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20090424 00:01:47< ancestral> Anyone familiar with wmlunits?
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20090424 00:02:45< Soliton> yes.
20090424 00:02:55< ancestral> So the tool isn't very clear
20090424 00:02:59< Crab_> silene: I'm still getting that compilation error about sendfile (r35144, ./autogen.sh, then gmake)
20090424 00:03:16< ancestral> Data dir, output dir and language are mandatory options?
20090424 00:03:32< Soliton> no.
20090424 00:03:52< Soliton> output dir is.
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20090424 00:04:31< silene> Crab_: what does configure says? that it found sys/sendfile.h? if not, it may just be a stall config.h
20090424 00:04:46 * ancestral is trying it again
20090424 00:05:15< ancestral> "No macro languages." You sure?
20090424 00:05:40< Crab_> I will delete config.h and try again. no, it hasn't found sendfile.h
20090424 00:05:47< ancestral> Or I should rephrase - are there other mandatory options?
20090424 00:06:06< Soliton> "Specify Wesnoth's data to use. Default is to search current directory upwards."
20090424 00:06:24< Soliton> if you're not starting it from a checkout or so you have to specify the data dir.
20090424 00:07:16< ancestral> So it depends on the directory I'm in
20090424 00:09:04< ancestral> So, for example, I could be in a campaign folder in the main directory?
20090424 00:09:12-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: accepted students for SoC: http://socghop.appspot.com/org/home/google/gsoc2009/wesnoth | 54 bugs, 235 feature requests, 10 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org/ | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
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20090424 00:12:14< ancestral> Soliton: I seem to get "No macro languages." again
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20090424 00:16:26< Soliton> so specify the data dir.
20090424 00:17:32< ancestral> literally the data folder?
20090424 00:18:10< ancestral> Okay seems to be working, however...
20090424 00:18:34< ancestral> "sh: convert: command not found"
20090424 00:18:58< ancestral> "IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'data/tools/unit_tree/style.css'"
20090424 00:20:01< ancestral> "style.css" is definitely there though, so is there an issue with it getting the correct path to the file?
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20090424 00:20:45< Soliton> you need imagemagick for the teamcolor script.
20090424 00:21:03< ancestral> Yay more undocumented stuff
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20090424 00:21:12< Shadow_Master> aha... so that's why it produces slightly different output to my wesnoth-tc
20090424 00:21:29< Shadow_Master> weird IM :/
20090424 00:21:29< Crab_> silene: deleted config.h, run autogen.sh again (it hasn't found sendfile.h ), run gmake - still getting that compile error.
20090424 00:21:38< ancestral> Soliton: Sorry, can you describe what imagemagick is and where I can get it
20090424 00:21:58< Soliton> no.
20090424 00:22:09< ancestral> Soliton: Okay… hmmm…
20090424 00:23:02< ancestral> Guess I'll be looking into the python script. Thanks for your help.
20090424 00:23:07 * Polarina thinks there's a need for tons of more multiplayer maps.
20090424 00:23:13< Crab_> silene: I will try to delete src/config.h as well
20090424 00:23:16< silene> Crab_: is HAVE_SENDFILE defined in config.h?
20090424 00:23:36< Crab_> silene: it was *not* defined in ./config.h, but it was defined in src/config.h
20090424 00:23:47< silene> Crab_: what do you mean src/config.h? what is that file?
20090424 00:24:00< Crab_> (I guess that cmake uses it)
20090424 00:24:16< silene> (ah...)
20090424 00:25:44< Crab_> so, fgrepping for HAVE_SENDFILE now gives no "#define" results. I guess that it will compile now.. I'll see in 15 minutes.
