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20090329 03:49:01< happygrue> _jbx_: who is hosting your game?
20090329 03:49:14< happygrue> things are a bit faster for me, but it is still several minutes for the AI turn
20090329 03:53:15< happygrue> back in a minute, I'm going to reboot and try it again.
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20090329 03:53:40< Soliton> _jbx_: i don't care much either way. 2-4 or whatever would be fine, too.
20090329 03:59:35< _jbx_> Soliton I dont' think we have to decide soon.  it will remain in it's current status for a while, we can see what it feels like after a couple weeks of playing 
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20090329 04:34:13< Turuk_> Bah
20090329 04:36:36< happygrue> hi Turuk_ 
20090329 04:36:38< happygrue> welcome back
20090329 04:36:45< Turuk_> hi happygrue, thanks :)
20090329 04:36:47< Turuk_> How are you doing?
20090329 04:37:00< happygrue> I'm quite well
20090329 04:37:19< happygrue> how was your trip?
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20090329 04:38:17< Turuk_> Very nice, we visited a friend of mine from France who lives in Paris
20090329 04:38:38< happygrue> nice :)
20090329 04:39:11< Turuk_> Yeah, having a French person to direct you where to go during the day and take you out at night was a true tour of the city :P
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20090329 04:45:51< happygrue> I've been to Paris once, and I wished for that ;)
20090329 04:48:40< Turuk_> Yeah, it worked out well since the French people were not always the most receptive
20090329 04:50:40< Turuk_> 3 hours later, and only 61 threads left
20090329 04:50:44 * Turuk_ cheers.
20090329 04:55:15< happygrue> hehe
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20090329 20:39:52< Baufo> happygrue, I have been looking into https://gna.org/bugs/?13228 and I wonder how you came up with 1/20 and 1/25?
20090329 20:41:57< happygrue> Baufo: no method
20090329 20:42:01< Soliton> i'd just go with disallowing. arbitrarily reduced chance is silly.
20090329 20:42:12< happygrue> just chances that were less than 1/6
20090329 20:42:23< happygrue> Soliton: why do you think so?
20090329 20:42:48< happygrue> well, I guess arbitrarily is somewhat silly
20090329 20:42:52< happygrue> point taken
20090329 20:43:02< Soliton> well, proper implementation would otherwise be the slider and that sounds like overengineering.
20090329 20:43:09< happygrue> ideally a slider would be nice
20090329 20:43:14< happygrue> but yes, I agree
20090329 20:43:20< happygrue> a slider is also probably overkill here
20090329 20:43:43< happygrue> for me personally, I would not like as many mirrors, but I don't want to NEVER have a mirror
20090329 20:44:00< happygrue> hence my arbitrary suggestions of probabilities
20090329 20:44:31< Soliton> so don't turn that box on all the time. ;-)
20090329 20:44:37< happygrue> heh
20090329 20:44:39< happygrue> yeah
20090329 20:44:40< Soliton> you could role a dice..
20090329 20:45:18< happygrue> hehe
20090329 20:45:49< happygrue> Baufo: I am guessing that disallowing would be simplest to implement?
20090329 20:46:28< happygrue> otherwise a box could set it to 'normal' or not allowed, and then normal could be edited by folks like me in the preferences file
20090329 20:46:29< ilor> I think it would be simplest to just "roll again" (n times) when there's a mirror
20090329 20:46:36< happygrue> ilor: great idea
20090329 20:47:15< Baufo> ilor, that was one algorithm I was thinking about 
20090329 20:47:19< happygrue> though what is n...
20090329 20:47:36< Baufo> n = the value set by a slider
20090329 20:48:34< Baufo> the other algorithm I considered was adding all non mirror factions to the pool from which the second faction is drawn n times instead of just once
20090329 20:48:52< Soliton> how is it done atm? couldn't you just remove the selected option from the other players after the first faction is chosen?
20090329 20:49:26< Baufo> Soliton, I don't quite understand
20090329 20:50:25< Baufo> happygrue, anyhow, sure, disallowing is slightly easier but reducing the probability is not really a lot of trouble too
20090329 20:56:29< happygrue> Baufo: ok
20090329 20:57:10< happygrue> well, however you choose to implement it, it should be an improvement :)
20090329 20:57:27< happygrue> n rerolls and a slider sounds perfect really
20090329 20:57:37< happygrue> since then it could default to how it works now
20090329 20:57:57< Soliton> Baufo: as you said. just remove the taken choice from subsequent rolls.
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20090329 21:01:48< Baufo> hmm, at 800x600 there isn't really any space left to put a new slider or even a checkbox
20090329 21:03:20< Soliton> yeah, the timing stuff needs to go into its own dialog.
20090329 21:09:05< Baufo> oh well, for now I'll make it a hidden option and worry about the ui stuff later
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20090329 21:23:20< happygrue> Baufo: about that lack of space in the UI, is that a problem that is currently being addressed?  It seems that much wasted space is taken up by things that are not changed whenever Use Map Settings is checked.  Maybe all that stuff should also have it's own dialog (that opens if a user doesn't want to use map settings).
20090329 21:27:27< noy> happygrue: ilor is working on it
20090329 21:27:40< noy> or has a proposal for his GSOC application
20090329 21:28:30< Soliton> the lobby interface is not the same as the create game screen.
