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20090310 00:00:09< Ivanovic> esr: please have a look at these two wiki pages and give them some polishing since they are required for soc: http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/SummerOfCodeIdeas and http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/SoC_Information_for_Google
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20090310 00:02:48< Ivanovic> esr: one request by boucman regarding the announcement (very valid IMO since ilor has done a good job on it):
20090310 00:02:51< Ivanovic> mention that the new editor was GSoC project :P
20090310 00:03:22< ilor> maybe mention the same about formula ais?
20090310 00:03:31< Shadow_Master> cpu1_up
20090310 00:03:42< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: Looks like I can convert to bz2 after making the dmg, so I'll do that next time
20090310 00:04:05< Shadow_Master> ehm... er... moving on, Ivanovic I'll link to the wesnoth-umc-dev forum thread
20090310 00:04:06< Ivanovic> ilor: they are not working as well...
20090310 00:04:08< Ivanovic> ;)
20090310 00:04:16< Ivanovic> but yes, would be nice to mention this, too
20090310 00:04:31< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: I wanted to wait until I had the website up and running, but that won't happen before the release notes' string-freeze
20090310 00:04:50< Ivanovic> Shadow_Master: okay, do so
20090310 00:05:34< CIA-70> esr * r33500 /trunk/ (49 files in 2 dirs): Apply a pofix.
20090310 00:06:00< Ivanovic> esr: uhm, what was this pofix for?
20090310 00:06:05< Ivanovic> you changed the EI files?
20090310 00:06:14< Ivanovic> this was a BAD fix
20090310 00:06:30< esr> The spelling mistyake you asked me to fix.  You said "apply pofix", and I did.
20090310 00:06:34< Ivanovic> since the *MEANING* of the string was a significant change (different names, not just a typo)
20090310 00:06:44< Ivanovic> "But Gweddry and Owaec were to find" -> "But Gweddry and Dacyn were to find"
20090310 00:06:49< Ivanovic> this is *not* a typo!!!
20090310 00:06:56< Ivanovic> please rollback your last commit
20090310 00:07:36< esr> Don't ask me to fix stuff on SpellingMistakes unless you actually want it *fuxed*, next time.
20090310 00:07:49< esr> Dammit.
20090310 00:07:50< Shadow_Master> fuxed :-)
20090310 00:07:55< Ivanovic> i asked you to fix the AOI issue
20090310 00:07:58< zookeeper> oh yeah, now that the forests and stuff are actually in properly, i can start taking those screenshots
20090310 00:08:03< Ivanovic> i asked zookeeper to work on the EI fix
20090310 00:08:10< esr> Yeah, I know I can;t type.
20090310 00:08:22< zookeeper> i intended to do some screenies before already but postponed that because of the forests
20090310 00:08:24< Ivanovic> there was a *reason* for this split in two
20090310 00:09:32< stikonas> esr: I noticed one spelling mistake in 1.6 announcement template: portaits -> portraits.
20090310 00:10:03< Shadow_Master> nobody is running it through an automatic spell checker btw?
20090310 00:11:32< stikonas> Shadow_Master: OO.o shows this portrait mistake and is angry about some spellings such as cutscenes or epilogs but I think that these are allowed.
20090310 00:11:59< Shadow_Master> epilog and cutscene is current U.S. english afaik
20090310 00:12:10< Ivanovic> esr: okay, i will rollback your revision and run a normal pot-update afterwards
20090310 00:12:17< Ivanovic> that is: revision 33500
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20090310 00:13:27 * Shadow_Master has no idea what's going on, just came back home...
20090310 00:13:52< Shadow_Master> (besides the obvious, Ivanovic is angry and the release announcement is about to be frozen per the ML announcement)
20090310 00:14:26< Ivanovic> Shadow_Master: i am not angry
20090310 00:14:42< Ivanovic> and the announcement still has ~23h before it will be frozen
20090310 00:14:46< CIA-70> esr * r33501 /website/start/1.6/template.html: Typo fix and requested addition.
20090310 00:14:51< Shadow_Master> ah, okay, you see... :-)
20090310 00:14:59< CIA-70> ivanovic * r33502 /trunk/ (49 files in 2 dirs): 
20090310 00:14:59< CIA-70> revert 33500, this one was not meant for pofix
20090310 00:14:59< CIA-70> a pot-update (resulting with a fuzzy string in ei) will follow "really soon"
20090310 00:16:55< CIA-70> shadowmaster * r33503 /website/start/1.6/template.html: Adding a reference to the wesnoth-umc-dev project (forum thread link, the website isn't ready yet...).
20090310 00:18:19< Shadow_Master> esr: s/addons/add-ons/gi  ?
20090310 00:19:11< Shadow_Master> (no idea if "addons" is correct English or at least a very used non-hyphenated form of a composite word)
20090310 00:19:24< Shadow_Master> s/very/too/
20090310 00:19:38< CIA-70> alink * r33504 /trunk/src/ (game_display.cpp mouse_events.cpp): 
20090310 00:19:38< CIA-70> Fix a bug allowing to select the initial empty position of a unit during its
20090310 00:19:38< CIA-70> move (showing footsteps from there etc...). It was especially visible when
20090310 00:19:38< CIA-70> using "next unit" (but still other things to fix about that part)
20090310 00:20:10< alink> Nice, I found a new mouse feature that i didn't knew, when a unit is moving you can already select his destination, and when he arrives, he's reselected.
20090310 00:20:35 * alink always uses move+attack actions
20090310 00:20:41< ilor> gnight
20090310 00:20:46< alink> gn ilor
20090310 00:22:00< esr> Shadow_Master: Both forms are acceptable.
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20090310 00:22:30< Shadow_Master> esr: ah, k
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20090310 00:39:50< noy> hmm, I guess nobody has worked on this SOC stuff since last year...
20090310 00:40:05< Shadow_Master> um?
20090310 00:40:24< noy> I mean the google proposal
20090310 00:41:17< noy> I'd be happy to take this on if someone can help me with some of the stats for wesnoth; like number of downloads, notable achievements, ect. 
20090310 00:42:53< Turuk> Notable Achievement 1: Noy has effectively scared 452 users into their rightful place.
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20090310 00:43:23< noy> make that 453 after I make this post. 
20090310 00:43:35 * Turuk waits in anticipation.
20090310 00:44:02< Turuk> What sort of achievements are you looking for, mostly code-based I take it? (Given it's GSoC)
20090310 00:44:40< noy> Well there are a lot of stats cited here that I don't know if they are still relevant
20090310 00:45:10< noy> like number of DLs, game of the year, ect
20090310 00:50:16< noy> Turuk: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=344347#p344347
20090310 00:50:31< Turuk> Oooo nice.
20090310 00:50:53< Turuk> I like that last bit
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20090310 01:01:18< Shadow_Master> is that filthy pot-update done already? ,-)
20090310 01:01:56< CIA-70> ivanovic * r33505 /trunk/po/ (210 files in 5 dirs): 
20090310 01:01:56< CIA-70> pot-update (mainly reference update, one changed string (change of name!))
20090310 01:01:56< CIA-70> regenerated doc files (no filechanges here...)
20090310 01:02:04< CIA-70> alink * r33506 /trunk/src/mouse_events.cpp: 
20090310 01:02:04< CIA-70> Fix a bug about using "next unit" during a move, which sometimes selected
20090310 01:02:04< CIA-70> the empty initial position of the moving unit
20090310 01:02:11< Shadow_Master> I got 33505 before CIA. I win.
20090310 01:04:34< CIA-70> shadowmaster * r33507 /trunk/po/wesnoth-ei/es.po: Spanish translation update.
20090310 01:05:09< Shadow_Master> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=344347#p344347
20090310 01:05:33< CIA-70> ai0867 * r33508 /trunk/data/scenario-test.cfg: Update "Crash test" testcase to actually work.
20090310 01:06:01< Shadow_Master> a crash test?
