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20090219 05:22:17< Glorfindel_> I've reached the conclusion that elves are generally stupid storyline wise
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20090219 10:28:12< Ivanovic> moin
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20090219 16:36:45< Elvish_Pillager> oh my goodness, wesnoth's over 200 MB now?
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20090219 16:36:59< Rhonda> Elvish_Pillager: lies
20090219 16:37:06< Elvish_Pillager> ?
20090219 16:37:13< Rhonda> ?
20090219 16:37:16< Shadow_Master> wanna complain? fine: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=23796
20090219 16:37:48< Shadow_Master> Rhonda: uh, his distribution probably doesn't have such a thing like wesnoth-music
20090219 16:38:04 * Rhonda rather objects to the "now" :P
20090219 16:38:28< Elvish_Pillager> Wesnoth is over 200 MB. Wesnoth has always been over 200 MB and allied with Eurasia.
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20090219 16:41:04< Elvish_Pillager> heh heh image filenames are still sexist :)
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20090219 16:52:07< Ykstort> the crossfire scenario on invasion from the unknown is ridiculous :F
20090219 16:52:38< Shadow_Master> what isn't ridiculous in that campaign!?
20090219 16:52:57< Shadow_Master> I mean, I have played it many times, and I still don't understand why some people seem to like it.
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20090219 16:54:22< nital> I like it because of theme, I think.
20090219 16:54:34< nital> Just like UtBS.
20090219 16:54:44< Ykstort> i mean i cant handle 5 turns in that damn scenario
20090219 16:55:07< Ykstort> if i didnt start with just 100 gold.. :/
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20090219 18:41:44< oOarthurOo> Hi... I'm having a strange problem that I've narrowed down to my router. I lag bad playing multiplayer against other people. I have no connection issues whatsoever... just when I connect to the server and play against other players. What port is wesnoth multiplayer played on...because I'd like to simply forward it.
20090219 18:43:56< oOarthurOo> I don't like at my parents house, or at school. Just at home. And just when using wireless. Wired works fine.
20090219 18:44:32< oOarthurOo> lag* not like.
20090219 18:45:31< oOarthurOo> I'd chalk it up to wireless connection issues, but I don't ever drop the connection. I've seeded torrents and maintained a 50kb up rate while lagging. The torrents aren't the cause... I just tested it to see if connection issues were the problem.
20090219 18:45:54< lizard_r> try 15000
20090219 18:45:59< lizard_r> http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/FAQ#How_can_I_make_my_computer_into_a_dedicated_Wesnoth_server.3F
20090219 18:46:06< oOarthurOo> I've experienced this on several version of stable, and development, on windows and on linux. The problem has to be my very crappy router. A WBR2100, famous on the internets for being a total dud.
20090219 18:46:10< Soliton> saturating your upstream will definately cause lag.
20090219 18:46:44< Soliton> and port forwarding is for when you want to run a server yourself.
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20090219 18:48:03< lizard_r> btw, you can check that it is port 15000 by having a look at the ingame "connect to server"-serverlist ;-)
20090219 18:48:18< oOarthurOo> thx lizard_r
20090219 18:48:22< Soliton> you're getting redirected.
20090219 18:48:41< Soliton> but forward whatever you like it's not going to help any.
20090219 18:49:58< oOarthurOo> Soliton: I've got to try something. I've tried everything that makes sense. It's time to try the crazy.
20090219 18:51:24< Soliton> how about the crazy idea of trying it wired?
20090219 18:51:43< oOarthurOo> Soliton: I did that. It worked fine.
20090219 18:52:00< Soliton> ok, that's good to know.
20090219 18:52:40< Soliton> what kind of lag were you talking about again?
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20090219 18:53:06< Rrenys> I could have an awful memory, but am I right some of my posts on the forum have been deleted for no particular reason?
20090219 18:53:22< Rrenys> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=24128&start=30 this
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20090219 18:54:08< oOarthurOo> Soliton: Consistant... occurs whenever I play against someone online. Playing online online or against ai creates no problems. The lag is best measured in minutes. I rarely finish a game because everyone gets tired of waiting or me to move. I've come here for help before, but nothing I tried helped. Other than playing wirelessly elsewhere, or playing wired.
20090219 18:54:39< Soliton> but minutes is pretty crazy... hmm
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20090219 18:55:05< Soliton> websites load fine?
20090219 18:55:37< oOarthurOo> I played the game in debug mode trying to see server lags, and they all came back normal. I discovered an interesting cheat, but nothing that would help me play normally. Yup.. I can load website and ping server without problems.
20090219 18:56:15< Soliton> oh, what cheat?
