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20090226 00:51:59< Smar> poisoned range? ;)
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20090226 04:24:51< zooko> Any body know how ot get to scenario 2 of Conquerthe World?
20090226 04:25:48< zooko> It gives an error message when I attempt to load the game.
20090226 04:26:34< zooko> I read that you have to save and reload in between scenarios, so as soon as I finished scenario one I saved.
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20090226 04:29:30< Soliton> well, what is the error?
20090226 04:29:33< Hiko96786> Aloha
20090226 04:29:49< zooko> But when I load that save game, it says load failed, attempt to add unit to recall list for side 4, which doesn't have a recall list.,
20090226 04:30:21< zooko> I guess  I screwed up by saving *before* it had advan ced t the next scenario.
20090226 04:30:25< Soliton> did you make side 4 human?
20090226 04:30:38< zooko> No, that must have been the enemy.
20090226 04:30:57< Soliton> indeed which is why it shouldn't have a recall list.
20090226 04:31:29< zooko> Hm, now my brother is loading the game, which he saved *AfteR* the new scenario started.
20090226 04:31:34< Soliton> and you need to save after you advanced to the next scenario saving before doesn't help much.
20090226 04:31:40< zooko> He gets the same error -side four doesn't have a recall list.
20090226 04:31:59< Soliton> yes, the save is messed up because side 4 was human.
20090226 04:32:14< Soliton> you have to manually remove units of that side from the save.
20090226 04:32:24< zooko> In conquer the world there 3 players.
20090226 04:32:29< zooko> Which file do I edit?
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20090226 04:32:51< Soliton> the save file..
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20090226 04:33:24< zooko> Thanks!
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20090226 04:47:47< [Relic]> Hello :)
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20090226 05:05:54< zooko> Wow, this save file has the entire source code for the campaign in it, it seems.
20090226 05:06:20< zooko> I wonder if I should try installing a newer version of World Conquest.
20090226 05:06:23< Lord_Aether> just the scenario, I think
20090226 05:07:06< zooko> Oh.
20090226 05:07:26< Soliton> world conquest is also on 1.5 now with some nice improvements.
20090226 05:07:38< zooko> So I can't figure out why side 4 doesn't have a recall list, nor why it is being recalled.
20090226 05:07:49< Soliton> and with a next scenario loop in scenario 5.. ;-)
20090226 05:08:02< zooko> Soliton: Okay!  That sounds like a good approach -- upgrade to 1.5!  But I want to keep my heroic knight and also I want to learn more about how this works.
20090226 05:08:47< Soliton> zooko: the problem is that there are [units] with side=4 in your save file. remove them.
20090226 05:09:12< zooko> The string "side=4" doesn't appear.
20090226 05:09:28< Soliton> well, side="4" then.
20090226 05:09:28< zooko> nor the regex "side *= *4"
20090226 05:09:31< zooko> Ah.
20090226 05:09:51< zooko> Okay, these are enemy units that survived the first scenario.
20090226 05:10:01< zooko> Maybe nobody has seen this bug because they always kill the enemy leader last?  :-)
20090226 05:10:10< Soliton> probably. :-)
20090226 05:10:37< Soliton> but it doesn't happen if your the host and save reload yourself.
20090226 05:10:50< zooko> Ah, well I was the host and I screwed up the save reload.
20090226 05:10:55< zooko> My brother did the save reload, but he wasn't the host.
20090226 05:10:58< Soliton> unless you switched ai sides around while playing.
20090226 05:10:59< zooko> So should I expect other problems?
20090226 05:11:21< Soliton> i've heard when not the original host reloads there are problems, yes.
20090226 05:11:33< zooko> Hm...
20090226 05:11:53< zooko> I'll find out.  :_)
20090226 05:12:16< Soliton> i think what is important is that the guy controlling the ai sides saves and that side number 1 reloads.
20090226 05:12:30< zooko> Hmm.
20090226 05:12:51< zooko> Well, it is too late for that, because someone not-the-host already saved and that's the only save file we have.
20090226 05:12:59< zooko> Oh, that's not true.
20090226 05:13:07< zooko> I can restart from an earlier autosave.
20090226 05:14:15< Soliton> any save before advancing to the next scenario should be fine.
20090226 05:14:48< zooko> Dang,  same error.