20090310 01:08:22< Shadow_Master> alink: src/mouse_events.cpp:700: error: passing ‘const unit’ as ‘this’ argument of ‘bool unit::get_hidden()’ discards qualifiers
20090310 01:08:41< alink> ah yes thanks i forget to commit a file
20090310 01:08:51< alink> fixing it right now
20090310 01:09:06< Shadow_Master> oh no, are you committing another full-rebuild trigger?  ;-(
20090310 01:09:33< alink> don't blame me, blame the one who doesn't use "const" when possible
20090310 01:10:21< Shadow_Master> I have my hands clean.
20090310 01:10:33< CIA-70> alink * r33509 /trunk/src/unit.hpp: oops forget to commit a file, thanks shadow_master
20090310 01:10:59< noy> Shadow_Master: why did you link my thread?
20090310 01:11:06< alink> (I forget about it because that was not related to what i was fixing )
20090310 01:11:06< noy> or my post?
20090310 01:11:20< Shadow_Master> noy: uhm, good question. Mispaste.
20090310 01:11:37< Shadow_Master> I must've been intending to paste it on my browser's address bar..
20090310 01:11:43< noy> ahh
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20090310 01:18:38< Shadow_Master> I'm handling bug https://gna.org/bugs/?13151 , but I see some weird stuff in the WML file...
20090310 01:18:48< Shadow_Master> image="images/portraits/dwarves/guard.png"  # <- note the images/
20090310 01:19:18< Shadow_Master> either I or ESR caused it.
20090310 01:19:59< Shadow_Master> um... interesting, it was broken before our changes.
20090310 01:22:03< Shadow_Master> ... where did Bob get the idea that there was an Elvish Marshal portrait?
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20090310 01:24:57< CIA-70> shadowmaster * r33510 /trunk/data/multiplayer/scenarios/ANL_utils/ANL_leader_options.cfg: 
20090310 01:24:57< CIA-70> Fix some image paths that had a spurious "images/" component at the
20090310 01:24:57< CIA-70> beginning (bug #13151).
20090310 01:24:57< CIA-70> Per Bob's suggestion, changed the dwarf portrait to be of the Lord
20090310 01:24:57< CIA-70> rather than the Guard. There's no such a thing like an Elvish Marshal
20090310 01:24:58< CIA-70> portrait at the moment, so it'll stay with the high-lord portrait.
20090310 01:27:23< Shadow_Master> esr: I'm surprised that wmlscope didn't catch bug #13151
20090310 01:29:56< Shadow_Master> fendrin: what are the UtBS bugs again?
20090310 01:30:26< Shadow_Master> ... oh, you mean "dev thread".
20090310 01:31:11< Shadow_Master> what Jozrael mentions in the last post is probably just a render engine bug. Not in my department.
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20090310 01:31:49< Shadow_Master> could you however ask them if they are reporting 1.4 or 1.5 bugs?!
20090310 01:32:04< Shadow_Master> I'm no mind-reader yet.
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20090310 01:43:33< cjhopman> in 
20090310 01:44:17< Shadow_Master> ilor: wmlscope is complaining about some image references.
20090310 01:44:37< Shadow_Master> http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/d56f9fd9d
20090310 01:45:19< fendrin> Shadow_Master: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=343627#p343627
20090310 01:46:52< Shadow_Master> wesbot: topic
20090310 01:47:14< Shadow_Master> I strike down one bug and two new ones appear >:)
20090310 01:47:43< Shadow_Master> fendrin: how do I know what version Jozrael is playing?
20090310 01:48:27< Shadow_Master> for all I know, he could be talking about 1.5.7. Heck, it may even be 1.4.7.
20090310 01:48:44< Sapient> that reminds me of the MP Campaign where the "bugs" were the enemy (Mudglobs)
20090310 01:48:58< Shadow_Master> ah, _duh_. It is in the http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=337293#p337293 title.
20090310 01:49:29< Shadow_Master> but I still can't tell what version he's using since then. I can assume he's using the same release as Kelben... and... not good.
20090310 01:50:17< fendrin> Shadow_Master: So you consider the amla in utbs ready for 1.6?
20090310 01:52:20< Shadow_Master> no.
20090310 01:52:42< Shadow_Master> I'm thinking that bug #12983 may be a blocker for 1.6
20090310 01:52:57< Shadow_Master> silene's comment there isn't tranquilizing though.
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20090310 02:27:30< Shadow_Master> um, how do I know when I want to use Debian sid ?  :-P
20090310 02:29:29< Dragonking> night everyone
20090310 02:29:35< Shadow_Master> night DK
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20090310 04:02:02< CIA-70> alink * r33511 /trunk/src/mouse_events.cpp: 
20090310 04:02:02< CIA-70> Use current mouse position to highlight hex, and stop highlithing + pathfinding
20090310 04:02:02< CIA-70> all the hexes where the mouse passed. This could potentialy make mouse more
20090310 04:02:02< CIA-70> responsive on slower systems and will help to fix a drag&drop bug.
20090310 04:02:02< CIA-70> Note that the editor is not affected by this change (we want to draw all hexes)
20090310 04:03:17< alink> ^ this little one-liner could use some testing on slower boxes. It's safe, but just to check that the feeling is good.
20090310 04:04:25< alink> (I feel the difference with multi-turn paths and fast mouse motions on my -O0 build)
20090310 04:08:04< Sapient> anything that speeds it up is welcome
20090310 04:09:49< alink> yes I suppose, it's just that the same "optimization" was not welcome on the editor, so I prefer checking if others like it in game (I think so)
20090310 04:11:23< alink> plus that kills a mysterious SDL bug, and i don't like mysterious bug ;)
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20090310 04:15:27< CIA-70> alink * r33512 /trunk/src/mouse_handler_base.cpp: Fix a bug about dragging started during another move done by drag&drop
20090310 04:17:00< alink> Shadow_Master: btw, seems that -O0 build twice faster here (~10 min instead of ~20)
20090310 04:17:13< Sapient> too late for test. sleep. zzz. cya
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20090310 04:17:30< alink> Sapient: ciao  Sapient
20090310 04:18:14< alink> gcc 4.3.2 Athlon XP 2600+
20090310 04:19:21< alink> but with a good old keyboard, so i can type "make" very fast <:o)
20090310 04:26:32< Blueblaze> ?find jet
20090310 04:26:33< Blueblaze> oops
20090310 04:26:46< Blueblaze> Dunno what game that's from :z
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20090310 04:30:33< crimson_penguin> can anyone tell me where the title screen logo is?
20090310 04:31:20< alink> images/misc I think
20090310 04:31:31< alink> ar root of wesnoth
20090310 04:31:37< alink> not in data/core
20090310 04:32:04< alink> s/ar/at
20090310 04:32:27< crimson_penguin> oh, there it is - thanks!
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20090310 04:48:57< alink> g'night
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20090310 08:42:04< CIA-70> alink * r33513 /trunk/src/ (mouse_handler_base.cpp mouse_handler_base.hpp): 
20090310 08:42:04< CIA-70> Fix a problem when trying to attack with a double-click(?),
20090310 08:42:04< CIA-70> the following clicks were doubled and so the attack dialog (when canceled)
20090310 08:43:21< alink> ilor: i continue to kill false click caused by the drag&drop code but I am still not sure if the editor has a secret drag&drop feature that i don't know
20090310 08:44:26< alink> last commit assumed that if you do a right-click during a left-drag&drop (and vice-versa), it cancels the drag&drop 
20090310 08:46:42< alink> that works like that, with icons on my desktop
20090310 08:47:38< alink> and if see that it introduce a featue :) , it allows to cancel a drag&drop of unit
20090310 08:48:42< alink> well, it restores a 1.4 feature lost during 1.5
20090310 08:53:37< alink> about the 1.6 Release Notes, IMO not even needed to mention the lost of the gamma setting. I didn't see any reaction in forum after its removal, and I doubt that many people used it (esp. if it was not working well)
20090310 08:54:04< alink> gamma setting are not rare in FPS, but for strategy games...
