--- Log opened Sat Mar 07 00:00:58 2009
20090307 00:00:59 * Elvish_Pillager is playing THoT on "Hard", which is astronomically less hard than LoW's "Hard".
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20090307 00:14:27< Elvish_Pillager> This is probably mainly because the protagonists of THoT are Dwarves. It is impossible to design a hard scenario for dwarves.
20090307 00:15:23< Elvish_Pillager> I guess maybe if you use a lot of water...
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20090307 00:23:55< Ivanovic> n8
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20090307 00:37:36< faryshta> Hi. Is the guy who wrote IftU online?
20090307 00:37:57< faryshta> I just want to know if there will be a continuation of the saga and if he can use some help.
20090307 00:38:05< Elvish_Pillager> Shadow_Master does not appear to be online
20090307 00:38:14< Elvish_Pillager> he intends to continue the saga
20090307 00:38:41< faryshta> Thanks. How can I make the offer for help?
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20090307 00:38:56< faryshta> I am a programmer and understand the wml.
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20090307 00:53:57< Dragonking> faryshta: Look for Shadow_Master, he often is here
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20090307 00:55:07< faryshta> Hey Shadow_Master I would like to help on the UtbS-IftU saga.
20090307 00:55:13< Dragonking> Shadow_Master: Speak to me when you want to have better formula AI compatibile with trunk :)
20090307 00:55:34< Shadow_Master> Dragonking: uh? what is the context of this suggestion?
20090307 00:55:43< faryshta> jajaja.
20090307 00:56:01< Shadow_Master> faryshta: speak.
20090307 00:56:15< Dragonking> Shadow_Master: I fixed some bugs, and I cna improve your formula a bit, in a way it works with trunk, but not with 1.5.12
20090307 00:57:16< faryshta> Shadow_Master, I am a programmer. Understand the wml and would like to volunteer to continue iftu saga or help the current releases.
20090307 00:58:00< Shadow_Master> faryshta: <- #wesnoth-umc-dev
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20090307 05:05:59< emma> Heya aanderse 
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20090307 05:42:17< Blueblaze> Hey [Relic]!
20090307 05:43:04< [Relic]> Hello :)
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20090307 10:08:43< Guest5691> gentoo is dead - http://www.hiphop.de/community/topic.php?bwthreadid=70806
20090307 10:08:48< Guest5691> take archlinux!
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20090307 10:24:31< Ivanovic> moin
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20090307 10:54:07< martin3z> hi
20090307 10:56:01< martin3z>  is there any easy campain add-on? i'v lost many campaings because too big difficulties. i want try from easy one, but even campaing marked as 'easy' is hard on next levels
20090307 10:57:15< Soliton> are you playing the campaigns also on the easiest difficulty level?
20090307 10:57:51< Soliton> i'm not sure if there are user made campaigns specifically for new players.
20090307 10:58:45< martin3z> i tried few camapaings is easiest ifficulty levels, but for example after 10 scenarios i'v lost, without idea to move on
20090307 10:58:48< Soliton> but the south guard or an orcish incursion should really be beginner friendly on the easiest difficulty.
20090307 10:59:10< martin3z> ok, i'll try it
20090307 10:59:34< Soliton> good news an orcish incursion has only 7 scenarios! :-P
20090307 10:59:35< Ivanovic> the southguard, a tale of two brothers and an orcish incursion should all be winnable on the easies difficulty
20090307 11:00:04< Ivanovic> that is: two brothers just has 4 scenarios and the south guard just around 10
20090307 11:00:42< Unnheulu> L and tale of two brothers are the only ones ive won
20090307 11:00:44< Unnheulu> xD
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20090307 11:00:49< Soliton> also make sure that you play on the latest 1.5 version and if you still have difficulties describe them here and we can tweak the campaign further.
20090307 11:01:20< Unnheulu> i havnt tried OI since 1.3.?8 though
20090307 11:01:24< martin3z> i'm waiting for stable 1.6, is this 1.5 safe and stable?
