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20090320 00:53:54< Sparks> wo..  lots of people here..
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20090320 00:57:37< Sparks_> hello?
20090320 01:00:10< Sparks_> how come no-one is chatting?
20090320 01:00:22< Blueblaze_> Sparks_, hi
20090320 01:00:29< Blueblaze_> We're busy doing other things most likely :P
20090320 01:00:30< Sparks_> o..
20090320 01:00:46< Sparks_> like playing wesnoth :)
20090320 01:00:50< Sparks_> ?
20090320 01:00:50< Blueblaze_> Like I'm in the process of buying a ukulele, microphone, and other recording equipment
20090320 01:00:58< Sparks_> o..
20090320 01:01:02< Blueblaze_> I'm pretty sure everyone in here likes Wesnoth to an extent :)
20090320 01:01:05< Sparks_> do u play?
20090320 01:01:06< Blueblaze_> Hence why we're here
20090320 01:01:16< Sparks_> ukelele I mean
20090320 01:03:32< Blueblaze_> Sparks_, ukulele? no
20090320 01:03:36< Blueblaze_> Guitar, yes
20090320 01:04:00< Sparks_> I play the piano :)
20090320 01:05:06< Blueblaze_> Ah, nice
20090320 01:05:13< Blueblaze_> I play a little piano too
20090320 01:05:18< Espreon> I play nothing. :)
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20090320 01:09:13< Blueblaze_> Yeah, I can play a little of everything with strings :P
20090320 01:09:17< Blueblaze_> and a lot of guitar
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20090320 01:10:57< Sparks_> Blueblaze_ : lol, see you later
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20090320 01:41:33< Ivanovic> n8
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20090320 02:08:18< [Relic]> Hello :)
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20090320 14:27:41< DeVilDeMonde> Could somebody tell the the path where wesnoth keeps saves on Linux?
20090320 14:27:55< Shadow_Master> $HOME/.wesnoth/saves
20090320 14:28:14< Shadow_Master> replace $HOME with the path to your home dir. I think some builds may use .wesnoth15 or so instead of .wesnoth, too
20090320 14:29:43< DeVilDeMonde> Shadow_Master: It's not there... :(
20090320 14:30:10< DeVilDeMonde> or if it is it's hidden
20090320 14:30:27< Rhonda> Shadow_Master: Well, for 1.4 and early that is true.
20090320 14:30:49< Shadow_Master> DeVilDeMonde: it is hidden of course. That's what the leading dot is for.
20090320 14:30:56< Rhonda> DeVilDeMonde: Depending on your version it might also be ~/.wesnoth1.5/saves or ~/.wesnoth1.6/saves
20090320 14:31:13< DeVilDeMonde> Shadow_Master: Ahhh I see I'm still Linux newcomer 
20090320 14:31:29< Shadow_Master> wesnoth --config-path   will show you the real path anyway
20090320 14:31:46< DeVilDeMonde> Rhonda: Thank you
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20090320 14:32:37< DeVilDeMonde> Let me grab my laptop and bring it in here... The reason I ask is I've been playing it on my laptop and well my desktop is my gaming rig, and I'd like to put my saves on my thumb drive and be able to bring them back and forth.
20090320 14:32:38< Rhonda> cd `wesnoth --config-path 2>/dev/null`
20090320 14:32:54 * Rhonda . o O ( why does that give version information on STDERR anyway? )
20090320 14:33:22< Shadow_Master> Rhonda: that will do a cd with no arguments
20090320 14:33:42< Shadow_Master> oh, wait. no, nvm. I'm a bash newbie still :-/
20090320 14:33:55< Rhonda> No, it won't.
20090320 14:34:13< Shadow_Master> I keep thinking that &> is the same as 2> for some reason :-/
20090320 14:35:09< DeVilDeMonde> Before i do that though, let me ask you two this, My desktop is a muti-boot machine running both Ubuntu, and Windoze (like I hinted at I'm a gamer). My Laptop on the other hand runs only Sabayon Linux, Will I have a problem in porting the saves cross platform?
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20090320 14:35:24< Shadow_Master> DeVilDeMonde: no.
20090320 14:35:41< DeVilDeMonde> Awesome! Thanks, lemme go grab the laptop!
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20090320 14:39:45< DeVilDeMonde> Ok got the laptop & foound the hidden .wesnoth folder with the saves in it... Is there any way I can set wesnoth to automatically save to the thumb drive in a config file somewhere, like this preferences file for instance?
20090320 14:40:39< Shadow_Master> wesnoth --config-dir
20090320 14:41:17< Shadow_Master> you'll have to make a "shortcut" with your desktop manager if you don't feel comfortable using a text console I guess
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20090320 14:42:24< DeVilDeMonde> I'm comfortable enough using a command prompt/console, just not familiar with linux commands... :-|
20090320 14:43:11< DeVilDeMonde> do I need su permissions for this?
20090320 14:44:14< Shadow_Master> no, and wesnoth isn't a linux command actually. Just create a directory in your thumb drive for wesnoth's preferences dir and pass its path like  wesnoth --config-dir /media/usb0/wesnoth
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20090320 14:47:02< SynrG> alternatively, symlink .wesnoth wherever you want to put it
20090320 14:47:33< SynrG> or symlink .wesnoth/saves
20090320 14:47:48< Ivanovic> even better: mount a dir on some server you got accesss to via sshfs as .wesnoth
20090320 14:47:59< SynrG> true
20090320 14:48:15< Ivanovic> then you can directly use the *exactly* same die on both machines, as long as the ssh connection to this server works
20090320 14:48:16< SynrG> and if it happens to not be mounted, it will fall back to a local version
20090320 14:48:17< Ivanovic> ^^
20090320 14:48:38< Ivanovic> (though this is clearly not a linux beginner solution!)
20090320 14:48:53< SynrG> however, the thumb drive is appealing because it allows for offline play
20090320 14:49:05 * Shadow_Master throws an axe at Ivanovic's bouncer
20090320 14:49:23< SynrG> but then there's always rsync to sync up with the server :)
20090320 14:49:34< Shadow_Master> oops. I hit something there...
20090320 14:49:49< Ivanovic> Shadow_Master: nah, you failed miserably
20090320 14:49:58< DeVilDeMonde> ROFL too bad my server is down for the count with leaking caps...
20090320 14:50:23< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: sure? I heard a hit sound :)
20090320 14:50:41< SynrG> btw, I'm finding 800x480 when my eee model 4G is not attached to an external monitor to be a pain
20090320 14:50:55< SynrG> the bottom of the gui gets truncated, so you lose any buttons on the bottom :p
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20090320 14:51:22< SynrG> you can start wesnoth in a vnc session, but then performance suffers.
20090320 14:51:44< SynrG> you can even start wesnoth in a vnc session and use krdc and scale 800x600 -> 800x480
20090320 14:52:09< SynrG> any chance wesnoth could be made to scale itself for such nonstandard displays?
20090320 14:52:10< Ivanovic> uhm, wesnoth in 800x480 is supposed to work "really nicely"
20090320 14:52:28< DeVilDeMonde> And believe it or not I actually understood the theory behind what you guys said... Just not the execution of it. I'm beginning to think it would be easier for me to just manually copy the files over each time...
20090320 14:52:32< SynrG> hmm, i must be doing something wrong (or maybe it just isn't supported in my version?)