20090310 08:55:13< alink> also, maybe it's just my bad english, but the "the SDL implementation behind the feature made it too dangerous" make it look like it could burn your screen (or eyes) :-p
20090310 08:57:13< alink> "Python AIs has been removed because the feature opened a serious security hole" maybe add "potential" or similar, it's not like there was really exploits in the wild
20090310 08:59:55< alink> "improved pathfinding algorithm" is not really for the AI section, it's more for the (mouse) interface (make your units use terrain defence, less blocking during multi-turn moves and less big changing zig-zag )
20090310 09:00:48< alink> mmh the AI may uses the defense a little for some test, but i doubt it, it mainly use the other pathfinding function
20090310 09:04:00< alink> There is also small other new features for the MP lobby-create game; rearranging side by drag&drop and all stuff is TC there now (all red in 1.4)
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20090310 09:05:44< alink> "For Content Developers" there is also new useful debug commands
20090310 09:06:11< alink> "toggle overlay displays of terrain codes and map coordinates while editing" works also in-game with a command
20090310 09:07:29< alink> the new :cl is useful for campaign
20090310 09:08:13< alink> alias, so you can define "sc" for "show_coordinates"
20090310 09:09:02< alink> hey, there is also various new command that i don't know :)
20090310 09:09:27< alink> "help" helps
20090310 09:10:57< alink> so, in short, new debug commands
20090310 09:13:07< alink> "portraits in more realistic styles" and they are not in little box anymore (that need a nice screenshot)
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20090310 09:17:36< alink> and don't forget, we fixed a lot of old bugs and added a lot of new ones :)
20090310 09:19:02< CIA-70> alink * r33514 /trunk/src/ (mouse_handler_base.cpp mouse_handler_base.hpp): no need of reference for bool
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20090310 09:37:22< CIA-70> silene * r33515 /trunk/src/ (statistics.cpp statistics.hpp statistics_dialog.cpp): Removed the old system for stats.
20090310 09:37:26< CIA-70> silene * r33516 /trunk/src/statistics.cpp: Reduced truncation error while summing statistics.
20090310 09:38:50< Ivanovic> moin
20090310 09:42:33< CIA-70> fendrin * r33517 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/maps/ (4 files): LoW: 9,11,14,23: Map updates.
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20090310 10:25:35< zookeeper> esr, the journey markers are messed up at least in EI. just :n through the scenarios and check them, i'm not sure at which scenario they first break, but it's somewhere before captured and evacuation.
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20090310 11:05:56< CIA-70> ivanovic * r33518 /trunk/ (8 files in 7 dirs): updated Russian translation
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20090310 11:27:24< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?13155
20090310 11:29:46< loonycyborg> Ivanovic: I was able to install it both on windows and under wine, so most likely the causeis what the installer says(damaged download)
20090310 11:30:28< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: then post this comment and mark "works for me"
20090310 11:31:19< Soliton> Ivanovic: https://gna.org/patch/?1130
20090310 11:31:30< Ivanovic> Soliton: i already saw it and forwarded the report to chrber
20090310 11:59:14< Ivanovic> off to uni, cu
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20090310 12:17:39< Shadow_Master> hi
20090310 12:53:56< CIA-70> shadowmaster * r33519 /trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs): 
20090310 12:53:56< CIA-70> New portrait for the female human Assassin, by Kitty.
20090310 12:53:56< CIA-70> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=344428#p344428
20090310 12:57:10< Shadow_Master> esr: pling.
20090310 12:59:42< esr> Shadow_Master: What
20090310 12:59:49< esr> is up?
20090310 13:00:01< Shadow_Master> esr: is the name "Verlissh" derived from anything?
20090310 13:00:11< esr> No.
20090310 13:00:51< Shadow_Master> k
20090310 13:19:35< CIA-70> soliton * r33520 /trunk/src/server/server.cpp: logging tweak
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20090310 13:47:12< CIA-70> ai0867 * r33521 /trunk/src/unit.hpp: Remove a spurious semicolon.
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20090310 14:07:38< CIA-70> silene * r33522 /trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Added proper detection of round and sendfile.
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20090310 14:55:31< Soliton> Ivanovic: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=344368#p344368
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20090310 15:25:22< zookeeper> <zookeeper> esr, the journey markers are messed up at least in EI. just :n through the scenarios and check them, i'm not sure at which scenario they first break, but it's somewhere before captured and evacuation.
20090310 15:27:56< esr> I'll investigate.
20090310 15:31:56< CIA-70> loonycyborg * r33523 /trunk/SConstruct: Added config checks for round() and sendfile() to scons.
20090310 15:32:40 * Soliton was about to ask.
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20090310 15:52:17< shadowmaster> awww, the opengl branch was "deleted" :-P
20090310 15:56:04< CIA-70> silene * r33524 /trunk/src/ (7 files in 3 dirs): Fixed header dependencies.
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20090310 16:05:55< Soliton> loonycyborg: do i need to specify something to define HAVE_SENDFILE with scons?
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20090310 16:12:39< loonycyborg> Soliton: No.
20090310 16:13:47< loonycyborg> It functions exactly like autotools check, i.e.writes #define HAVE_SENDFILE to config.h
20090310 16:14:00< Soliton> ok, cool.
20090310 16:22:22< shadowmaster> Ivanovic: remind me whether wiki account names are case sensitive? I recall you wanted to kill Syntax_Error for a case (in?)sensitiveness problem when we moved from <server A> to <server B> <A, B unknown>
20090310 16:26:55< Soliton> a test would be to try to log in with a different case..
20090310 16:27:42< crimson_penguin> anyone else here with Mac OS X?
20090310 16:27:59 * shadowmaster is too lazy to test.
20090310 16:33:39< loonycyborg> crimson_penguin: There are some people here with Macs, but not among developers :P
20090310 16:34:33< Soliton> wiki accounts are case insensitive.
20090310 16:34:37< crimson_penguin> loonycyborg: Well, I'm just wondering if other people are having this issue; https://gna.org/bugs/?13159
20090310 16:35:57< Soliton> crimson_penguin: did you see the forum post about it? http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=24437
20090310 16:36:09< crimson_penguin> juust saw it :P
20090310 16:36:11 * crimson_penguin goes to read
20090310 16:36:45< shadowmaster> ugh. mibbit likes to replace smiley text sequences with images. ugly.
20090310 16:38:07< crimson_penguin> Soliton: Well, it's weird, but until anyone else reports the same problem, I'm gonna have to conclude it's a problem on their end
20090310 16:38:40< Soliton> crimson_penguin: ok... i have no idea about anything talked about there. :-P
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20090310 16:43:48< crimson_penguin> Soliton: Well, basically there's an alias (aka shortcut/symlink) to the Applications folder on the disk image, and this person is reporting that it doesn't work - but it works for me, and everyone else I know of so far
20090310 16:45:13< Soliton> and the Applications folder comes with wesnoth or is on the target system (and might not be there)?
20090310 16:46:35< crimson_penguin> it's on the target system, and it's a standard folder on OS X
20090310 16:46:45< crimson_penguin> it should always be /Applications
20090310 16:47:05< silene> dumb question? why is there an alias in there? is it common practice on macosx?
20090310 16:47:23< crimson_penguin> by default though, it's only writable by the Admin and System groups, so that could be an issue... but it also says it can't find it
20090310 16:47:51< crimson_penguin> silene: it is common... I admit, it's kiinda weird, but it's convenient with the dmg system
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20090310 16:49:34< crimson_penguin> silene: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/download/file.php?id=29042 <- that's what you see when you mount the disk image (I'm working on a nicer background, but that shows the process)
20090310 16:49:51< crimson_penguin> so you mount the disk image, that comes up, and you drag the one icon onto the other
20090310 16:51:20< Soliton> so the wesnoth dmg comes with a symlink to a local dir as convenience to install it?
