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20090319 01:16:24< Blueblaze_> grr
20090319 01:16:46< Blueblaze_> Windows died on my laptop, I may have to install Linux or something :X
20090319 01:16:57< grzywacz> Blueblaze_, sounds are loaded when they are played for the first time
20090319 01:17:42< Blueblaze_> grzywacz, thanks, I'll have to postpone that until I can figure out how to install another OS on my computer
20090319 01:17:57< Blueblaze_> Since, Windows basically died with a problem that can't be fixed without paying money
20090319 01:18:36< grzywacz> Ubuntu is like 7 clicks from boot to completed install.
20090319 01:18:48< Blueblaze_> How is the functionality of it?
20090319 01:18:58< grzywacz> The best Linux for desktop, imo.
20090319 01:19:01< Blueblaze_> ok
20090319 01:19:09< Blueblaze_> grzywacz, is that what you have?
20090319 01:19:13< grzywacz> Nope.
20090319 01:19:17< grzywacz> But my father has it. ;)
20090319 01:19:26< Blueblaze_> ah
20090319 01:19:38< Blueblaze_> Well I haven't got a clue n how to install it
20090319 01:19:57< grzywacz> Set boot from cdrom in bios, click next, next, next, ..., profit
20090319 01:20:00< Blueblaze_> And is it possible to install it without a CD rom drive, just USB?
20090319 01:20:07< grzywacz> if you can boot from usb
20090319 01:20:09< grzywacz> then probably yes
20090319 01:20:25< grzywacz> haven't tried that though
20090319 01:20:30< grzywacz> you can order a free CD :P
20090319 01:20:40< Blueblaze_> yeah but that won't get me on by tonight :P
20090319 01:20:45< grzywacz> nope
20090319 01:20:55< grzywacz> no friends to download&burn it for you?
20090319 01:21:15< grzywacz> oh btw.
20090319 01:21:21< Blueblaze_> oh wait
20090319 01:21:23< grzywacz> do you want to preserver your data on the laptop?
20090319 01:21:27< grzywacz> *preserve
20090319 01:21:36< Blueblaze_> I might be able to download, put on usb, transfer to other computer, and burn
20090319 01:21:44< Blueblaze_> grzywacz, that'd be nice :P
20090319 01:21:47< grzywacz> ah
20090319 01:21:54< grzywacz> good that I asked then
20090319 01:21:55< grzywacz> :P
20090319 01:21:59< grzywacz> make a backup :P
20090319 01:22:11< grzywacz> or at least choose a partition that you can get rid off
20090319 01:22:13< grzywacz> or something
20090319 01:22:18< Dragonking> Why? Patrition manager in ubutu is doing well.
20090319 01:22:19< Dragonking> :)
20090319 01:22:29< grzywacz> Resizing NTFS?
20090319 01:22:30< grzywacz> :P
20090319 01:22:36< Dragonking> Details. ;p
20090319 01:23:56< grzywacz> Blueblaze_, the "saving data" part is going to be tricky unless you simply make a backup and restore it afterwards
20090319 01:24:15< grzywacz> I mean, you can't install Linux on a Windows partition, it has to be wiped out clean.
20090319 01:24:33< Blueblaze_> I see
20090319 01:24:42< Blueblaze_> So how do I backup the data?
20090319 01:24:49< Dragonking> What about booting OS from CD?
20090319 01:24:49< grzywacz> Transfer to another computer?
20090319 01:25:00< Dragonking> Can you try to fix your problem like that?
20090319 01:25:09< grzywacz> Windows from CD?
20090319 01:25:10< Blueblaze_> Dragonking, I don't have the Windows CD
20090319 01:25:11< grzywacz> ;-)
20090319 01:25:15< Dragonking> Linux from CD
20090319 01:25:20< Blueblaze_> I don't have a Linux CD :P
20090319 01:25:21< Dragonking> And then fix the problem.
20090319 01:25:25< grzywacz> haha
20090319 01:25:34< Blueblaze_> Dragonking, I can do the same thing with a USB drive though right?
20090319 01:25:42< Dragonking> Prolly
20090319 01:25:45< Dragonking> But not sure
20090319 01:25:46< grzywacz> Blueblaze_, you can run ubuntu from the CD without installing it; then you can use it like that to make a backup
20090319 01:25:59< Blueblaze_> http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Booting_from_USB#Boot_your_favorite_Linux
20090319 01:26:39< Blueblaze_> grzywacz, so is it possible to just run ubuntu from the CD, and save the wanted files to a USB?