20090320 14:52:54< SynrG> 1.4.7, sid
20090320 14:53:46< Ivanovic> SynrG: cf this video of 1.4.x on a pandora dev board, around 2:11 it starts: http://www.youtube.com/swf/l.swf?swf=http%3A//s.ytimg.com/yt/swf/cps-vfl84386.swf&video_id=spIcUPsLvZA&rel=0&eurl=http%3A//today.openpandora.org/&iurl=http%3A//i4.ytimg.com/vi/spIcUPsLvZA/hqdefault.jpg&sk=4Q8EKuGLlyBhuG-CFEHGOcdFm6OWOZPdC&fs=1&hl=en&iv_load_policy=3&color1=006699&color2=54abd6&border=0&showsearch=0&autoplay=0&cr=US&avg_rating=5.0&length_
20090320 14:53:47< Ivanovic> seconds=274&allow_ratings=1&title=Pandora%20Devboard%3A%20MPlayer%2C%20PicoDrive%2C%20Quake%201%20a...
20090320 14:54:10< Ivanovic> okay, this url is easier: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spIcUPsLvZA
20090320 14:54:13< DeVilDeMonde> Actually i think the easiest method for me is to simply copy the entire saves folder. Thus saving me the extra steps of manually moving each file...
20090320 14:54:22< Ivanovic> for 1.4.x you need a compile time parameter
20090320 14:54:51< Ivanovic> that is: --enable-small-gui at compile time
20090320 14:55:04< Ivanovic> in 1.5.x (and thus 1.6 and later) this is not required anymore
20090320 14:55:29< Ivanovic> there the starttime param --small-gui (or something like this) should do the trick
20090320 14:55:56< SynrG> ahhh, crap. ok, that would be why, then.
20090320 14:56:07< SynrG> probably 1.4.7 in sid doesn't have this.
20090320 14:56:18< Ivanovic> but i think Rhonda directly has this enabled in the debian build
20090320 14:56:22< SynrG> really?
20090320 14:56:28 * SynrG hmms
20090320 14:56:28< Ivanovic> not sure though, you would have to ask Rhonda yourself
20090320 14:56:33< Rhonda> What enabled?
20090320 14:56:39< Ivanovic> if not, there should not be an option to start with 800x480
20090320 14:56:39< SynrG> --enable-small-gui
20090320 14:56:40< Ivanovic> ;)
20090320 14:56:44< Rhonda> SynrG: Just uploaded 1.6a to incoming.
20090320 14:56:49< SynrG> i did start with 800x480, fullscreen ...
20090320 14:57:05< Rhonda> Ivanovic: Erm, beg your pardon, smallgui was deprecated?!
20090320 14:57:09< SynrG> and what i got was fullscreen, but the buttons fall off the bottom.
20090320 14:57:11< Ivanovic> Rhonda: in 1.4.x
20090320 14:57:19< Rhonda> Ah, no
20090320 14:57:27< Rhonda> SynrG: Extra binary. wesnoth-smallgui
20090320 14:57:33< SynrG> ohhh
20090320 14:57:37< DeVilDeMonde> Rhonda: Thanks for helping me find the saves folder in Linux. Now i need to find it in Windoze, That I can do myself.
20090320 14:58:11< SynrG> Rhonda: i totally didn't notice that :p
20090320 14:58:14< SynrG> thanks :)
20090320 14:58:54< SynrG> looks perfect. awesome :)
20090320 15:00:52< DeVilDeMonde> The only problem with the Windoze PC is searching through 750gigs of storage...
20090320 15:01:00< DeVilDeMonde> ROFL
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20090320 15:01:48< SynrG> DeVilDeMonde: C:\Documents and Settings\username\.wesnoth or something?
20090320 15:01:49 * SynrG shrugs
20090320 15:02:32< SynrG> it can be often quicker to look in the *expected* location first than to use "Find"
20090320 15:02:44< DeVilDeMonde> SynrG: No dice in that directory, and I can see all hidden files and folders. I'm sure it will probably be in it's install directory...
20090320 15:02:47< SynrG> either that, or use some indexer package
20090320 15:03:09< Ivanovic> DeVilDeMonde: it is either in some "game/" folder in your windows userdata / own files folder
20090320 15:03:12< SynrG> not sure what the standard/best-of-class is for windows
20090320 15:03:20< Ivanovic> or right in the install folder in the folder userdata/
20090320 15:03:27< DeVilDeMonde> Yup here it is... D:\Program Files\Wesnoth 1.4.7\userdata\saves
20090320 15:03:55< SynrG> eh, user data in \Program Files? that seems ... wonky
20090320 15:04:11< Rhonda> DeVilDeMonde: I would expect wesnoth --config-path to work on windows, too ...
20090320 15:04:14< Ivanovic> SynrG: and this is changed for the 1.6 lines...
20090320 15:04:15< Rhonda> ... started from cmd.exe
20090320 15:04:21< DeVilDeMonde> SynrG: Typical of windoze game installs though...
20090320 15:04:25< SynrG> :P
20090320 15:04:44< Ivanovic> that is: the fallback to the program files dir is still available (IIRC)
20090320 15:04:58< Ivanovic> Rhonda: i would not expect this since >1 path is searched IIRC
20090320 15:05:24< Ivanovic> Rhonda: and with vista things get even stranger since vista does some strange stuff if you want to store "userdata" inside a programs folder
20090320 15:05:44< DeVilDeMonde> Ivanovic: We won't even get started on Vista....
20090320 15:05:50< Ivanovic> it has some automatic redirection stuff, no idea how it exactly works, something was written in the forums from some people with vista having problems to find it
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20090320 15:06:19< Ivanovic> DeVilDeMonde: i am not really using windows for a long time by now and i don't miss it...
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20090320 15:06:47< Ivanovic> so i won't be of any help in this area, i can just say what i eg read in the forums (and i have not paid too much attention)
20090320 15:07:15< DeVilDeMonde> Ivanovic: Yeah it's just too bad more of the big gaming hardware/software companies don't jump on board the Linux bus...
20090320 15:07:33< Ivanovic> DeVilDeMonde: to be honest, this is their problem, not mine
20090320 15:07:46< Ivanovic> if they want to sell me a game, i expect a native version or i don't consider it
20090320 15:08:38< DeVilDeMonde> Ivanovic: We might be seeing more of it now, with Vista being such a colossal flop, and 7 supposedly being based off a Unix type kernel 
20090320 15:08:53< DeVilDeMonde> Rumors are steam has a native client in the mix.
20090320 15:09:06< Ivanovic> ah, so far those rumors are old
20090320 15:09:25< Ivanovic> and everything so far only hints into the direction that this is basically just server side stuff
20090320 15:10:06< DeVilDeMonde> Maybe, but they have an open Linux Developers section in their forums now... and had an add out for Linux devs
20090320 15:10:13< Ivanovic> (at least that is my conclusion from reading stuff at phoronix and michaellarabell has not shared any other info with me, that is so far valve has said nothing officially about a linux port either)
20090320 15:10:35< Ivanovic> the open position was basically serverside stuff
20090320 15:10:54< DeVilDeMonde> Bummer... Oh well it works great in Wine-Doors
20090320 15:10:56< Ivanovic> at least those were the competences required, stuff you need to write/port game servers to linux based machines
20090320 15:11:09 * Ivanovic does not consider wine *at all* when buying games
20090320 15:11:43< Ivanovic> since if things do not work the companies will just end with "hey, this is not a supported platform, we do not care!"