20090424 00:26:26< Crab_> that's what I get from trying all buildsystems in turn :)
20090424 00:26:38< silene> Crab_: could you just type "make network_worker.o"? so that i can to bed knowing that it compiles ;-)
20090424 00:27:16< Crab_> it compiles :)
20090424 00:27:23< Crab_> thanks! :)
20090424 00:27:41< Crab_> (note: 'gmake', not make, in freebsd)
20090424 00:27:57< silene> great! good night
20090424 00:28:27< Crab_> night, silene
20090424 00:32:11< CIA-30> soliton * r35148 /branches/1.6/data/tools/wmlunits: correct datadir option description and also use the datadir when copying the css
20090424 00:33:10< CIA-30> soliton * r35149 /trunk/data/tools/wmlunits: correct datadir option description and also use the datadir when copying the css
20090424 00:33:42< Polarina> scons: warning: The ListOption() function is deprecated; use the ListVariable() function instead.
20090424 00:33:42< Polarina> File "/home/polarina/projects/wesnoth/branches/1.6/SConstruct", line 45, in <module>
20090424 00:34:14< loonycyborg> Polarina: That's fixed in trunk.
20090424 00:34:36< Polarina> Ok, good.
20090424 00:35:09< loonycyborg> And won't be backported to 1.6 because it should work with scons 0.96.93
20090424 00:36:24< Polarina> Checking for C function sendfile()... no
20090424 00:36:24< Polarina> Checking for C function round()... no
20090424 00:36:24< Polarina> Why am I getting that?
20090424 00:37:22< Soliton> how can i check whether some program is there in python? or alternatively check what error i got from os.system()?
20090424 00:37:56< loonycyborg> Polarina: Does --config=force fix that? Everything works fine for me..
20090424 00:38:08< Polarina> loonycyborg: It does not.
20090424 00:38:51< loonycyborg> Then pastebin build/config.log somewhere
20090424 00:39:15< Polarina> I'll try to double check dependencies first.
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20090424 00:45:42< Polarina> I just forgot some dependencies. :)
20090424 01:01:36< CIA-30> loonycyborg * r35150 /trunk/SConstruct: 
20090424 01:01:38< CIA-30> Check for sendfile() only if header sys/sendfile.h is detected.
20090424 01:01:40< CIA-30> Hopefully there aren't any non-Linux platforms that have
20090424 01:01:42< CIA-30> have sys/sendfile.h and incompatible sendfile()
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20090424 01:20:11< Polarina> Lovely. http://www.xkcd.com/571/
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20090424 01:23:47< grzywacz> So 16-bit.
20090424 01:24:50< Polarina> Yes.
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20090424 01:45:31< ancestral> Question
20090424 01:45:44< ancestral> Problem with a portrait, what's the best way to report it?
20090424 01:46:09< ancestral> a) Tech support forum, b) Bug report through Gna, c) send pm to kitty or Jetryl?
20090424 01:46:23< Polarina> ancestral: http://bugs.wesnoth.org/
20090424 01:46:29< ancestral> Will do! Thanks
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20090424 02:22:51< alink> Soliton: about your silver mages bug, did you noticed that they are on different terrains (sand=30%, bridge=40%) ? Or I just didn't understand the problem?
20090424 02:25:12< alink> and if it comes from a real game, these perfect twins are a strange coincidence :)
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20090424 02:56:39< Polarina> Good night.
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20090424 03:40:34< CIA-30> sapient * r35151 /trunk/src/scripting/lua.cpp: update the function signature to reflect changes in .hpp file
20090424 04:00:26< Ivanovic> ilor: no plans so far
20090424 04:00:30< Ivanovic> and now off to bed...
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20090424 05:42:02-!- Topic for #wesnoth-dev: accepted students for SoC: http://socghop.appspot.com/org/home/google/gsoc2009/wesnoth | 54 bugs, 235 feature requests, 10 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org/ | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
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20090424 07:08:14< CIA-30> cjhopman * r35152 /trunk/src/astarsearch.cpp: 
20090424 07:08:14< CIA-30> - remove some profiling code
20090424 07:08:14< CIA-30> - move some stuff to anonymous namespace
20090424 07:08:14< CIA-30> - privatize some members of helper objects
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20090424 08:45:05< euschn> good morning
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20090424 09:32:47< noy> exactly how many downloads we've had of the game?
20090424 09:39:03< Rhonda> You can't know exactly, at all.
