--- Log opened Sun Apr 19 00:00:32 2009
20090419 00:00:57< Blueblaze> Soliton: Would becoming a developer disqualify you to work on the project for the next year?
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20090419 00:04:08< Soliton> Blueblaze: most serious candidates are developers by the time the decision is made... we encourage them to contribute as early as possible so we can see their work. ;-)
20090419 00:04:52< Soliton> and Dragonking for example was already a long time developer before he participated in gsoc last year.
20090419 00:05:33< Blueblaze> Ahh, didn't realize that you could actually get paid to help out a project you're already helping out :p
20090419 00:05:46< Polarina> Blueblaze: :)
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20090419 00:11:54< [loonycyborg]> Hello, [Relic] :)
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20090419 00:12:18< [Relic]> Hello :)
20090419 00:26:48< Ivanovic> yiou know, i am not always sitting at my compiter
20090419 00:26:58< Ivanovic> sometimes i am eg lying on my bed watching some movie
20090419 00:27:02< Ivanovic> stuff like this...
20090419 00:27:49< Ivanovic> Polarina: and you really want me to commit your update (of course i got it...) after having had some beers?
20090419 00:28:30< Polarina> Ivanovic: Sure.
20090419 00:28:43< Polarina> Ivanovic: Just double check each command. :)
20090419 00:28:53< Ivanovic> that won't help...
20090419 00:29:10< Polarina> Ivanovic: Commit away.
20090419 00:31:50< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: have you banned any spambots today?
20090419 00:32:29< Shadow_Master> it would seem cycholka's hack forked perfectly
20090419 00:33:03< CIA-30> ivanovic * r35029 /trunk/ (10 files in 10 dirs): updated Icelandic translation
20090419 00:33:05< Ivanovic> i think i banned none today
20090419 00:33:12< CIA-30> ivanovic * r35030 /branches/1.6/ (12 files in 11 dirs): updated Icelandic translation
20090419 00:33:15< Ivanovic> the last i banned were yesterday (one with ~10 posts)
20090419 00:33:21< Shadow_Master> yeah, and there are no ban entries in today¿s ACP log
20090419 00:33:33< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: take a look at the "Register" page
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20090419 00:34:20< Ivanovic> UGH
20090419 00:34:28< Ivanovic> this captcha is *ugly* as it can get
20090419 00:34:39< Shadow_Master> yup
20090419 00:34:45< loonycyborg> "Enter the first three characters from your username and the last three from your password."? Interesting..
20090419 00:34:49< Ivanovic> to be honest: after some "maibock" i am having problems identifying the stuff
20090419 00:34:53< Ivanovic> and i am clearly human...
20090419 00:35:12< Shadow_Master> not my idea ;)
20090419 00:35:19< Polarina> Ivanovic: You might want to alphabetize the credit list. :)
20090419 00:35:39< Ivanovic> Polarina: the consequence of maibock...
20090419 00:35:50< Polarina> Ivanovic: maibock?
20090419 00:35:55< Ivanovic> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bock
20090419 00:36:00< Ivanovic> lovely stuff that is...
20090419 00:36:01< Shadow_Master> also... damnit.
20090419 00:36:19< Polarina> Ivanovic: Just add it to your TODO list. :)
20090419 00:36:22< Shadow_Master> now I understand WTF attachment snapshots get their colors screwed up
20090419 00:36:39< dfranke> Ivanovic: got a preferred brewery?
20090419 00:38:01< Ivanovic> dfranke: got some lovely stuff here right now (probably not know at all outside of germany, and even in germany not many know it)
20090419 00:38:16< Ivanovic> http://www.biertest-online.de/cgi-bin/show/ebs.pl?Data=altenmuenster_maibock
20090419 00:38:31< loonycyborg> lovely in ironic sense? :P
20090419 00:38:54< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: lovely as in "damn tasty" and "rather strong"
20090419 00:38:57< dfranke> Ivanovic: I'm a fan of Weihenstephaner Korbinian.
20090419 00:39:30< Ivanovic> dfranke: if you can get your hand on a bottle of this: don't waste it!
20090419 00:39:42< Ivanovic> (altenmünster maibock that is)
20090419 00:39:49 * loonycyborg is fan of sobriety
20090419 00:39:52< dfranke> Ivanovic: but no, I've never seen that one in the States.
20090419 00:40:11< Ivanovic> though it is limited on when you can get it anyway (Mai == May)
20090419 00:40:28< Ivanovic> you basically can get it only late in march till early in may in germany
20090419 00:40:38< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: nonetheless, I'd like to upgrade the forums some day next week
20090419 00:40:45< Shadow_Master> I hope you are okay with it
20090419 00:40:50< Ivanovic> and since it is some probably smaller brewery i would be suprised if they exported it to the us
20090419 00:41:04< Ivanovic> Shadow_Master: as long as you don't break anything i am really fine
20090419 00:41:11< Shadow_Master> :)
20090419 00:41:21< Ivanovic> Shadow_Master: and feel free to add some "forum stuff" in the svn under website/
20090419 00:41:24< Shadow_Master> there are these things called backups, you know
20090419 00:41:31< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: what kind of stuff?
