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20090303 00:00:01< loonycyborg> Interesting.. Out-of-tree builds work with wesnoth's autotools buildsystem.
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20090303 00:01:16< loonycyborg> E.g. like that: mkdir build-autotools; cd build-autotools; ../configure
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20090303 00:03:28< Ivanovic> updated the frontpage, made the 1.5.12 release a little more obvious by moving it to the top and making the string bold
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20090303 00:04:37< Ivanovic> i think they are not 100% final, but a lot closer
20090303 00:04:48< Ivanovic> you got to ask zookeeper about details, he should know them
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20090303 00:14:13< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: and it really builds, installs and runs?
20090303 00:14:16< Ivanovic> this is suprising
20090303 00:15:02< loonycyborg> It definitely builds, but it haven't finished yet :)
20090303 00:16:09 * loonycyborg doesn't have a quad-core monster cpu, y'know
20090303 00:16:21< Ivanovic> hehe
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20090303 00:18:48< Ivanovic> okay, submitted the 1.5.12 release to happypenguin (normally they seem to only add the stable releases, but i explicitly mentioned that 1.6rc1 is already better than the latest stable versions)
20090303 00:21:19< fendrin> Ivanovic: I have an 64 bit installation now. Do you need a test on that?
20090303 00:21:41< Ivanovic> fendrin: we always needs tests of *everything*
20090303 00:22:52< fendrin> Ivanovic: There is still a ai anormaly in low. I don't know if that is already fixed.
20090303 00:23:40< Ivanovic> "ai anormaly" means what exactly?
20090303 00:23:58< Ivanovic> sorry, but i don't know all problems by heart, especially not, if they are not listed in the tracker
20090303 00:24:00< Ivanovic> *hint*
20090303 00:24:01< Ivanovic> ;)
20090303 00:25:20< fendrin> Ivanovic: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=339997#p339997
20090303 00:25:34< fendrin> I would fill the report if I could reproduce it.
20090303 00:26:54< Ivanovic> it might already have been fixed in 1.5.11, silene commited some ai related fixes
20090303 00:27:10< Ivanovic> with other words: has to be tested, if the problem still exists
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20090303 00:29:23< fendrin> Gut, dann möchte ich wissen ob wesnoth deterministisch ist, bekomme ich das gleiche spiel wenn ich gleich ziehe und das glück auch mitspielt?
20090303 00:29:34< fendrin> sorry, german
20090303 00:29:39< Ivanovic> ????
20090303 00:30:05< Ivanovic> of course wesnoth is *not* deterministic
20090303 00:30:36< loonycyborg> Ivanovic: Yes. Out-of-tree autotools build installs and runs.
20090303 00:30:45< fendrin> The ai uses some random elements? I am not talking about the combat outcome.
20090303 00:31:19< Ivanovic> even the ai behaviour is not 100% deterministic
20090303 00:31:31< Ivanovic> *often* it will act similar, but not always the same way
20090303 00:32:08< fendrin> okay, thanks.
20090303 00:32:23< loonycyborg> It even supports multiple srcdirs :)
20090303 00:36:08< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: is it only possible that this compile dir is inside the checkout folder, or can it even be "anywhere" on the drive?
20090303 00:36:19< Ivanovic> and more important: are files generated in the checkout folder or not?
20090303 00:36:38< Ivanovic> (if there are files generated in the checkout folder, it is not a "real" out of source build, but some hybrid version)
20090303 00:37:12< loonycyborg> I think directory location is irrelevant.
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20090303 00:39:51< loonycyborg> At least gcc's documentation suggests using directory not under source build.
20090303 00:40:20< loonycyborg> And it definitely keeps Makefiles etc in builddir.
20090303 00:40:41< Ivanovic> that is nice
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20090303 01:04:18< CIA-70> ivanovic * r33292 /trunk/ (CMakeLists.txt cmake/FindFriBiDi.cmake): (most likely) fix detecting fribidi as found though the wrong version is found when using cmake, now, as in autotools and scons build, only "version 1" is accepted
20090303 01:05:23< CIA-70> fendrin * r33293 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/_main.cfg: Readded santi as maintainer to the credits of LoW.
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20090303 01:07:28< fendrin> what is magic number elemination?