20090310 16:51:21< silene> just to be sure: are the circles and arrow parts of the window the user sees?
20090310 16:51:36< crimson_penguin> yes, and yes
20090310 16:51:53< crimson_penguin> silene: it's possible in OS X to assign a background to a window
20090310 16:52:16< Soliton> ok, yeah sounds odd that it wouldn't work then unless the user messed with that Applications dir.
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20090310 16:52:46< Soliton> oh, clever with the background image. :-)
20090310 16:53:06< silene> ah, that explains it; it was weird thinking of it as an overlay on the filesystem window, but if it is a background instead, it makes sense
20090310 16:53:22< crimson_penguin> yeah
20090310 16:54:10< crimson_penguin> this sort of thing has become common; but what's weird, is ancestral says he likes these things, which implies other ones have worked for him
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20090310 16:56:43< crimson_penguin> some of them are really fancy, like this: http://64.201.60.222/web/Adium_dmg.jpg
20090310 16:57:35< silene> nice
20090310 16:58:18< crimson_penguin> (note that the background on "Adium.app" not extending the whole distance is because normally the ".app" is hidden, but I have it unhidden on my computer)
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20090310 16:59:03< crimson_penguin> it is weird though; those colored labels behind the file names are part of the background... but OS X lets you have labels like that; the .app thing wouldn't have been a problem if they used actual labels
20090310 16:59:21< silene> i guess it would also break if you had a non-standard font size? (or perhaps not, i seem to remember macosx has some clever scaling mechanisms)
20090310 17:00:08< crimson_penguin> the font is always the same
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20090310 17:00:42< crimson_penguin> actually, you can set the font size of a folder - which means you can set it on the dmg, so it's always the same for the user
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20090310 17:03:59< crimson_penguin> hi Turuk 
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20090310 17:51:13< Shadow_Master> cpu1_down
20090310 17:51:25< Shadow_Master> oops.
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20090310 18:20:03< Turuk> crimson_penguin, hello, did you need me for something?
20090310 18:20:09< Turuk> Crushing more Mac users?
20090310 18:20:18< crimson_penguin> Haha, no, just saying hi
20090310 18:23:17< Turuk> Aww ok :(
20090310 18:23:27< Turuk> :P
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20090310 18:42:41< Ivanovic> hi
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20090310 18:50:42< crimson_penguin> hi Ivanovic 
20090310 18:50:51< crimson_penguin> how do I grep a directory recursively?
20090310 18:50:58< Ivanovic> grep -r
20090310 18:51:03< Soliton> or rgrep
20090310 18:51:19< crimson_penguin> thanks
20090310 18:56:00 * crimson_penguin is trying to compile SDL 1.3 and getting link errors
20090310 18:58:52< Ivanovic> :)
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20090310 19:00:53< crimson_penguin> it's saying I don't have SDL_log and SDL_pow, which means HAVE_LOG and HAVE_POW aren't defined for some reason (if they were, SDL_stdinc.h would define SDL_log as log, and the same for pow)
20090310 19:03:25< CIA-70> soliton * r33525 /trunk/data/tools/wesnoth_addon_manager: disregard the type option when omitted
20090310 19:04:17< silene> zookeeper: do you have a testfile for the bug you just opened?
20090310 19:04:49< zookeeper> silene, no. but you can just paste that code into any [unit_type] [attack] [specials]
20090310 19:05:00< zookeeper> then test with that unit
20090310 19:05:40< zookeeper> of course i can make you such a file if you really want to, but..
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20090310 19:25:02< silene> zookeeper: looking at the code, it is done on purpose: all the specials are forcefully activated in the preview pane
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20090310 19:29:51< silene> zookeeper: and looking at the history, it seems like it has always been like that; was there a time it worked?
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20090310 19:33:22< Soliton> silene: specials with an ampty inactive name?
20090310 19:33:38< Soliton> empty*
20090310 19:34:48< Soliton> silene: if so yes that used to work.
20090310 19:35:03< zookeeper> silene, yes, for example in 1.5.0
20090310 19:35:07< zookeeper> (i tested)
20090310 19:35:16< zookeeper> i'm not sure for how long it worked, though.
20090310 19:40:21< silene> that's weird, because 1.5.0:dialogs.cpp already contains the line "std::string special = at_it->weapon_specials(true);" (the "true" parameters forcefully activate specials)
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20090310 19:47:34< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin: you saw that i assigned the report about the "broken binary" (also posted in the forums) to you?
20090310 19:47:48< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: yeah, I've posted on both
20090310 19:47:52< Ivanovic> that is: if it really works for you as well as Turuk it sounds like a case of "works for me" and should be marked this way
20090310 19:48:19< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: welll, it seems like it is an actual problem, it just doesn't affect most people
20090310 19:48:22< crimson_penguin> it's rather odd
20090310 19:48:24< Ivanovic> ah, okay
20090310 19:48:35< Ivanovic> something maybe related to internationalization?
20090310 19:48:46< Ivanovic> because in the path handling apple has done something *strange* on OSX
20090310 19:48:57< crimson_penguin> I did downgrade the severity though, since even if the alias doesn't work at all, you can still move the .app to your /Applications folder as before
20090310 19:49:13< crimson_penguin> hmm, doesn't seem likely, but I guess it's possible
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20090310 20:02:45< mordante> hi
20090310 20:03:27< Ivanovic> hi mordante
20090310 20:03:43< mordante> hi Ivanovic 
20090310 20:04:00< Ivanovic> hmm, there was something i wanted to tell you...
20090310 20:04:05< Ivanovic> let me think about what it was...
20090310 20:05:12< Ivanovic> ah, right: http://www.imageloop.com/de/slideshow/47f74f59-d336-11b3-9bc8-12313b0075d1/index.htm
20090310 20:05:57< Ivanovic> the first pic in this loop: latest 1.4.x wesnoth on a pandora devboard at olymptronic (some exhebition about foto and media stuff, last weekend in frankfurt)
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20090310 20:08:36< mordante> cool :-)
20090310 20:09:00< mordante> btw did you have a look at the last C't?
20090310 20:09:19< Ivanovic> no
20090310 20:09:33< Ivanovic> at what should i have had a look there?
20090310 20:11:21< mordante> page 33 shows wesnoth is on it's way to world domination ;-)
20090310 20:11:34< Ivanovic> really?
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20090310 20:11:46< Ivanovic> could you scan me this stuff and send it over?
20090310 20:11:47< Ivanovic> hi YogiHH
20090310 20:11:55< YogiHH> hi Ivanovic 
20090310 20:11:56< Ivanovic> YogiHH: alink reported a *real* blocker with replays
20090310 20:12:06< Ivanovic> can you have a look at it, it is already assigned to you
20090310 20:12:06< YogiHH> yeah, i know :/
20090310 20:12:10< mordante> hi YogiHH 
20090310 20:12:10< Ivanovic> okay
20090310 20:12:14< YogiHH> just about to do that
20090310 20:12:28< YogiHH> hi mordante
20090310 20:12:34< Ivanovic> great, thanks
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20090310 20:16:16< kitty_> hi
20090310 20:16:23< Rrenys> Why hello there
20090310 20:18:45< mordante> hi kitty_ 
20090310 20:19:03< Ivanovic> hi kitty_
20090310 20:19:07< mordante> Ivanovic, here's a screenshot Windows Mobile 6.5 http://www.portablegear.nl/media/visuals/nieuws/groot/windows-mobile-6-5-officieus-01-groot.jpg
20090310 20:19:24< mordante> Windows Mobile 7.0 will be Wesnoth, I'm convinced ;-)
20090310 20:19:33< Ivanovic> mordante: you read in the logs that i found some shops which produce stickers for some "reasonable" price?
20090310 20:19:59< mordante> how many stickers for € 2,= ?