20090419 00:41:36< Ivanovic> (though make sure not to upload any of the "real" config files with passwords)
20090419 00:41:52< Ivanovic> some list of mods and/or patches applied to our phpbb forum
20090419 00:41:57< Shadow_Master> for now all I have is a local git repository with the mods on my hdd
20090419 00:42:17< Shadow_Master> real patches against the vanilla phpbb 3.0.4 codebase (no config.php, obviously)
20090419 00:42:32< Ivanovic> to me it sounds like a good idea to not have those only on your HD but maybe somewhere in the official rep
20090419 00:42:52< loonycyborg> Maybe move the git repo on the server?
20090419 00:43:10< Ivanovic> since g.w.o is at svn+ssh://ivanovic@svn.gna.org/svn/wesnoth/branches/resources/gettext.wesnoth.org (should probably be moved to svn+ssh://ivanovic@svn.gna.org/svn/wesnoth/gettext )
20090419 00:43:11< Shadow_Master> yeah - but I don't know/want to expose them to public access
20090419 00:43:26< Ivanovic> the forum changes/additions should be there, too
20090419 00:43:38< Ivanovic> hmm, okay, then it is difficult
20090419 00:43:57< Ivanovic> at least place some file with the important stuff on wesnoth.org
20090419 00:44:08< Shadow_Master> it can be  a git repository somewhere in the file hiearchy
20090419 00:44:16< Shadow_Master> (nonpublic)
20090419 00:44:19< Ivanovic> basically some "how to" list should be enough, just include some "addon+version used"
20090419 00:44:35< Ivanovic> for each mod
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20090419 00:49:10< Shadow_Master> example git commit: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/d13beb000
20090419 00:49:44< Shadow_Master> I like how all the information can be obtained with a few simple commands without browsing separate README and diff files
20090419 00:50:11 * Polarina sticks to Subversion.
20090419 00:51:25< Shadow_Master> but if you want me to commit it to svn, I guess I can keep a collection of diffs and readmes in a directory
20090419 00:51:57< Shadow_Master> e.g. /branches/resources/forum/phpbb-3.0.4/bump_warning.diff, bump_warning.README
20090419 00:54:34< Shadow_Master> ;.(
20090419 00:55:17 * Polarina tickles Shadow_Master.
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20090419 00:56:35< Shadow_Master> good that e-tickles don't have the same effect on me as Real Life(tm) tickles...
20090419 00:57:35< Polarina> Also good that e-mail spam don't have the same effect on you as Real Life™ mail spams...
20090419 00:58:41< Shadow_Master> be quiet, Polarina, or I shall have to hurt you.
20090419 00:58:51< Polarina> Shadow_Master: Why?
20090419 00:59:08< Shadow_Master> because... forget it. :-/
20090419 00:59:13< Polarina> :)
20090419 01:03:10< Ivanovic> Polarina: real life spam is *good*
20090419 01:03:35< Ivanovic> can at least be reused in the chimney in winter months to warm the room
20090419 01:03:37< Shadow_Master> Polarina: no, seriously. I almost broke my head the last time someone tickled me
20090419 01:03:41< Ivanovic> no way to do this with mail spam
20090419 01:04:33< Polarina> http://www.wesnoth.org/gettext/index.lang.php?lang=is&version=branch  :-)
20090419 01:05:46< Ivanovic> Polarina: this one looks better: http://www.wesnoth.org/gettext/index.lang.php?lang=de&version=branch
20090419 01:05:50< Ivanovic> ^^
20090419 01:05:56< Polarina> xD
20090419 01:05:56< Shadow_Master> talkinga bout ImageMagick not working correctly at all in my laptop... huh, it received an update in the Debian repos
20090419 01:06:19< Ivanovic> but yes, you are making some good progress
20090419 01:06:36< Ivanovic> only 10702 strings to go till you are at 100%
20090419 01:06:52< Polarina> Ivanovic: I was referring to the 795 strings translated today into Icelandic.
20090419 01:07:21< Ivanovic> and if you want to start working on campaigns: tb is not too much and i think aoi does not have too many complicated texts either
20090419 01:08:01< Polarina> I think it would be best to finish the rest first, find the best terms for translated text and such.
20090419 01:08:13< Ivanovic> that is all up to you
20090419 01:08:25< Polarina> Of course. :)
20090419 01:08:29< Ivanovic> personally i love some "story related stuff", too
20090419 01:08:42< Ivanovic> so working on a campaign for a change is *great fun*
20090419 01:09:15< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: should I make a svn dir with the diffs and readmes then?
20090419 01:09:20< Polarina> If I finish the boring stuff first, only fun is left. :P
20090419 01:09:21< Shadow_Master> (_my_ own diffs and readmes)
20090419 01:09:50< Ivanovic> Shadow_Master: i think this would make some sense
20090419 01:09:57< Ivanovic> so yeah, i would welcome this
20090419 01:10:09< Shadow_Master> I still would prefer a standalone git repository in case a patch affects other patch
20090419 01:10:34< Shadow_Master> but I guess I already have it
20090419 01:11:01< CIA-30> ivanovic * r35031 /trunk/data/core/about.cfg: restore this strange thing called "alphabetical order"...
20090419 01:11:02< CIA-30> ivanovic * r35032 /branches/1.6/data/core/about.cfg: restore this strange thing called "alphabetical order"...
20090419 01:11:16< Polarina> CIA-30: SLOW!
20090419 01:11:24< Shadow_Master> don't do that
20090419 01:11:31< Polarina> Shadow_Master: Sorry.