20090319 01:26:47< Blueblaze_> and then just wipe it and install Ubuntu
20090319 01:26:48< grzywacz> Blueblaze_, sure
20090319 01:27:35< grzywacz> what hardware does your laptop run?
20090319 01:28:26< Blueblaze_> 2gb ddr2 ram, 1.4 ghz celeron processor, 40gb hd
20090319 01:28:37< Blueblaze_> and intel integrated video card
20090319 01:28:42< grzywacz> ah, intel
20090319 01:29:16< grzywacz> dunno about performance of the intel, but the rest sounds very reasonable...
20090319 01:29:52< Blueblaze_> Well it's able to run games like Morrowind
20090319 01:30:00< Blueblaze_> Warcraft 3, etc..
20090319 01:30:06< Blueblaze_> 915 I thnk is the series number
20090319 01:30:17< grzywacz> not sure if Intel drivers are that good on Linux tho
20090319 01:31:38< Blueblaze_> ah
20090319 01:31:58< grzywacz> Anyway, I'd love to help you, but I really have to go to bed now.
20090319 01:32:21< grzywacz> I'll be back online in 8:30 should you still need a helping hand. ;-)
20090319 01:32:24< grzywacz> night
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20090319 01:48:06< Blueblaze_> Anyone have any idea how big the Ubuntu download is?
20090319 01:48:17< Blueblaze_> For a CD image
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20090319 02:06:17< Adrian_Ag> hi all
20090319 02:07:34< Adrian_Ag> I have a problem: Im trying to install Wesnoth by the .deb file that is in http://download.tuxfamily.org/itwesnoth/debian/
20090319 02:08:25< Adrian_Ag> and the instalator says: Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: libboost-iostreams1.34.1, but I have already installed it!
20090319 02:08:46< Adrian_Ag> I use gNewSense (ubuntu 8.04)
20090319 02:10:53< Blueblaze_> 270mbs and still going
20090319 02:11:08< Blueblaze_> Adrian_Ag, how big is the dl for ubuntu 8.04?
20090319 02:11:37< Adrian_Ag> 215 mb
20090319 02:11:43< Blueblaze_> oh
20090319 02:11:48< Blueblaze_> im dling 8.10 and its at 283 bs
20090319 02:11:49< Blueblaze_> :P
20090319 02:11:56 * Blueblaze_ is waiting for it to finish
20090319 02:11:56< Adrian_Ag> umm
20090319 02:11:58< Blueblaze_> 283 mbs
20090319 02:12:18< Adrian_Ag> Im installing wesnoth-unstable_1.5.14-2~itwesnoth1_i386.deb
20090319 02:12:40< Blueblaze_> oh im referring to the download size of ubuntu itself
20090319 02:12:45< Blueblaze_> not Wesnoth for Ubuntu :P
20090319 02:13:10< Adrian_Ag> xD
20090319 02:13:21 * Blueblaze_ is dling Ubuntu cause Windows committed suicide tonight
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20090319 02:13:39< Blueblaze_> It's at 300mb but it doesn't say how much the total dl is
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20090319 02:27:46< keb> Blueblaze_ it will be about one full cd size maybe 670MB
20090319 02:28:16< Blueblaze_> okay
20090319 02:28:19< Blueblaze_> It's at 479bs
20090319 02:28:22< Blueblaze_> mbs
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20090319 02:43:28 * Tonepoet wipes brow
20090319 02:44:01< Tonepoet> Geeze, I thought that the villages down were going to do me in.
20090319 02:45:00< keb> never trust the partisans
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20090319 02:54:53< Tonepoet> Partisan parties have an agenda. The only reason to trick people is because you have an agenda you wish to achieve.
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20090319 02:55:43< keb> i use partisan in the sense that invading armies encounter armed locals and call thenm partisans ;)
20090319 02:56:04< keb> cuz they are loyal to their own agenda
20090319 02:56:06< keb> as you say
20090319 02:57:29< Tonepoet> Eh. I only ever hear the word partisan in the context of mediation and politics. I never bothered to look it up. I guess my greatest flaw is a lack of studious behavior.
20090319 02:57:43< Tonepoet> I'm more of a muser.
20090319 02:57:48< keb> my greatest flaw is i am easily distracted
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20090319 02:58:28< keb> wesnoth is a great distracter
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20090319 02:58:45< Tonepoet> Wescrack is distracting.
20090319 02:59:07 * Tonepoet pokes Law
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20090319 02:59:19< Tonepoet> I think that's short for Lawton...
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20090319 03:24:48< Zen_Clark> What is considered the most popular UMC single player campaign?