20090320 15:12:21< Ivanovic> if the companies announced their official support via such a wrapper like wine, it would be different
20090320 15:13:47< DeVilDeMonde> Ivanovic: This is why i haven't made the complete transition from Windoze to Linux yet, and unfortunately being a tech 99.99% of my calls are Windoze related, thus I'm kinda forced in that way too, even if I do make the complete transition and get all my games running in Linux, my customers will be another story... Hell most of them with new laptops have already caved to Vista resignedly
20090320 15:14:28< Smar> Ivanovic: only, if those companies really supports their game on wine... announcement isn’t nice if it doesn’t work
20090320 15:15:14< Ivanovic> Smar: if they print it on the box of the game it counts as "advertised" and thus can be "forced to get"
20090320 15:15:53< Ivanovic> Smar: it is at least a whole lot different if an official representative of a company states the support for something in an official announcement
20090320 15:16:00< Ivanovic> or if it "just miracly works"
20090320 15:16:05< DeVilDeMonde> Cedega seems to hold promise, but... then you have to pay to play your games you already paid for, on a community supported open soured OS running a closed sourced licensed program...
20090320 15:16:12< Ivanovic> since the first thing requires that it at least was somehow tested
20090320 15:16:58< DeVilDeMonde> Bah the gaming industry baffles me...
20090320 15:17:17< Ivanovic> DeVilDeMonde: i have no problem with buying closed software and running it on linux
20090320 15:17:25< DeVilDeMonde> Thank God for games like Wesnoth that just make sense...
20090320 15:17:35< Ivanovic> if the company behind it also officially stands behind this support
20090320 15:17:51< Ivanovic> eg i bought ankh1 and 2, since they are well done, ported and work
20090320 15:17:56< DeVilDeMonde> Ivanovic: True but with cedega we are talking about semi-annual subscription fees...
20090320 15:17:58< Ivanovic> the same about several games from id software
20090320 15:18:08< Ivanovic> there are native versions and those work
20090320 15:18:12< DeVilDeMonde> A different creature entirely
20090320 15:18:27< Ivanovic> DeVilDeMonde: for me cedega is the same area as wine, it is some "unofficial support from an outside company"
20090320 15:19:37< DeVilDeMonde> Ivanovic: Very true, but with that at least you know you have a company you are paying to make sure it works, the downer, as i said is Semi-annual fees...
20090320 15:19:55< SynrG> make sure? i am sure there are no guarantees.
20090320 15:20:29< DeVilDeMonde> SynrG: Actually they have a list of "certified" games
20090320 15:20:43< Ivanovic> since the support is far from "official" and just someone providing a wrapper to run something on a platform it was never intended on, is nothing i really prefer myself
20090320 15:21:25< SynrG> DeVilDeMonde: and if a certified game breaks on your particular system but not on other people's systems? what level of support do you get for it?
20090320 15:22:30< DeVilDeMonde> SynrG: As i'm not a subscriber, due to the fees required just to play games i already own, i can't attest to that with 100% accuracy... :( I.E. I just don't know..
20090320 15:23:27< Ivanovic> DeVilDeMonde: like i said, i simply won't support a publisher/producer with my money if they don't officially state support of the operating system of my choice, simple as that
20090320 15:23:48< Ivanovic> beside this games ported over to other platforms often tend to be less buggy
20090320 15:23:52< SynrG> what little i've dabbled with windows systems, i'm horrified by the lack of anything like a consistent development environment moving from one machine to another. it seems like to get anything done you need all kinds of third-party stuff.  it must be horrendous to support across all the variations of windows out there, modulo all of the third-party things people might have on their systems.
20090320 15:23:53< Ivanovic> cf neverwinter nights
20090320 15:24:05< Ivanovic> the first part was quite okay and not too buggy
20090320 15:24:10< DeVilDeMonde> Ivanovic: Completely understandable...
20090320 15:24:20< Ivanovic> was ported to linux afteer a while and worked well, no matter if under linux or windows
20090320 15:24:31< Ivanovic> on the other hand part 2 was, from what i heard, completely buggy
20090320 15:24:53< Ivanovic> no wonder that there was no port, would probably have been to difficult to get the code clean enough that it is in fact portable...
20090320 15:25:08< DeVilDeMonde> SynrG: You have no idea how much of a headache Supporting microsoft has become in the past 2-3 Years...
20090320 15:27:24< DeVilDeMonde> As far as what Transgaming says regarding support via membership/subscription it's this... "Top Tier Technical Service and Technical Support! " What that means seems to be quite open to interpretation...
20090320 15:28:45< DeVilDeMonde> Which is again, One of the reasons i haven't completely made the transition yet, I want to be able to play Starcraft II and Diablo III when they come out...
20090320 15:29:49 * DeVilDeMonde hangs head
20090320 15:29:58< DeVilDeMonde> Oh the tangled web we weave...
20090320 15:30:02 * Ivanovic hopes that blizzard will support linux natively
20090320 15:30:28< Ivanovic> they do support osx and the step in work to eg "official ubuntu support" is rather small nowadays
20090320 15:30:38< DeVilDeMonde> Ivanovic: if they were considering we'd have already seen a native port of WoW
20090320 15:30:53< Ivanovic> inhouse they *have* a native linux version of wow
20090320 15:31:10< Ivanovic> this i know from sam latinga (the sdl lead dev, working for blizzard)
20090320 15:31:35< DeVilDeMonde> After all that right now is their money train :( Yet i still have to play WoW on linux via Wine...
20090320 15:32:44< DeVilDeMonde> Ivanovic: Good now let them release the damn thing, and watch how many people grab the native Linux client.
20090320 15:33:06< Ivanovic> i don't think they will make it public ever
20090320 15:33:24< Ivanovic> though they might make a public version of the linux binary of sc2 or diablo3
20090320 15:33:43< Ivanovic> from the adoption of those they might reconsider regarding wow
20090320 15:34:31< DeVilDeMonde> We can only hope, Tough the Linux community still has to make some massive ID10T user improvements...
20090320 15:35:02< DeVilDeMonde> Windows is so successful because it hold your hand the whole way...
20090320 15:35:14< DeVilDeMonde> Linux you actually have to learn things to use it.
20090320 15:35:37< DeVilDeMonde> For instance...
20090320 15:36:00< DeVilDeMonde> Like i said this desktop is multi-boot with Ubuntu and XP Pro
20090320 15:36:16< DeVilDeMonde> But my laptop is running Sabayon
20090320 15:36:33< DeVilDeMonde> Why 2 different flavors of Linux?
20090320 15:36:37< Ivanovic> uhm, i have to disagree a little with you
20090320 15:36:59< DeVilDeMonde> Wait hear me out.
20090320 15:37:13< Ivanovic> some years ago their was some study testing if "complete computer noobs" were easier familiar with using linux or with using windows
20090320 15:37:30< Ivanovic> in this study linux was easier for them to use
20090320 15:37:41< DeVilDeMonde> Sabayon, my preferred distro both ran and installed flawlessly on my laptop.
20090320 15:38:09< DeVilDeMonde> However it refused to work properly with the ATI drivers on my desktop.
20090320 15:38:56< DeVilDeMonde> Ubuntu on the other hand both ran and installed flawlessly on my desktop, but not the laptop with the Nvidia Drivers...
20090320 15:39:37< DeVilDeMonde> Now I know i could have messed with a few settings for a few hours and got either working on both, but why waste that extra time?
20090320 15:39:40< Ivanovic> you see, and here for "normal end users" preinstalled linux systems come into play, the OEMs there do test if it does work or nit
20090320 15:40:01< SynrG> in a world where both ATI and Nvidia actively obstruct making open source drivers, it's no wonder there are these hassles.
20090320 15:40:02< Ivanovic> which "normal end user" that is not an enthusiast so far installed a windows on his computer "all by himself"?
20090320 15:40:09< SynrG> this is not the fault of "the linux community"
20090320 15:40:14< SynrG> it is the vendors.
