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20090304 00:03:44< Elvish_Pillager> cons: lost all but one scout to save my arse, partially after I put Landar where he couldn't retreat at dusk.
20090304 00:04:17< Elvish_Pillager> pros: Landar, Anduilas, and a good Shaman cruised easily to level 2. Anduilas is already halfway to being a Marshal.
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20090304 00:24:51< fabi> not bad
20090304 00:25:17< fabi> Elvish_Pillager: It would be nice if you give campaign feedback in the forum.
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20090304 00:36:05< Elvish_Pillager> ...is it just me or does the optimal strategy in scenario 2 involve disobeying a direct order from our campaign hero?
20090304 00:45:47< fabi> Elvish_Pillager: hmmm, why do you ask?
20090304 00:46:53< fabi> Elvish_Pillager: If you had an easy win by stepping on the trolls land it must be a wml bug.
20090304 00:47:42< Elvish_Pillager> you mean the dwarves land?
20090304 00:47:51< Elvish_Pillager> it'd probably be a lot easier than this
20090304 00:48:19< Elvish_Pillager> if the goal was to make a glorious slaughter of an infinite supply of trolls, I could do it
20090304 00:48:25< Elvish_Pillager> but this time limit...
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20090304 00:50:59< Elvish_Pillager> that is to say, the time limit means it must be easier to rush in and start a 3-way war than to try to deal with tough units on difficult terrain.
20090304 00:51:33< Elvish_Pillager> I've made five Riders, but no progress.
20090304 00:59:49< Elvish_Pillager> wait a minute, will the trolls ever step on Olurf's land or not?
20090304 01:03:29< fabi> the trolls may do that
20090304 01:03:38< fabi> you can't always tell whats going to happen.
20090304 01:03:46< Elvish_Pillager> actually, you can.
20090304 01:04:04< fabi> after you kill the first troll the ai is allowed to step on olurfs land.
20090304 01:04:12< Elvish_Pillager> oh, really now -
20090304 01:04:23< fabi> but it's not realy easy to lure them on.
20090304 01:04:42< Elvish_Pillager> I don't see code for that anywhere in this file
20090304 01:05:14< Elvish_Pillager> when the first troll dies, some AI attributes change
20090304 01:05:19< Elvish_Pillager> but not [avoid]...
20090304 01:05:37< Elvish_Pillager> oh well let's see if it works
20090304 01:05:41< Elvish_Pillager> *goes to kill a troll*
20090304 01:06:25< fabi> Elvish_Pillager: if the avoid is not repeated, it's deleted. The modify_side tag replaces all old ai attributes.
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20090304 01:12:30< Elvish_Pillager> fabi: I wish WML would be consistent on this account
20090304 01:16:47< fabi> What means?
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20090304 01:19:43< Elvish_Pillager> fabi: there are other things in WML where only the keys inside a tag are replaced, not the entire tag
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20090304 01:48:12< Elvish_Pillager> also: I really appreciate serious defeat excuses. LoW doesn't have them.
20090304 01:48:38< Elvish_Pillager> "Noooo we cannot continue without Landar" my ass.
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20090304 01:53:24< fabi> lol
20090304 01:54:19< Shadow_Master> :-D
20090304 01:54:46< Elvish_Pillager> I bet all the time over messages are "oh crap, enemy reinforcements are coming"
20090304 01:55:03< Shadow_Master> it should be "Oh, Landar, my love! And I didn't have the oportunity to tell you..."
20090304 01:55:07< Elvish_Pillager> just once I want a campaign that goes to lengths over these things
20090304 01:55:42< Elvish_Pillager> like when you lose on time, it goes into a whole giant epilogue scenario describing how defeat was assured by you being one turn late to a crucial battle later on...
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20090304 01:56:42< fabi> I liked the dialogue of the elfwar campaign very much. It was just great.
20090304 01:57:12< Elvish_Pillager> hmm, I just misread one of a dwarf's traits as "burly"
20090304 01:57:19< Elvish_Pillager> that should totally be a dwarf trait
20090304 01:58:26< fabi> indeed
20090304 01:59:03< Elvish_Pillager> oh sheeshnoth, I'm about one turn slow :(
20090304 01:59:13< Elvish_Pillager> okay let's read this defeat message
20090304 02:00:21< Elvish_Pillager> DEFEAT! You have been defeated.
