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20090324 00:40:58< jasm> does anyone know which era includes the faction of windsong for wesnoth 1.6?
20090324 00:41:37< jasm> nvm, i got it , its still eom
20090324 00:41:50< jasm> thought it disappears in beem
20090324 00:43:46< jasm> wait, but does that mean beem has replaced ee already?
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20090324 01:05:41< Taliesin_> Hi
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20090324 04:10:53< [Relic]> Hello :)
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20090324 04:18:22< Blueblaze> Hey [Relic]!
20090324 04:18:27< [Relic]> :)
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20090324 04:50:04< JoshJ> I just got wesnoth 1.6a, very nice... played it for a bit, quit to do some stuff and came back; fedora ran some updates; and now whenever i try to start wesnoth it just says it found a possible data directory (the folder I compiled it in) and does nothing
20090324 04:50:11< JoshJ> Anyone know what's causing this?
20090324 04:51:37< JoshJ> (that is to say, if i run it from a terminal; it prints the message "Automatically found a possible data directory at /home/joshua/handcompiled/wesnoth-1.6a" and doesn't do anything else; if I try to run it from the GUI it doesn't do anything at all)
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20090324 05:01:14< JoshJ> brb, restarting in case that helps, what with the fedora updates...
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20090324 05:03:53< JoshJ> Meh, rebooting fixed it. Makes me feel like I'm using windows. >_<
20090324 05:05:17< Blueblaze> lol
20090324 05:06:26< JoshJ> must have been the libx11 update, i don't see anything else in there that could have caused that problem :/
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20090324 05:26:00< ArmOrAttAk> hi
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20090324 05:28:48< ArmOrAttAk> compiling
20090324 05:31:29< ArmOrAttAk> oh no. i've been logged
20090324 05:32:12< Espreon> Heh...
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20090324 05:45:24< zpmorgan> Hello again, wesnoth
20090324 05:45:29< zpmorgan> congrats on the 1.6
20090324 05:46:09< zpmorgan> i notice a lot of 100% cpu when idling now
20090324 05:46:33< zpmorgan> at least with wesmere
20090324 05:46:54< zpmorgan> is it an ai optimization or something?
20090324 05:47:00< zpmorgan> or a bug?
20090324 05:47:46< zpmorgan> it used to be on the order of 5% on httt :/
20090324 05:48:21< zpmorgan> no pun intended
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20090324 05:54:46< comradekingu> I played a multiplayer game, lost my main unit, and upon killing the last of the opposing main units it said "you have lost" is that supposed to happen?
20090324 05:55:34< noy> was it a 2v2?
20090324 05:55:51< comradekingu> yes
20090324 05:56:24< comradekingu> Me and computer vs a friend and a computer
20090324 05:56:40< noy> you've lost your leader, ie you're dead. 
20090324 05:57:14< comradekingu> But i could play untill the all opposing main units had died
20090324 05:59:21< comradekingu> Then i got prompted on who i wanted to assign the rest of my friends units to (computer, ai and a few different options)
20090324 06:00:25< comradekingu> First his CPU main unit died, then my main unit died, then i killed his main unit
20090324 06:02:03< comradekingu> Wesnoth 1:1.6a-1
20090324 06:05:39< Blueblaze> comradekingu: Well it's not a glitch, it's just the way it has been programmed. You automatically are defeated whenever you lose your leader (in standard multiplayer games). Think of it like a war: if you die in combat while your allies win the war, you ultimately are dead. Death = the ultimate defeat.
20090324 06:06:26< ArmOrAttAk> is that the way 1.4.x did it?
20090324 06:06:48< Blueblaze> That's the way it's been for years
20090324 06:07:13< comradekingu> I just thought it was a bit strange not to tell me right away i had lost when my main unit died
20090324 06:07:34< comradekingu> Also, the hiding in the trees ability doesnt seem to work
20090324 06:07:38< ArmOrAttAk> but in a team game it happens often one leader dies but the team goes on to win
20090324 06:08:06< Blueblaze> Because if the message box was to pop up and tell you that you had lost, I guess it'd disconnect you and send you to the main lobby :)
20090324 06:08:18< ArmOrAttAk> maybe because your teammate was ai
20090324 06:08:25< Blueblaze> ArmOrAttAk: Right, but you'll still get a message saying you've been defeated
20090324 06:08:37< Blueblaze> No matter if your team goes on to win
20090324 06:08:43< Blueblaze> comradekingu: How so?