20090320 15:40:19< Ivanovic> SynrG: ati does not obstruct producing an open driver anymore
20090320 15:40:27< SynrG> Ivanovic: i know that, but historically.
20090320 15:40:29< Ivanovic> they actually help a lot by providing the specs
20090320 15:40:36< SynrG> so we have the mess today that DeVilDeMonde describes
20090320 15:40:48< SynrG> and we're still not out of the woods yet with ATI
20090320 15:41:07< DeVilDeMonde> Now on the other hand, I can put in an XP disk in either, and it will slowly do it's thing, and eventually, it will boot up and work somewhat buggy as is, upon installing the proper drivers it seems to run noticeably less buggy...
20090320 15:41:18< SynrG> but linux takes the rap for this. :/
20090320 15:41:40< DeVilDeMonde> SynrG: Oh I know it's not linux's fault, nor the community's 
20090320 15:42:17< SynrG> but you asserted the linux community has to make massive ID10T user improvements.
20090320 15:42:27< SynrG> i don't think it does.
20090320 15:42:58< SynrG> i think we're there already.  all that's lagging behind is ubiquitous vendor support.
20090320 15:43:50< DeVilDeMonde> SynrG: but now think of your favorite computer noob, that just wants it to work, is it easier for them to just load windows, and the preinstalled garbage SEEMS to work, or to install linux, where they may have to use nano and edit xorg.config, just to get their display runnning?
20090320 15:44:02< SynrG> no
20090320 15:44:32< SynrG> "may have to" under what circumstances? that is rarely the case.
20090320 15:45:15< SynrG> xorg "just works" (excepting the aforementioned lack of vendor support problem, which we agree is not the linux community's fault)
20090320 15:45:22< DeVilDeMonde> Ivanovic:  I did see what you said, and sure a pre-installed system, but what of all the people that got machines with Vista on it, and now they'd have to do it themselves?
20090320 15:46:05< Ivanovic> DeVilDeMonde: for windows they would go into a computer store, ask for a copy of it and have them install it (if they don't have someone with the knowledge at hand)
20090320 15:46:13< Ivanovic> they should just try the same with linux, too
20090320 15:46:32< Ivanovic> since yeah, the system is often "for free" but support is expensive
20090320 15:46:44< Ivanovic> this is why redhat, novell and whatnot still sell boxed version
20090320 15:46:50< Ivanovic> because of eg the install support
20090320 15:47:34< DeVilDeMonde> SynrG: You know that and i know that, but my touchpad has no touchclick feature, and i can't adjust that with KDE unless I do a lot of researching and and tweaking of Xorg/Synaptics, and who do you think said end user blames, the hardware vendor, for not releasing the driver, or the community that gave birth to xorg, which they find themselves having to edit?
20090320 15:48:51< DeVilDeMonde> Me I blame Acer, it's their hardware, they should supply drivers for all OSes, but then I'm not my clients... I know the way things should work properly.
20090320 15:49:05< Ivanovic> DeVilDeMonde: if they want support, they should first ask the vendor, they will tell him "not supported!!!", then they should ask their distribution, there they will get the answer "buy support" or, by community driven projects, get an answer that *might* be: use google, the answer does exist
20090320 15:49:48< SynrG> oh, i agree about where blame gets apportioned, but i disagree that the linux community has somehow failed to address the problem, that's all.
20090320 15:50:16< SynrG> the linux community does as good a job as it can, given the circumstances. and a better job, i think than community support (such as there is) for windows.
20090320 15:50:36< DeVilDeMonde> Ivanovic: Ah but that's rarely the case for most end users isn't it? Instead they lash out first on the people that deserve it least. Then they get mad when they've somehow trashed things and I have to come fix it.
20090320 15:51:30< SynrG> watching a small microcosm of the two support communities at work: the eeepc support community (#eeepc welcomes both windows and linux users) i would have to say the linux community does a hell of a lot better at the support game than windows does
20090320 15:51:52< SynrG> and there are things on windows that don't "just work" that are a snap on linux
20090320 15:52:16< Ivanovic> DeVilDeMonde: and at the end they learn to either read or they learn that support is not always for free
20090320 15:52:18< DeVilDeMonde> SynrG: Point well taken and mostly agreed with, the place i disagree is it would help if you didn't have 31 flavors of linux floating around to further confuse the end users... 
20090320 15:52:33< SynrG> not really. i find our users enjoy the variety
20090320 15:52:55< SynrG> #eeepc is a distro-agnostic channel.  most people there are delighted they have choices. very few are "confused" by it
20090320 15:53:22< SynrG> in the end, it comes down to handful of real contenders
20090320 15:53:28< SynrG> each with their fervent followers
20090320 15:53:43< SynrG> with a little cloud of fringe/splinter distros around those core few
20090320 15:53:56< DeVilDeMonde> Ivanovic: LOL too true, too true, but they don't like that now do they, and it's their dollars that drive companies like blizzard.
20090320 15:53:57< SynrG> each with their equally fervent followers
20090320 15:54:19< Ivanovic> DeVilDeMonde: and their dollars also drive microsoft with windows
20090320 15:54:33< Ivanovic> DeVilDeMonde: so if they directly demand a linux system when buying the hardware, they will eventually get it
20090320 15:54:43< SynrG> DeVilDeMonde: incidentally, i'm the project leader for debian-eeepc, so i'm "fighting the good fight" for trying to establish the "One True Distro" ;)
20090320 15:55:50< DeVilDeMonde> SynrG: That'sa  great point, and the flavor of linux that came pre-installed on the Asus EeePC ( I can't remember the name off hand i think it was Knopix) was excellent, (again after a little tweaking to get the full desktop)
20090320 15:56:13< Ivanovic> no, it was not knopix
20090320 15:56:14< SynrG> xandros (actually it isn't xandros ... it's a custom OS made by asus and contracted out to xandros)
20090320 15:56:26< SynrG> technically "The Asus Desktop OS"
20090320 15:56:37< DeVilDeMonde> But you also have to remember, you're more aware than most end users, and you are ready suggested IRC where most windows users can't even figure out how to join a channel anymore...
20090320 15:56:52< SynrG> debian-based, anyway ... but based on etch, and with a woefully inadequate (and released late) SDK
20090320 15:56:52< DeVilDeMonde> Ah Xandros, that's right.
20090320 15:57:01< SynrG> and pitiful offering of # of packages available in their repo
20090320 15:57:33< SynrG> DeVilDeMonde: well, not *just* irc, but watching the support forums at eeepc.com
20090320 15:57:36< DeVilDeMonde> SynrG: And there again you have the 31 flavors problem...
20090320 15:57:42< SynrG> windows users should at least know how to use web forums :)
20090320 15:57:54< SynrG> DeVilDeMonde: yes, well the vendor made a poor choice, i think
20090320 15:58:26< SynrG> instead of working directly with debian
20090320 15:58:39< DeVilDeMonde> SynrG: These are windows users we're talking about... don't give them too much credit, do you know statistically speaking what most windows end users do on a typical day of PC activity?
20090320 15:59:16< SynrG> which ... by the way, we at least tried to address after the fact.  martin michlmayr (former debian project leader) went to taiwan and spoke with asus
20090320 15:59:38< SynrG> they agreed in principle on a working relationship with debian and assigned some developers to liase with us
20090320 15:59:53< DeVilDeMonde> Ah Asus... I have a love hate relationship with them I love their hardware, hate their software, drivers, and support...
20090320 15:59:53< SynrG> however, that relationship has not yet really changed anything.