20090304 02:00:46< fabi> Isn't it great?
20090304 02:00:54< Elvish_Pillager> So I take it a hand of god came out of the sky and was like, LOL kalenz you have been defeated!
20090304 02:01:06< Elvish_Pillager> You suck.
20090304 02:01:22< fabi> me?
20090304 02:01:29< Shadow_Master> nope.
20090304 02:01:30< Elvish_Pillager> No, Kalenz.
20090304 02:01:37< Elvish_Pillager> He's such a quitter.
20090304 02:01:42< Shadow_Master> And nope. That isn't what God said.
20090304 02:01:59< Shadow_Master> he said "LOL you elf n00b!" ^_^
20090304 02:02:01< Elvish_Pillager> That's the main effect of playing on Hard mode - you control a whole team of quitters.
20090304 02:02:35< Elvish_Pillager> I love the way Landar is so unimportant he doesn't even get his own last words
20090304 02:04:15< fabi> I hope that esr can be convinced to have a second look over the campaigns prosa.
20090304 02:04:24< Shadow_Master> damn, Firefox is stupid.
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20090304 02:23:29< Elvish_Pillager> oughtta be an independent standard for campaign difficulty. Like, so that one guy can't randomly label a level "nightmare" that's easier than another campaign's "hard",
20090304 02:24:55 * Shadow_Master hides.
20090304 02:25:54< Elvish_Pillager> ^_^
20090304 02:26:12< Elvish_Pillager> Hmm. Who's this Galtrid idiot and why is he keeping only 220 gold in an elvish stronghold?
20090304 02:26:42< Shadow_Master> he's... um, you know... a wimp.
20090304 02:27:07< Elvish_Pillager> A n00b.
20090304 02:27:59< Shadow_Master> all elves in LoW are the same.
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20090304 02:28:31< Elvish_Pillager> wow, I wasn't expecting a bad storyline, but I wasn't expecting it to be this bad either.
20090304 02:29:14< Elvish_Pillager> and the gameplay? two "elves in forest vs level 2 orcs" in the first three scenarios?
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20090304 02:33:20< Elvish_Pillager> oh, hey guys? today's National Dissing Legend of Wesmere day. Come join the fun!
20090304 02:35:06< Shadow_Master> Elvish_Pillager: wanna have more fun than that with LoW?
20090304 02:35:07< Elvish_Pillager> and what's with this "Hi, we're here to kill you all because we're Orcs/Trolls"? This campaign is so racist
20090304 02:35:19< Elvish_Pillager> shadow_master, what are you proposing?
20090304 02:35:47< Shadow_Master> let me find it ^_^
20090304 02:35:54< Elvish_Pillager> lol
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20090304 02:38:07< Shadow_Master> Elvish_Pillager: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=305165#p305165
20090304 02:38:16< Shadow_Master> August 27th, 2008. fabi should recall it.
20090304 02:38:22< Shadow_Master> ;-P
20090304 02:42:34< Elvish_Pillager> what's wrong with making the scenario ID and the user-visible scenario name different? I do that all the time (so that I don't have to name scenarios before writing them)
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20090304 02:43:57< Shadow_Master> it's not standard mainline practice.
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20090304 02:44:42< Elvish_Pillager> Sparring Eldred's life, awesome!
20090304 02:44:51< Elvish_Pillager> I'd totally spar with Eldred's life
20090304 02:51:46< fabi> Elvish_Pillager: Please write all you concerns with low down on the forum. We will see what we can improve.
20090304 02:52:37< Elvish_Pillager> nah.
20090304 02:53:23< fabi> why not?
20090304 02:53:44< Elvish_Pillager> I don't like the campaign at all. Apparently some people like it, but their tastes differ from mine, so how would my concerns help improve it for them?
20090304 02:54:31< fabi> All your issues seem valid for me so far. Please note them down.
20090304 02:55:21< Elvish_Pillager> where on the forum should I put them? the thread S_M linked to?
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20090304 02:57:16< Elvish_Pillager> fabi?
20090304 03:00:14< fabi> Elvish_Pillager: you put it there
20090304 03:01:07< fabi> or in some of them: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=22465
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20090304 03:20:27< Elvish_Pillage2> okay, http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=2911&p=343364#p343364
20090304 03:20:56< Elvish_Pillage2> now I go to bed.
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20090304 04:43:49< [Relic]> Hello :)
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