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20090303 01:11:39< Ivanovic> replace "all your base belong to us" with the macro for it
20090303 01:12:38< Sapient> check this OSS talk out: http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=-4216011961522818645
20090303 01:13:56< Ivanovic> fendrin: short comment about the credits of LoW: in general credit entries are meant to be alphabetically sorted
20090303 01:14:06< Ivanovic> (have a look at the german translation credits to get what i mean)
20090303 01:16:13< Ivanovic> time for me to head off to bed, n8
20090303 01:16:36< Soliton> Sapient: yeah, some good insights in there.
20090303 01:16:38< esr> Sapient: Oh, yeah, that one.
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20090303 01:41:23< CIA-70> shadowmaster * r33294 /trunk/data/core/units/humans/Outlaw_Rogue.cfg: Make the female Rogue use the same portrait as the female Thief.
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20090303 02:10:08< CIA-70> fendrin * r33295 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/maps/Lintanir.map: First overhaul of Kalenz's home.
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20090303 02:18:02< CIA-70> soliton * r33296 /trunk/src/multiplayer_ui.cpp: disable sound on every message; can maybe enabled again with a more subtle sound
20090303 02:19:20< Shadow_Master> :-(
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20090303 02:32:29< CIA-70> fendrin * r33297 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/maps/14_Human_Alliance.map: LoW 14: Map forest variation enhanced.
20090303 02:33:01< fendrin> Dawn, my commit messages suck.
20090303 02:34:56< Soliton> seems fine to me?
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20090303 02:42:51< Shadow_Master> :-(
20090303 02:43:00< fendrin> The main menu background map just looks plain ugly on my 16:10 screen.
20090303 02:43:28< Shadow_Master> fendrin: same here. Been that way since 0.9.6
20090303 02:43:46< Soliton> i like it.
20090303 02:43:56< fendrin> huh?
20090303 02:44:14< Shadow_Master> can anyone join me in my campaign for making the "sound on every message" feature come back in 1.7.x?
20090303 02:44:19< Shadow_Master> :-(
20090303 02:44:29< Turuk> Ditto with liking it, though I am sure it may look bad on some sizes
20090303 02:44:54< fendrin> There is nothing wrong with the picture, but it shouldn't be widenend.
20090303 02:46:14< Soliton> looks fine to me on my 16:10 screen.
20090303 02:46:18< Shadow_Master> get someone to add "proper" support for 16:10 and then perhaps Espreon _should_ do something about it. I tend to think that your wish falls under the category of "feature2
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20090303 02:46:26< Shadow_Master> "
20090303 02:47:25< Shadow_Master> (re your message to Espreon in #wesnoth-umc-dev)
20090303 02:49:18 * Espreon is just the guy who took the initiative to create the cartography brushes.
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20090303 02:59:43< Soliton> fendrin: "It's not possible to load the situation from the replay that is attached, replays are only some sort of a movie."  just save the game when the replay is at the right spot.
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20090303 03:16:17< fendrin> Soliton: that is new to me. Ivanovic told me that wouldn't be possible.
20090303 03:16:45< fendrin> Soliton: But I replayed the situation already. A bug report is filled and a proper savefile attached.
20090303 03:17:06< Soliton> well, now you know. :-)
20090303 03:17:22< fendrin> yes, thank you. This is good to know.
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20090303 03:35:07< [Relic]> Hello :)
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20090303 03:40:30< CIA-70> esr * r33298 /trunk/data/ (6 files in 6 dirs): tweak some mcro forms so the calls can be typechecked.
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20090303 05:36:52< CIA-70> cjhopman * r33299 /trunk/src/play_controller.cpp: -fix for bug #11031
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20090303 10:18:55< Ivanovic> moin
20090303 10:19:15< cjhopman> night
20090303 10:28:13< CIA-70> soliton * r33300 /trunk/po/ (6 files in 6 dirs): removed translation notes from strings
20090303 10:28:29< Soliton> oops.
20090303 10:28:35< CIA-70> soliton * r33301 /trunk/ (changelog src/multiplayer.cpp src/server/server.cpp): send lobby diffs seperately; fixes bug #13099: MP lobby player list becomes inaccurate over time
20090303 10:28:48< Soliton> Ivanovic: there seem to be quite a few translation notes in translated strings. «sed -i 's/\(msgstr "\).*^/\1/' po/wesnoth*/*.po» fixes it but i guess it'll be overwritten with the next update?