20090320 16:01:31< SynrG> so this is the way forward: vendors need to wise up and work directly with the community.  they need to really work at it, though, and not just assign token developers to take care of it and then never talk to us again (as is the case with asus :P)
20090320 16:01:50< DeVilDeMonde> The typical windows end user may or may not own their own PC, most go to work, log on to a machine, do some work related program, probably go to some website that IT Staff has not yet deemed off limits like the malware afflicted MySpace, or YouTube, do more work, log off go home...
20090320 16:02:28< DeVilDeMonde> Not much is require of them in the way of knowledge...
20090320 16:03:06< DeVilDeMonde> in fact logging on seems to be a big problem in some corporate environments... :(
20090320 16:04:28< DeVilDeMonde> I can't tell you how many calls I've gotten for the simplest of problems... "My computer doesn't work..." Then I get there... They typed log-in information wrong, the computer isn't plugged in, the computer isn't turned on, etc. the list goes on and on...
20090320 16:07:47< DeVilDeMonde> And to make it better and give you a better understanding of the end users, I was tech support for tech support. That is I worked as a bench tech, wholesaler, OEM, and vendor, in our local area. We had one customer come in and buy 3 powercords in a span of 24 hours. All for the same company... They were getting severed in half... 
20090320 16:08:33< DeVilDeMonde> Upon trying to figure out what was going on he found out the first time the metal desk the system was on was shoved firmly against the wall severing the power cable...
20090320 16:08:51< DeVilDeMonde> he told the head of their IT department...
20090320 16:09:24< DeVilDeMonde> A few hours later he got called back, same thing, IT manager had no idea how it was happening, maybe the cleaning staff.
20090320 16:10:37< DeVilDeMonde> The next day same thing, he went in and told them look i don't mind charging you guys $100 to come out here and keep doing this, but you might want to find out what's going on... About that time the boss walked in and wanted to know why the desk was out from the wall and firmly shoved it back, severing the 2nd cord...
20090320 16:11:30< Ivanovic> muhaha
20090320 16:11:49< Ivanovic> DeVilDeMonde: have you ever seen an episode from the british comedy series "the it crowd"?
20090320 16:12:02< Ivanovic> you should try it, just the way they answer the phone, great...
20090320 16:12:24< DeVilDeMonde> Ivanovic: I found it hilarious too, as did the tech, the IT manager however did not, my point though is do not over estimate the tech prowess of the end user...
20090320 16:12:40< DeVilDeMonde> no i haven't i might need to though :D
20090320 16:13:07< Ivanovic> ah, here is this scene from the first episode from the first series: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt9j80Jkc_A
20090320 16:13:39< DeVilDeMonde> ROFL i like it already, that's so me when a call comes in...
20090320 16:15:43< DeVilDeMonde> OMG that was great, reminded me of TBOfH
20090320 16:16:04< Ivanovic> the whole series is *lovely*
20090320 16:16:34< DeVilDeMonde> Did I chase SynrG off with my realistic portrayal of the end user? :(
20090320 16:17:03< DeVilDeMonde> it's sad i know but alas very true...
20090320 16:17:30< DeVilDeMonde> These are the same people using CD Rom drive trays as both cup holders and carrying handles...
20090320 16:18:09< DeVilDeMonde> I have actually fished a credit card out of a floppy drive before... :(
20090320 16:18:13< Ivanovic> are they not?
20090320 16:18:15< Ivanovic> ^^
20090320 16:19:25< DeVilDeMonde> LMAO, Ivanovic... Let me give you my phone number for tech support, I charge $65/hr first hour flat rate every hour thereafter prorated to the closest 15 minute increment.
20090320 16:20:01< DeVilDeMonde> Parts are not included in hourly rates.
20090320 16:20:07< DeVilDeMonde> :D
20090320 16:24:11< Ivanovic> :)
20090320 16:24:28< DeVilDeMonde> I hope I didn't make SynrG too depressed... Sometimes it too makes me want to jump out of a window...
20090320 16:24:43< Ivanovic> not everyone has the time to stay around at irc stuff always
20090320 16:24:44< Ivanovic> ;)
20090320 16:25:07< Ivanovic> and i am busy now correcting a final report from the project group i spent my last year with...
20090320 16:25:09< Ivanovic> cu
20090320 16:25:12< DeVilDeMonde> Ah true... i guess only tech support guys between hanging up on callers... hehe
20090320 16:25:31< DeVilDeMonde> Adios Ivanovic thanks for the discussion and help
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20090320 17:19:12< SynrG> DeVilDeMonde: no, i just have to work :)
20090320 17:19:50< SynrG> DeVilDeMonde: i'm a program. don't work in support. but i do have to support friends and family (thankfully no windows support) so i know what you mean.
20090320 17:20:02< DeVilDeMonde> SynrG: Yeah I hear that, would  be nice if I got a call...
20090320 17:20:08< SynrG> programmer*
20090320 17:20:17< SynrG> (no, i'm not a bot ;)
20090320 17:20:35< DeVilDeMonde> LMAO
20090320 17:21:04< DeVilDeMonde> programming is something i have little patience for, i'd rather do support of things that were already written.
20090320 17:21:08< SynrG> played some wesnoth over lunch with the smallgui. very nice.
20090320 17:22:28< SynrG> Rhonda: thanks again for pointing out the binary.  guess i'd have found it had i checked the changelog ...
20090320 17:22:51< SynrG> or apropos
20090320 17:23:04< SynrG> just didn't know that i was looking for another binary :)
20090320 17:23:24< SynrG> and otherwise, the doc doesn't mention it.  maybe fodder for README.Debian?
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20090320 17:27:32< Rhonda> SynrG: Well, now that the other binary is gone and that it's a commandline option and that there is no 1.4 anymore in unstable ...   You know the deal, documentation updates to stable won't get accepted. :)
20090320 17:30:03< Tonepoet> Wesnoth is too progress oriented. XP
20090320 17:30:18< Blueblaze_> Tonepoet, if it wasn't then?
20090320 17:30:22< Blueblaze_> what would happen
20090320 17:31:32< Tonepoet> I'm not sure. The only online game I know that wasn't progress oriented was abandoned by the sole administrator/developer. It went on popular amongst the small following until the site spaced out for 6 months.
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20090320 17:31:55< Tonepoet> After that, although people rediscovered it, nobody retained interest.
20090320 17:31:57< zookeeper> maybe we should try that then!
20090320 17:31:58 * Turuk_ thinks Tonepoet is not making a good case for the validity of his statement then. :P
20090320 17:32:21 * Tonepoet knows Tonepoet won't change anything
20090320 17:32:48 * Blueblaze_ curses Ubuntu's terrible wifi hardware compadibility
20090320 17:33:15 * Shadow_Master suggests ndiswrapper
20090320 17:33:23 * Tonepoet decides to do something (un)productive instead
20090320 17:33:26 * Turuk_ is not sure what you are trying to change and why?
20090320 17:33:51 * Shadow_Master has no idea what all this is about anyway
20090320 17:33:53< Tonepoet> Well I don't need a good case for my cause if I'm not trying to change anything by direct argument.
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20090320 17:34:34< Turuk_> True, I'm just trying to figure out what you were thinking of changing period.
20090320 17:34:38< Turuk_> Wesnoth should slow down?
20090320 17:34:42< SynrG> Rhonda: ah well. for posterity, then :)
20090320 17:34:54< SynrG> next time something like this crops up
20090320 17:34:57< zookeeper> why would you make a case for something bad even if you know it wouldn't happen?
20090320 17:35:29< Tonepoet> Eh. Log onto 1.6. Turuk. I think somebody like you might like the nostalgia effort I'm making.