20090419 01:11:49< Ivanovic> loonycyborg, silene: this one sounds interesting... http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=352917#p352917
20090419 01:14:53< Ivanovic> time for my lovely warm bed, n8
20090419 01:15:04< Polarina> Ivanovic: Sleep well. :)
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20090419 01:20:45< loonycyborg> I hope that it isn't something Vista-specific. Probably it will be hard for me to help out with Vista-specific issues :P
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20090419 01:42:53< Polarina> What's wrong with the second most bottom language at http://www.wesnoth.org/gettext/index.php?package=alloff&order=trans&version=branch ?
20090419 01:51:09 * Polarina ponders over.
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20090419 02:04:10< Polarina> Good old times, http://www.wesnoth.org/images/sshots/ancient-03.jpg  :-)
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20090419 02:26:00< Polarina> Yay! Someone actually changed "stoned" to "petrified" in trunk. :)
20090419 02:26:23< Crab_> Polarina: 'Someone' = esr
20090419 02:26:31< Polarina> esr: You're epic! :D
20090419 02:27:04< Polarina> Crab_: Happen to know which revision?
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20090419 02:28:00< Crab_> Polarina: r34747
20090419 02:28:21< Polarina> wesbot: log 34747
20090419 02:28:22< wesbot> esr * r34747 : Change the trannstive verb "stone" (as in "turn to stone") to "petrify", and
20090419 02:28:22< Shadow_Master> Polarina: it was made some hours after you mentioned it IIRC
20090419 02:28:29< Crab_> with some follow-up in r34756 to make old saves work
20090419 02:28:29< wesbot> URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=34747
20090419 02:28:30< dfranke> What are those things that look like factories in that screenshot?  Are those supposed to be villages?
20090419 02:28:32< Polarina> Shadow_Master: Ah. I didn't notice.
20090419 02:28:38< Shadow_Master> dfranke: yes
20090419 02:28:42< Shadow_Master> believe it or not!
20090419 02:29:00< dfranke> I think I still recognize the level though.
20090419 02:29:05< dfranke> Muf-Malal's Peninsula?
20090419 02:30:16< Shadow_Master> yeah, probably
20090419 02:30:30< Shadow_Master> at least the map of it. IIRC they had different names
20090419 02:30:33< Shadow_Master> and a different storyline
20090419 02:31:02< dfranke> The sides are right for it, and the minimap is the right shape.
20090419 02:39:48< Shadow_Master> I begin to miss those darn spambots ;(
20090419 02:40:05 * Polarina makes a spambot.
20090419 02:40:32 * Shadow_Master slaps Polarina with a large trout
20090419 02:40:42< Shadow_Master> I was just kidding about the bots! Just kidding, man!
20090419 02:41:05 * dfranke sends Shadow_Master a CTCP version to make sure he isn't actually using mIRC.
20090419 02:41:07< Polarina> It's too late, the AI has invented countermeasures to kill -9
20090419 02:41:21< Shadow_Master> dfranke: :O
20090419 02:41:27< Shadow_Master> why?
20090419 02:41:50< dfranke> Shadow_Master: that's where the 'large trout' macro originates
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20090419 02:58:34< Shadow_Master> curse ImageMagick! aaaah
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20090419 03:02:07< CIA-30> shadowmaster * r35033 /branches/resources/forum.wesnoth.org/: Create hiearchy for forum software patches.
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20090419 03:38:23< Sapient> umm... so replays of everything that happens on the official MP server are being saved now?
20090419 03:39:01< Sapient> and available for download on teh internets
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20090419 03:41:03< CIA-30> shadowmaster * r35034 /branches/resources/forum.wesnoth.org/phpbb-3.0.4/ (. README): Initial directory for phpBB 3.0.4 patches.
20090419 04:13:39< CIA-30> esr * r35035 /trunk/data/campaigns/Delfadors_Memoirs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): New ending for Showdown in the Northern Swamp is working.
20090419 04:15:27< esr> fendrin: Unless there are serious bugs in the last two scenarios, the hard parts of polishing up DM are done.
20090419 04:21:54< dfranke> esr: let me know when you'd like me to play it through again.  I see that you've already fixed the "staff of invulnerability" issue that I complained about on your blog.
20090419 04:22:05< Sapient> why can't I see the side leaders name in MP status menu?
20090419 04:22:19< Sapient> (1.6)
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20090419 04:25:38< esr> dfranke: Now would be a good time to srttart; I'm balance-testing scenario 20 and have only two more to go.
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20090419 04:57:54< dfranke> whoever is doing the savegame reorganization has his work cut out for him...
20090419 04:58:36< dfranke> If you recruit by pressing Ctrl+R, then the coordinates that appear in the replay file are wherever your mouse happpend to be at the time, not where the unit was actually recruited.
20090419 04:58:56< Shadow_Master> yogihh would be the man
20090419 04:59:04< Shadow_Master> or bear.
20090419 04:59:22< Sapient> yes, he would be the bear
20090419 04:59:26< Shadow_Master> unless I'm missing a GSoC student role
20090419 04:59:40< dfranke> Shadow_Master: yes, that's a GSoC project.
20090419 05:05:29< Shadow_Master> did I just blow up wesnoth.org, or is my ISP all screwed up?
20090419 05:05:49< Shadow_Master> oh... it is timing out only on a particular forum thread
20090419 05:12:34< esr> dfranke: Best file that as a bug so it doesn't get forgotten.
20090419 05:13:23< esr> I just finished testing through DM:21.  Looks like I might get finished tonight.
20090419 05:14:36< Sapient> cya later, have fun.