20090324 06:08:44< comradekingu> But if i lost instantly i should be told right away. Unless i could play for a tie with the rest of my units.
20090324 06:09:32< comradekingu> My friend reported he could see my tree units even if they were in the woods
20090324 06:09:36< Blueblaze> You're dead, you can't tie :p, but not displaying a defeat dialogue does imo help reduce the frequency of people who tend to leave games after their hero dies
20090324 06:09:46< Blueblaze> comradekingu: Was your friend your ally?
20090324 06:09:57< comradekingu> No, he was on the other team
20090324 06:10:19< Blueblaze> Was your units in the trees next to one of his units?
20090324 06:10:41< Blueblaze> Or another enemy^
20090324 06:10:43< comradekingu> No, thats what bothered me
20090324 06:10:53< comradekingu> Because that was part of my tactic
20090324 06:11:32< noy> comradekingu: well you still lost your leader
20090324 06:13:06< comradekingu> I'll check out the tree thing at a later time to confirm it.
20090324 06:13:25< Blueblaze> comradekingu: I'm checking it out now
20090324 06:14:05< comradekingu> Im not 100% sure, seemed to work against a cpu that lost track of were one of my weak units were
20090324 06:14:14< comradekingu> was*
20090324 06:14:28< comradekingu> *away
20090324 06:16:36< Blueblaze> comradekingu: I just tried it out and it's working just fine
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20090324 06:17:20< Blueblaze> One thing that you may be doing wrong with your strategy is trying to move units with ambush (like woses) into a forest where an enemy can see that forest hex
20090324 06:18:13< Blueblaze> Basically, an enemy will be able to see your unit's movement all the way up until it gets into the forest hex, then be invisible from then on. You can only set up ambushes properly where they're truly undetectable by people if the enemy cannot even see the forest hex that you're moving to
20090324 06:18:52< Blueblaze> So you can't move a unit with ambush from forest to forest without ever being detected, it's movements will be detected, but it's actual resting location on a forest hex will not 
20090324 06:19:22< Blueblaze> So when your friend said he saw your unit (I'm assuming wose) even though it was in the forest, he may mean that he saw it move to the forest, but it should be invisible once it landed on the forest.
20090324 06:20:11< Blueblaze> the AI on the other hand, I don't think it will remember ambush locations even if the AI can see your unit's movement. It's just not that smart (yet0
20090324 06:20:14< Blueblaze> (yet)*
20090324 06:21:25< Blueblaze> comradekingu: So logically speaking, it makes no sense for a unit with ambush to be invisible while walking on a dirt path to get to the forest. Thus, in order to use your strategy vs. humans, you must move the unit into the forest without letting any enemy see the unit's movement, otherwise it'll be quite obvious to them where the unit is located.
20090324 06:22:01< comradekingu> Can you move from one wood site to another, from one hex to the other with nothing in between without beeing detected?
20090324 06:22:40< Blueblaze> Hmm, something I've never tried, since I'm testing it out, I'll check
20090324 06:23:34< comradekingu> Could work on maps with large forests
20090324 06:23:56< comradekingu> Im gone again *away
20090324 06:26:16< ArmOrAttAk> darn locked up when i clicked multiplayer
20090324 06:26:20< Blueblaze> comradekingu: It appears that unit will remain invisible, it's a little harder to check that one by myself so you'll want to double check with your friend whenever you try it out in game
20090324 06:32:01< ArmOrAttAk> actually when i try to change login nick
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20090324 06:53:42< jasm> hi? does anyone know if there is a way to get extended era in wesnoth 1.6?
20090324 06:54:02< jasm> (but not the balanced version)
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20090324 16:04:04< mysticspiral> hi there
20090324 16:04:55< mysticspiral> well, wesnoth contains quite a lot nice song themes
20090324 16:05:08< mysticspiral> but many turn music of because they get annoyed of it
20090324 16:05:40< mysticspiral> for those i would recommend the fantasy station radio rivendell
20090324 16:05:43< mysticspiral> http://www.radiorivendell.com/
20090324 16:05:54< mysticspiral> it's free adn they play very nice music
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20090324 16:11:43< mysticspiral> and maybe wesnoth could become a shoutcast client
20090324 16:15:31< grzybacz> maybe not ;)
20090324 16:17:11< mysticspiral> damn, just noticed that shoutcast is proprietary
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20090324 17:59:50< grout> Any word on deb files being uploaded to getdeb for 1,6?