20090310 20:20:21< Ivanovic> 1
20090310 20:20:46< Ivanovic> that is: first i want to have a good looking logo (as in the current one scaled to a better res)
20090310 20:21:26< mordante> hmm not really cheap, do we get discount for larger numbers?>
20090310 20:24:23< mordante> but 15x15 would fit nicely on my laptop, maybe leaves some place for my gsoc stickers as well
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20090310 20:26:11< esr> I'm ogff on a road trip, gents.  Speaking on Long Island -- IRC presence will be spotty or nonexistent for next twelve hours.
20090310 20:26:20< Ivanovic> cu esr
20090310 20:26:33< Ivanovic> esr: are you satisfied with the announcement text?
20090310 20:26:42< Ivanovic> can i tell the translators that they can work on it?
20090310 20:26:51< esr> I've got two easy WML fixes queued up for on the road.
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20090310 20:27:07< esr> Ivanovic: Oh, yeah, it's fine.
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20090310 20:27:36< esr> fendrin: How's the AI test suite thing coming?
20090310 20:27:39< Ivanovic> okay
20090310 20:27:44< zookeeper> Ivanovic, i'm going to add something to it in a moment
20090310 20:28:27< Ivanovic> zookeeper: good, do so
20090310 20:31:18< Ivanovic> zookeeper: svn up first
20090310 20:31:22< zookeeper> i'm adding a little list of MP balancing changes, but i'll also split the "for players" section into SP and MP
20090310 20:31:27< Ivanovic> changed the license link as brunowolff pointed it out
20090310 20:31:32< Ivanovic> good idea
20090310 20:32:00< mordante> that explains why it pointed at version 2 when I just looked ;-)
20090310 20:32:28< mordante> I'm quite sure it was changed before, but apparently lost in some crash
20090310 20:33:18< fabi> esr: It's not ready.
20090310 20:34:09< fabi> esr: I am still busy with updating LoW maps to the new terrain. I still feel the large forest fields of the campaign to repetitive.
20090310 20:34:29< Ivanovic> mordante: no idea
20090310 20:34:38< esr> Want some help with that?
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20090310 20:34:56< mordante> me neither
20090310 20:35:06< fabi> The forest maps?
20090310 20:38:57< Ivanovic> afk for a while, cu
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20090310 20:41:14< zookeeper> committed. feel free to check if everything's ok.
20090310 20:42:30< esr> fabi: Sure.  Assign me one or two and I'll touch them up.  I'm reasonably capable at that, and the faster we can get a real AI test suite the better.
20090310 20:46:34< fabi> esr: 11_Battle_of_the_book.map
20090310 20:46:49< esr> OK, I can work on that.
20090310 20:47:24< fabi> esr: Please give me your opinion about Lintanir.map and Kalian.map as well.
20090310 20:47:38< esr> OK, I'll look over all three.
20090310 20:48:06< fabi> esr: Thank you very much. I am going to continue the work on the ai test suite.
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20090310 20:49:28< thespaceinvader> kitty_: fixes made =)
20090310 20:49:53< kitty_> thespaceinvader: where?
20090310 20:50:57< mordante> Ivanovic, regarding the release announcement I also think the gamma slider is not really that noteworthy
20090310 20:51:10< thespaceinvader> same thread...
20090310 20:51:21< mordante> Ivanovic, and like I said before, I'd like to mention that we started to make the GUI more tunable
20090310 20:51:30< thespaceinvader> kitty_: pressing send first helps...
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20090310 20:54:22< zookeeper> silene, so did you manage to make any sense of the code handling the weapon special display, meaning do you think you might be able to fix it?
20090310 20:54:52< thespaceinvader> kitty_: what do you think to the idea of sticking a new head on the Fighter's weapon to make him into a placeholder for the Runesmith?
20090310 20:55:10< thespaceinvader> i'd like to get all the dwarves portraited for 1.6, and that's the last one remaining
20090310 20:55:28< thespaceinvader> i doubt the proper one will be ready by the weekend... though i'll do my best
20090310 20:56:18< kitty_> thespaceinvader: the gryphon rider's neckline and the reigns look good now, i'll attempt a paintover of the arms in a few minutes. i'm not fond of recycling the same pose/pic for two units. that will look cheap. better none.
20090310 20:56:55< thespaceinvader> okie doke
20090310 20:57:34< thespaceinvader> well, i'll get on with the unique one then =)
20090310 21:04:15< esr> zookeeper: Can you be more specific about what you think is wrong wwith the EI journey tracks?
20090310 21:04:24< zookeeper> esr, let me see..
20090310 21:06:51< zookeeper> esr, take lake vrug for example, it's quite obvious
20090310 21:07:21< zookeeper> the journeys for the beginning scenarios are there, then there's nothing in the middle, then there's the journeys for the last scenario or two.
20090310 21:07:52< kitty_> thespaceinvader: that's how i see the arms: http://imagebin.ca/view/hDtNJdJ.html
20090310 21:08:36< esr> zookeeper: Hm, I'll check for deleted journey macros.  The tracks look OK.
20090310 21:08:47< esr> I mean, in trackplacer.
20090310 21:08:54< zookeeper> oh, and shouldn't we decorate the release announcement with some pretty portraits too?
20090310 21:08:58< thespaceinvader> you've got his shoulders in a really odd angle - they're broader than that, and the rear one is turned out more
20090310 21:09:20< zookeeper> esr, sure.
20090310 21:09:34< YogiHH> mmm, svn is awfully slow atm...
20090310 21:12:10< esr> zookeeper: The missing tracks are fo rscenarios that take placve underground, I think.
20090310 21:12:33< zookeeper> esr, no, can't be. they don't take place there.
20090310 21:12:53< esr> The heroes get captured ar the end of Lake Vrug, and resurface for Evacuation.
20090310 21:12:53< zookeeper> the missing ones are the river crossing ones and maybe some before and after
20090310 21:13:11< esr> Checking...
20090310 21:15:24< thespaceinvader> kitty_: you've got his shoulders in a really odd angle - they're broader than that, and the rear one is turned out more
20090310 21:15:41< kitty_> thespaceinvader: ok, then the shoulders are broader and he stands at more of an angle. my main points are that thr rear arm is too big, that the hand holding the reign needs to be bent more and that the front arm needs more of an ellbow.
20090310 21:17:03< thespaceinvader> the bend of the front arm gets hidden in the volume of the tunic... and the hand is taken directly from the reference
20090310 21:17:29< kitty_> was your ref hand holding something?
20090310 21:18:09< kitty_> and the front arm is just a bit tube-like, just accentuate its form and angle
20090310 21:20:03< thespaceinvader> yes, indeed - it was holding a strap about the size and shape of a rein... that's why i used it :P
20090310 21:20:06< silene> zookeeper: the fix is easy, just remove "true" at src/dialogs.cpp:876; but since it was put there on purpose, the change may break more things than it fixes
20090310 21:21:23< kitty_> thespaceinvader: ok, then let the hand stay but still shrink the arm...
20090310 21:21:25< zookeeper> silene, hmh, right... loonycyborg, if someone commits that could you then make a new build so i could test it out?
20090310 21:21:50< zookeeper> (or just make a build with that, anything works for me)
20090310 21:21:59< thespaceinvader> yep, i'll do that kitty_ 
20090310 21:23:17< silene> zookeeper: for instance, "backstab" may (possibly) no longer appear in the preview pane
20090310 21:23:19< esr> zookeeper: I think I may have spotted the problem...or *a* problem, anyway.  Is it legl to have [switcch] markup inside a [part]?
20090310 21:23:31< zookeeper> silene, ah yes, that's probably the reason.
20090310 21:23:32< esr> s/legl/legal/
20090310 21:23:45< zookeeper> esr, i doubt it
20090310 21:24:34< thespaceinvader> kitty_: i think you mgith also be interpreting the shirt as a little tighter than i intend it
20090310 21:24:43< zookeeper> silene, i think i might remember a discussion about that, i'll have to go dig around my logs..
