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20090209 03:56:44< Glorfindel_> been playing Invasion from the Unknown
20090209 03:56:57< Glorfindel_> I'm starting to think all the XP I put into faries was wasted
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20090209 04:07:34< zooko> Earlier someone recommended World Conquest, for 3 friends vs. the computer.
20090209 04:07:44< zooko> It's awesome!  Now, however, I need another game, for just 2 friends.
20090209 04:07:54< zooko> What multiplayer scenarios do you folks recommend?  :-)
20090209 04:08:14< Glorfindel_> I've got rills on the stable server if you like chokepoints
20090209 04:08:34< Glorfindel_> we also used to do it with an unusual configuration of hexcake
20090209 04:09:19< Glorfindel_> amhalsed caldera is also feasable
20090209 04:09:49< zooko> Thanks!
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20090209 05:59:29< zooko> I wish I could have all the units labelled by their names.
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20090209 06:00:57< Turuk> ?
20090209 06:02:04< zooko> I would like to see the names of all friendly units on the map.
20090209 06:02:16< zooko> The way towns are labelled, but for unitas.
20090209 06:05:01< Turuk> Why exactly?
20090209 06:05:32< zooko> We're playing cooperatively, including a live phone connection, and it would be really useful to identify which units we mean by name.
20090209 06:05:42< zooko> Also, it would add flavor and make it more fun to imagine them having little personalities.  :-)
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20090209 06:06:15< Turuk> Well, you could always place a label to indicate to the other person what unit you are talking about
20090209 06:06:21< zooko> We did
20090209 06:06:34< zooko> but then when the units moved the labels were left behind pointing at the ground where the units had once stood.  :-)
20090209 06:06:50< Turuk> Fair enough, but clear labels works too
20090209 06:06:56 * zooko nods.
20090209 06:06:59< Turuk> If you can talk and direct him to what unit you mean....
20090209 06:07:14< Turuk> Labels are more effective for those who can only communicate by typing
20090209 06:07:15< zooko> I would like to be able to toggle on names for all units.
20090209 06:07:30< zooko> Currently we are talking on the phone and saying things like "No, the one by the forest..."
20090209 06:07:46< Turuk> why not just use the coordinates?
20090209 06:07:50< Turuk> That will make it extremely easy
20090209 06:07:56< zooko> Well, that's a good idea I hadn't thought of.
20090209 06:08:01< Turuk> ;)
20090209 06:08:09< zooko> But also I want the names because I want to think of the units as being like characters, with names and traits.
20090209 06:08:26< Turuk> They have names and traits, just hover over the unit and it shows in the side
20090209 06:08:28< zooko> Hm, in fact I would like it if their traits were indicated graphically on the unit itself.
20090209 06:08:36< Turuk> Eh
20090209 06:08:44< Turuk> It would make each hex/sprite incredibly busy
20090209 06:08:53< zooko> Yes, but those aren't so visible -- I usually don't know the names and traits of most of the units, and I would like to.
20090209 06:09:06< Turuk> You can just look?
20090209 06:09:12< zooko> No, that's too much.
20090209 06:09:17< zooko> You have to gesture in order to make it visible.
20090209 06:09:26< zooko> And then if you forget you have to do it again next turn, for each unit.
20090209 06:09:31< Turuk> It's too much effort to move the mouse over the unit?
20090209 06:09:47< zooko> Yes, if you want to have a current view of all their names and traits.
20090209 06:10:03< zooko> It would slow the game down.
20090209 06:10:13 * Soliton can tell most trait combinations by the HP bar.
20090209 06:10:21< zooko> Neat!
20090209 06:10:42< zooko> Okay I'm giong to stop chatting and concentrate on this game...
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20090209 08:45:02< matthewt> the new naga is ugly
20090209 08:45:20< matthewt> i just wanted to get that off my chest
20090209 08:46:19< Unnheulu> -.-
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20090209 09:16:26< matthewt> does anyone know i can change it back to the old graphic
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20090209 09:19:00< Soliton> yes.
