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20090214 03:17:01< Glorfindel_> Invasion from the unknown -- Face your Fate
20090214 03:17:18< Glorfindel_> I tell you that was easy. I killed the commander on my first run through.
20090214 03:17:52< Glorfindel_> I think I'd need only slightly better play to do so twice.
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20090214 03:57:02< Shadow_Master> Glorfindel_: why you don't post your experiences in the forum thread anyway?
20090214 03:57:38< Shadow_Master> it's not easy for me to hunt your comments on IRC...
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20090214 04:19:21< Glorfindel_> I wasn't expecting you to.
20090214 04:19:32< Shadow_Master> Glorfindel_: but I _have_ to
20090214 04:19:40< Shadow_Master> if I want to improve my campaign I need user feedback :-/
20090214 04:23:09< Glorfindel_> and here I though I was replying to another hour-old post
20090214 04:23:35< Glorfindel_> oh, you weren't even on at the time!
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20090214 04:23:52< Shadow_Master> Glorfindel_: I read the logs
20090214 04:23:57< Glorfindel_> ah
20090214 04:23:57< Shadow_Master> http://wesnoth.debian.net/%23wesnoth-2009-02-14.log
20090214 04:24:10< Glorfindel_> cleaver!
20090214 04:24:49< Shadow_Master> cleaver? http://www.takeourword.com/images/cleaver.jpg
20090214 04:24:59 * Shadow_Master hides
20090214 04:25:01< Glorfindel_> can I not spell or something?
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20090214 04:28:43< Glorfindel_> you know, if I had control of the dwarves in that mission where they all attack you, I would have been able to kill all five
20090214 04:28:59< Shadow_Master> who are "they"?
20090214 04:29:29< Glorfindel_> the mission just before you leave Knalga, where 5 chaos leaders attack
20090214 04:29:36< Glorfindel_> can't remember the name right now
20090214 04:30:21< Shadow_Master> "Siege in New Knalga"¡
20090214 04:30:29< Shadow_Master> er, "Strike on New Knalga"?
20090214 04:30:31< Glorfindel_> that sounds right
20090214 04:31:04< Glorfindel_> as it was I killed the top 3 and only needed to wait for the rest of my army to get back from far afield before I could have marched on bottom two
20090214 04:31:28< Shadow_Master> the dwarves have been weakened, they shouldn't be able to defend themselves properly, not even defeat the enemy leaders.
20090214 04:31:37< Shadow_Master> that's why I didn't give you control over the dwarves.
20090214 04:31:52< Glorfindel_> ah
20090214 04:32:44< Shadow_Master> I should limit the player's gold amount in the future :-/
20090214 04:32:56< Glorfindel_> that wouldn't have made a difference
20090214 04:33:15< Glorfindel_> I didn't have a large enough army of leveled units to fight on two fronts at once
20090214 04:33:52< Shadow_Master> still I should limit the enemies' strength in later scenarios.
20090214 04:34:00< Shadow_Master> make the campaign harder as it goes on.
20090214 04:34:45< Glorfindel_> I lost absolutely 0 units in "Elves vs Goliath". Unfortunately, 99% of the XP was wasted
20090214 04:35:04< Shadow_Master> wasted? how?
20090214 04:35:05< Glorfindel_> I had 100 gold and had to recall my best units to win
20090214 04:35:12< Shadow_Master> ahhh.
20090214 04:35:31< Shadow_Master> good night
20090214 04:35:31< Glorfindel_> the golith itself basically was outmatched by 4 level 4 units when it showed up
20090214 04:35:34< Glorfindel_> good night
20090214 04:35:42< Shadow_Master> level 4 ???
20090214 04:35:45< Glorfindel_> sylphs
20090214 04:35:48< Shadow_Master> you attacked it with Sylphs :P
20090214 04:36:06< Shadow_Master> I hate Sylphs. People keep using that trick in this campaign.
20090214 04:36:29< Glorfindel_> they're the only thing powerful enough to deal with demons easily
20090214 04:36:40< Shadow_Master> but they almost murdered me when I disabled Sylphs for the campaign.