20090310 21:24:57< mordante> YogiHH, is your bio up to date? http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/SoC_Information_for_Google#Who_will_your_mentors_be.3F_Please_include_Google_Account_information.
20090310 21:25:06< kitty_> thespaceinvader: yep, in order to get rid of the tube-like and formless appearance they have now...
20090310 21:25:16< mordante> I've the impression you're working for more than 2 years on Wesnoth
20090310 21:25:33 * YogiHH checks
20090310 21:25:34< thespaceinvader> i'll try to improve matters by making the folds a little less... floaty
20090310 21:25:36< mordante> Sapient it would be nice if you can also add your bio here http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/SoC_Information_for_Google#Who_will_your_mentors_be.3F_Please_include_Google_Account_information.
20090310 21:26:10< Ivanovic> mordante: then add this part to the announcement
20090310 21:26:19< Ivanovic> and yes, the part about the gamma slider can IMO be removed
20090310 21:26:30< mordante> Ivanovic, will do after finishing the GSoC page
20090310 21:26:32< Ivanovic> (the part to add about "making the user interface more tuneable)
20090310 21:26:35< Ivanovic> good
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20090310 21:28:01< zookeeper> meh, my irc logs surely lie. they claim i've never used the term "weapon special" here before.
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20090310 21:31:57< CIA-70> zookeeper * r33527 /website/start/1.6/template.html: Updated the announcement with a short list of default era balancing changes and split the "For Players" section into "Campaigns", "Multiplayer" and "General".
20090310 21:32:04< CIA-70> ivanovic * r33526 /website/start/1.6/template.html: updated license to make sure that it points to 2.0, thanks brunowolff for the hint
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20090310 21:32:40< YogiHH> mordante: updated the bio
20090310 21:32:50< YogiHH> not that there was much to do :-)
20090310 21:33:00< Ivanovic> zookeeper: was it intentional that you removed the part "it was imported from the umc dev" stuff?
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20090310 21:33:12< mordante> thanks YogiHH :-)
20090310 21:33:25< zookeeper> Ivanovic, urgh, no.
20090310 21:33:31< zookeeper> i thought i made sure i didn't.
20090310 21:33:38< fabi> The ai controller feature is very hidden in low. I guess most people will play the campaign without noticing it. 
20090310 21:33:44< Ivanovic> look at the commit diff
20090310 21:34:30< zookeeper> Ivanovic, shall i fix?
20090310 21:34:39< Ivanovic> yes, please
20090310 21:36:13< zookeeper> fabi, well, should i remove the mention of it then?
20090310 21:36:41< fabi> zookeeper: Or explain where it is hidden.
20090310 21:36:57< zookeeper> doesn't sound like there'd be all that much point to it
20090310 21:37:16< Ivanovic> make it a "we added an almost hidden feature to control what your AI ally should do. will you be able to find it?
20090310 21:37:18< Ivanovic> ;)
20090310 21:37:33< fabi> Ivanovic: That sounds good.
20090310 21:38:17< zookeeper> sounds silly to me, so you'll have to do it ;)
20090310 21:38:30< CIA-70> zookeeper * r33528 /website/start/1.6/template.html: Fixed botched commit.
20090310 21:38:48< Ivanovic> fabi: will you write it?
20090310 21:38:56< Ivanovic> (hey, the announcement is a group project thing ;) )
20090310 21:41:33< fabi> Ivanovic: on my way
20090310 21:41:44< Ivanovic> great
20090310 21:42:43< CIA-70> mordante * r33529 /website/start/1.6/template.html: Remove the gamma slider, it's not that noteworthy.
20090310 21:42:47< cjhopman> when i'm scrolling in-game, the leading edge is really choppy. is that normal?
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20090310 21:43:56< kitty_> concerning the release announcement - could we get rid of the "whole new range of unit portraits in more realistic styles", too? there are neither serveral realistic styles nor are they more relistic than in 1.4. they are just *more* in a unified style...
20090310 21:45:28< mordante> I like to keep the part that we have a whole new range of portraits
20090310 21:46:05< mordante> whether or not they're more realistic is hard to judge, I've never seen an elf ;-)
20090310 21:46:40< kitty_> then just leave the more realistic styles out, atm it sounds like we do something different than in 1.4 style-wise
20090310 21:46:44< mordante> kitty_, can you propose a new sentence, then I'll commit that
20090310 21:47:02< mordante> seems our messages crossed
20090310 21:48:22< CIA-70> mordante * r33530 /website/start/1.6/template.html: Remove the realistic part, upon Kitty's request.
20090310 21:48:28< mordante> kitty_, ^
20090310 21:48:36< kitty_> :)
20090310 21:49:58< fabi> That website toplevel thing is obove the whole trunk thing?
20090310 21:50:34< Soliton> parallel to it.
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20090310 22:09:17< YogiHH> ugh, someone is restarting the mp server?
20090310 22:10:05 * YogiHH was in the middle of creating a test replay :/
20090310 22:10:37< Ivanovic> uhm, the replay issue is *singleplay* (the one alink reported with recruiting/recalling)
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20090310 22:11:45< YogiHH> Ivanovic: i know, i just want to make sure the fix doesn't break mp (you never know if it comes to replays) :/
20090310 22:12:33< Ivanovic> ahhh, right
20090310 22:12:53< Ivanovic> this means you already got a fix, or are you just creating the replay for "later testing"?
20090310 22:13:05 * Ivanovic hugs YogiHH if he already has got a fix
20090310 22:13:17< YogiHH> no, i got the fix already and it is working for campaigns ;-)
20090310 22:13:46< Ivanovic> nice
20090310 22:14:26< CIA-70> fendrin * r33531 /website/start/1.6/template.html: Explained how to find the ai controller in a very bad english.
20090310 22:14:56< YogiHH> Soliton: trunk mp server is down?
20090310 22:15:11< thespaceinvader> forum's copped it as well
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20090310 22:16:49< Soliton> looks like there are some network troubles.
20090310 22:17:15< thespaceinvader> back now
20090310 22:18:13< CIA-70> mordante * r33532 /website/start/1.6/template.html: Add a paragraph about the GUI changes.
20090310 22:21:21< thespaceinvader> kitty_: fixes uploaded again
20090310 22:21:28< thespaceinvader> and lines for the Runesmith
20090310 22:22:05< mordante> Ivanovic, finished the main gsoc page and the release announcement, will look at the ideas page tomorrow
20090310 22:22:30< Ivanovic> mordante: great
20090310 22:23:46< kitty_> thespaceinvader: better! :) do you have patience left to try to make the belly round again, it became a kind of a angled plane now.
20090310 22:23:56< CIA-70> ivanovic * r33533 /website/start/1.6/template.html: 
20090310 22:23:56< CIA-70> add links to the sub-sub categories
20090310 22:23:56< CIA-70> rewrite the part about the ai controller
20090310 22:24:30< thespaceinvader> kitty_: not specially - i'm happy with it as it is.  I'll try to sort it when I come back to it to make the final version
20090310 22:24:41< thespaceinvader> frelling feathers, i hates them
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20090310 22:25:36< kitty_> thespaceinvader: c'mon some dark round strokes at the left side shouldn't be a big deal...
20090310 22:26:07< Turuk_> hmm
20090310 22:29:11< kitty_> thespaceinvader: the runesmith: the beard braids should follow the shape of his torso/belly like the gryphonrider's neckline. generally i'm not really fond of the craftsman route you took, i'd rather like to see his priest side, too. make sure that gets visible with the detailing. and the helmet's visor doesn't follow the direction of the head.
20090310 22:31:12< thespaceinvader> kitty_: i don't see the runesmiths as priests - they are craftsmen, it's in the name.  But i'll do what i can.  I'm struggling with the perspective of the visor though - it's meant to be somethign like a welder's mask, given that these are the guys who probably make thundersticks, they'd need to face protection
20090310 22:32:47< kitty_> they are not simple craftsman they add magic by inscripting runes. the unit carrys a big book, too, not only the hammer.