20090303 10:29:42< Ivanovic> most likely
20090303 10:30:50< Soliton> i think what i committed was just for british english though i guess esr only works on uptodate data.
20090303 10:31:08< Soliton> though if you think it helps i can also commit for everything.
20090303 10:31:15< Ivanovic> yes, you just commited en_GB
20090303 10:32:05< Ivanovic> commit it
20090303 10:32:24< Ivanovic> though you might still miss some when the msgstr line is just "" and the "real stuff" is in the line below
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20090303 10:32:52< Soliton> yeah indeed.
20090303 10:38:16< CIA-70> soliton * r33302 /branches/1.4/ (changelog src/server/server.cpp): send lobby diffs seperately; fixes bug #13099: MP lobby player list becomes inaccurate over time
20090303 10:42:25< CIA-70> soliton * r33303 /trunk/po/ (22 files in 11 dirs): removed translation notes from strings
20090303 10:42:25< Soliton> maybe send a mail to the i18n list to educate translators. :-)
20090303 10:42:26< Ivanovic> i will
20090303 10:42:26< Ivanovic> but first i got to wake up and have a shower
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20090303 11:14:15< CIA-70> loonycyborg * r33304 /trunk/SConstruct: Added hints about build/config.log and --config=force.
20090303 11:18:23< silene> is wml allowed to access arbitrary files on the user harddrive? i'm looking for some restrictions but i don't find them
20090303 11:22:01< Soliton> you can only include files under the data and userdata directory.
20090303 11:23:57< silene> are you sure? i'm looking for the code that ensures this property, and i don't find it
20090303 11:24:57< silene> for instance, it seems one can do: image="../../../../proc/the_variable_that_messes_your_kernel"
20090303 11:24:57< Soliton> src/serialization/preprocessor.cpp around line 968.
20090303 11:25:22< silene> Soliton: i'm not talking about the preprocessor, it isn't the only file reader of the game
20090303 11:25:23< Soliton> ah about those path i have no clue.
20090303 11:25:40< silene> and note that i know about the preprocessor, i wrote it :-)
20090303 11:26:10< Soliton> but when you did .. was allowed still. :-)
20090303 11:26:39< fendrin> hi
20090303 11:28:54< silene> that being said, i'm not sure what prevents a wml script on windows to access ..\..\..
20090303 11:30:10< Soliton> good question. it's annoying that \ works on windows.
20090303 11:30:37< Soliton> makes some content only work right for windows users.
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20090303 11:33:56< Soliton> zookeeper: maybe you can test whether it works to include files via ..\?
20090303 11:34:14< voris> Might be worth breaking it.
20090303 11:34:23< voris> backslashes that is.
20090303 11:34:46< voris> Since windows has long ago been able to deal with forward slashes just as well.
20090303 11:37:57< zookeeper> umm, how else can you "read files" from WML except with preprocessor includes? image paths?
20090303 11:38:48< zookeeper> fendrin, and no, the forests aren't finished. there's still some tiles missing, like the mixed castle variants and snowy winter trees.
20090303 11:39:00< Soliton> music paths as well i guess?
20090303 11:39:11< zookeeper> but of course that shouldn't stop you from putting them on maps, since all the basics are there already.
20090303 11:39:14< zookeeper> yeah
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20090303 11:40:18< zookeeper> maybe i'll test the ..\ thing a bit later.
20090303 11:41:08< fendrin> zookeeper: the new dirt tile is broken on the Lintanir.map of LoW 20/29.
20090303 11:41:38< silene> zookeeper: images, sounds, musics, and so on; there are some special files (especially on *nix systems where "everything is a file") that are better left not accessed
20090303 11:42:12< silene> anyway, this is kind of irrelevant if even the preprocessor can read arbitrary files
20090303 11:42:26< zookeeper> you mean something can get messed up if some random program just tries to open and read the file? :x
20090303 11:42:34< CIA-70> fendrin * r33305 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/maps/Lintanir.map: Added a dirt tile.
20090303 11:43:07< voris> image="../../../../../icons/my-random-picture.png" will, in fact, load my-random-picture.png from my home directory.