20090214 04:36:57< Glorfindel_> try not setting ai agression=1
20090214 04:37:17< Shadow_Master> or increasing the caution= , perhaps?
20090214 04:37:18< Glorfindel_> the AI stupidly wastes its ranged units pounding sylphs if you don't
20090214 04:37:26< Glorfindel_> caution doesn't help in this case
20090214 04:37:43< Glorfindel_> it sees 1% chance to kill one and goes for it. It loses 5 units.
20090214 04:38:18< Shadow_Master> another solution would be throwing a horde of level 5 foes at the player at some point... ;)
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20090214 04:38:33< Shadow_Master> all with chainsaws
20090214 04:38:34< Glorfindel_> yeah maybe, Or just 1 firedragon
20090214 04:39:11< Shadow_Master> I need to sleep or I'll end up introducing Space Marines in IftU now. :P bye
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20090214 14:01:47< pablo> s
20090214 14:02:43< pablo> is this the right place to ask about installing of the dev version of wesnoth?
20090214 14:02:54< pablo> oh, and, is anybody out there?
20090214 14:03:02< Soliton> maybe.
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20090214 14:03:29< pablo> may is anybody out there, or maybe is the right place to ask about the install of dev version?
20090214 14:04:08< Soliton> just ask.
20090214 14:04:24< pablo> running scons, seems that I have all prerequisites
20090214 14:04:26< pablo> but
20090214 14:04:32< pablo> after compiling for a while
20090214 14:04:37< pablo> I get messages such as
20090214 14:05:01< pablo> g++ d: no such file or directory
20090214 14:05:12< pablo> several times, with other letters
20090214 14:05:14< pablo> and
20090214 14:05:35< pablo> -E or -x required when input is for standard input
20090214 14:05:51< pablo> and finall, building terminated because of errors
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20090214 14:06:05< Soliton> what's the path to your sources?
20090214 14:07:10< pablo> usr / lib / wesnoth / wesnoth-1.5.9
20090214 14:08:46< Soliton> funny place. post the complete build log of scons to a pastebin.
20090214 14:10:51< pablo> what should be the path?
20090214 14:10:59< pablo> I might as well just try in a correct path
20090214 14:11:13< pablo> and avoid annoying people with a lot of reading, if it is just that the problem
20090214 14:12:00< Soliton> there is no right path but putting it some place that presumably your package manager manages is odd.
20090214 14:13:00< pablo> should I try to do all this in / home, then?
20090214 14:13:18< pablo> I will give it a try, just in case
20090214 14:14:07< Soliton> somewhere in your home would be a common place indeed.
20090214 14:14:39< Soliton> i doubt it's going to fix those weird errors though.
20090214 14:16:43< pablo> your right in your doubts
20090214 14:16:50< pablo> but this time was much faster
20090214 14:17:46< pablo> so, this pastebin thing you mentioned... (not much of a IRC user, sorry)
20090214 14:17:55< Dragonking> pablo: Any scons parameters you specified? 
20090214 14:18:03< pablo> nope
20090214 14:18:16< pablo> any needed?
20090214 14:18:36< Dragonking> should be fine without any
20090214 14:18:57< Soliton> paste to http://wesnoth.pastebin.com
20090214 14:19:19< pablo> any syntax?
20090214 14:20:22< pablo> sent
20090214 14:20:37< pablo> the only weird thing I see are the deprecated modules
20090214 14:22:03< Dragonking> g++ -o build/release/test - W l , - - a s - n e e d e d   seems to be a problem here..
20090214 14:22:14< Soliton> yep.
20090214 14:22:39< pablo> oh
20090214 14:23:16< pablo> any idea of what is needed?
20090214 14:24:20< Soliton> someone will help you in a bit.
20090214 14:25:03< pablo> thank you very much
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20090214 14:25:45< Dragonking> pablo: What scons version?
20090214 14:26:00< loonycyborg> And python version :)
20090214 14:26:43< Soliton> the paste suggests 2.6.
20090214 14:26:59< pablo> yep
20090214 14:27:06< loonycyborg> Ah.