20090310 22:32:49< thespaceinvader> kitty_: nother minor edit posted
20090310 22:33:02< thespaceinvader> yeah, true
20090310 22:33:15< thespaceinvader> but i wouldn't see them as priests, still
20090310 22:33:24 * Ivanovic is working on creating the translateable files of the announcement now
20090310 22:33:27< Ivanovic> wish me luck...
20090310 22:33:42< thespaceinvader> they're mystical, but they still do what they do with tools and skill, not voice and preaching
20090310 22:34:34< thespaceinvader> Ivanovic: where is the release announcement?
20090310 22:35:38< kitty_> thespaceinvader: ok, not priests but mystic craftsmen with extraordinary prestige in their society. working magic and carrying rune/spell books... and yours emphasizes only the craftsman side atm
20090310 22:36:14< thespaceinvader> i intend for the runes to be more glowy than on previous ones
20090310 22:36:53< thespaceinvader> but i'm not sure how i could add more in terms of priestiness without compromising either the craftsman or the warrior
20090310 22:37:10< YogiHH> Sirp, you there?
20090310 22:37:25< mordante> thespaceinvader, http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth/website/start/1.6/template.html
20090310 22:37:30< kitty_> thespaceinvader: gryphonrider -  I'm not really satisfied with what you did to the shirt but if you promise that you consider him only a placeholder and will seriously take care of that for the final one - go and commit him to have the dwarves complete for now
20090310 22:37:34< thespaceinvader> maybe more decoration on the visor and its holder
20090310 22:37:46< thespaceinvader> kitty_: yeah, i will do that
20090310 22:37:56< thespaceinvader> committing now
20090310 22:38:00< thespaceinvader> mordante: thanks
20090310 22:38:05< mordante> no problem
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20090310 22:38:33< mordante> night
20090310 22:38:44< Ivanovic> thespaceinvader: as sent to the ml: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/*checkout*/wesnoth/website/start/1.6/template.html
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20090310 22:39:03< Sirp> YogiHH: I am. What's up?
20090310 22:39:04< thespaceinvader> Ivanovic:  thanks, mordante gave me the link too =)
20090310 22:39:20< YogiHH> Sirp: i am afraid, we still have an AI problem
20090310 22:39:44< YogiHH> Sirp: In mp, once the leader left his keep he won't return even if he has tons of gold
20090310 22:39:46< kitty_> thespaceinvader: you can add a lot of priest feeling by colour choice, look at some real world priest costumes. give him rich embroideries, padded materials etc
20090310 22:39:55< Sirp> YogiHH: ahhh.
20090310 22:39:59< thespaceinvader> ah i see
20090310 22:40:06< Sirp> YogiHH: that at least should in theory not be too hard to fix, I don't think.
20090310 22:40:11< thespaceinvader> yeah, i'm intending to decorate his apron a lot
20090310 22:40:21< thespaceinvader> and his leather bits in general
20090310 22:40:23< YogiHH> Sirp: or to be precise, once he left far enough to not be able to return within one move
20090310 22:40:36< Sirp> YogiHH: oh. Wasn't it always like that?
20090310 22:40:40< thespaceinvader> but the majority of his clothes will be mroe chainmail (why oh why do i pick these materials >.<)
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20090310 22:40:45< YogiHH> Sirp: i don't think so
20090310 22:40:53< Sirp> YogiHH: I thought it might have been....
20090310 22:41:21< YogiHH> Sirp: i have watched a lot of AI's in mp and they never did that before
20090310 22:41:35< YogiHH> Sirp: i have a sample savegame, do you want that?
20090310 22:41:54< Sirp> YogiHH: please, attach it to a bug report.
20090310 22:42:05< YogiHH> ok
20090310 22:42:15< YogiHH> afk for a while
20090310 22:42:19< kitty_> thespaceinvader: even if you have lots of chainmail (i really don't envy you ;) ) you could make it a darker kind of it, play with metal colourings etc.
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20090310 22:42:46< Sirp> YogiHH: however, to let you know my situation, I am currently buying a house. This house is about 1000 miles away from where I currently live. After purchasing it, I am organizing to move my family, and all possessions to this new house and move in and live there. This is all intended to happen in less than two weeks.
20090310 22:43:00< Sirp> YogiHH: so I might not have much time to fix it right now. :)
20090310 22:43:15 * thespaceinvader wonders about maybe including some kind of pattern of different coloured rings
20090310 22:43:30< thespaceinvader> it would be an interesting look, but a challenge to draw...
20090310 22:43:46< kitty_> that could get very interesting! i'd love to see that!
20090310 22:44:28< thespaceinvader> what am i letting myself in for >.<
20090310 22:44:39< kitty_> you started some very organic patterns on the other dwarves, but something more geometric would work better for that, hmm.
20090310 22:45:14< kitty_> all great (looking) things are difficult :P
20090310 22:47:33< thespaceinvader> i think part of the issue is that i'm looking at this guy as the runesmith and the runemaster
20090310 22:47:41< thespaceinvader> where the only mainline unit is actually the runemaster
20090310 22:47:52< thespaceinvader> it would still be used for the smith in campaigns, though...
20090310 22:47:54< YogiHH> Sirp: i see
20090310 22:48:48< kitty_> yeah, he has to work for both, but he *is* the runemaster!
20090310 22:50:46< Sirp> YogiHH: but by all means file a bug report and remind me about it......I will see if I can fix time in.
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20090310 22:53:07< CIA-70> ivanovic * r33534 /trunk/data/languages/id_ID.cfg: slight correction in lang name (though it is inactive anyway...)
20090310 22:53:11< CIA-70> ivanovic * r33535 /website/start/1.6/ (49 files in 2 dirs): 
20090310 22:53:11< CIA-70> create po files from latest template
20090310 22:53:11< CIA-70> add *many* languages to the languages.conf file (not all, some complicated unlikely to send anything in are left out, will be worked on when stuff for them is sent in)
20090310 22:53:11< CIA-70> "pot-update" (that is make the reference file reflect the current state)
20090310 22:55:01< Ivanovic> so is everybody satisfied with the 1.6 announcement text as shown at http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/*checkout*/wesnoth/website/start/1.6/template.html ?
20090310 22:55:30 * zookeeper notes that he doesn't know what "delectation" means
20090310 22:56:54< Sapient> http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=3008103 
20090310 22:57:11< Turuk_> delight or delightful or something like that I am sure
20090310 22:57:23< CIA-70> thespaceinvader * r33536 /trunk/ (7 files in 5 dirs): Add and wire the Gryphon Rider portrait, update changelogs, portrait credits.
20090310 22:58:16< Sapient> how about "enjoyment" ?
20090310 22:58:18< YogiHH> Sirp: see bug #13165
20090310 22:59:01< Ivanovic> http://dict.leo.org/ende?lp=ende&lang=de&searchLoc=0&cmpType=relaxed&sectHdr=on&spellToler=on&chinese=both&pinyin=diacritic&search=delectation&relink=on
20090310 22:59:07< Ivanovic> my dic has this term, so why not use it
20090310 22:59:08< Ivanovic> ;)
20090310 22:59:55< happygrue> same root as delectable, perhaps?
20090310 23:00:10< CIA-70> ivanovic * r33537 /trunk/ (6 files in 5 dirs): updated German translation
20090310 23:00:30< happygrue> I have never heard it before in my life though...
20090310 23:01:16< Sirp> zookeeper: well have you heard "delectable" before?
20090310 23:01:34< Sirp> admittedly delectation could sound a little pretentious.
20090310 23:01:35< Sapient> I think the spelling "epilogues" is more common than "epilogs"
20090310 23:01:38< zookeeper> Sirp, no
20090310 23:02:00< Sirp> zookeeper: really? delectation is uncommon but delectable is reasonably widely used.