20090320 17:36:07< Tonepoet> If I've got the right person in mind. You are the drake hater aren't you?
20090320 17:36:16< Turuk_> Ah, no, that would be Turin
20090320 17:36:17 * Tonepoet hasn't seen Turuk in ages
20090320 17:36:21< Tonepoet> Ah.
20090320 17:36:22< Turuk_> Turin hates a lot of things
20090320 17:36:34< Turuk_> I think drakes are just the top
20090320 17:36:34< Tonepoet> Then I haven't seen Turin in ages.
20090320 17:36:45 * zookeeper notes that turin is here right now
20090320 17:37:12< Tonepoet> No talking = not here except for talk behind their back purposes. =P
20090320 17:37:29< Turuk_> It's better than most times, turin is not usually on IRC
20090320 17:37:44< Turuk_> Though if he has the right kind of client, if you keep typing turin in every sentence
20090320 17:37:51< Turuk_> Then turin will get a lot of notices that turin is being used
20090320 17:38:31< Tonepoet> I suppose you're right.
20090320 17:38:54< Tonepoet> People berate me for calling them by usernames that they don't use anymore 'cause of that.
20090320 17:39:51< Turuk_> True, but it's the easiest way to get people's attention on here if you know the right one
20090320 17:40:23< Tonepoet> So if I speak of the turin the turin will come? That sorta thing? =P
20090320 17:41:20< Turuk_> One can only hope
20090320 17:42:32< Tonepoet> I doubt this'll work. Mostly 'cause I doubt people like turin, who aren't talking are actually away from their computers.
20090320 17:43:43< Tonepoet> Is law_ > Lawton?
20090320 17:44:34< Turuk_> Your guess is as good as ours
20090320 17:44:42< Turuk_> Of the numerous people in this channel, very few actually talk
20090320 17:44:47< Tonepoet> He works too if that's the case. Basically I'm interested in gaining the attention of longer term players.
20090320 17:44:57< Turuk_> For the purpose of....?
20090320 17:45:15< Tonepoet> How long have you been playing Turuk_?
20090320 17:45:23< Tonepoet> Any multiplayer in that time
20090320 17:45:26< Turuk_> since late '04
20090320 17:45:27< Shadow_Master> around 5 years IIRC
20090320 17:45:36< Shadow_Master> see? :P
20090320 17:45:46< Turuk_> Haha everyone knows that apparently
20090320 17:45:48< Turuk_> ;)
20090320 17:45:54< Turuk_> Some multiplayer, yes
20090320 17:46:03< Turuk_> Are you talking about the various balance changes?
20090320 17:49:39< turin> wha...? my name, it appears above!
20090320 17:49:52< Tonepoet> Hey!
20090320 17:49:56< turin> yeah, you're right, I wasn't actually AFK, just not on IRC
20090320 17:50:00< Tonepoet> Log onto 1.6.
20090320 17:50:02< Turuk_> Told you it would work.
20090320 17:50:10< Turuk_> :P
20090320 17:50:39< Tonepoet> I showed this to WP last night but I want to get as many nolstalgic players interested as I can.
20090320 17:50:51< turin> I just realized two days ago that I actually can get on IRC from school...
20090320 17:51:02< turin> school firewall doesn't block it, apparently
20090320 17:51:09< Tonepoet> But not Wesnoth?
20090320 17:51:11< Shadow_Master> oh, hai turin ^_^
20090320 17:51:17< turin> but I guess it still blocks the MP server, yeah, it's not letting me in
20090320 17:51:23< Tonepoet> Darn.
20090320 17:51:31< Shadow_Master> same here.
20090320 17:51:38< turin> probably good for my productivity actually :P
20090320 17:51:44< turin> hai Shadow_Master 
20090320 17:52:20< Shadow_Master> worse than that. They say in their web page that FTP isn't blocked, but it actually is.
20090320 17:52:34< turin> that's lame
20090320 17:52:45< turin> I think my school says in its webpage that IRC is blocked, but apparently it's not. :P
20090320 17:52:51< Tonepoet> Eh.
20090320 17:53:32< turin> btw Tonepoet, what is it you wanted to show on MP server?
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20090320 18:04:17< Tonepoet> That's a bit out of my system. Too bad Turin couldn't log into multiplayer.
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20090320 18:12:41< Woodmouse> hello
20090320 18:12:58< Blueblaze_> Woodmouse, hell
20090320 18:13:00< Blueblaze_> hello
20090320 18:13:08< Shadow_Master> hullo
20090320 18:14:29< Blueblaze_> hrmm
20090320 18:14:44 * Blueblaze_ wonders how fast of a connection is needed to play 3d games online
20090320 18:14:57< Woodmouse> dunbo
20090320 18:15:00< Woodmouse> *dunno
20090320 18:15:02< Woodmouse> lol
20090320 18:15:07< Woodmouse> almost like Dumbo
20090320 18:15:30< Shadow_Master> Blueblaze_: depends on its genre and network protocol
20090320 18:16:58< DeVilDeMonde> Blueblaze_: That's sort of a vague question, but in general a high speed connection is best.
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20090320 18:17:38< Woodmouse> hi Noyga bye Noyga
20090320 18:17:42< Tonepoet> Hi Noyga, not.
20090320 18:17:47< Woodmouse> lol
20090320 18:17:57< DeVilDeMonde> With lower connection speed you get some packet loss, coupled with the latency it produces a noticeable choppy effect
20090320 18:18:49< DeVilDeMonde> Generally you wouldn't want to play on anything less than a DSL connection, but even those can be laggy.
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20090320 18:21:38< Tonepoet> What sort of fast paced game are you guys playing?
20090320 18:22:07 * DeVilDeMonde shrugs
20090320 18:22:33< DeVilDeMonde> Tonepoet: he just asked a generalized question, so i did my best to answer accurately.
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20090320 18:22:39< Blueblaze_> Tonepoet, im playing this fun gae
20090320 18:22:52< Blueblaze_> it's called fix my freakin wifi stupid Ubuntu 8.10
20090320 18:22:56 * Blueblaze_ isn't have fun though :(
20090320 18:23:08< Tonepoet> Oh.
20090320 18:23:18< DeVilDeMonde> Blueblaze_: What seems to be the problem with it?
20090320 18:23:20< Tonepoet> The proper course of action is to not use wifi.
20090320 18:23:21< Tonepoet> =P
20090320 18:23:40 * Tonepoet knows that's the biggest cause of dropped connections
20090320 18:23:46< DeVilDeMonde> Tonepoet: Agreed Wifi can be the devil sometimes... :-|
20090320 18:23:56< Blueblaze_> DeVilDeMonde, well the main problem is I can't get my internal wifi card to work on it, it is recognized though
20090320 18:24:08< Blueblaze_> the secondary problem, is I have a usb wifi adapter, but the signal strength is terrible on it
20090320 18:24:35< Blueblaze_> I just need one of those two problems fixed :/
20090320 18:24:43< Tonepoet> It might not be getting enough power to send out the signals.
20090320 18:24:57< Tonepoet> Can you plug it into the wall?
20090320 18:24:57< Blueblaze_> Tonepoet, sending out the signal isn't the problem
20090320 18:24:59< Blueblaze_> it's receiving it
20090320 18:25:03< DeVilDeMonde> Well i really only have experience with Knetwork manager, and you did say ubuntu, not kubuntu... So i don't know how much help i'll be...
20090320 18:25:32< DeVilDeMonde> Is it attempting to establish a connection but not actually connecting?