20090226 05:15:25< Soliton> from what save file and in what scenario?
20090226 05:15:30< zooko> Hm, there are a bunch of units with side="4" which are *not * survivors of the previous scenario.
20090226 05:15:52< zooko> This is a save file that I made after advancing to the 2nd scenario.
20090226 05:16:19< Soliton> and you were the host/controlling the ai sides when advancing?
20090226 05:16:31< zooko> Oh wait, yes these are survivors of the first scenario.
20090226 05:16:32< zooko> Yes.
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20090226 05:17:04< Soliton> seems odd.
20090226 05:17:18< Soliton> but anyway removing those units from the save will fix it.
20090226 05:17:28< zooko> Hm.  Was I the host... ?
20090226 05:17:41< zooko> Maybe my brother created this game.  I don't remember for sure.
20090226 05:18:13< zooko> Although he reported the same error.
20090226 05:19:23< zooko> Okay, now here's one with side="4", but it seems like it is a unit that the enemy is *supposed* to start with in the second scenario.
20090226 05:19:32< zooko> Because it wasn't present in the first scenario.
20090226 05:19:43< zooko> So if I remove it, will I be denying the enemy his starting units?
20090226 05:20:01< Soliton> oh yeah, could be.
20090226 05:20:19< Soliton> all units int he recall list have negative coordinates.
20090226 05:20:25< Soliton> usually 999, i think.
20090226 05:20:29< zooko> Thanks.
20090226 05:20:37< Soliton> all of those need tobe removed.
20090226 05:21:07< Soliton> i mean -999 or whatever. important is that they're off map.
20090226 05:21:25< zooko> Yep, -999,-999
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20090226 05:25:21< zooko> Hm.
20090226 05:25:33< zooko> So, this list of units which are located at -999,-999 appears twice.
20090226 05:25:40< zooko> The same list of units.
20090226 05:25:52< zooko> Once in "player", save_id="ai4", name="ai4"
20090226 05:25:54< zooko> And once in 
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20090226 05:26:42< zooko> "side", "side=4"
20090226 05:26:58< zooko> Should I delete the entire "player" struct?
20090226 05:27:59< zooko> Yeah, this "player" struct is describing the enemy from the first scenario.
20090226 05:28:00< Soliton> just the units, i think.
20090226 05:28:17< Soliton> well, make a backup and try. ;-)
20090226 05:28:25< zooko> It says it can recruit Drake Fighter, etc., which the enemey in the first scenario could, but the enemy in this scenario can't.  :-)
20090226 05:28:30< zooko> Ok.  I'll try!
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20090226 05:33:37< zooko> Works!  Thanks!
20090226 05:34:19< zooko> As I mentioned to my brothers, the great thing about Wesnoth is that it is an open source game, which means it is very buggy and gets screwed up so that you can't continue playing it unless you learn how to hack it.
20090226 05:37:59< Turuk_> ......
20090226 05:38:10< Turuk_> That's quite the generalization
20090226 05:38:35< Soliton> i think there is an if missing. ;-)
20090226 05:38:45< zooko> Oops!  ;-)
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20090226 05:39:19< Turuk_> Pssh, covering for him now? :)
20090226 05:39:37< Turuk_> I'm just speaking up for the game itself, don't judge Wesnoth by bugs found in UMCs
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20090226 05:42:15< Turuk> zooko, are you registered on the forums?
20090226 05:42:23< zooko> No.
20090226 05:43:07< Turuk> Just curious
20090226 05:43:27< Turuk> I noticed zooko is not registered, but some users have different IRC names from their forum names.
20090226 05:43:48< Turuk> Don't mind me, I'm just another innocent ol' user.
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20090226 20:06:12< Cutter> hi,
20090226 20:06:36< Cutter> what's that spam link at the end of the page?
20090226 20:06:37< Cutter> http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/Download
20090226 20:06:53< Cutter> "Free Games"
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20090226 20:09:07< Rhonda> eeks. there since september ...
20090226 20:09:22< Rhonda> Commit by Runnergoat
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20090226 20:11:42< Rhonda> Cutter: Gone, thanks. :D
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20090226 22:41:20< [Relic]> Hello :)
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20090226 23:33:03< Cutter> [Relic]: hello
20090226 23:33:43< [Relic]> :)
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