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20090324 18:12:07< Shadow_Master> there'll be a 1.6 deb in the lenny-backports repository for debian. But that doesn't help Ubuntu people, I guess.
20090324 18:12:26< Shadow_Master> unless it inspires an Ubuntu packager to port it to Ubuntu.
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20090324 18:17:25< Polarina> Hello.
20090324 18:17:54< Shadow_Master> hi
20090324 18:19:16< Polarina> I wish to assist with the Esperanto translation. (Although I'm not very good at it.
20090324 18:20:34< Shadow_Master> Polarina: read http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/Esperanto_translation and contact the maintainer listed there (hopefully he or she are listed there)
20090324 18:20:54< Polarina> Thank you.
20090324 18:20:58< Shadow_Master> Polarina: if they don't reply in some weeks, assume they were abducted by aliens and contact Ivanovic or Torangan to take over maintenance of that translation team
20090324 18:21:19< Polarina> Ok.
20090324 18:21:28< Shadow_Master> (that's what happened with the Spanish translation; the maintainer was abducted by some drooling dudes with many arms)
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20090324 18:31:45< Mr_Bones_> No one expects the Spanish translation!
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20090324 19:06:07< Odd-rationale> just curious. what does the a in the version mean? 1.6a ? Thanks!
20090324 19:07:51< zookeeper> that 1.6 was never really released but instead got a couple of extra bugfixes so the released version was named 1.6a
20090324 19:08:25< Odd-rationale> ok. thanks!
20090324 19:09:21< SynrG> ah. not a stamp of quality?
20090324 19:09:37< SynrG> i was all psyched to wait for 1.6 triple-A
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20090324 19:16:32< Unnheulu> lol
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20090324 19:21:56< Siosm> Hi everyone
20090324 19:22:22< Siosm> Is there extended era extension in the new wesnoth ? (1.6a)
20090324 19:24:00< Siosm> ?
20090324 19:24:50< zookeeper> apparently not
20090324 19:26:00< Siosm> hum
20090324 19:26:10< nihil-01> could ir be that the update function for addon does not realy work?
20090324 19:26:27< Siosm> I don't think so
20090324 19:26:49< Siosm> it simply isn't on  http://addons.wesnoth.org
20090324 19:27:02< Siosm> I can only find it in 1.4
20090324 19:27:24< nihil-01> i c the info.cfg od the Era of Magic in my home/wesnoth folder and oon version 9.2 , on the server i see there a 10.0x . pressing update button say nothing to update 
20090324 19:28:15< nihil-01>  
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20090324 19:28:58< Siosm> Do they intend to keep it ? I found it the best one to play with
20090324 19:30:05< Siosm> ok thanks, bye
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20090324 22:53:40< Taliesin_> Hi
20090324 22:54:51< Polarina> Hi.
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20090324 23:03:08< Taliesin_> We know anything about Drake battlecries? The kind of stuff they'd swear on (gods names and such)?
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20090324 23:22:33< Taliesin_> How vengeful are Elves, once roused to war? I get that they're (supposedly) hard to get involved in a war, but once they're involved, how much do they hold a grudge?
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20090324 23:28:56< Rrenys> moderately
20090324 23:29:18< Rrenys> They are better off without garlic; but some ketchup & red pepper is in order.
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20090324 23:32:32< Elvish_Pillager> Taliesin_: well, if you believe most non-Elvish campaigns, they're pretty much like Orcs.
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20090324 23:33:23< Taliesin_> Sounds perfect. I need an elven force as persuers after the protagnists of this story piss them off royally.
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20090324 23:33:55< Taliesin_> Threaten their trees, lead a force of undead right to their doorstep, then up sticks and carve an escape route from said undead through the forest. With swords... And fire, for that matter.
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20090324 23:44:13< Elvish_Pillager> that will get the elves after you, for sure
20090324 23:45:14< Taliesin_> Good. I'm working on a Drakes campaign, and I'd like the plot points to make sense.