20090307 11:01:30< Unnheulu> yes
20090307 11:01:40< Soliton> well, it's soon to be 1.6 so yeah.
20090307 11:01:55< martin3z> needed compilation, or there are packages for 1.5?
20090307 11:01:57< Unnheulu> 1.5.9 works great, and even more bugs were fixed in 1.5.10
20090307 11:02:02< Unnheulu> what OS?
20090307 11:02:07< martin3z> debian sid
20090307 11:02:09< Unnheulu> (or distro)
20090307 11:02:10< Unnheulu> ok
20090307 11:02:12< Unnheulu> I think so
20090307 11:02:19< Unnheulu> but its easy enough
20090307 11:02:50< martin3z> i heard that some changes in difficulties was made, true?
20090307 11:02:57< Ivanovic> latest is always in experimental
20090307 11:03:09< Unnheulu> 1.5.12?
20090307 11:03:15< Unnheulu> i tohught it was 1.5.10
20090307 11:03:34< martin3z> i have 1.4.7
20090307 11:03:45< Ivanovic> no, latest is 1.5.12 (also known as release candidate 1 for 1.6)
20090307 11:03:56< martin3z> ok, i'll try it
20090307 11:04:11< martin3z> and many thanks for help in campaings, i'll try game
20090307 11:04:29< Ivanovic> and don't forget to play the tutorial first
20090307 11:04:41< Ivanovic> since it explains the basics and *is* required to get an idea about stuff
20090307 11:05:08 * martin3z going to crush all orcs in "orcish incrusion"
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20090307 11:37:31< muhaa3> a new movie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzIO3c9fBbg&feature=channel
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20090307 12:34:36< lnxbil> Hi everybody
20090307 12:35:43< lnxbil> Is there a simple way to play a multiplayer campaign in wesnoth stable? I find it quite confusing whats stated in the forums and there is also a lot of old stuff around.
20090307 12:38:36< Soliton> download world conquest and start playing.
20090307 12:38:49< Soliton> there is no reason to still use 1.4 though.
20090307 12:40:11< lnxbil> How to play in a multiplayer game. Thats exactly the question. I can only select simple maps in the multiplayer screen
20090307 12:40:41< lnxbil> I read that 1.6 in on the way and i'm looking forward to it
20090307 12:41:44< Soliton> you can select any maps/scenarios you have installed in the multiplayer screen.
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20090307 12:43:21< lnxbil> Soliton: Unbelievable, your're right. Sorry. I missed it
20090307 12:43:23< lnxbil> thank you
20090307 12:43:29< lnxbil> cya
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20090307 16:31:58< Elvish_Pillager> this is why I love Wesnoth:
20090307 16:32:07< Elvish_Pillager> my Dwarvish Thunderguard almost died to a ridiculous run of bad luck
20090307 16:32:20< Elvish_Pillager> then I rescued it via a ridiculous run of good luck
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20090307 18:30:02< MeszarosTomi> hello
20090307 18:30:13< Blueblaze> hello MeszarosTomi
20090307 18:31:13< MeszarosTomi> 1.6 version when realised?
20090307 18:31:54< Blueblaze> 1.6 release candidate was released March 2, 2009
20090307 18:32:15< thespaceinvader> MeszarosTomi: http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/Wesnoth1.6ReleasePlan
20090307 18:32:29< MeszarosTomi> full version?
20090307 18:33:20< MeszarosTomi> march 15
20090307 18:33:23< MeszarosTomi> ok
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20090307 18:41:32< MeszarosTomi> Supported Vista64 bit ?
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20090307 18:43:33< MeszarosTomi> :)
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20090307 19:06:35< Grant-A> what is the command to invoke the map editor?
20090307 19:07:42< Grant-A> nevermind
20090307 19:07:45< Grant-A> I found it >.<
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20090307 22:38:49< Zen_Clark> Why hasn
20090307 22:39:35< Zen_Clark> *Why has no one ever worked on improving the art in the Rise of Wesnoth campaign?