20090329 21:35:35< noy> oh I thought he was talking about the interface
20090329 21:35:37< noy> nm
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20090329 21:46:42< happygrue> Soliton: Shadow_Master there are some ladder players that are wondering about their ladder names already being registered (most or all by inactive folks)
20090329 21:46:54< happygrue> any thoughts on that?
20090329 21:47:07< happygrue> Pagan registered Pagan_ for example
20090329 21:47:20< happygrue> but that might not be ideal solution IMO
20090329 21:48:00< Soliton> Shadow_Master: did you remove old unused accounts yet?
20090329 21:48:34< happygrue> we can probably allow them to change their ladder name, but I would like to see how many have been dealt with already by the cleanup.
20090329 21:49:25< Baufo> I thought about not requesting a password if an account hasn't been used for a long time
20090329 21:51:11< Soliton> then you can only reactivate via the forum but might be a good idea.
20090329 21:53:55< Baufo> another solution might of course be to just delete single old accounts with few posts for well-established community members (e.g. for Pagan)
20090329 21:57:32< happygrue> Baufo: I agree that on a case by case basis it is probably ok
20090329 21:57:55< happygrue> I am not sure quite how many people we are talking about yet, but probably not that many
20090329 21:59:07< happygrue> but I want to see if Shadow_Master's great purge will solve most of it anyway ;)
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20090329 22:14:30< ilor> hi noy, sorry mot feeling well tonigh and going to get some nmore sleep, bye ;)
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20090329 22:25:00< Shadow_Master> Soliton: Turuk nuked a bunch of unused accounts some time ago.
20090329 22:25:13< Shadow_Master> he got to it before me. Do you need a list?
20090329 22:26:36< Soliton> no, but maybe you can check that Pagan account and delete it if it's unused.
20090329 22:27:13< Shadow_Master> last active November 17th 205, total 6 posts.
20090329 22:27:15< Shadow_Master> *2005
20090329 22:27:54< Shadow_Master> :-/ does that qualify as "unused"?
20090329 22:29:27< Soliton> is there a simple way how i can get to a user's profile by his name?
20090329 22:30:30< happygrue> Shadow_Master: I am pretty sure that it was originally his account, but he doesn't remember setting it up
20090329 22:30:39< happygrue> or rather, the info used to set it up
20090329 22:31:29< happygrue> Shadow_Master: so it's ok if I come to you or Turuk on a case by case basis to ask about old usernames then?
20090329 22:31:56< happygrue> I am guessing between 5-10 accounts when all the dust settles
20090329 22:32:53< Baufo> Soliton, http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/memberlist.php?mode=searchuser
20090329 22:33:17< Baufo> (members --> find a member)
20090329 22:33:48< Soliton> ah thanks, never noticed that.
20090329 22:34:16< Shadow_Master> happygrue: as Baufo is pointing out, you can see the "last active" and number of posts without admini priviledges. But yeah, I guess it's okay.
20090329 22:35:42< happygrue> Shadow_Master: right, but after I do that, I bug you about resetting.deleting them ;)
20090329 22:35:54< Soliton> well, whether it was his account or not 2005 is long enough ago.
20090329 22:36:19< Baufo> if it was his account we could just reset his password...
20090329 22:36:42< Shadow_Master> ask him to go to the login page and click on the "I forgot my password" link
20090329 22:36:43< Soliton> i doubt it is.
20090329 22:36:58< happygrue> he has done that
20090329 22:37:17< happygrue> I am afk a bit now, but I can ask him later
20090329 22:37:24< Soliton> i don't think he's been around for that long and doesn't speak english that well.
20090329 22:37:26< Shadow_Master> um. let's assume they are differen tpeople. What if "Pagan" (forum user) decides to come back today?
20090329 22:37:43< Soliton> then you need to be quick.
20090329 22:38:19 * Shadow_Master prepares to run
20090329 22:38:29< happygrue> Shadow_Master: Pagan has established a name for himself in the community, so if another guy returns to claim it now, I think he would have an uphill battle
20090329 22:38:52< Shadow_Master> happygrue: and this is the MP Pagan you're talking about? :)
20090329 22:39:26< happygrue> yes, so the other could still be playing SP, I agree
20090329 22:39:41< happygrue> well, pagan has not asked for the change, he just made a new nick
20090329 22:39:50< happygrue> but since it is Pagan_ it seems kind of silly...
20090329 22:40:01< Shadow_Master> I'll kill forum/Pagan then.
20090329 22:40:38< happygrue> Shadow_Master: pagan's forum name atm is "Zlodeki" or something
20090329 22:40:46< happygrue> for what that's worth
20090329 22:41:12< Shadow_Master> multiplayer/Pagan ? Didn't you just say he is using Pagan_ ? :|
20090329 22:41:17< Soliton> happygrue: generally tell people to contact Shadow_Master/Ivanovic/whoever personally, i'd say.
20090329 22:41:53< Soliton> he was posting under Zlodzei or so but is now using Pagan_ on the server.
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20090329 22:42:30< happygrue> Soliton: ok
20090329 22:43:27< Shadow_Master> okay, should I delete the 2005 Pagan or not?
20090329 22:43:41< Shadow_Master> I'm not here to play word games :-/
20090329 22:46:30< Baufo> I'm off to bed, night
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20090329 22:47:13< happygrue> Shadow_Master: let me ask pagan sometime
20090329 22:47:19< happygrue> I will bother you again when I have talked to him
20090329 22:47:29< happygrue> I just wanted to raise the issue before asking him
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