20090303 11:43:44< silene> zookeeper: why do you think rgrep and find never changes filesystem by default? that's for avoiding poking inside /proc ;-)
20090303 11:43:49< zookeeper> voris, it's not really a security risk though. at worst someone's content can show you some of your own pictures you don't like to see :p
20090303 11:43:54< Soliton> what if you try to load /dev/urandom? :-)
20090303 11:43:57< voris> Sure.
20090303 11:44:16< silene> or /dev, good point
20090303 11:45:04< silene> i guess i will rewrite the filesystem layer this afternoon, so that all file accesses go through a single point
20090303 11:45:26< Soliton> that'd be nice.
20090303 11:45:43< voris> So image="../../../../../../../dev/urandom"?
20090303 11:45:49 * voris gives it a shot. :)
20090303 11:47:03< zookeeper> fendrin, i don't see anything wrong with that
20090303 11:47:19< Soliton> zookeeper: i noticed a single dirt island looks weird.
20090303 11:47:34< voris> Nothing untoward happens.
20090303 11:47:38< voris> Just no image shows. :)
20090303 11:47:46< Soliton> aww.
20090303 11:48:00< Soliton> i guess you'd need to read it specially.
20090303 11:48:06< zookeeper> Soliton, a bit. i might make more transitions for it. anyways the dirt is still WIP, i'm hoping jet will clean up some of the transitions.
20090303 11:48:09< zookeeper> afk now ->
20090303 11:51:04< silene> voris: don't you have some message saying that SDL didn't recognize the file format?
20090303 11:51:15< voris> Nope.
20090303 11:51:30< fendrin> zookeeper: are you at 33305?
20090303 11:52:17< fendrin> zookeeper: I talked first and commited it after. Sorry.
20090303 11:52:35< voris> It simply looks the same as if I misspelled the name of an image file. Namely, there is no image there. But that's it. No error, just quiet fail.
20090303 11:56:43< silene> if you had mispelled, you would have had an error in your logs, namely "could not open image '...'"
20090303 11:59:33< voris> ahh, so nothing visible in the ui then.
20090303 11:59:38< voris> Let me look at the logs.
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20090303 12:06:47 * voris fails to find stderr.log
20090303 12:06:53< voris> Where do I find that?
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20090303 12:25:01< loonycyborg> voris: What platform?
20090303 12:25:14< voris> linux
20090303 12:25:33< loonycyborg> It should print everything to stderr.
20090303 12:31:21< voris> ok, so yeah, i get: 20090303 03:30:43 error display: could not open image '../../../../../../../dev/urandom'
20090303 12:33:11< silene> voris: unfortunately, the error message is the same if the file does not exist or if it contains crap; but i'm quite sure you were able to access the file
20090303 12:33:50< voris> Well I'm trying ../../../../../../../usr/local/bin/wesnoth now
20090303 12:34:03< voris> See what an executable will do. :)
20090303 12:34:23< voris> Maybe it'll keep launching wesnoth! ;)
20090303 12:35:08< voris> sadly no
20090303 12:35:17< voris> same error
20090303 12:35:53< voris> I'm sure I can access it though. If I stuck a valid image file there it would show up no problem.
20090303 12:39:10< loonycyborg> Now if an image can cause arbitrary code execution, we've got a security exploit here :P
20090303 12:39:29< voris> Not sure what the danger is though if it will only access images. If loading an image (or anything that can convince the image loader it can be loaded) can be cleverly hacked to be destructive then it would be easier and more reliable to deliver that payload locally within the addon's structure anyway.
20090303 12:39:31< voris> Yeah.
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20090303 16:21:54< Ivanovic> Soliton: informed translators about the problem you fixed and explicitly asked them to check for it
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20090303 17:11:07< silene> was there a change in weapon computations? the orcish assassins no longer use the ranged poisonous attack when played by the AI, even if the enemy has no ranged attack
20090303 17:12:27< loonycyborg> There were some AI changes. In fact, for some time AI was totally borked :)
20090303 17:13:39< silene> no, i mean recent changes, the assassins were still played correctly a few days ago
20090303 17:15:12< AI0867> not according to my git-log
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20090303 17:34:04< CIA-70> zookeeper * r33306 /trunk/data/campaigns/ (4 files in 2 dirs): A couple of minor, mostly aesthetic map tweaks.
20090303 17:34:11< Ivanovic> off for some hours, cu
20090303 17:34:46< CIA-70> zookeeper * r33307 /trunk/data/campaigns/Sceptre_of_Fire/maps/ (7_Outriding_the_Outriders.map Epilogue.map): Added deciduous and mixed forests to SoF maps (just two).