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20090419 06:09:36< CIA-30> esr * r35036 /trunk/data/campaigns/Delfadors_Memoirs/ (WALKTHROUGH scenarios/12_terror_at_the_ford_of_parthyn.cfg): Walkthrough and some cosmetic changes.
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20090419 06:44:01< CIA-30> esr * r35037 /trunk/data/campaigns/Delfadors_Memoirs/scenarios/21_clash_at_the_manor.cfg: Text improvement and a translation note.
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20090419 08:01:36< mordante> hi
20090419 08:32:59< dfranke> esr: does "thorum restro targa thorum" mean anything?
20090419 08:35:04< esr> dfranke: Not as far as I know.  I think that was tapik's invention, and intended to be a magical chant in some unknown language.
20090419 08:35:44< dfranke> esr: I desperately want "targa" to be "shield"
20090419 08:36:05< esr> :-)
20090419 08:36:25< esr> Wrong final vowel.
20090419 08:37:26< esr> I'm off to sleep.
20090419 08:37:39< dfranke> esr: it's correct in OE.
20090419 08:37:58< dfranke> but the incantation is clearly latinate.
20090419 08:38:07< dfranke> (if it's anything, that is)
20090419 08:38:13< esr> Really?  I only knew of the Scots-dialect "targe".
20090419 08:38:41< esr> Well, intended to sound Latinate, anyway.
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20090419 08:51:45< ancestral> dfranke: targa is almost "targe"
20090419 08:52:00 * ancestral looks up at the dialogue
20090419 08:52:10< ancestral> Somebody beat me to it
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20090419 09:40:47< Ivanovic> moin
20090419 09:43:41< mordante> hi Ivanovic 
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20090419 09:50:39< CIA-30> mordante * r35038 /trunk/src/gui/widgets/ (grid.cpp grid.hpp grid_private.hpp): (log message trimmed)
20090419 09:50:39< CIA-30> Add a helper header for a small test.
20090419 09:50:39< CIA-30> Quoting the header:
20090419 09:50:39< CIA-30> This file is being used for a small experiment in which some private
20090419 09:50:39< CIA-30> functions of tgrid are no longer in tgrid but moved in a friend class with
20090419 09:50:41< CIA-30> static functions. The goal is to have less header recompilations, when
20090419 09:50:45< CIA-30> there's a need to add or remove a private function.
20090419 09:51:29< CIA-30> mordante * r35039 /trunk/src/gui/widgets/grid_private.hpp: Fix a typo.
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20090419 10:02:45< CIA-30> mordante * r35040 /trunk/src/gui/widgets/grid.cpp: 
20090419 10:02:45< CIA-30> Code cleanups.
20090419 10:02:45< CIA-30> Where possible changed the for loop to a foreach loop. delete 0 is valid so
20090419 10:02:45< CIA-30> remove the checks for that condition in the code.
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20090419 10:33:05< euschn> good morning
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20090419 10:33:51< mordante>  hi euschn 
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20090419 12:08:08< CIA-30> silene * r35041 /trunk/src/game_events.cpp: Removed the C++ code for [show_objectives] as it was never released.
20090419 12:08:18< CIA-30> silene * r35042 /trunk/ (changelog data/lua/wml-tags.lua): Implemented support for dynamic objectives. The [show_if] tag can now be used in [objective] tags. (bug #13042)
20090419 12:13:48< Ivanovic> silene: saw this one? http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=352917#p352917
20090419 12:16:49< Chusslove> In help WML, how to escape single quote in text='...'?
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20090419 12:19:08< silene> Ivanovic: way out of mt league, i didn't even know we were accessing the registry; in fact, i don't think we do, windows probably does, but i don't know why (and i'm not even sure this is documented); another windows user should try whether the registry is also accessed during a normal run
20090419 12:19:51< loonycyborg> Probably by gettext.
20090419 12:20:15< Crab_> Chusslove, you can try text=" ... "
20090419 12:20:47< loonycyborg> Or by std::setlocale
20090419 12:21:40< Ivanovic> silene: short guess: this is due to the change with the locale
20090419 12:21:50< Ivanovic> and gettext doing the access stuff
20090419 12:24:35< loonycyborg> Also, that spinning could be caused by something else and gettext calls just happened to be in the way.
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20090419 12:33:02< Reisiger> Just tried the 1.6.1 win32 release with no such sympthoms... altho I am running Win7 x64...
20090419 12:33:15< silene> i have reviewed the change between 1.6.1 and 1.5.9, and the only difference is that we no longer touch the LC_ALL locale on Windows (which was causing the submerge and AI bugs); it shouldn't make a difference, especially not for someone who is using the "English_United States" locale
20090419 12:35:12< Ivanovic> but he is using English_United Kingdom
20090419 12:35:29< zookeeper> esr, you should probably move the contents of the DM walkthrough file to wiki/MainlineCampaigns
20090419 12:36:19< Reisiger> this is odd... shouldn't running wesnoth from cmd with --log-debug=general create a stderr.txt?
20090419 12:38:30< silene> Ivanovic: indeed, he is using the UK locale for sorting strings; perhaps it makes a difference
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20090419 13:32:16< Polarina> The PO validity report is giving false alarms. It says missing interpolation for $friends, but it's there, in all plural forms.
20090419 13:32:45< Polarina> Same for $enemies
20090419 13:35:28< Chusslove> Polarina: You are looking at wrong messages. Check the two before the two that are correct.