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20090424 10:32:00< Ivanovic> moin
20090424 10:41:42< CIA-30> ivanovic * r35153 /branches/1.6/ (cmake/SearchForStuff.cmake config.h.cmake): 
20090424 10:41:42< CIA-30> port autotools change for BSD to cmake recipe:
20090424 10:41:42< CIA-30> Conditionalized sendfile support on the presence of sys/sendfile.h, since FreeBSD version is slightly different.
20090424 10:41:43< CIA-30> ivanovic * r35154 /trunk/ (cmake/SearchForStuff.cmake config.h.cmake): 
20090424 10:41:43< CIA-30> port autotools change for BSD to cmake recipe:
20090424 10:41:46< CIA-30> Conditionalized sendfile support on the presence of sys/sendfile.h, since FreeBSD version is slightly different.
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20090424 11:32:54< CIA-30> esr * r35155 /trunk/data/campaigns/Delfadors_Memoirs/ (WALKTHROUGH scenarios/12_terror_at_the_ford_of_parthyn.cfg): Merge first version of second-wave patch for Terror at the Ford.
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20090424 12:05:23< euschn> I am currently working on https://gna.org/bugs/?13268#comment1 : The source of the bug is that dismissals are stored in the replay (menu_events.cpp:99), but not in the undo stack, which can result in undoing different things ingame and in the replay with the same undo call
20090424 12:05:34< euschn> my question is: should dismissals be undoable?
20090424 12:06:26< euschn> imo they should, on one hand for playability reasons (if i accidentally dismissed the wrong unit, i want to undo it)
20090424 12:07:08< euschn> on the other hand the fast fix to make dismissals undoable does weird things if you undo and redo recalls that happened before the dismissal
20090424 12:15:47< Ivanovic> ilor (in the hope you read the logs): you commited an update to 1.6, also altering the changelog (which isgoot), you only managed to edit the *wrong* section
20090424 12:16:03< Ivanovic> you should not update the 1.6.1 changelog, but the 1.6.1+svn area of it...
20090424 12:17:24< CIA-30> ivanovic * r35156 /trunk/po/ (wesnoth/cs.po wesnoth-low/cs.po wesnoth-tutorial/cs.po): updated Czech translation
20090424 12:17:34< CIA-30> ivanovic * r35157 /branches/1.6/ (5 files in 4 dirs): updated Czech translation
20090424 12:18:01< Ivanovic> (if others do the same, i now know why the 1.6.1+svn section of the changelog is this empty...)
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20090424 12:29:31< Reisiger> Got two assertion errors when playing HttT- The Elven Council ( http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/d3d862d36 ) seems to be an issue with the right screen size.
20090424 12:29:44< Reisiger> I'll try other screen resolutions
20090424 12:31:02< Ivanovic> which language and where exactly did it happen?
20090424 12:31:11< Ivanovic> most likely a problem mordante has to tackle
20090424 12:32:04< Reisiger> en_US, when hitting the 'next' button after loading the 'start' save-game
20090424 12:32:29< Ivanovic> post a bugreport at bugs.wesnoth.org
20090424 12:32:50< Ivanovic> in this add the paste, say the scenario, language, os, all this stuff and add the savegame
20090424 12:33:04< Ivanovic> this way all info is bundled in one place and mordante can directly tackle it
20090424 12:33:05< Reisiger> How can I gather additional debug data? start wesnoth.exe with --debug=all?
20090424 12:33:35< Ivanovic> in this case the games "log output" won't help
20090424 12:34:05< Ivanovic> in general to really have all info that is possible to get from the game, use ./wesnoth --log-info=all
20090424 12:34:12< Reisiger> Ok. I'll give two other screen resolutions a go then prepare everything
20090424 12:34:35< Ivanovic> (in your case ./wesnoth has to be replaced by wesnoth.exe since you are not on *nix...)
20090424 12:36:05< Reisiger> Ok. The MSVC runtime error has additional data I'll type down into the bug report.
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20090424 12:39:27< CIA-30> esr * r35158 /trunk/data/campaigns/Delfadors_Memoirs/scenarios/09_houses_of_the_dead.cfg: Add some warning of a moveto trap.