20090303 17:35:28< zookeeper> btw, i'm thinking of making almost all of the green isle deciduous
20090303 17:37:21< zookeeper> excluding the oldwood and maybe some places around the mountains of fallen lich point and southbay
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20090303 17:50:18< fendrin> zookeeper: yeah, make the green isle green!
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20090303 18:15:15< zookeeper> fendrin, most of the time it's fall or winter.. :p
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20090303 18:27:01< fendrin> zookeeper: commit r33305 added the misbehaving dirt terrain to the LoW Lintanir map, did you find the glitch?
20090303 18:27:11< zookeeper> fendrin, no
20090303 18:27:36< zookeeper> what exactly is wrong with it?
20090303 18:29:22< zookeeper> oh, and just for the record, i have no idea how these forests should interact with tropical forests, which are funnily enough sometimes found in places which are supposed to suffer from actual winter sometimes :P
20090303 18:29:34< fendrin> I don't know. Can't find the words. A very wrong mix of transitions is choosen.
20090303 18:31:33< fendrin> zookeeper: Updated to latest trunk, compiled and installed. The tiling is still broken.
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20090303 18:32:31 * zookeeper can't but shrug
20090303 18:36:17< fendrin> zookeeper: I have made a screenshot, is there a pastebin for images?
20090303 18:36:48< zookeeper> imagebin
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20090303 18:40:15< fendrin> http://imagebin.org/39965
20090303 18:40:58< fendrin> It looks very wrong to me.
20090303 18:42:04< zookeeper> aha
20090303 18:42:15< zookeeper> you should have said it's like _that_ :P
20090303 18:42:55< zookeeper> doesn't happen for me though as i said, but i'll take a closer look when i've eaten..
20090303 18:44:15< CIA-70> silene * r33308 /trunk/src/ (filesystem.cpp filesystem.hpp): Lower-cased type names.
20090303 18:44:20< CIA-70> silene * r33309 /trunk/src/serialization/ (preprocessor.cpp preprocessor.hpp): Cleaned header includes, loops, and constructors.
20090303 18:44:25< CIA-70> silene * r33310 /trunk/src/ (filesystem.cpp filesystem.hpp serialization/preprocessor.cpp): Moved WML file/dir locating to filesystem.cpp.
20090303 18:44:29< CIA-70> silene * r33311 /trunk/src/filesystem.hpp: Added default value for hardcoded WML paths.
20090303 18:44:36< CIA-70> silene * r33312 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Changed to proper WML lookup.
20090303 18:44:39< CIA-70> silene * r33313 /trunk/src/ (editor2/editor_map.cpp filesystem.cpp filesystem.hpp): Removed relative_from_game_path parameter, as it was mostly unused and broken under Windows anyway. Removed now unused non-const versions. Added a (temporary) check for enforcing that only absolute paths get there.
20090303 18:44:44< CIA-70> silene * r33314 /trunk/src/filesystem.cpp: Improved log messages.
20090303 18:44:47< CIA-70> silene * r33315 /trunk/src/filesystem.cpp: Removed relative path when searching binary paths.
20090303 18:44:51< CIA-70> silene * r33316 /trunk/src/filesystem.cpp: Prevented '..' in binary types and paths.
20090303 18:45:00< CIA-70> silene * r33317 /trunk/src/ (filesystem.cpp filesystem.hpp language.cpp): Removed unsafe code from language.cpp.
20090303 18:45:01< CIA-70> silene * r33318 /trunk/src/filesystem.cpp: Added checks in get_binary_*_location for backward traversal.
20090303 18:45:05< CIA-70> silene * r33319 /trunk/src/filesystem.cpp: Added temporary support for paths 'terrain/../' and 'dialogs/../'.
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20090303 18:56:13< zookeeper> fendrin, you must have something messed up locally, the old dirt transitions just aren't there anymore.
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20090303 19:00:15< fendrin> zookeeper: right, deleting the data dir and reinstalling did the trick. Thank you:-)
20090303 19:01:19< zookeeper> you scared me, i thought for a moment that i had forgot to commit the removal of some images and that it was like that in the release ;)
20090303 19:03:54 * loonycyborg hopes that silene's filesystem changes won't cause windows-specific bugs just before next stable release.