20090419 13:35:45< Polarina> I see.
20090419 13:36:01< Polarina> Thank you.
20090419 13:36:09< Chusslove> No problem.
20090419 13:36:24< Polarina> This is going to be a problem.
20090419 13:37:36< Polarina> That's because Icelandic has two different forms of Plural-Forms (which one is used depends on the context), but I cannot use them interchangeably.
20090419 13:37:44< Chusslove> It looks stupid when number 1 appears in translation?
20090419 13:37:55< Polarina> Chusslove: Yes.
20090419 13:39:12< Polarina> But seriously, I need a way to use more than one form of Plural-Forms or the translation can never be correct.
20090419 13:39:29< Chusslove> Russian has same problem there. Russian translator therefore wrote to me the following: since it's highly unlikely that there will ever be 21 units in those messages, he'll just add "# ignore-interpolations: $friends" translator comment
20090419 13:40:09< Chusslove> Which, in my opinion, is a poor solution. A better solution is to introduce yet another plural form, covering exactly n == 1.
20090419 13:40:30< Polarina> gettext doesn't allow multiple Plural-Forms to what I know.
20090419 13:41:04< Chusslove> You have two plural forms in Icelandic. You could easily have three, four or ten.
20090419 13:41:15< Polarina> No, not my point.
20090419 13:41:29< Polarina> gettext still hasn't enough flexibility.
20090419 13:41:44< Polarina> There are different formulas, used based on context, not number of things.
20090419 13:41:58< Chusslove> Don't understand.
20090419 13:42:34< Polarina> When listing up things like  "Outdated addons: ..." and "Outdated addon: addon", the formula is (n != 1).
20090419 13:42:51< Chusslove> For English, German, etc. yes.
20090419 13:43:04< Polarina> But on something like "$number computers", it's the longer one.
20090419 13:43:32< Chusslove> Ah, gotcha.
20090419 13:43:51< Chusslove> Still, there's enough flexibility. You just need third plural form, for exactly n == 1.
20090419 13:44:02< Polarina> That won't do it.
20090419 13:46:02< Chusslove> It should do it. If msgstr[0] is for numbers 21, 31... msgstr[1] for numbers other than this and 1, and msgstr[2] for exactly 1, then...
20090419 13:46:26< Polarina> I see.
20090419 13:46:31< Chusslove> In case of "Oudated addons:..." msgstr[0] and msgstr[1] will be the same, and msgstr[2] the singular.
20090419 13:47:09< Chusslove> And in case of "$number something", msgstr[0] and msgstr[1] are not going to be the same, and msgstr[2] might or might not be the same as msgstr[0], depending if you want to have 1 in there or not.
20090419 13:47:35< Polarina> Cool, thank you.
20090419 13:47:49< Chusslove> Any time :)
20090419 13:54:40< Polarina> I'm just fixing current translations for the moment.
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20090419 14:15:16< CIA-30> mordante * r35043 /trunk/src/gui/widgets/ (grid.cpp grid_private.hpp): 
20090419 14:15:16< CIA-30> Optimize the template functions.
20090419 14:15:16< CIA-30> The function can now determine some extra helper types, which reduces
20090419 14:15:16< CIA-30> the template parameters. Now so simple the wrapper functions can be
20090419 14:15:16< CIA-30> removed.
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20090419 15:16:03< CIA-30> ivanovic * r35045 /branches/1.6/po/ (wesnoth/de.po wesnoth-trow/de.po): updated German translation (fixing reference/WML errors as pointed out by Chusslove in a mail to the wesnoth-i18n ml)
20090419 15:16:13< CIA-30> ivanovic * r35044 /trunk/po/ (wesnoth/de.po wesnoth-trow/de.po): updated German translation (fixing reference/WML errors as pointed out by Chusslove in a mail to the wesnoth-i18n ml)
20090419 15:17:22< Polarina> Chusslove: Why don't you get yourself a wesnoth/*/chusslove cloak? :)
20090419 15:17:46< Chusslove> Don't know how, and don't know why I should find out how :)
20090419 15:18:28< Polarina> Chusslove: Just ask Ivanovic, he will do the rest for you. :)
20090419 15:19:05< Chusslove> Then there's the question of why he should spend the time (even if a minute or less) doing so?
20090419 15:19:35 * Chusslove is allergic to non-function, identity-only feathers.
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20090419 15:27:08< Soliton> identification is a function.
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20090419 16:28:40< CIA-30> ivanovic * r35046 /trunk/po/ (8 files in 8 dirs): updated Italian translation
20090419 16:28:42< CIA-30> ivanovic * r35047 /branches/1.6/po/ (6 files in 6 dirs): updated Italian translation
20090419 16:52:36< CIA-30> mordante * r35048 /trunk/src/gui/widgets/ (grid.cpp grid_private.hpp): Templatize another find_widget function.
20090419 17:04:28< Soliton> how do i send ^C to a program in gdb?
20090419 17:05:25< CIA-30> mordante * r35049 /trunk/src/ai/ (formula_candidates.cpp formula_candidates.hpp): Initialize all members.
20090419 17:05:29< CIA-30> mordante * r35050 /trunk/src/unit_frame.hpp: Initialize all members.
20090419 17:05:33< CIA-30> mordante * r35051 /trunk/src/ai/ai_actions.cpp: Initialize all members.
20090419 17:05:37< CIA-30> mordante * r35052 /trunk/src/ai/formula_ai.hpp: Fix indention.