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20090424 12:45:35< mordante> hi
20090424 12:46:01< Ivanovic> hi mordante
20090424 12:46:10< mordante> Reisiger, you already posted a bug report?
20090424 12:46:13< mordante> hi Ivanovic 
20090424 12:46:40< Reisiger> mordante: not yet. I've run a full log attempt. going to zip that and then upload the save and the log
20090424 12:47:35< mordante> I rather have a savegame just prior to the savegame
20090424 12:47:52< mordante> don't expect too much useful info in the logs
20090424 12:48:25< mordante> (the info in the pastebin is good enough for the moment)
20090424 12:49:01< Reisiger> k, I'll add the last autosave prior aswell
20090424 12:50:43< Reisiger> mordante: https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?13420
20090424 12:52:35< Reisiger> Hm... stupid me... didn't try a trunk update + compile & test to see if the issue's been dealt with already :-/
20090424 12:52:59< mordante> I don't expect that ;-)
20090424 12:53:32< mordante> but can you change the version to trunk r35156 so I know you run trunk ?
20090424 12:53:38< Reisiger> Hm... neither do I. The files with the assertions haven't been updated now.
20090424 12:53:50< Reisiger> ok
20090424 12:55:00< Reisiger> hm... I can't modify those fields anymore o_O Altho the stderr.txt shows that I run in in a trunk folder
20090424 12:55:23< mordante> ok no problem
20090424 13:03:09 * Reisiger goes hunting for food
20090424 13:17:35< Soliton> mysqld is using upto 200% CPU. "Threads: 3  Questions: 3026  Slow queries: 6  Opens: 1629  Flush tables: 1  Open tables: 64  Queries per second avg: 19.523." not sure if that is normal for us.
20090424 13:19:50< CIA-30> esr * r35159 /trunk/data/campaigns/ (20 files in 14 dirs): Wire in new music in appropriate places, note a TODO item.
20090424 13:22:43< loonycyborg> Soliton: I run 'top' on the server occasionally and never saw mysqld eating all cpu cycles before.
20090424 13:25:38< Soliton> yeah, the CPU usage is definately not normal.
20090424 13:27:06< CIA-30> esr * r35160 /trunk/data/ (2 files in 2 dirs): wmllint and wmlscope detected some glitches.
20090424 13:27:08< Soliton> queries per second went down to 10 now after i restarted mysql though and looks like it's not using so much CPU anymore either.
20090424 13:33:52< CIA-30> loonycyborg * r35161 /trunk/projectfiles/ (CodeBlocks/wesnoth.cbp CodeBlocks-SCons/wesnoth.cbp): Committed McShark's projectfiles update.
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20090424 13:44:29< Crab_> hi
20090424 13:46:49< freim> Soliton: do you have a lingering mysqld_safe process?
20090424 13:50:19< Soliton> freim: yeah, looks like.
20090424 13:50:30< Soliton> freim: it's reparing databases?
20090424 13:50:37< Soliton> repairing*
20090424 13:52:03< freim> I've experiences such processes that never finish and hog a lot of cpu on debian/ubuntu
20090424 13:52:57< Soliton> well, the process using all CPU was mysqld though.
20090424 13:53:16< freim> ok
20090424 13:56:10< freim> mysqld_safe is just a shell script for starting mysqld, so you shouldn't have those processes hanging about afaik
20090424 14:00:18< Soliton> maybe, there is just one process from the last start though.
20090424 14:00:27< Crab_> a small question: I'm going to create a small "ai testing suite" (1-2 python scripts plus a config file). When I'll commit it, where should I place it in the repository ?
20090424 14:01:18< Soliton> utils/
20090424 14:01:36< Soliton> or maybe data/tools/
20090424 14:03:18< Crab_> thanks. utils/ is, imo, better (since my script doesn't deal with the contents of the data dir, or WML)
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20090424 14:20:34< boucman> hey all
20090424 14:20:39< Crab_> hi boucman
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20090424 14:20:43< boucman> hey Crab_
20090424 14:20:59< YogiHH> hello everyone
20090424 14:21:11< boucman> I won't be able to go on IRC this WE, so don't hesitate to mail me if you need anything...