20090303 19:04:26 * zookeeper too
20090303 19:05:48< zookeeper> i wonder if the tropical forest should vanish from most mainline maps where it's used. i think it was used a lot simple for variety, when the only choice was pine or tropical.
20090303 19:06:56< fendrin> zookeeper: yes, that is mine impression as well.
20090303 19:06:56< silene> loonycyborg: if the windows version is not able to find its data directory and just assumes that this is the current directory at launch, then i have broken it
20090303 19:07:12< silene> (needless to say, it needs testing, lots of testing)
20090303 19:08:11 * zookeeper remembers that he promised to test some of that .. stuff
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20090303 19:25:12< CIA-70> fendrin * r33320 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/ (4 files in 2 dirs): LoW 1,3,7,5,19,21: Map updates and terrain macro overhaul (Added rules for new forest tiles).
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20090303 19:45:15< mordante> hi
20090303 19:46:39< Soliton> silene: is '\' still allowed in paths?
20090303 19:48:04< silene> Soliton: yes; the only thing now disallowed is ".." in the middle of filenames
20090303 19:50:00< Soliton> yeah, i just checked an no UMC uses filenames like that so no loss.
20090303 19:50:44< Soliton> silene: i'd be nice to disallow '\' though or make it work the same on all platforms.
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20090303 20:15:26< CIA-70> zookeeper * r33321 /trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Map updates from Doc Paterson.
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20090303 20:21:27< mordante> silene, maybe the changes to the formula AI caused your regression
20090303 20:24:40< Soliton> the formula ai just recruits.
20090303 20:25:52< mordante> :-( 
20090303 20:26:05< mordante> I thought more functions were already implemented
20090303 20:28:09< Soliton> oh, i thought you meant the default included formula.
20090303 20:28:39< Soliton> i'm sure there are functions to attack.
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20090303 20:40:00< CIA-70> fendrin * r33322 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/maps/ (02_Hostile_mountains.map 23_End_of_War.map North_Elves.map): LoW: More map changes.
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20090303 20:53:20< Ivanovic> re
20090303 20:55:19< mordante> hi Ivanovic 
20090303 20:58:01< CIA-70> esr * r33323 /trunk/data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/maps/forbidden_forest.map: Decorate the Forbidden Forest with deciduous tiles.
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20090303 21:20:03< Shadow_Master> hi
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20090303 21:24:07< grzywacz> hey Shadow_Master
20090303 21:24:13< mordante> hi Shadow_Master 
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20090303 21:45:45< mordante> silene, silene1 regarding r33319 do you know which dialogs use the ../ syntax?
20090303 21:46:14< Ivanovic> mordante: this stuff should better be in the "private" chan
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20090303 21:51:09< CIA-70> cjhopman * r33324 /trunk/src/play_controller.cpp: -revert 33299
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20090303 22:01:47< CIA-70> ivanovic * r33325 /trunk/ (6 files in 5 dirs): updated Polish translation
20090303 22:03:59< Turuk> unless anyone has any major super-important crucial complaints, I'm locking the yet-another luck complaint thread
20090303 22:12:48< CIA-70> ivanovic * r33326 /trunk/ (9 files in 6 dirs): updated Russian and Slovak translation
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20090303 22:22:36< cjhopman> woohoo!
20090303 22:22:52< esr> wohoo?
20090303 22:22:56< cjhopman> got accepted to grad school
20090303 22:23:02< esr> Cool.
20090303 22:23:08< esr> What degree?
20090303 22:23:12< cjhopman> cs
20090303 22:23:16< cjhopman> phd
20090303 22:23:40< esr> More than I have :-)
20090303 22:23:52< cjhopman> ill probably try to get a math masters, too
20090303 22:24:03< cjhopman> anything to stay in school longer
20090303 22:24:05< cjhopman> lol
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20090303 22:25:19< fabi> ai bug here: https://gna.org/bugs/?13105
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20090303 22:26:11< CIA-70> zookeeper * r33327 /trunk/data/campaigns/The_Rise_Of_Wesnoth/maps/ (18 files): Added decidous and mixed forests as well as some forested hills to TRoW maps.
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20090303 22:29:23< fabi> Soliton: you did something with the way the game handles pathnames?
20090303 22:30:46< silene> fabi: i did; is there something broken?