20090307 22:40:12< Rhonda> Because we all waited for you to come and do it.
20090307 22:40:45< Blueblaze2> Aww Rhonda, that's so sweet of us
20090307 22:41:23< thespaceinvader> To not be facetious, because we, the game's artists have other priorities
20090307 22:42:05< Zen_Clark> ... Why is it not a priority? It seems to be just as much of a core area as the ports'.
20090307 22:42:07< thespaceinvader> the art in tRoW is of perfectly acceptable quality, albeit of slightly non-canon style, and we're happy to leave it in place as is
20090307 22:42:17< Zen_Clark> O.k.
20090307 22:42:42< thespaceinvader> the stylistic considerations are less strict for campaigns
20090307 22:42:59< thespaceinvader> as long as all the portraits share one style, it's generally OK for them to not be canon style
20090307 22:43:10< Zen_Clark> Ah, I thought the art standards were a static bar.
20090307 22:43:25< Blueblaze2> Aka, there isn't enough good portrait artists to do everything at once
20090307 22:43:55< thespaceinvader> of course, we'd love it if they were, but we have a grand total of 4 artists on board who can currently produce reliably canon styled, mainline quality portraits, and we're all very, very busy
20090307 22:44:02 * zookeeper wonders what "art" he even means
20090307 22:44:09< thespaceinvader> the mainline generic portrait project is a priority
20090307 22:44:27< Zen_Clark> That provide the most widespead gain?
20090307 22:44:35< thespaceinvader> zookeeper: there are a few portraits in there still aren't there?
20090307 22:44:46< thespaceinvader> Zen_Clark: basically
20090307 22:45:01< thespaceinvader> they go in the help, and can be used in dialogue in all situations
20090307 22:45:11< thespaceinvader> rather than campaign specific ones
20090307 22:45:22< Zen_Clark> O.k.
20090307 22:46:06< thespaceinvader> some campaigns do get large volumes of work done on them, often by artists who aren't up to the mainline quality/style yet (my own introduction to said style was doing the SotBE portraits)
20090307 22:46:28< thespaceinvader> but usually, once they're done, they don't get much further work done
20090307 22:46:56< thespaceinvader> that being said, fixing one particular campaign's portraits is high up on my todo list, but it's not the one you suggest
20090307 22:47:08< Zen_Clark> Fair enough.
20090307 22:49:28< thespaceinvader> to get back to the original question, if you're capable of improving on the tRoW artwork, you're eminently welcome to do so
20090307 22:49:37< thespaceinvader> we're always looking for new artists...
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20090307 22:50:49< Zen_Clark> I'm not a artist myself. The most I can do is storyline/writting and simple scripting and programing.
20090307 22:50:56< Zen_Clark> *Writing
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20090307 22:53:18< [Relic]> Hello :)
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20090307 22:56:01< Blueblaze2> [Relic] :)
20090307 22:56:21< [Relic]> :)
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20090307 22:59:05< Zen_Clark> Does the Wesnoth project have any long term interest in any type of canon(ish) presence in another form of media? (Book/story/animation/mud/misc./ etc...)
20090307 22:59:30< zookeeper> no, at least not currently.
20090307 22:59:53< zookeeper> (referring to interest, not presence, of course)
20090307 23:00:14< Zen_Clark> O.k.
20090307 23:00:35< thespaceinvader> though as ever, you're welcome to make such things, though i think you'd have to release derivative works under GPL, even if you're just using story
20090307 23:00:42< thespaceinvader> not certain - IANAL
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20090307 23:02:47< Zen_Clark> Was just thinking that something of the likes of a pure storyline entity would provide a more stable groundwork for campaigns and other things of the likes. The wiki just seems a little bare of information not relating to the game mechanics or WML.
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20090307 23:04:03< thespaceinvader> if you mean in terms of how to write a good campaign story, i think esr wrote an article on that
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20090307 23:04:59< Zen_Clark> Nah, not writing a good campaign story, just having something to write _about_.