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20090319 03:43:23< Tonepoet> I would've said Under the Burning Suns a long time ago. I can't anymore though. =P
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20090319 03:45:35< keb> what do you say now
20090319 03:48:56< Tonepoet> I don't hear anybody talking about any UMC single player campaigns.
20090319 03:49:23< Blueblaze_> o o o
20090319 03:49:26< Blueblaze_> lets talk about mine
20090319 03:49:27< keb> what is UMC
20090319 03:49:35< Tonepoet> User Made Content.
20090319 03:49:42< keb> oic
20090319 03:50:25< keb> hmm i never tried any
20090319 03:50:53< keb> how do i find the Blueblaze_ campaign
20090319 03:54:16< Blueblaze_> keb, talk to the magic fairy on the otherside of the rainbow
20090319 03:54:21< Blueblaze_> and he'll give you instructions
20090319 03:54:25< keb> thanks
20090319 03:54:31< Blueblaze_> np :)
20090319 03:54:41< Blueblaze_> keb, look for information on it on the forums hopefully in a month or so
20090319 03:54:43 * keb goes off to find said creature
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20090319 04:18:38< Tonepoet> Hi JW.
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20090319 04:44:03< dfranke> gee, lovely bunch of players...  First my partner suicided his leader and quit, then my opponent, who was hosting, didn't give me control of his side and proceeded to continue to suicide the rest of my partner's units against his own.
20090319 04:46:12< keb> you expect fairness in war? lol
20090319 04:49:20< Tonepoet> Clearly it was a conspiracy.
20090319 04:49:44< Tonepoet> Your ally had nothing left to live for since his love died and wanted your inheritance to go to his children.
20090319 04:50:33< Tonepoet> Why would you leave anything to his children? 'cause he's your trustworthy ally. XP
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20090319 05:39:48< Adrian_Ag> hi
20090319 05:41:00< Adrian_Ag> Im trying to compile wesnoth 1.5.14 but falls in the ogg support, I have compiled SDL_Mixer with OGG support but ./configure doesnt recognize it
20090319 05:41:32< Adrian_Ag> I have compiled SDL_Mixer some times, Can this be a trouble?
20090319 05:42:08< dfranke> Adrian_Ag: try using the scons build system instead
20090319 05:42:25< dfranke> Adrian_Ag: autotools is still supported but slightly bitrotted.
20090319 05:43:39< Adrian_Ag> Checking for Ogg Vorbis support in SDL... no
20090319 05:43:51< Adrian_Ag> Client prerequisites are not met. wesnoth, cutter and exploder cannot be built.
20090319 05:44:11< Adrian_Ag> I have compiled SDL_Mixer with ogg support about 5 times
20090319 05:44:15< Adrian_Ag> and doesnt work
20090319 05:44:31< dfranke> this is on Linux?
20090319 05:44:36< Adrian_Ag> yes
20090319 05:44:40< Adrian_Ag> ubuntu 8.04
20090319 05:44:51< dfranke> any particular reason you're doing your own SDL_mixer compilation rather than using the .deb?
20090319 05:45:06< Adrian_Ag> because the .deb doesnt have ogg support
20090319 05:46:28< dfranke> dfranke@feanor:~/wesnoth$ ldd /usr/lib/libSDL_mixer-1.2.so.0.2.6
20090319 05:46:29< dfranke> ...
20090319 05:46:34< dfranke> libogg.so.0 => /usr/lib/libogg.so.0 (0x00007fce034ec000)
20090319 05:46:41< dfranke> that's on Debian Lenny.
20090319 05:47:01< dfranke> I'd be surprised if Ubuntu used a different package, but one sec and I'll check.
20090319 05:51:15< dfranke> Lenny uses 1.2.8-4, Hardy uses 1.2.8-1.  The only change related to Ogg in there is removing a useless -logg build flag, and that's present in mine and not in yours.  So if I have it you certainly do.
20090319 05:52:09< dfranke> (and probably a majority of devs are Ubuntu users, so if there were a problem here we'd likely have noticed)
20090319 05:52:20< Adrian_Ag> I have found the solution
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20090319 05:52:30< Adrian_Ag> installing the intrepix packages of sdl_mixer
20090319 05:52:45< Adrian_Ag> intrepid 
20090319 05:53:04< dfranke> k
20090319 05:53:10< Adrian_Ag> but thanks!
20090319 05:53:25< dfranke> np
20090319 05:55:30< Adrian_Ag> arg
20090319 05:55:34< Adrian_Ag> the problem stills
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20090319 05:55:35< Adrian_Ag> checking for OGG support in SDL_mixer... no
20090319 05:55:56< Adrian_Ag> I have installed the intrepid sdl_mixer  :S
20090319 05:56:40< jzmer> Hey, have we got some news about the 1.6 release? its almost "three days" after the annoucement of rc3 right now . . .
