mnharris> OH
20090204 22:51:24< Unnheulu|Laptop> Pen = Head
20090204 22:51:25< mnharris> Duh, duh
20090204 22:51:29< mnharris> Penguin= White Head
20090204 22:51:35< mnharris> Guinevere=White something
20090204 22:51:38< Unnheulu|Laptop> And Nouns come before Adjectives
20090204 22:51:38< mnharris> Pen=Head
20090204 22:51:56< mnharris> I was actually just guessing at Arth, but I thought that Arthur was "The Bear"
20090204 22:52:38< Unnheulu|Laptop> oh, was he?
20090204 22:52:41< Unnheulu|Laptop> I didn't know that
20090204 22:52:56< Unnheulu|Laptop> mnharris: you been to wales>
20090204 22:53:03< mnharris> Nope
20090204 22:53:11< mnharris> I have never been to Europe
20090204 22:53:19< Unnheulu|Laptop> oh
20090204 22:53:44< Unnheulu|Laptop> we are hardly part of the EU ;)
20090204 22:54:07< mnharris> I live in Oregon, in the US. Which has the population of Wales, and is the size of the entire UK.
20090204 22:54:17< Unnheulu|Laptop> 3 million people?
20090204 22:54:21< Unnheulu|Laptop> or 2 million?
20090204 22:54:22< mnharris> Yes
20090204 22:54:29< Unnheulu|Laptop> (Im not sure the population of wales xD
20090204 22:54:34< mnharris> Wales is three million
20090204 22:54:38< mnharris> we are actually closer to four
20090204 22:54:54< Unnheulu|Laptop> thespaceinvader: you should definetly check out caerphilly castle
20090204 22:55:06< thespaceinvader> Unnheulu|Laptop: been there, done that
20090204 22:55:11< mnharris> Do you still dream of throwing the Anglo-Saxon invaders back into the sea?
20090204 22:55:16< Unnheulu|Laptop> its pretty cool isn't it
20090204 22:55:22< thespaceinvader> mmhmm
20090204 22:55:38< Unnheulu|Laptop> tbh, i think william was better than both harolds
20090204 22:55:48< Unnheulu|Laptop> so no
20090204 22:55:53< mnharris> Oh, okay.
20090204 22:55:54< Unnheulu|Laptop> ui mean yes
20090204 22:55:58< Unnheulu|Laptop> i mean no
20090204 22:56:03< Unnheulu|Laptop> i mean whatever :)
20090204 22:56:07< mnharris> Do you ever go to the Isle of Man?
20090204 22:56:10< Unnheulu|Laptop> no
20090204 22:56:18< Unnheulu|Laptop> thespaceinvader: checked out cosemeston?
20090204 22:56:21< Unnheulu|Laptop> cosmeston even
20090204 22:56:29< thespaceinvader> never heard of it
20090204 22:56:37< thespaceinvader> but these days i really have little time for tourism...
20090204 22:56:40< Unnheulu|Laptop> about 5 miles from cardiff
20090204 22:56:42< Unnheulu|Laptop> ok
20090204 22:57:02< Unnheulu|Laptop> walking distance from most of penarth
20090204 22:57:07< mnharris> One of my goals is to get a postcard or letter from every country in the world.
20090204 22:57:08< Unnheulu|Laptop> two big lakes
20090204 22:57:15< Unnheulu|Laptop> :)
20090204 22:57:24< mnharris> And of course, Isle of Man is one of the harder ones to get
20090204 22:57:41< Unnheulu|Laptop> not a country, a county i thought
20090204 22:57:54< Unnheulu|Laptop> its north wales
20090204 22:58:05< Unnheulu|Laptop> never been much further north than london
20090204 22:58:11< Unnheulu|Laptop> (other than on a plane :))
20090204 22:58:43< Unnheulu|Laptop> thespaceinvader: cosmeston might make a nice map...