20090303 22:31:25< fabi> silene: yes, I can't load maps from the commandline anymore. The game tells me "Empty map file or file not found"
20090303 22:32:54< fabi> "error filesystem: Trying to open file with relative path: 'Elf_Lords.map'."
20090303 22:33:18< silene> the goal was to prevent wml files to access any file on the harddrive; which command-line do you type?
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20090303 22:34:02< fabi> "wesnoth_trunk -e -l Elf_Lords.map"
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20090303 22:39:15< silene> fabi: i see; i will try to get it working again; in the meantime, you can delete lines 626-635 from src/filesystem.cpp to disable this check
20090303 22:41:00< fabi> silene: thanks, but I don't want to fork my version. I will use the gui instead.
20090303 22:43:19< fabi> The gui truncates long filenames, would that be mordantes bug?
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20090303 22:44:02< Shadow_Master> I wonder, why is the Wesnoth CSS named "Glamdrol" as that northern location in the GC central area map?
20090303 22:44:39< Shadow_Master> ( ettin ? )
20090303 22:48:59< fabi> silene: the commandline is working with absolute pathnames.
20090303 22:50:24< silene> fabi: i know; i didn't think about suggesting it to you, sorry
20090303 22:54:35< Shadow_Master> fabi: the file chooser dialog truncates long filenames? Mordante has nothing to do with that code.
20090303 22:54:54< Shadow_Master> otherwise, specify what part of the GUI is truncating them.
20090303 22:55:34< fabi> Shadow_Master: You did understand me well, the chooser dialog truncates long filenames.
20090303 22:56:32< fabi> zookeeper: I replace the Kalian map in tRoW
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20090303 22:57:14< zookeeper> fabi, go ahead, but make sure to change all the coords in the scenario
20090303 22:57:23< zookeeper> although
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20090303 22:57:35< zookeeper> is that really the same place?
20090303 22:57:55< zookeeper> IIRC the TRoW story screens (and dialogue) indicate that the elvish council is actually in the gray woods, not wesmere
20090303 22:58:02< fabi> well, I know that santi permutated the original map from that one.
20090303 22:58:46< fabi> but if you are fine with the old map, I am as well. 
20090303 22:59:50< zookeeper> actually IMO the best thing to do would be to make it different than the kalian map
20090303 22:59:59< zookeeper> so it's clear it's not the same place
20090303 23:00:11< zookeeper> (i could do that just as well)
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20090303 23:00:39< fabi> the kalian map has changed during the version of low. It's not very similar anymore.
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20090303 23:01:04< zookeeper> right. well, i'm fine with leaving it as it is. i might change it a bit later on.
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20090303 23:01:16< fabi> okay fine :-)
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20090303 23:03:18< fabi> zookeeper: Still I would like to point to the history site in the wiki. The tRoW plays only 8 Years before LoW, and at this time the elvish council is in wesmere.
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20090303 23:07:40< fabi> "Messengers from Wesmere Forest come and ask Haldric to come before the Ka'lian. "
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20090303 23:15:25< zookeeper> fabi, well, maybe the TRoW council is a lesser council of some kind? not that i know how they'd have the authority to give lands to humans, though ;)
20090303 23:19:38< zookeeper> or maybe those are the main kalian guys after all, but they just happened to be...err, taking a vacation a bit further south or something like that, and didn't feel the need to all go back to wesmere to have their meetings :x
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20090303 23:24:00< fabi> zookeeper: convinced.
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20090303 23:24:49< zookeeper> oh, i can think up more ;)
20090303 23:25:47< CIA-70> fendrin * r33328 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/maps/04_Elvish_Treasury.map: LoW 4: Updated Map.
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20090303 23:44:07< CIA-70> silene * r33329 /trunk/src/ (filesystem.cpp filesystem.hpp): Added function normalize_path to convert filenames to an absolute path.
20090303 23:44:12< CIA-70> silene * r33330 /trunk/src/game.cpp: Fixed editor so that it can load maps passed as relative path on command line.
20090303 23:44:28< silene> fabi: it should be fixed now
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20090303 23:53:14< fabi> silene: seems to recompile everything.
20090303 23:55:53< silene> unfortunate but expected; perhaps one day build systems will be smart enough to notice that only two files needed to be recompiled
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20090303 23:58:11< fabi> silene: yes, works again.
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