20090307 23:05:36< thespaceinvader> ah right
20090307 23:06:03< thespaceinvader> most campaign authors have their own stories - you'd be better writing such a thing directly as a campaign to be honest...
20090307 23:06:26< zookeeper> have you played all the mainline campaigns?
20090307 23:08:08< Zen_Clark> I'm not really good at the campaigns (Never completed one before), or playing against humans. I just like world building and technical-natured things... Even if I'm not really good at them.
20090307 23:08:20< zookeeper> i mean, most of the history details and other storyline stuff buried inside all the campaigns.
20090307 23:08:24< zookeeper> +is
20090307 23:08:48< thespaceinvader> yeah - to get a real hang of the world, the campaigns are your only real option...
20090307 23:09:01< thespaceinvader> thoguh most of the information is recorded elsewhere
20090307 23:09:15< Zen_Clark> O.k. No one tried compiling it all in detail on the wiki?
20090307 23:09:19< zookeeper> sure, all the major stuff is on the history timeline page
20090307 23:12:37< Elvish_Pillage2> wow, THoT has no plot
20090307 23:13:59< Elvish_Pillage2> and mediocre gameplay, but that's par for the course in a Dwarf campaign
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20090307 23:14:04< zookeeper> TRoW has no plow / LoW has no wow
20090307 23:14:12< Elvish_Pillage2> lol :)
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20090307 23:14:57< Elvish_Pillage2> UtBS has no pubs? ;)
20090307 23:15:15< zookeeper> TB has no...wee-wee?
20090307 23:16:02 * Elvish_Pillage2 just quit at Forbidden Forest
20090307 23:16:19< Elvish_Pillage2> "How did the guys we just fought get past this forest, eh?"
20090307 23:16:38< zookeeper> they took some gryphons and flew over it, obviously.
20090307 23:16:42< zookeeper> not everyone's as smart.
20090307 23:16:49< Elvish_Pillage2> lol
20090307 23:16:53< zookeeper> in fact, most people in wesnoth aren't ;)
20090307 23:17:03< Elvish_Pillage2> we only have one gryphon anyway
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20090307 23:18:12< Elvish_Pillage2> ...why don't we chill on the previous map for a few more turns, so that we can bring an actual army? Making Hard hard by making it a 5-recalls-per-scenario campaign is not fun.
20090307 23:19:13< zookeeper> that would make a great story scenario. you face a huge enemy army blocking your path, have your usual cliche dialogues, and then someone gets the great idea of hopping on your gryphons and flying to the next scenario, and there you go.
20090307 23:19:21< Elvish_Pillage2> :)
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20090307 23:20:25< zookeeper> heck, we could do that in HttT. if you save the gryphs in gryphon mountain and never attack one, you're supposed to get some not-yet-implemented bonus. maybe the bonus could be that the gryphs come and carry you over the test of the clans :P
20090307 23:20:32< Elvish_Pillage2> :D
20090307 23:20:56< Elvish_Pillage2> hmm
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20090307 23:21:15< Elvish_Pillage2> wouldn't it be better to skip that one north scenario where you have to run to the east end of the map?
20090307 23:21:39< Elvish_Pillage2> plot-wise anyway. The test of the clans is a test, after all. That scenario really is a matter of transportation.
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20090307 23:22:37< Elvish_Pillage2> you'd miss the fun of plowing through the orcs with a giant army, but hey, you can always plan for that by attacking the gryphons :P
20090307 23:23:42< zookeeper> well, maybe the gryphons should just give you a whistle which you can use to skip over any scenario, but only once.
20090307 23:25:43< Elvish_Pillage2> that only makes sense for the "journeying" scenarios, though
20090307 23:26:09< Elvish_Pillage2> none of the cave scenarios, not the final scenario, not the Test of the Clan...
20090307 23:26:33< Elvish_Pillage2> probably not Dwarven Doors either
20090307 23:26:33< zookeeper> of course.
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