20090209 09:25:43< matthewt> would you tell me
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20090209 09:43:22< matthewt> well, congrats on being so clever Soliton 
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20090209 16:47:37< Ivanovic> hi
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20090209 18:52:02< zSensei> Hi
20090209 18:54:48< zSensei> How do I permanently set a map's starting gold and per village?
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20090209 19:45:43< zSensei> anyone here?
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20090209 19:46:39< Shadow_Master> 45 users (not including you and me)
20090209 19:48:11< Unnheulu> hahaha
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20090209 19:52:38< zSensei> well how do I get .CFG and .MAP files to work for custom maps?
20090209 19:52:58< zookeeper> your question makes no sense as such.
20090209 19:53:15< zSensei> oh boy
20090209 19:53:25< zSensei> <zSensei> How do I permanently set a map's starting gold and per village?
20090209 19:53:47< Unnheulu> zSensei: Why not use my skeleton?
20090209 19:54:10< zSensei> ? http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/BuildingMultiplayerExamples
20090209 19:54:12< Shadow_Master> http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/BuildingMultiplayer and http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/ReferenceWML and http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/SideWML
20090209 19:54:19< zSensei> It keeps throwing errors
20090209 19:54:24< Shadow_Master> the latter includes the [side] gold_lock=true  documentation.
20090209 19:54:30< zSensei> when I try to combie the editor's output with WML
20090209 19:55:04< zSensei> I hope it's not an issue with CRLF crap
20090209 19:55:17< zSensei> because I'm editing them with Windows Notepad, and
20090209 19:55:33< Unnheulu> you should be using linux ^^
20090209 19:55:36< Unnheulu> sry
20090209 19:55:41< Shadow_Master> Unnheulu: not helpful.
20090209 19:55:43< Unnheulu> I'm jt in a hyperactive mood today
20090209 19:55:49< zSensei> lol please.
20090209 19:55:54< zSensei> where do I keep the file, and what do I name it? It's all so inconsistent! There's 4 folders for maps, not counting the one in the game binaries
20090209 19:56:48< Unnheulu> zSensei: Put it in the place where files d/l from the server are put
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20090209 19:56:51< Shadow_Master> <pref dir>/userdata/data/campaigns
20090209 19:56:56< zookeeper> yup
20090209 19:56:57< Unnheulu> (I dno where that is under windows)
20090209 19:57:04< zSensei> some are named .map some have no extension, others are .cfg pointing to the .map, and in the help
20090209 19:57:12< Unnheulu> cant help much more, never strayed into multiplayer
20090209 19:57:39< Unnheulu> zSensei: Oh yeah, if you are putting the code in the map file, make the extension .cfg i think
20090209 19:57:39< Shadow_Master> Unnheulu: then don't try to help.
20090209 19:57:53< Unnheulu> Shadow_Master: Okays, Im just reading of the examples
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20090209 19:58:44< Unnheulu> Shadow_Master: I feel I have somehow personally insulted you ;P
20090209 19:59:30< zSensei> the multiplayer UI only seems to pick from %homepath%\documents\My Games\Wesnoth1.5\editor\maps
20090209 19:59:59< Shadow_Master> zSensei: well, it won't work out of the box throwing a WML file at userdata/data/campaigns
20090209 20:00:01< zSensei> and I don't want to modify anything in the read-only binary installation folder
20090209 20:00:15< Shadow_Master> Unnheulu: no, just stop writing uninformed statements.
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20090209 20:00:33< Shadow_Master> zSensei: have you tried downloading a MP add-on and checking its WML?
20090209 20:00:40< zSensei> I'm not trying a campaign, just a 2p melee
20090209 20:01:03< Shadow_Master> I said Multiplayer add-on. Most of them are map packs..