20090219 18:56:36< oOarthurOo> You can see what everyone recruits, regardless of fog or shroud when starting the game from a terminal with debug on.
20090219 18:56:49< Soliton> ah, well yes.
20090219 18:56:49< oOarthurOo> Also where they recruit and where they move them to.
20090219 18:57:01< Soliton> you can also just load a savegame.
20090219 18:57:04< oOarthurOo> Interesting, but not what I was after.
20090219 18:57:21< Elvish_Pillager> yeah, but if you load a savegame, your slowness will be suspicious :P
20090219 18:57:24< Soliton> protecting against fog cheating is pretty impossible.
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20090219 18:57:51< Soliton> parsing log output isn't particularly quick either i'd imagine.
20090219 18:58:23< oOarthurOo> It's not. A very motivated cheater might use sed to grep the relevant info, but I'm neither motivated nor that talented. I'd settle for smooth play. 
20090219 18:58:34< Soliton> if you want put effort into it you can just hack the fog out.
20090219 18:58:59< Soliton> 2 lines patch or so.
20090219 18:59:07< Soliton> anyhow..
20090219 18:59:28< Elvish_Pillager> it _would_ be possible to design the game such that the information was only on the server, and it took commands and sent back results
20090219 18:59:33< Soliton> so what ping times do you get from wesnoth.org?
20090219 18:59:44< oOarthurOo> Well thanks for the port number anyway. I'm experiencing a placebo effect right now. Time will tell if it actually does anything. 
20090219 19:00:06< Soliton> 15000 is not the port number of the stable server.
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20090219 19:00:18 * Soliton shrugs.
20090219 19:00:54< Soliton> if positive thinking helps that's something i guess. :-)
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20090219 21:21:44< Shadow_Master> Ykstort: yeah, you need more gold.
20090219 21:22:27< Shadow_Master> or at least some veterans. I am sure I completed it with 100 gold and a few veterans, combined with some weird strategy.
20090219 21:22:53< Shadow_Master> e.g. let those idiots kill each other a little and then take advantage of the situation.
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20090219 21:34:39< Ykstort> Shadow_Master, shit man i just have a few level 3s
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20090219 21:35:20< Shadow_Master> it should be enough ;-)
20090219 21:43:09< Ykstort> cant hurt to have another try
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20090219 21:43:29< Ykstort> im playing on medium
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20090219 21:43:48 * Shadow_Master always plays on medium
20090219 21:43:49< Ykstort> i wish that hike through the desert hadnt sucked up all the money though
20090219 21:44:14< Ykstort> that was some bullshit
20090219 21:44:36< Ykstort> and i get some ridiculously small bonus money for killing a few outlaws
20090219 21:44:40< Ykstort> whats the point when it makes no difference
20090219 21:45:24< Ykstort> nah i just have 2 level 3s and a few level 2s
20090219 21:46:26< Ykstort> i recalled a prowler and a sharpshooter and i can recall 3 level 2s
20090219 21:46:46< Ykstort> marksman, several heroes, a ranger a druid and a protector
20090219 21:46:58< Ykstort> oh and a horseman with 11 moves
20090219 21:46:59< Ykstort> haha
20090219 21:47:09< Ykstort> hes got a special ring
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20090219 22:01:26< Ykstort> shit the demons are all on me
20090219 22:01:59< Shadow_Master> I have heard rumors that the author of that campaign enjoys players' suffering
20090219 22:02:32< Ykstort> no shit :/
20090219 22:03:05< Ykstort> this isnt a crossfire its two seperate battles
20090219 22:05:19< Ykstort> already lost 2 level 2s >.<
20090219 22:07:05< Ykstort> lost the stupid elf healer
20090219 22:07:19< Ykstort> thats turn 7 i lost on
20090219 22:07:24< Ykstort> ridiculous
20090219 22:07:38< Ykstort> whats a campaign i could play that i might be able to beat shadow_master?
20090219 22:08:07< zookeeper> an orcish incursion on easiest :P?
20090219 22:08:36< Turuk> Tale of Two Brothers?
20090219 22:08:37< Ykstort> i cant even beat that on easiest, get stuck on the troll level
20090219 22:08:45< Ykstort> Turuk, ive done that one
20090219 22:09:04< Shadow_Master> do you want to beat me for real?
20090219 22:09:12< Shadow_Master> play IftU to its end. :-P
20090219 22:09:23< Ykstort> nah screw IftU
20090219 22:09:27< Ykstort> whats a good campaign
20090219 22:09:31< Ykstort> that i might be able to beat
20090219 22:10:27< Soliton> played tsg?