20090319 05:57:51< dfranke> jzmer: yes, it was tagged a few hours ago in svn.
20090319 05:58:03< Adrian_Ag> I have the library: libogg.so.0 => /usr/lib/libogg.so.0 (0xb77c1000)
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20090319 05:58:37< dfranke> Adrian_Ag: hmm
20090319 05:58:59< dfranke> Adrian_Ag: try apt-get build-dep wesnoth
20090319 05:59:08< Adrian_Ag> ok
20090319 05:59:09< jzmer> oh, thanks, dfranke, that would be a great news to be broadcasted into the world, I will start compiling the new release right away :)
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20090319 05:59:46< dfranke> jzmer: official release won't be until Sunday though
20090319 05:59:58< Adrian_Ag> dfranke:  I am compiling the 1.5.14 branch, not the stable
20090319 06:00:02< dfranke> jzmer: we're giving it a few days to make sure it doesn't catch on fire
20090319 06:00:27< dfranke> Adrian_Ag: I know, but dependencies haven't changed very much so that has a good chance of pulling in anything missing.
20090319 06:00:37< jzmer> dfranke: well, i have not heard anything bad about rc3 so far
20090319 06:01:31< dfranke> jzmer: AI has some issues but we've fixed the worst ones
20090319 06:02:12< dfranke> Adrian_Ag: there's also a recent 1.5 in Debian's 'experimental' repo, btw.
20090319 06:03:09< jzmer> dfranke: hmm, thanks for the information, i think, i will check with gna
20090319 06:03:22< dfranke> http://packages.qa.debian.org/w/wesnoth.html
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20090319 06:09:48< dfranke> Adrian_Ag: anyway, did build-dep want to install anything?
20090319 06:10:57< Adrian_Ag> yes
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20090319 06:11:07< Adrian_Ag> im downloading from debian experimental
20090319 06:11:14< Adrian_Ag> many thanks!
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20090319 07:13:31< dfranke> We have me, noy, jb.
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20090319 07:56:23< zookeeper> dfranke, i presume you don't need someone anymore?
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20090319 10:48:46< Ivanovic> moin
20090319 10:49:31< SynrG> morning
20090319 10:51:34< mazling> moo
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20090319 17:47:28< Blueblaze_> grzybacz, Oh I got Ubuntu to boot from a cd so I was able to save all the files on my harddrive
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20090319 18:38:41< jzmer> yesterday i downloaded and compiled r33849 tagged 1.6 from svn and it runs really great
20090319 18:43:07< jzmer> i am really glad to see that cmake is rising in popularity replacing autotools
20090319 18:44:12< elias> everyone who once had to spend hours installing 10 autotools versions and manually fixing configure scripts just to compile something probably is :)
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20090319 18:47:15< jzmer> not only efficienty, but the colored interface with progress bar as well
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20090319 21:44:17< keb> im using the scons because the cmake had bugs but maybe that is fixed now
20090319 21:44:34< keb> i find scons and cmake both slower than autotools based builds
20090319 21:44:50< Ivanovic> building is slower or the resulting product?
20090319 21:45:11< keb> building
20090319 21:45:20< keb> havent benchmarked the result
20090319 21:45:36< Ivanovic> in fact with cmake it should be faster at building since the "configure time" is by far faster done
20090319 21:46:00< Ivanovic> and the rest should not make much of a difference either
20090319 21:46:04< keb> hmm
20090319 21:46:37< Ivanovic> and: don't forget to use "make -jCPUS+1" to speed things up, too (if you got a multi cpu/core system that is)
20090319 21:47:14< keb> i have a celeron 1.7  should i use -jCPUS-0.5 ?
20090319 21:48:04< Ivanovic> you should either use no -j param or -j2
20090319 21:48:28< Ivanovic> as in: "make -j2" for building
20090319 21:48:41< keb> thanks
20090319 21:49:34< Ivanovic> (this is also possible with the old autotools build system, it just uses two threads for building in parallel
20090319 21:49:45< Ivanovic> with only one cpu it should not make a real difference though!)
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20090319 22:37:03< Adrian_Ag> hi all
20090319 22:37:20< Adrian_Ag> can I compile wesnoth 1.5.14 without ogg support in sdl_mixer?
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20090319 23:44:12< grzywacz> Blueblaze_, cool!
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20090319 23:57:11< Blueblaze_> grzywacz, anyway, I'm going to install it in a bit, Espreon is apparently a pro at this as he helped me last time recover the info on my hd
20090319 23:57:26< grzywacz> cool
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