20090419 17:05:42< CIA-30> mordante * r35053 /trunk/src/ai/formula_ai.cpp: Initialize all members.
20090419 17:06:19< Soliton> ah, 'signal 2'.
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20090419 18:35:21< Polarina> In wesnoth-lib, what does "landform" mean?
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20090419 18:44:57< gabm> Hi all
20090419 18:45:21< mordante> hi gabm 
20090419 18:45:29< gabm> mordante: hi
20090419 18:45:58< gabm> boucman: did you have time to take a look at my patch? ;)
20090419 18:51:10< Polarina> What does "landform" mean?
20090419 18:53:29< happygrue> Polarina: are you asking about the definition of the word?
20090419 18:53:48< Polarina> Yes.
20090419 18:53:52< Polarina> It's not on dict.org
20090419 18:53:54< happygrue> "One of the features that make up the earth's surface, such as a plain, mountain, or valley."
20090419 18:54:20< Polarina> So, it can be something like "type of terrain"?
20090419 18:55:05< happygrue> it is a feature of the land, lots of forest hexes make up "a forest", which would be a landform
20090419 18:55:08< happygrue> as I understand it
20090419 18:55:20< Polarina> I see.
20090419 18:55:48< happygrue> depends a bit on the scale in question I guess.
20090419 18:55:57< Polarina> Huh?
20090419 18:56:52< happygrue> well, a mountain in the middle of nowhere could be a landform, or lots of mountain hexes forming a range of mountians seems to also be a landform, as I understand it
20090419 18:57:33< happygrue> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landform
20090419 18:57:35< Polarina> Ok.
20090419 18:57:53 * Polarina loves wikipedia.
20090419 18:57:58< Polarina> It gave me the translation!
20090419 18:58:28< happygrue> great :)
20090419 18:58:45< Polarina> happygrue: On the left, do you see the box named "languages"?
20090419 18:59:03< happygrue> yes, though I have never noticed it before
20090419 18:59:06< happygrue> nice feature
20090419 18:59:13< Polarina> happygrue: Click on "Íslenska"
20090419 18:59:18< Polarina> And voila! :D
20090419 19:02:29< CIA-30> ivanovic * r35054 /trunk/po/wesnoth-tutorial/zh_TW.po: updated Chinese (Traditional) translation
20090419 19:02:32< CIA-30> ivanovic * r35055 /branches/1.6/po/wesnoth-tutorial/zh_TW.po: updated Chinese (Traditional) translation
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20090419 19:04:14< Polarina> Only one funky string left and wesnoth-lib is done for! :D
20090419 19:06:37< Polarina> Multiplayer command wrapper dialog   :O
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20090419 19:06:59< Polarina> Someone define for me "wrapper dialog".
20090419 19:09:08< mordante> the dialog is used to make it easier to type MP commands
20090419 19:09:38< Polarina> Is it fine if I translated it as if it were written "Multiplayer command dialog"?
20090419 19:10:40< mordante> yes and maybe we should change to original to that as well
20090419 19:10:58< Polarina> :)
20090419 19:11:02< Ivanovic> mordante: but not in 1.6 since this is not really needed to be changed there...
20090419 19:11:49< CIA-30> silene * r35056 /trunk/src/ (game_events.cpp scripting/lua.cpp team.hpp): Simplified team interface a bit.
20090419 19:12:11< mordante> Polarina, where's the string located
20090419 19:12:12< mordante> ?
20090419 19:12:19< Polarina> mordante: wesnoth-lib
20090419 19:12:46< mordante> I was hoping for the original ;-)
20090419 19:12:53< Polarina> mordante: ?
20090419 19:13:24< mordante> well I was wondering where the original string is located
20090419 19:13:28< stikonas> data/guis/default/window/mp_cmd_wrapper.cfg
20090419 19:13:37< stikonas> line 8
20090419 19:13:40< Polarina> mordante: It's written all over the .po files.
20090419 19:14:18< mordante> Polarina, yes but I don't have to po open and I assumed you did
20090419 19:14:20< stikonas> by the way what does canvas in wesnoth-lib stands for?
20090419 19:14:24< mordante> thanks stikonas 
20090419 19:14:40< mordante> original translations shared by editor and main game
20090419 19:14:47< Polarina> stikonas: It's a specific area of a specific size.
20090419 19:14:59< Polarina> stikonas: Used to draw things in.
20090419 19:16:05< mordante> hmm not even too sure the string needs a translation in the first place
20090419 19:16:19< mordante> but well might be handy for the future
20090419 19:17:22< Polarina> Yay! wesnoth-lib done.
20090419 19:17:58< mordante> congrats Polarina 
20090419 19:18:03< CIA-30> mordante * r35057 /trunk/data/gui/default/window/mp_cmd_wrapper.cfg: 
20090419 19:18:03< CIA-30> Updated the description string.
20090419 19:18:03< CIA-30> The original string wasn't too clear and Polarina had a better suggestion.
20090419 19:19:15< Polarina> My name in the the revision control... *passes out*
20090419 19:19:29 * Polarina hugs mordante.
20090419 19:20:11< mordante> you're welcome :-)
20090419 19:20:18 * mordante hugs Polarina 
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20090419 19:52:36< CIA-30> esr * r35058 /trunk/data/campaigns/Delfadors_Memoirs/utils/sides.cfg: Improve explanatory comments.
