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20090326 01:24:54< [Relic]> Hello :)
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20090326 04:05:46< frewsxcv> i found a spelling error in the tutorial
20090326 04:06:05< frewsxcv> it's in the second level of the tutorial
20090326 04:06:16< shadowmaster> describe
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20090326 04:06:35< frewsxcv> "Galdrad" Eowynial has two traits:.......Quick means a unit can move one tile further each turn........
20090326 04:06:41< frewsxcv> further --> farther
20090326 04:07:17< sm_mindreader> my dictionary says they're both correct spellings of the comparative for 'far'
20090326 04:07:36< sm_mindreader> idem: furthest == farthest
20090326 04:07:58< frewsxcv> no...it doesn't
20090326 04:08:11< frewsxcv> further = metaphorical, farther = physical distance
20090326 04:08:31< frewsxcv> what dictionary are you using?
20090326 04:08:39< sm_mindreader> wordreference.com
20090326 04:09:42< sm_mindreader> let me ask esr.
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20090326 04:28:38< esr> frewsxcv: "farther" is motre correct for physical distances, "further" for other kinds.
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20090326 04:35:09< frewsxcv> so...is it wrong then esr?
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20090326 04:36:52< esr> For a weapon bonus relating to physical distance, "farther" is better.  But I wouldn't say "further" is *wromng*; the words had been used almost interchangeably since Middle English and have only drifted apart in meaning recently.
20090326 04:37:13< esr> Sorry, I know grammar but type poorly.
20090326 04:37:35< frewsxcv> yeah i say farther is better too
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20090326 05:57:11< dfranke> esr: is there actually any precedent for the distinction that doesn't trace back to "Finding Forrester"?
20090326 05:57:15< Tonepoet> Hmm. I suppose this would be the place to ask. Guys, is it just me or is Wesnoth down?
20090326 05:57:26< dfranke> Tonepoet: it isn't just you, but it also isn't down.
20090326 05:57:40< Tonepoet> Huh?
20090326 05:57:49< Tonepoet> So some people are cut off and others aren't?
20090326 05:57:49< dfranke> Tonepoet: this was happening the other day too.  It's a b0rked border gateway I think.
20090326 05:58:20< dfranke> 69.183.190.38
20090326 05:58:34< Tonepoet> Ah, well that's nice I guess. I was thinking maybe jb had me banned 'cause I was a little tiffed at him today.
20090326 05:58:50< Tonepoet> I suppose he wouldn't go that far just 'cause we had one fight though.
20090326 06:03:30< Tonepoet> What's that IP for?
20090326 06:05:47< dfranke> that's the gateway I suspect is broken
20090326 06:06:05< dfranke> gimme a sec, I'm setting up a relay that goes over a different backbone
20090326 06:07:22< Tonepoet> Thanks. I didn't know you had anything to do with the server and didn't mean to trouble you. I just wanted to know if it was a general problem or just me.
20090326 06:12:45< dfranke> I don't.  This is just a hack to dodge the bad router.
20090326 06:16:34< dfranke> eh, dangit.  Not working from either of my linodes either.
20090326 06:16:56< Tonepoet> Line doesn't fit on canvas?
20090326 06:17:11< dfranke> what?
20090326 06:20:33< Tonepoet> Just an error I'm encountering trying to get onto another server. I might've screwed something up...
20090326 06:21:20< dfranke> server3.wesnoth.org works for me
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20090326 06:23:23< Tonepoet> Kinda different. I think i put too many characters in the line 'cause I didn't delete one server name before putting in the other by accident. I'll do a full uninstall.
20090326 06:23:42< Tonepoet> Hi Noy.
20090326 06:23:46< noy> hello
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20090326 06:27:41< dfranke> Tonepoet: it's back up for me now.
20090326 06:51:49< dfranke> noy: you with us?
20090326 06:51:57< noy> I ended turn
20090326 06:52:14< dfranke> noy: you got disconnected.
20090326 06:52:16< Tonepoet> You disconnecte.
20090326 06:52:22< Tonepoet> According to the server.
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20090326 10:31:50< thelmara> What's the maximum level for a non-critical unit - specifically, a Grand Knight? He's level 3, and then he leveled, but he's still level 3. I understand that he wont become a stronger unit class, but why's he still listed as being a level 3, not a level 4?
20090326 10:34:18< voris> Because he's not level 4?
20090326 10:35:38< voris> Once you hit the max level the AMLA is *instead* of leveling.
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20090326 11:04:06< Ivanovic> moin
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20090326 11:09:23< Unnheulu|Laptop> hi
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20090326 13:04:55< Shadow_Master> good mornig
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20090326 15:12:31< MaximB> hello
20090326 15:13:34< MaximB> when the map is fully revealed with no fog of war I can still see enemies ghost units who have the Nightstalk ability - is it a bug ?
20090326 15:15:05< Ivanovic> depends
20090326 15:15:45< Ivanovic> if the time of day is night, and there is no enemy unit close to the ghost, and the ghost has done nothing in this turn (neither moving nor attacking) you, as oponent should not be able to see it
20090326 15:16:24< Ivanovic> if you can see it, provide a savegame and write a bugreport including all info that comes to your mind at bugs.wesnoth.org
20090326 15:16:38< MaximB> so if the ghost moved this this and it's far from my units I should still be able to see it at night ?
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20090326 15:51:24< voris> Ivanovic: is it true that movement alone (no attack, no movement next to opposing units) should reveal a nightstalker at night?