20090204 22:58:47< Unnheulu|Laptop> :)
20090204 22:59:33< mnharris> Isle of Man is a country, at least for some purposes
20090204 22:59:36< mnharris> like the Channel Islands
20090204 22:59:45< Unnheulu|Laptop> hmm
20090204 22:59:51< Unnheulu|Laptop> its in north wales though
20090204 23:00:02< Unnheulu|Laptop> i hate the queen
20090204 23:00:15< Unnheulu|Laptop> ;)
20090204 23:00:21< Unnheulu|Laptop> Sits around all day, doing nothing
20090204 23:00:27< Unnheulu|Laptop> And nicks all our cash
20090204 23:00:33< mnharris> Yes, we had a revolution 250 years ago to get rid of them
20090204 23:00:42< Unnheulu|Laptop> i know
20090204 23:00:45< mnharris> The Canadians might eventually follow us!
20090204 23:00:49< Unnheulu|Laptop> after they increased taxes
20090204 23:00:54< Unnheulu|Laptop> nah
20090204 23:01:17< mnharris> It was about more than money
20090204 23:01:24< mnharris> hmmm
20090204 23:01:30< mnharris> I don't suppose anyone is up for some pastebin?
20090204 23:01:37< Unnheulu|Laptop> when  i went skiing in BC, then everyone thought it was amazing having a british person there, and said how amazing the queen was
20090204 23:02:18< Unnheulu|Laptop> thespaceinvader: in cosmeston medieval village, sometimes on weekends then they show people dressed up fighting
20090204 23:02:20< Unnheulu|Laptop> ^^
20090204 23:02:26< thespaceinvader> ok
20090204 23:02:26< Unnheulu|Laptop> and let you use a real crossbow
20090204 23:02:38< Unnheulu|Laptop> you should check out cosmeston if you have the chance
20090204 23:02:44< thespaceinvader> duly noted
20090204 23:04:11< Unnheulu|Laptop> started snowing for oyu yet?
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20090204 23:04:28< thespaceinvader> no
20090204 23:04:48< mnharris> It doesn't usually snow where I am
20090204 23:05:05< Unnheulu|Laptop> first time its snowed here in 2 years
20090204 23:05:18< Unnheulu|Laptop> 2 years ago it was the first time in 6-8 years
20090204 23:05:35< Unnheulu|Laptop> and those are the only times its properly snowed in my life in wales
20090204 23:05:41< Unnheulu|Laptop> (Im 13, so
20090204 23:06:21< ikarius> so, it's getting colder?
20090204 23:06:28< ikarius> britain -> brrrrritain
20090204 23:06:38< Unnheulu|Laptop> hmm
20090204 23:06:40< Unnheulu|Laptop> doubt it
20090204 23:06:49< Unnheulu|Laptop> last time it snowed it was only for two days
20090204 23:07:00< Unnheulu|Laptop> and this is the third day snice we first saw snow
20090204 23:07:10< Unnheulu|Laptop> (It melted today)
20090204 23:07:19< ikarius> ah well. it was an opportunity to make a bad play on words.
20090204 23:07:39< Unnheulu|Laptop> oh i get joke
20090204 23:07:41< Unnheulu|Laptop> lol
20090204 23:08:59< mnharris> Nope, still doesn't work.
20090204 23:09:09< Ivanovic> n8
20090204 23:09:16< ikarius> mmmrmf.  I really need to poke around in the wesnoth source code more.
20090204 23:10:17< Unnheulu|Laptop> lol, reddragonfm.co.uk had a list of closed schools on it, and now its gone down
20090204 23:10:31< Unnheulu|Laptop> it had huge down time this morning, but now it seems more serious downtime lol
20090204 23:11:04< mnharris> Anyway, bye bye for now
20090204 23:11:11< ikarius> I'm curious how difficult it would be to rework it so that the interface is *very* easily hackable via xml or whatnot, and get things to the point where it wouldn't be utterly horrid to implement a radically different TBS on top of the engine
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20090204 23:11:59< ikarius> i.e. if someone wanted to emulate HoMM, or Age of Wonders, they could write that and still re-use most of the display/managent engine from Wesnoth
20090204 23:12:57< Unnheulu|Laptop> be back tommorow
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