20090324 23:45:25< Elvish_Pillager> err
20090324 23:45:32< Elvish_Pillager> drakes leading undead...
20090324 23:45:34 * Elvish_Pillager flees
20090324 23:45:37< Taliesin_> Well, I'm working on the STORY for a drakes campaign. Goddess only knows if I'll get my head around the map editor or code.
20090324 23:46:06< Taliesin_> No, the drakes aren't LEADING undead. They smashed the Undead. The Undead want revenge- the drakes aren't in a shape to fight a full-on army, so they flee.
20090324 23:46:36< uzytkownik> I have a problem with WML. I tried to convert wmllint. 1) http://pastebin.com/d13d45b69 - how to fix it? 2) Is there any 1.4 -> 1.6 migration guide? I cannot find any on wiki?
20090324 23:47:23< Elvish_Pillager> so the drakes figure it's better to piss off the elves than to fight the undead or flee in some other direction?
20090324 23:48:19< Taliesin_> The undead are coming from said other direction, and they didn't really have time to consider all the options, what with the oncoming horde of skeletal abominations, and the elves getting ticked off as well.
20090324 23:48:49< Elvish_Pillager> So this campaign is set in a one-dimensional world? ;p
20090324 23:49:08< uzytkownik> An here's 01_The_Bones_in_Fog.cfg
20090324 23:49:24< uzytkownik> Ups
20090324 23:49:29< uzytkownik> http://pastebin.com/d23ba5958
20090324 23:49:50< uzytkownik> Elvish_Pillager, Taliesin_: What's the discussion about?
20090324 23:50:09< Elvish_Pillager> it's about his absurd campaign idea :P
20090324 23:50:29< Taliesin_> It's not absurd. I just made the mistake of jumping in at about halfway through the third mission.
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20090324 23:51:02< Elvish_Pillager> I repeat, there are more than two directions away from any given location.
20090324 23:51:31< Taliesin_> That's not what's keeping them there. Lemme start from the beginning, 'kay?
20090324 23:51:41< Elvish_Pillager> Okay, go ahead ^_^
20090324 23:51:44< Taliesin_> Basically, a clan of Drakes in the mountains south of Lake Vrug have been under attack by a Lich who, for some reason, seemingly cannot be killed for good.
20090324 23:52:33< Elvish_Pillager> What a surprise!
20090324 23:52:33< Taliesin_> During one of these attacks, the Drakes destroy the Lich's body, and decide that if they can't kill the Lich itself, they can instead kill its servants and raze its castle. No castle, no staging ground to launch attacks from.
20090324 23:52:58< Elvish_Pillager> what a good idea. I wonder why nobody else seems to think of it.
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20090324 23:53:20< Taliesin_> Damned if I know.
20090324 23:54:30< Elvish_Pillager> So how do they end up getting chased? Does it turn out that destroying the castle releases a horde of undead, like in the Majesty demo? ;p
20090324 23:54:37< Taliesin_> So, while tearing down the Lich's fortress, murdering the adepts and generally burning and breaking whatever they come across, they find the Lich's library. Firin, a somewhat... Odd, drake, decides to look through it before burning it and finds a wealth of information on Drakes, some of which is very, very old and makes mention of true dragons.
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20090324 23:56:08< Taliesin_> Unfortunately, most of it is in a language he doesn't know, so he asks for a guard taking it to the elves in the nearby Glyn's Forest to ask for their help with it. The other Drakes accept, sending a messenger back to the clan to tell them what's happening.
20090324 23:57:51< Taliesin_> The Elves aren't too happy about a bunch of towering, fire-breathing creatures turning up on their doorstep, but Firin is able to negotiate safe passage for himself and a small honour guard into the forest, leaving most of the Drakes on the outskirts. The understanding is that Firin is basically a hostage to ensure the other Drakes good behaviour.
20090324 23:59:03< Taliesin_> Firin keeps up regular contact, but it turns out there's more work to be done than just translations. There's other sources mentioned, and a lot of knowledge to be at least skimmed. All told, it takes a week- by the end of which, the Undead turn up.
20090324 23:59:20< Elvish_Pillager> okay now where did THEY come from.
20090324 23:59:50< Taliesin_> It's the Lich. They didn't fully kill him, remember? In a week, you can animate a lot of corpses.
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