20090310 23:02:04< Sapient> delectation sounds like some word you would only hear on a cooking show
20090310 23:02:18< zookeeper> my point was just that i guess a lot of non-native speakers might not recognize the word
20090310 23:02:18< happygrue> deletable I know, the other I did not
20090310 23:02:33< Sirp> zookeeper: I agree. I think we should use something else.
20090310 23:02:35< happygrue> right, I could guess it from context, but only because I know delectable
20090310 23:02:59< happygrue> Sapient: yeah, it sounds 'tasty'  ;)
20090310 23:03:19< Ivanovic> then it shall be "enjoyment"
20090310 23:03:29< Sapient> Ivanovic: missing a comma before 'and' here: "Wesnoth history timeline and"
20090310 23:03:32< happygrue> what does that mean?
20090310 23:03:35 * happygrue kids
20090310 23:04:18 * crimson_penguin has 2GB of bandwidth left on his internet until the 16th
20090310 23:04:46< Ivanovic> Sapient: okay
20090310 23:04:49< Ivanovic> any other changes?
20090310 23:04:59< Sapient> "adding depth and richness..." is a run on sentence
20090310 23:05:16< Sapient> I suggest ". We feel this adds some depth and richness..."
20090310 23:06:29< Ivanovic> i splitted the sentence before
20090310 23:07:02< Ivanovic> The history and geography of Wesnoth have been developed in more depth and detail: More campaigns now include references to events in the overall history, adding depth and richness to the narration.
20090310 23:07:27< Sapient> I like my version better
20090310 23:07:31< Sapient> ;)
20090310 23:07:56< Sapient> besides, that's not a standard usage of the : there
20090310 23:08:56< Ivanovic> pah, who cares about standards?
20090310 23:09:03< Ivanovic> we are not microsoft, so we don't have to...
20090310 23:09:04< Ivanovic> ;)
20090310 23:09:34< Sapient> " registration and logging in using an account is not required " I think that subject-verb disagrees in plurality
20090310 23:09:57< Sapient>  " registration is not required " is simpler and conveys the same point
20090310 23:10:25< Sapient> ok, I have to give someone a ride
20090310 23:10:26< Sapient> later
20090310 23:10:29 * Sapient afk
20090310 23:10:45< Ivanovic> okay
20090310 23:10:52< Ivanovic> applied those changes, commiting them
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20090310 23:11:43< CIA-70> ivanovic * r33538 /website/start/1.6/template.html: adjust the release announcement with suggestions by Sapient
20090310 23:12:54< CIA-70> ivanovic * r33539 /website/start/1.6/po/ (48 files): pot-update of the announcement
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20090310 23:19:34 * Sapient back
20090310 23:20:02< Ivanovic> sent the mail to the translation and dev list that the announcement is basically ready for translations
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20090310 23:20:24< Sapient> Ivanovic: you left out the "is" from registration is not required
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20090310 23:21:13< Sapient> if you wanted to use the original phrase, then "neither x nor y are required" would have been appropriate
20090310 23:22:13< Ivanovic> Sapient: if you want to use a registered nick, logging in *is* required
20090310 23:22:15< CIA-70> ivanovic * r33540 /website/start/1.6/ (49 files in 2 dirs): fixed another typo (good that noone started on the files so far...)
20090310 23:22:22< Ivanovic> so neither x nor y does *not* work
20090310 23:22:24< Ivanovic> ;)
20090310 23:22:36< Sapient> well, ok
20090310 23:23:06< Sapient> "graphics have been improved, with" <- remove comma
20090310 23:24:31< Sapient> also, plural of naga is "nagas"
20090310 23:25:55< Sapient> Addons -> Add-ons (?)
20090310 23:27:35< Sapient> GUI engine is under heavy development, these  ->  GUI engine is under heavy development; these
20090310 23:29:20< Sapient> "hole; we hope" -> "hole. However, we hope"    (needs some negative connector)
20090310 23:30:06< Sapient> other than that, it looks ready
20090310 23:30:46< Sapient> I did notice some inconsistent usage of "a, b, and c" versus "a, b and c"
20090310 23:30:53< Sapient> personally, I prefer the former
20090310 23:31:05 * Ivanovic prefers "a, b and c"
20090310 23:31:14< Sapient> yeah, I noticed :p
20090310 23:31:18< Ivanovic> please point me to the inconsitent ones, otherwise fixing will take ages
20090310 23:31:39< Sapient> "Macedonian, and Marathi."
20090310 23:31:58< Sapient> "fall, and winter"
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20090310 23:33:13< Sapient> "Mac OS X, and various GNU/Linux distributions."
20090310 23:33:35< Ivanovic> "The editor can handle multiple maps in a session, and you can"
20090310 23:33:42< Ivanovic> the ',' can be removed, right?
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20090310 23:34:01< Sapient> no
20090310 23:35:23< Sapient> "two new multiplayer scenarios, and another refresh of the user interface."
20090310 23:35:41< CIA-70> ivanovic * r33541 /website/start/1.6/template.html: many more corrections
20090310 23:36:20< Ivanovic> please check in the diff if i removed too many: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth/website/start/1.6/template.html?rev=33541&r1=33540&r2=33541&view=diff
20090310 23:36:48< Ivanovic> atm only two ", and" cases are left, one in the mapeditor, the other at the unit resistance stuff with the coastal reef terrain
20090310 23:37:09< Sapient> that second one you mentioned is optional
20090310 23:37:18< Sapient> it could be removed
20090310 23:37:40< Sapient> personally, I think the sentence is so long it needs a break there
20090310 23:37:51< Ivanovic> will leave it then
20090310 23:38:24< Sapient> ugh
20090310 23:38:29< Ivanovic> ???
20090310 23:38:33< Sapient> you should have just removed the ones I mentioned :p
20090310 23:38:40< Ivanovic> pah
20090310 23:38:40< Sapient> " history timeline, and almost "
20090310 23:38:55< Sapient> that one was correct
20090310 23:39:04< Ivanovic> okay, beside this?
20090310 23:39:37< Sapient> it's correct
20090310 23:39:57< Sapient> (that's all)
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20090310 23:41:29< CIA-70> ivanovic * r33542 /website/start/1.6/ (49 files in 2 dirs): 
20090310 23:41:29< CIA-70> just another fix (thanks Sapient)
20090310 23:41:29< CIA-70> pot-update of the announcement files now that Sapient seems to be done with them ;)
20090310 23:42:10 * Sapient wonders how long before blue cheese salad dressing expires
20090310 23:42:40< Sapient> the date on this thing says december 2008 but it still smells good, lol
20090310 23:43:05< Sapient> tempting...
20090310 23:44:54 * Sapient plays it safe and goes with hidden valley ranch instead
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20090310 23:52:59< Ivanovic> time for me to head off to bed, n8
20090310 23:53:09< Sapient> gn, Ivanovic
20090310 23:56:24< thespaceinvader> server's on the fritz again >.<
20090310 23:57:33< Sirp> thespaceinvader: ?
20090310 23:58:05< Ivanovic> Sirp: wesnoth.org is down
20090310 23:58:53< Ivanovic> that is what thespaceinvader wanted to state
20090310 23:58:53< thespaceinvader> for the second time this evening, hence again
20090310 23:58:53< boucman> ok, so I'm not the only one with forum problems
20090310 23:58:53< Sirp> :-/
20090310 23:58:54< Elvish_Pillage2> indeed not
20090310 23:59:00< Sirp> ahhh yes, I can't ssh
20090310 23:59:13< Sirp> ping time is very slow
20090310 23:59:26< Sirp> oh wait I did ssh in
20090310 23:59:32< Ivanovic> short guess: another of those mysterious reboots?
20090310 23:59:35< Ivanovic> what does uptime say?
20090310 23:59:51< Sirp> 11 days uptime
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