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20090419 20:00:08< CIA-30> esr * r35059 /trunk/data/campaigns/Delfadors_Memoirs/utils/sides.cfg: Tweak a recruit list slightly.
20090419 20:07:11< CIA-30> ai0867 * r35060 /trunk/data/scenario-test.cfg: Add [show_objectives] testcase.
20090419 20:07:26< CIA-30> ai0867 * r35061 /trunk/data/scenario-test.cfg: [objectives][show_if] testcase.
20090419 20:11:36< AI0867> silene: there's an issues with your lua [objectives][show_if]: the objectives don't update until [show_objectives] is used
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20090419 20:14:12< mordante> I'm off bye
20090419 20:14:23< silene> AI0867: is it an issue? it is precisely what was asked for in the feature request
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20090419 20:14:26< AI0867> to test: start the test scenario the objectives state the location of the enemy leader, even if he moves (or you make him move) this stays the same until you move your leader to the well to trigger a [show_objectives]
20090419 20:15:10< AI0867> silene: it may be what's in the feature request, but it seems somewhat lacking
20090419 20:15:32< AI0867> old-fashioned objectives can be changed silently, but not these
20090419 20:17:34< Soliton> is it ever useful not to show the new objectives?
20090419 20:18:13< silene> AI0867: so it is just a matter of adding a silent field to show_objectives, or is it more than that?
20090419 20:18:48< Ivanovic> new objectives should *always* be shown IMO
20090419 20:19:28< Ivanovic> silently changed objectes will easily be lost
20090419 20:19:36< AI0867> silene: that will probably do it
20090419 20:19:44< AI0867> I'll take a look at the lua
20090419 20:21:15< Ivanovic> AI0867: *should* the objectives really change silently without explicitly showing the change to the player?
20090419 20:21:38< AI0867> but in the testcase, that would require silently calling [show_objectives] every time the leader moves (either invalidating undo or being inaccurate after an undo)
20090419 20:21:47< Ivanovic> AI0867: *WHY* silently?
20090419 20:21:51< AI0867> Ivanovic: if not, why does [objectives]silent exist?
20090419 20:22:06< Soliton> well, why does it?
20090419 20:22:10< Ivanovic> AI0867: i have *NO* idea why it exists and IMO it can probably be removed
20090419 20:22:12< Soliton> is it used anywhere?
20090419 20:22:32< silene> AI0867: rather than not showing the objectives, it may be interesting not showing them if they have not changed; it would be a much more useful semantic for "silent"
20090419 20:23:05< Ivanovic> silene: uhm, what is such an objective block for when not changing things?
20090419 20:23:36< Blueblaze> Ivanovic: In answer to your questions, yes, objectives should be able to be changed without explicitly showing the change to the player
20090419 20:23:42< silene> Ivanovic: objectives block now support [show_if], so they may dynamically change whenever [show_objectives] is called
20090419 20:24:23< Ivanovic> Blueblaze: my question is basically: what for?
20090419 20:24:51< Ivanovic> silene: sounds ugly and *strange* to me...
20090419 20:25:14< AI0867> Ivanovic: it is used in TSG 08b
20090419 20:25:33< silene> AI0867: anyway, i agree the feature-request is a bit ill-designed; so it may be worth calling [show_obectives] whenever the user manually displays the objectives
20090419 20:26:16< silene> (now that i have cleaned the game_events code, it's trivial to call wml action handlers from outside events)
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20090419 20:27:42< Soliton> Rhonda: any plans on setting up spam protection for the abuse@ account? (or generally really)
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20090419 20:28:53< AI0867> silent=yes is used to silently remove a note
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20090419 20:48:31< CIA-30> ai0867 * r35062 /branches/1.6/po/ (wesnoth/nl.po wesnoth-trow/nl.po wesnoth-tutorial/nl.po): Fix dutch translation errors from mailinglist.
20090419 20:48:45< Soliton> loonycyborg: wesnoth is not added to the windows add/remove programs thingy?
20090419 20:50:17< loonycyborg> Nope. Not yet.
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20090419 20:54:23< CIA-30> silene * r35063 /trunk/src/ (game_events.cpp scripting/lua.cpp team.cpp team.hpp unit.cpp): Stored gold and income as integers. Clarified naming of team interface.
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20090419 21:08:21< CIA-30> silene * r35064 /trunk/src/ (team.cpp team.hpp): Fixed broken i18n of team names.
20090419 21:13:14< CIA-30> esr * r35065 /trunk/data/campaigns/Delfadors_Memoirs/ (scenarios/20_prince_of_wesnoth.cfg utils/sides.cfg): Make Delfador return with the correct class in Clash at the Manor.
20090419 21:21:09< CIA-30> silene * r35066 /trunk/src/scripting/lua.cpp: Added a few more Lua accessors for team data.
20090419 21:21:10< zookeeper> yes, there's sometimes good reasons not to show new objectives.
20090419 21:22:38< zookeeper> [show_if] should have absolutely no effect on when the objectives dialog is displayed
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20090419 21:24:05< silene> zookeeper: it doesn't (and i don't think this was the topic of the discussion)
20090419 21:24:14< zookeeper> and yes, silent=yes is useful too
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20090419 21:24:44< zookeeper> silene, ok
20090419 21:25:24< zookeeper> silene, btw, what did you change about the team name display handling? i'm just curious since it's been broken and fixed the wrong way several times before...