20090209 20:01:47< zookeeper> if you're just creating a single scenario, put it in as <pref dir>/userdata/data/campaigns/yourscenario/_main.cfg
20090209 20:02:22< Shadow_Master> I hope you aren't "embedding WML into the map" rather than "embedding the map into the WML" 
20090209 20:02:39< zSensei> It keeps saying about unterminated strings and the like; I suspect a CRLF incompatibiliy, considering the game's inability even to process different cases
20090209 20:03:36< Shadow_Master> it's a feature - case insensitivity decreases performance. And can you paste the code into e.g. wesnoth.pastebin.com ?
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20090209 20:05:58< zSensei> different results from say, pressing m or M for send in-game messages, increases confusion as well!
20090209 20:06:23< Shadow_Master> that's a bug for sure.
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20090209 20:07:40< zSensei> http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/md9b1540
20090209 20:08:02< zSensei> if i left out the [side]s here, it doesn't work with them either
20090209 20:10:01< Shadow_Master> CRLF issue indeed :-/
20090209 20:10:21< Shadow_Master> try using a real editor , e.g. notepad++
20090209 20:11:05< Unnheulu> whch is what i was saying in a nutshell -.-
20090209 20:11:16< zSensei> lol I tried 3, and Windows 7's Wordpad is supposed to preserve line terminations
20090209 20:11:29< Unnheulu> mousepad/gedit/nano/whatever works fine
20090209 20:11:37< Shadow_Master> Unnheulu: grr.
20090209 20:11:48< zSensei> lol
20090209 20:12:06< Unnheulu> if editor == "notepad": { std::cout << "Doesn't work" }
20090209 20:12:07< Unnheulu> ^^
20090209 20:12:09< Shadow_Master> Unnheulu: you give such a bad impression of the Linux community.
20090209 20:12:26< Unnheulu> Shadow_Master: I give a bad impression of the teenage linux community :)
20090209 20:12:30< Shadow_Master> zSensei: I definitively don't know about Windows 7.
20090209 20:12:40< zSensei> lol it's OK, stop chastising him
20090209 20:12:44< Unnheulu> i have beta
20090209 20:12:46< Shadow_Master> at least Windows XP and earlier's wordpad didn't do anything.
20090209 20:12:51< Unnheulu> but I havn't tried it
20090209 20:12:55< Unnheulu> (notepad)
20090209 20:13:40< Shadow_Master> e.g. sure, they allowed you to open files with Unix line endings, but I don't think they allowed you to save them without changing the format
20090209 20:14:03< Unnheulu> actually, word 07 (i think) allows you to save .odf
20090209 20:14:16< Unnheulu> it might be the next release
20090209 20:14:21< Unnheulu> I dno, just heard rumours )
20090209 20:14:22< zSensei> i'll try opening it in visual studio..talk about overkill
20090209 20:14:23< Unnheulu> :)
20090209 20:14:34< zSensei> yes it does Unnheulu
20090209 20:14:42< zSensei> comes with win7
20090209 20:14:46< Unnheulu> thoguht so
20090209 20:14:59< zSensei> i'm using odf for everything now
20090209 20:15:07< Unnheulu> 'although Ive only used word 7 in school, and they would get moody about anything other than doc
20090209 20:18:08< zSensei> why doesnt everyone just start using unicode LS/PS
20090209 20:18:40< zSensei> *nix is just as bad for holding things back!
20090209 20:18:56< Unnheulu> it isn't in microsoft's interest in keeping standards
20090209 20:19:15< Unnheulu> Because if they have a format OOo doesnt have, then people would use Word not OOo
20090209 20:19:25< Unnheulu> Especially since more people will use that format
20090209 20:19:31< Unnheulu> (because word is more used)
20090209 20:19:48< zSensei> MS has bellies of 1000s to feed
20090209 20:20:25< zSensei> OOo probably doesn't bring bread on the tables of its devs :P
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