20090320 18:25:36< Tonepoet> It might be receiving but I'd assume something with more electrical power could send out a stronger signal.
20090320 18:25:56< Blueblaze_> Tonepoet, you don't know what you're talking about, sorry :/
20090320 18:25:57< Tonepoet> Though I don't know anything about Wi-fi really.
20090320 18:26:18< SynrG> if you have a 2.4 Ghz wireless phone in the house, disconnect it.
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20090320 18:26:25< Blueblaze_> DeVilDeMonde, the usb wifi adapter connects, but just has a weak signal of 13-15%, the internal card doesn't connect at all
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20090320 18:26:36< Blueblaze_> SynrG, wifi works in the house fine
20090320 18:26:39< SynrG> if your neighbour has one ... buy them a replacement for christmas :P
20090320 18:26:46< Tonepoet> Can't just change the frequency of the phone?
20090320 18:26:54< Blueblaze_> I'm on my Windows laptop and it works great wifi
20090320 18:27:01< Blueblaze_> Tonepoet, there is no phone -_--
20090320 18:27:02< DeVilDeMonde> Blueblaze_: and what type of access point are you trying to connect to?
20090320 18:27:28< Blueblaze_> just a regular home wifi point
20090320 18:27:29< SynrG> crank up txpower?
20090320 18:27:36< Tonepoet> I typed that statement a bit late and meant it in response moreso to DeVil who suggested the notion of a phone to begin with.
20090320 18:28:04< DeVilDeMonde> Blueblaze_: I don't want to assume anything here, so I have to ask is it like a linksys/dlink router?
20090320 18:28:14< SynrG> or switch channels until you find something that works.
20090320 18:28:24< Blueblaze_> yeah DeVilDeMonde
20090320 18:28:27< DeVilDeMonde> Tonepoet: actually that was SynrG
20090320 18:28:31< Blueblaze_> ^
20090320 18:28:45< Tonepoet> Eh.
20090320 18:28:52< DeVilDeMonde> Blueblaze_: Does it have wep or wpa security enabled?
20090320 18:28:52< Tonepoet> I'm getting rusty.
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20090320 18:29:07< DeVilDeMonde> brb grabbing a pack of smokes
20090320 18:29:09< Blueblaze_> there's no security enabled on it
20090320 18:29:11< Tonepoet> `I can't even read names in chat anymore.
20090320 18:30:42< DeVilDeMonde> Blueblaze_: Ok that's good one of the things I've noticed is some of the network managers wep protocols aren't compatible with certain router's security protocols. MAC filtering is your best bet. But since that isn't an issue...
20090320 18:31:06< DeVilDeMonde> Blueblaze_: have you ever been able to use said card to connect to a wifi connection?
20090320 18:32:19< Blueblaze_> Yeah, but it's signal is weak and the speed is quite slow
20090320 18:32:37< Blueblaze_> About 10-50x slower than normal
20090320 18:33:05< Woodmouse> bye
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20090320 18:34:15< DeVilDeMonde> Blueblaze_: hmmm sounds like you're getting some kind of interference like SynrG suggested... Your best bet on resolving it would be to try a different channel on both the router and card. that is if you have access to the routers admin functions...
20090320 18:35:03< Blueblaze_> eh, that's not the case though as I'm currently using the same wifi connection (different computer/wifi card) and it's running full speed
20090320 18:35:28< Blueblaze_> It's just the card on Ubuntu is running 10-50x slower
20090320 18:35:40< Tonepoet> I blame drivers.
20090320 18:35:46< Blueblaze_> I do too
20090320 18:35:53< Blueblaze_> I'm tired of working with them though
20090320 18:36:04< Blueblaze_> I think I'll just pay a hundred dollars and buy a really long cord
20090320 18:36:11< Tonepoet> 100?
20090320 18:36:18< DeVilDeMonde> Blueblaze_: Don't rule it out completely, a lot of things can interfere. I've been doing tech work for a long time. It's possible it's a driver issue, but you did say you were connecting to it with the USB dongle just fine.
20090320 18:36:22< Tonepoet> How long are we talking here?
20090320 18:36:37< Blueblaze_> 100 foot cord ;p they're cheap
20090320 18:36:53< Blueblaze_> I didn't mean $100 for the cord -_-
20090320 18:37:13< Tonepoet> " I think I'll just pay a hundred dollars and buy a really long cord."
20090320 18:37:16< DeVilDeMonde> Blueblaze_:  Do they both use the atheros?
20090320 18:37:38< Blueblaze_> atheros is?
20090320 18:38:09< Blueblaze_> Tonepoet, I said that, but I didn't mean it
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20090320 18:38:21< Tonepoet> Nat?
20090320 18:38:31< Tonepoet> Erm... no, wait.
20090320 18:38:36< Blueblaze_> just count it as a lie if you will, I need a 100ft cord anyway, which may be around $30
20090320 18:38:45< DeVilDeMonde> one sec
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20090320 18:39:38< DeVilDeMonde> Well i was lookign for a link, but might be easier to explain, you see all wireless nics use a few sets of chipsets on them one of the common chipsets is atheros
20090320 18:39:51< DeVilDeMonde> So they also use Atheros drivers
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20090320 18:40:19< DeVilDeMonde> If both the dongle and the card use atheros you can rule out the drivers.
20090320 18:40:54< DeVilDeMonde> You can find out by viewing the details of the NIC
20090320 18:41:19< SynrG> btw, i've seen some bizarre things happen with wifi. so don't rule out changing channel/messing with txpower.
20090320 18:41:34< SynrG> one system works, and another consistently fails. change channel. problem solved.
20090320 18:41:53< DeVilDeMonde> Yeah SynrG is spot on there, Wifi can be flaky...
20090320 18:41:55< SynrG> signal strength high. connection still fails. change channel. problem solved.
20090320 18:42:16< DeVilDeMonde> Heck even your laptop itself can cause the interference.
20090320 18:42:29< DeVilDeMonde> cell phones, your desktop, name it...
20090320 18:43:10< DeVilDeMonde> Also to get the best signal range out of your router it should be at the highest most central location in your house.
20090320 18:43:12< SynrG> i regularly play channel ping-pong with my neighbours :p
20090320 18:43:25< SynrG> we each have our APs cranked up to max txpower. we're too close to do that.
20090320 18:43:38< SynrG> but without it, we can't give the house full coverage.
20090320 18:43:59< SynrG> invariably, one day one or more of my wireless systems go bonk
20090320 18:44:08< SynrG> then i switch from channel 6 -> 11
20090320 18:44:20< SynrG> this continues to work for a week, two weeks, a month ...
20090320 18:44:29< DeVilDeMonde> SynrG: yeah but even then you'll get interference if you cross paths with a bad electrical conduit LOL
20090320 18:44:31< SynrG> and eventually again one or more system goes bonk.
20090320 18:44:39< SynrG> then i switch from 11 -> 6 again
20090320 18:44:44< SynrG> repeat, ad nauseum.
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20090320 18:44:59< tishbe> hi
20090320 18:45:13< SynrG> oh, and channel 1 is totally unusable. :P
20090320 18:45:25< tishbe> d
20090320 18:45:25< SynrG> and all other channels overlap, so there's really no point. :P
20090320 18:45:32< DeVilDeMonde> Crosstalk, EMF, Interference, networking nightmares...
20090320 18:45:40 * DeVilDeMonde smacks head
20090320 18:45:48< DeVilDeMonde> Hello tishbe
20090320 18:46:19< tishbe> where are all the save files and addons in Vista?
20090320 18:46:27< Tonepoet> Geezes. I'm glad I just have a long ethernet cable... that connects to my far off modem...