20090214 14:27:10< pablo> eeer
20090214 14:27:15< pablo> wait
20090214 14:27:40< pablo> scons 1.0.1-1.26
20090214 14:28:22< loonycyborg> http://www.scons.org/CHANGES.txt
20090214 14:28:50< loonycyborg> "Fix env.Append() and env.Prepend()'s ability to add a string to list-like variables like $CCFLAGS under Python 2.6."
20090214 14:29:11< pablo> so, I need 1.2
20090214 14:29:20< pablo> this is what happens when you just trust Yast
20090214 14:30:06< Dragonking> Intersting, my scons v1.0.0.r3266 works just fine
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20090214 14:30:25< loonycyborg> You have python 2.6 too?
20090214 14:30:43< pablo> yes
20090214 14:31:03< loonycyborg> pablo: I was asking Dragonking
20090214 14:31:11< Dragonking> 2.5.2
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20090214 14:31:22< Dragonking> So prolly that's why :)
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20090214 14:34:36< Gnutoo> hello, I'm porting wesnoth to a new device and I have: loadscreen: Failed to load the logo: /usr/share/wesnoth/images/misc/logo.png
20090214 14:34:37< pablo> updated to scons 1.2, building.............
20090214 14:34:45< Gnutoo> and others similar messages
20090214 14:35:10< Gnutoo> but I have:
20090214 14:35:11< Gnutoo> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root        37762 Feb 14  2009 /usr/share/wesnoth/images/misc/logo.png
20090214 14:35:21< Gnutoo> and it can open the display...
20090214 14:35:24< loonycyborg> Gnutoo: Probably data path isn't set properly.
20090214 14:36:03< Gnutoo> ah yes libpng3...sorry
20090214 14:36:49< loonycyborg> Yep, broken libpng or lack of png support in SDL could explain it too..
20090214 14:37:04< Gnutoo> works now
20090214 14:37:10< Gnutoo> no missing libpng3 package
20090214 14:38:51< loonycyborg> Python 2.6 is hardmasked in portage untill all packages that break with it are fixed :)
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20090214 14:56:21< pablo> ok, is working, thank you very much
20090214 14:56:21< pablo> just one question, in the add-ons, what I find is only what it has been updated to 1.5? or all the stuff
20090214 14:56:21< pablo> because I remember there was a lot more stuff, long time ago, when 1.4.2 was released
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20090214 15:01:34< loonycyborg> pablo: 1.5 and 1.4 have separate campaign repositories.
20090214 15:01:34< Soliton> yes, there are different addon servers for 1.4 and 1.5 and thus different content on each.
20090214 15:02:19< loonycyborg> Each addon from 1.5 campaign server is guaranteed to work with some version of 1.5 :)
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20090214 15:17:08< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: "guaranteed" is a little strong
20090214 15:17:24< Ivanovic> some "should work with some version of 1.5" is more likely to be correct
20090214 15:17:25< Ivanovic> ;)
20090214 15:21:11< pablo> ok, now is when I start upgrading my old wml code to 1.5. I have the feeling updating all content will take a while. Thanks for your help!
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20090214 16:19:46< Gnutoo> hello, did someone try westnoh on 320x240? because there is room for a little improvement: the things like money and the turn are too far on the right (money is even on the +- of the tinygui)
20090214 16:20:04< Gnutoo> (I don't know C++ so I can't do it)
20090214 16:20:20< Gnutoo> if you need a photo I can take it
20090214 16:20:50< Gnutoo> oops mabe I should talk in wesnoth-dev
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20090214 22:12:36< joshudson> gak
20090214 22:12:51< joshudson> I cannot figure out where the bad reference to floor1 is coming from in my campaign
20090214 22:12:58< joshudson> a grep for it finds only editor backup files
20090214 22:14:27< joshudson> darn it. .wesnoth / .wesnoth1.5
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20090214 22:44:25< joshudson> how does the new message system actually work
20090214 22:44:45< joshudson> it seems like units owned by player 1 get this but my custom campaign doesn't have it
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