20090419 21:26:24< silene> zookeeper: user_team_name was stored in its translated form instead of its ready-to-translate one
20090419 21:26:52< zookeeper> roger
20090419 21:29:36< boucman> back...
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20090419 21:42:01< CIA-30> silene * r35067 /trunk/src/menu_events.cpp: Ensured the show_objectives action handler is called when the user asks for objectives, in case the scenario wants to perform special actions, or just to make sure that they are up-to-date.
20090419 21:42:29< silene> AI0867: ^ this should solve all the issues, and it does make a lot more sense to me than the behavior of the FR
20090419 21:42:58< CIA-30> esr * r35068 /trunk/data/campaigns/Delfadors_Memoirs/scenarios/22_face_of_the_enemy.cfg: Arrange for Sagus's dialog to fire properly.
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20090419 21:46:16< esr> fendrin_: ping?
20090419 21:47:19< fendrin_> esr: pong
20090419 21:48:41< esr> fendrin_: OK, I've played DM all the way through, fixed all bugs I could finmd, and polished it.  I see two remaining issues:
20090419 21:49:35< esr> (1) In Clash at the manor, therre is special code to make cavalry run for the signposts, but I have not seen the AI recruit any cavalry.
20090419 21:50:38< esr> (2) Face of the Enemy is boring.  The map needs more visial interes - just wandering through a featureless maze bashing undead is not very interesting.
20090419 21:50:57< CIA-30> mordante * r35069 /trunk/data/scenario-test.cfg: Remove translation markers from test scenario.
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20090419 21:53:18< silene> about the test scenario, it seems to me like it is always loaded in memory; this most certainly doesn't help wesnoth performance-wise
20090419 21:53:21< fendrin_> esr: 22 needs a story. And some mechanism.
20090419 21:53:46< fendrin_> After that it can get a new map.
20090419 21:53:54< silene> (especially  since they have become quite bloated nowadays)
20090419 21:54:02< CIA-30> ai0867 * r35070 /trunk/data/scenario-test.cfg: Remove duplicate event.
20090419 21:54:16< Sapient> yeah, the test scenario could use a trim down anyways
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20090419 21:56:53< esr> fendrin_: What do you mean by "mechanism"?  (I can probably supply story.)
20090419 21:57:06< Soliton> i think it's nice to have all kinds of tests in the test scenario but it's certainly useless to have it loaded when wesnoth is not started with -t.
20090419 21:57:31< Soliton> should be easy to put it in some #ifdef?
20090419 21:57:53< boucman> zookeeper: would you know how to add http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=352772#p352772 or do we need the author "go" to do so ?
20090419 21:58:49< Sapient> #ifdef TEST means you'd have invalid cache compared to regular startups, but I think that's acceptable
20090419 21:59:23< Soliton> well, it'd create a new cache and not invalidate the regular one, right?
20090419 21:59:34< fendrin_> esr: Something to do beside kill the enemy.
20090419 21:59:36< Sapient> right
20090419 21:59:50< esr> fendrin_: Hm.
20090419 22:00:04< esr> fendrin_: I'll have to think about that.
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20090419 22:05:57< silene> Sapient, Soliton: it works for tutorial, it should work for test scenarios :-)
20090419 22:20:05< Soliton> silene, Sapient: http://rafb.net/p/vBLVmB53.html  looks good? i can commit if someone else tests (and it compiles).
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20090419 22:30:58< silene> Soliton: it looks good; do you reall need someone else to test?
20090419 22:32:38< CIA-30> ai0867 * r35071 /trunk/po/ (wesnoth/nl.po wesnoth-trow/nl.po wesnoth-tutorial/nl.po): Fix dutch translation errors from mailinglist.
20090419 22:34:04< Soliton> silene: not really i guess. i'll just see if the default test scenario works and commit.
20090419 22:34:50< silene> Soliton: you probably can remove the lines just below, i don't see the point of the try/catch block
20090419 22:37:20< Soliton> silene: you mean just exit when an exception occurs and not go back to the main menu?
20090419 22:40:06< silene> Soliton: yes, don't catch the exception, just let it propagate, since we don't return to the main menu anyway
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20090419 22:40:51< silene> that way we will get an error message that is actually useful instead of negating it
20090419 22:41:16< silene> s/negating/discarding/
20090419 22:46:06< Soliton> well, you can return to the main menu when you load a game.
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20090419 22:48:10< silene> Soliton: sure, but in the catch block, you are returning "false", so it goes straight to exit after discarding the error message
20090419 22:48:32< silene> so let's get ride of this catch block
20090419 22:48:48< Soliton> yep, indeed.
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20090419 22:50:37< silene> didn't someone find the cause of this bug already?! http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=25139
20090419 22:51:22< Soliton> i suppose i can also remove the catch of the config::error since i'm already doing what's done in the catch block.
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20090419 22:53:36< silene> Soliton: yes, that's what i meant: just remove the 7 lines and replace them by a call to load_came_cfg
20090419 23:00:44< Soliton> level 4 konrad in utbs?
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20090419 23:06:11< Soliton> hmm, Kaleh doesn't show in the test scenario even though the correct binary path should be added.
20090419 23:08:01< CIA-30> soliton * r35072 /trunk/ (data/_main.cfg src/game.cpp): only load the test scenarios when we're in test mode
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20090419 23:32:27< boucman> hey Crab_
20090419 23:33:10< Crab_> hi boucman
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20090419 23:59:01< zookeeper> uh oh, i have 190MB's worth of cache files...
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