20090320 18:46:28< tishbe> remove addon doesn not wrok
20090320 18:46:48< DeVilDeMonde> SynrG: LMAO weren't we talking about Vista nightmares earlier?
20090320 18:47:21< tishbe> ?
20090320 18:47:35< DeVilDeMonde> tishbe: I'm not sure about vista but in windows XP the files are located in...
20090320 18:47:42< tishbe> in?
20090320 18:47:58< DeVilDeMonde> C:\Program Files\Wesnoth 1.4.7\userdata\
20090320 18:48:00 * SynrG senses a cut-and-paste in progress
20090320 18:48:19 * DeVilDeMonde thinks SynrG would be right.
20090320 18:49:43< DeVilDeMonde> tishbe: Check there first... specifically in the \data\ais folder
20090320 18:50:13< DeVilDeMonde> not sure exactly which add in you are looking for, or what type...
20090320 18:53:57< DeVilDeMonde> Vista is a little strange with user files though, you may also need to check for a westnoth folder in  C:\Users\[USER_NAME]\AppData\ Specifically the Roaming folder...
20090320 18:56:04< tishbe> I want to remove all add-ons
20090320 18:56:18< tishbe> but remove addon does not work
20090320 18:56:37< tishbe> I have unintalled wesnoth and reinstalled it but all the addons are still there
20090320 18:57:02< DeVilDeMonde> tishbe: The easiest way for you to that is to first uninstall the game
20090320 18:57:15< tishbe> I have look for C:\Program Files\Wesnoth 1.4.7\userdata\ and C:\Users\[USER_NAME]\AppData\Roaming folder but could not fine the addons
20090320 18:57:18< DeVilDeMonde> Then you'll want to manual delete all the folders
20090320 18:57:27< tishbe> I did that
20090320 18:57:34< tishbe> but I could not find the folder
20090320 18:57:46< DeVilDeMonde> You manually deleted all the folders?
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20090320 18:58:06< tishbe> no
20090320 18:58:18< tishbe> looking for the folders where addons would be stored
20090320 18:58:25< DeVilDeMonde> That's the second step, ;) there's a 3rd too
20090320 18:58:28< tishbe> I cant find them
20090320 18:58:57< tishbe> or it
20090320 18:58:59< DeVilDeMonde> Just wipe em all, if you want to go back tot he way it was... you'll waste more time hunting for a few files than you would with a fresh install...
20090320 18:59:00< tishbe> the folder
20090320 18:59:39< tishbe> well unistall remove the whole wesnoth folder
20090320 18:59:45< DeVilDeMonde> Make sure you have view hidden files and folders enabled in your windows explorer.
20090320 18:59:52< DeVilDeMonde> yes
20090320 19:00:02< tishbe> but when I re-install wesnoth all the addons are still in the list
20090320 19:00:07< tishbe> I am very frustrated
20090320 19:00:13< tishbe> it is on
20090320 19:00:45< DeVilDeMonde> Even after a manual delete of all folders? Inside C:\Users\[USER_NAME]\AppData\ as well?
20090320 19:01:01< DeVilDeMonde> Also try flushing your temp files and rebooting.
20090320 19:01:20< DeVilDeMonde> Before you reinstall the game
20090320 19:01:36< tishbe> Do I have to remove C:\Users\[USER_NAME]\AppData\ itself?
20090320 19:01:49< DeVilDeMonde> No just any westnoth folder contained there in
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20090320 19:02:17< DeVilDeMonde> Unfortunately you may have to browse the contents of each folder inside to track it down.
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20090320 19:03:14< tishbe> there is no wesnoth folder in there
20090320 19:03:29< DeVilDeMonde> If you want to be sure you get them all have windows search look for *westnoth* on your local hard drives.
20090320 19:03:40< DeVilDeMonde> include the stars
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20090320 19:04:13< tishbe> I did that
20090320 19:04:14< DeVilDeMonde> The search will take a while.
20090320 19:04:56< tishbe> before
20090320 19:05:16< DeVilDeMonde> did you include the * at the beginning and the end?
20090320 19:05:46< DeVilDeMonde> one sec lemme grab an add in real quick...
20090320 19:08:02< tishbe> no
20090320 19:08:18< tishbe> maybe I should try with * this time
20090320 19:09:04< DeVilDeMonde> Ok depending on the particular add on when i installed "A new land" it went inside C:\Program Files\Wesnoth 1.4.7\userdata\data\campaigns\
20090320 19:10:25< tishbe> DeVilDeMonde: OK. The user data was in C:\Users\[USER_NAME]\AppData\Local\VirtualStore
20090320 19:10:27< DeVilDeMonde> And yes deleting the folder named A_New_Land did remove the add in
20090320 19:10:33< tishbe> I don't know whay they put it there
20090320 19:11:03< DeVilDeMonde> tishbe: there you go, delete it all, uninstall westnoth, then reinstall it, you should be good after that.
20090320 19:11:10< tishbe> anyway thanks for the help
20090320 19:11:23< DeVilDeMonde> No Problem it's what I do.
20090320 19:11:40< DeVilDeMonde> Come back if you're still having trouble.
20090320 19:12:08< DeVilDeMonde> bah Vista...
20090320 19:12:31< DeVilDeMonde> I should thank Microsoft, stuff like that keeps me in business...
20090320 19:12:49< DeVilDeMonde> LOL
20090320 19:12:59< name> DeVilDeMonde: laughing at your own joke? ;-)
20090320 19:13:14< DeVilDeMonde> Indeed
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20090320 20:07:35< Odd-rationale> Hello! Is this the correct channel to ask about compiling Wesnoth 1.5.14? Thanks!
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20090320 20:09:50< Odd-rationale> If so, I am having some issues compiling Wesnoth 1.5.14. I am trying to use the Scons build: http://dpaste.com/17022/
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20090320 20:23:55< Ivanovic> Odd-rationale: called loonycyborg, he might join and help you soon...
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20090320 20:24:10< Odd-rationale> Ivanovic: thx
20090320 20:24:34< Odd-rationale> should i repost my issue?
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20090320 20:26:22< loonycyborg> Odd-rationale: Can you try upgrading scons?
20090320 20:26:43< Odd-rationale> loonycyborg: i've just compiled the latest 1.2.0 version of scons
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20090320 20:28:24< loonycyborg> Odd-rationale: That message is from 0.97
20090320 20:29:00< Odd-rationale> oh. must have grabbed the wrong one. let me try again. thx!
20090320 20:29:06< loonycyborg> /usr/lib/scons-0.97/..
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20090320 21:45:35< grzywacz> wesbot: seen Blueblaze
20090320 21:45:35< wesbot> grzywacz: Person, who 1d 21h ago used nick Blueblaze, last spoke 3h 6m ago.  1h 18m ago as Blueblaze_ was here and on the channels #wesnoth-dev and #wesnoth-mp with the message: Connection timed out
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20090320 22:39:55< Odd-rationale> loonycyborg: so to install wesnoth, i just need to run 'scons'? or do i have to run 'scons install' after?
20090320 22:40:07< Odd-rationale> s/install/compile
20090320 22:40:54< voris> scons then sudo scons install
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20090320 22:42:26< loonycyborg> Odd-rationale: What voris said.
20090320 22:42:39< loonycyborg> Of course if your distro uses sudo :)
20090320 22:42:45< voris> well sure. :)
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20090320 22:43:28< loonycyborg> Or, you can run it from working copy without installing: ./wesnoth
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20090320 22:55:03< Odd-rationale> ok. thx again
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20090320 23:03:24< Tonepoet> Hey.
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