20090219 22:10:44< Ykstort> yeah.. once
20090219 22:10:48< Ykstort> ic ant remember if i got all the way through or not
20090219 22:10:50< Ykstort> it was a while ago
20090219 22:10:58< Ykstort> dont need to be mainline campaigns though
20090219 22:10:59< zookeeper> what wesnoth version do you have anyway?
20090219 22:11:06< Ykstort> 1.4.4 haha
20090219 22:11:11< Ykstort> and one of the beta ones
20090219 22:11:18< zookeeper> right
20090219 22:11:41< Ykstort> i understand 1.4.4 is slightly outdated
20090219 22:11:47< zookeeper> yes
20090219 22:12:12< Shadow_Master> and IftU for 1.4.4 is way outdated <hides>
20090219 22:12:24< Ykstort> Shadow_Master, furreal?
20090219 22:12:42< Ykstort> hows 1.4.7?
20090219 22:12:50< Shadow_Master> er, I meant 1.4.x
20090219 22:13:00< Shadow_Master> 1.4.0 == 1.4.1 == ... == 1.4.7 for that matter.
20090219 22:13:02< Ykstort> yeah what about in general
20090219 22:13:17< Ykstort> ive also got 1.5.7
20090219 22:13:33< Ykstort> just for laughs
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20090219 22:14:30< Shadow_Master> it won't work on 1.5.7 anyway
20090219 22:14:42< Ykstort> k
20090219 22:14:47< Ykstort> then what will it work on LOL
20090219 22:15:02< Shadow_Master> 1.5.9 and 1.5.10 only.
20090219 22:15:28< Ykstort> ah i see
20090219 22:15:34< Ykstort> hey is the legend of wesmere any good
20090219 22:17:42< Ykstort> "surrender or die, tree shaggers" lol
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20090219 22:25:03< ixs> evening.
20090219 22:25:10< ixs> who's administrating your servers?
20090219 22:25:27< ixs> your processes on gonzo were kind of forkbombing...
20090219 22:25:39< ixs> had to kill -9 them.
20090219 22:25:41< ixs> sorry
20090219 22:26:03< Soliton> hi ixs.
20090219 22:26:11< ixs> hi Soliton 
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20090219 22:27:45< ixs> wesnoth  pts/0    rzdspc10.informa 22:26    2.00s  0.01s  0.01s -bash
20090219 22:27:51< ixs> seems like someone is looking after it... 
20090219 22:28:00< Soliton> yes, me. :-)
20090219 22:28:32< ixs> ahhh. :D
20090219 22:28:37< ixs> allrite.
20090219 22:28:57< ixs> I'll leave you to your work then. ;:D
20090219 22:29:57< Soliton> not sure what could have happened and i see nothing strange in the logs.
20090219 22:30:17< ixs> Soliton: the sh processes were restarting...
20090219 22:30:49< ixs> http://filepile.dicp.de/gonzo.dicp.de-forks-day.png
20090219 22:31:22< ixs> so I assume one of your wrappers went mad...
20090219 22:31:24< ixs> :D
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20090219 22:34:39< Soliton> i guess. but all servers were running fine. other than that there should only be an irssi instance tailing logs to irc which worked fine as well.
20090219 22:34:52< ixs> mhmmm.
20090219 22:34:57< Soliton> ixs: don't you have some ps output or so?
20090219 22:35:37< ixs> Soliton: scrolled out of the term but AFAICS it was just the "normal" startup script running several hundred timed.
20090219 22:35:41< ixs> times.
20090219 22:35:53< ixs> Soliton: just restart the server and we'll see what happens.
20090219 22:35:54< Soliton> run_server?
20090219 22:36:02< Soliton> yeah, ok.
20090219 22:37:49< ixs> mhm.
20090219 22:38:22< ixs> I'll just ping you, when I notice something...
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20090219 22:38:39< Soliton> sure, thanks.
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20090219 22:40:03< thespaceinvader> esr: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=23778&start=75 from there on in the thread =)
20090219 22:40:12< thespaceinvader> oop, wrong window
20090219 22:44:00< Soliton> ixs: btw, if you could install a newer boost (also iostreams) and scons at some point that'd be cool. i have them in $HOME atm but it'd make the update script easier. :-)
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20090219 22:47:03< ixs> Soliton: I was actually planning on p2ving the whole system into a domU on another system, reinstall the system with xen enabled on rhel5.3 and then you can have your own vm to muck around... :D
20090219 22:47:57< Soliton> ixs: ah, tuxfamily did a similar thing with our alternate server there. :-)
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