20090326 15:51:40< voris> Ivanovic: That seemed to be what you were saying...
20090326 15:51:42< Ivanovic> voris: you should at least see the movement itself IIRC
20090326 15:51:51< voris> Interesting.
20090326 15:51:52< Ivanovic> i am *not* sure if the unit is hidden again after the movement
20090326 15:51:57< voris> Ok.
20090326 15:52:08< Ivanovic> at least this is what i know from eg woses moving in forests
20090326 15:52:30< voris> I'll have to test that out at some point. 
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20090326 16:09:36< MaximB> that's not so good as it completely misses the point of Nightstalk ability.
20090326 16:10:10< zookeeper> err, no, he's not right.
20090326 16:10:42< zookeeper> you don't (or shouldn't) see a wose moving from one forest hex to another, you don't see a nightstalker move at night.
20090326 16:11:07< MaximB> zookeeper:  even after the ghosts move they still invisible ?
20090326 16:11:21< zookeeper> yes
20090326 16:11:58< MaximB> I'll have to check this out in 1.6 as I'm sure I was able to see them at night with other version
20090326 16:12:10< Ivanovic> MaximB: *ghosts* don't have nightstalk
20090326 16:12:13< Ivanovic> the shadow has
20090326 16:12:31< MaximB> o....mmm..... that explains it ...
20090326 16:12:33< zookeeper> ...
20090326 16:12:50< voris> Sheesh.
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20090326 16:12:59< Ivanovic> in the ingame help you can click on the explaination for nightstalk and will get a list of units with this abilitxy
20090326 16:13:18< MaximB> yeah I know.... thanks .
20090326 16:13:24< voris> Well I just tested it and the behavior is the same whether shroud and fog are on or not. Can't see it, not even see it move.
20090326 16:13:40< MaximB> cool
20090326 16:14:32< MaximB> the PC AI also can't "see" them ... or plays as he can't see them ... how does it work ?
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20090326 16:20:31< Ivanovic> the AI does cheat
20090326 16:20:39< Ivanovic> the ai knows everything
20090326 16:20:46< Ivanovic> even if you have fog and shroud active
20090326 16:21:16< zookeeper> no it doesn't.
20090326 16:21:35< zookeeper> at least that's what i always keep getting told by people who should know.
20090326 16:22:09< Polarina> zookeeper: It technically knows, but it doesn't take advantage of such information.
20090326 16:22:21< zookeeper> that's the same thing.
20090326 16:22:43< voris> As I understand the AI, nightstalk and similar should be *more* effective on the AI than on humans because the AI doesn't keep track of where it last saw the unit before it disappeared.
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20090326 16:31:51< Ivanovic> voris: if i understand things correctly, the ai does not care too much about "what might the player do to me" too much...
20090326 16:32:09< Ivanovic> it cares more about "which one can i kill" as well as "where do i do most damage"
20090326 16:34:10< voris> Exactly.
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20090326 16:35:24< voris> So once something is, effectively, invisible, it's *really* invisible. Even if it had been an interesting target before, there will be no hunting for it. It may as well never have existed.
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20090326 17:01:43< Shadow_Master> turin: have you tried gimp 2.6 already?
20090326 17:02:34< turin> Shadow_Master: nah, I just set "." to "float selection" and it works decently well
20090326 17:02:40< turin> Shadow_Master: I think I'll stick with 2.4 for now
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20090326 17:04:36< Shadow_Master> turin: well, I upgraded gimp 2.4 (debian stable) to 2.6 last night and figured that not much has changed in that regard.
20090326 17:05:10< Shadow_Master> I discovered that while using the rectangle selection tool, holding CTRL-ALT and then dragging the current selection with the mouse made it "float" automatically though.
20090326 17:05:17< Shadow_Master> *makes.
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20090326 17:05:27< turin> Shadow_Master: ah well. It's actually usable if you set the hotkey to something easy to access like "."... it's just absurd that the default one is ctrl-shift-L or something like that
20090326 17:06:15< Shadow_Master> well yeah. one of the devs must have thought something like "most people want to drag the selection area, not its contents"
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20090326 17:06:43< Shadow_Master> "most people" left undefined as an excercise for the reader.
20090326 17:06:56< turin> Heh... I have never. Ever. Wanted to do that.
20090326 17:07:12< Shadow_Master> neither
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20090326 17:13:26< MaximB> about add-on's - I've downloaded them all for 1.6 - if a new (not updated) add-on comes out - how can I check that I didn't already have it ?
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20090326 17:22:19< voris> Visual inspection.
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20090326 22:06:41< Adrian_Ag> hi all
20090326 22:07:45< Adrian_Ag> can any good gamer of Drakes give me some replays (for educational purposes )
20090326 22:07:51< Adrian_Ag> ?
20090326 22:09:21< Rrenys> http://wesnoth.org/wiki/Drake_Replays but all are somewhat dated
20090326 22:11:35< Adrian_Ag> Rrenys: only one works in this list (with wesnoth 1.4.7)
20090326 22:12:25< Rrenys> Oh, right. Dno then.
20090326 22:14:59< Soliton> look at the ladder site for replays from good players.
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20090326 22:28:11< Adrian_Ag> Soliton:  ladder site? where is it?
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20090326 22:34:56< happygrue> Adrian_Ag: http://ladder.subversiva.org/index.php
20090326 22:35:54< Adrian_Ag> thanks
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