20090424 14:22:05< YogiHH> mordante: one more gui question: Is there a way to fix the width of a window, so that a long string in a label gets wrapped?
20090424 14:22:06< Crab_> boucman: well, the main interesting question which will arise  tomorrow, is "how will I fork the ai code and what files are to be forked?"
20090424 14:22:21< Crab_> boucman: we can just discuss it today
20090424 14:22:31< boucman> my answer would be "have fun :P"
20090424 14:22:36< YogiHH> Crab_: does msvc compile again?
20090424 14:22:49< Crab_> YogiHH: afaik, It compiles
20090424 14:22:50< boucman> more seriously, I guess trial and error will be the easiest way
20090424 14:22:59< YogiHH> good :-)
20090424 14:23:01< boucman> you probably need to put each AI in its own namespace too
20090424 14:23:25< Crab_> boucman: well, for now I intend to touch only default ai 
20090424 14:24:30< Crab_> ai.?pp, ai_movement.cpp, ai_village.cpp, ai_attack.cpp (and ai_interface.?pp in a slightly different way)
20090424 14:25:41< Crab_> i'll make a subdir, called 'development', and move them here, and make them use different namespace from the 'stable' default ai
20090424 14:26:00< Crab_> then, i'll make it possible to select this 'copy' in multiplayer
20090424 14:26:41< Crab_> then, i'll run that tests that I'm going to create today, to ensure that it is 'equal' to current default ai
20090424 14:27:05< boucman> sounds like a plan :)
20090424 14:27:13< Crab_> then, i'll start to modify the copy to use my ai_*_results for changing the game state. after that, I'll run the tests again
20090424 14:27:51< Crab_> then, i'll modify that copy to split it's parts into 'candidate actions'
20090424 14:29:07< Crab_> i'll probably (for now) use a copy of old formula_ai::make_candidate_moves, to make a 'default ai which runs as a RCA ai'
20090424 14:29:20< Crab_> then, test again (it should still be equal to default ai)
20090424 14:31:59< euschn> YogiHH: I investigated https://gna.org/bugs/?13268#comment1 , please check my comment in http://wesnoth.debian.net/%23wesnoth-dev-2009-04-24.log at 12:05  - what is your opinion on this? 
20090424 14:33:33< mordante> YogiHH, you can give a window a fixed size, but then it's always fixed, the other solution is to use a scroll_label as used in the wml_message dialog
20090424 14:36:44< YogiHH> mordante: fixed size should be ok, as the message is not going to change (except for translation, maybe). Will the message be wrapped then?
20090424 14:36:57< YogiHH> euschn: I agree, that dismissing a unit should be undoable
20090424 14:37:16< YogiHH> euschn: What are those "weird things" that happen with the quick fix?
20090424 14:37:37< boucman> cjhopman: around ?
20090424 14:37:51< cjhopman> i am
20090424 14:38:14< boucman> could you have a look at patch 1148 and tell me if you want to take over it ?
20090424 14:40:23< euschn> YogiHH: you basically mess up the index of the recall list: suppose you recall #1 of your list, then dismiss #0 and undo/redo the recall; the result in the replay is [dismiss(0),recall(1)], which recalls the wrong unit (#1 instead of #0)
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20090424 14:40:49< YogiHH> ugh
20090424 14:41:30< euschn> YogiHH: i think that would be more effort to fix than making dismissals undoable too
20090424 14:41:31< cjhopman> boucman, sure i can take it over
20090424 14:42:23< YogiHH> euschn: i have always hated this index :/ . We really should head for using id's in the middle or long term.
20090424 14:42:48< euschn> YogiHH: my idea is to add a "is_dismissal" flag to undo_action and have the delete_recall_handler store the action in the undo_stack
20090424 14:43:05< euschn> YogiHH: yes thats a good idea
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20090424 14:43:54< YogiHH> euschn: the same goes probably for dismissing, is that using an index, too?
20090424 14:44:05< euschn> YogiHH: yes it does
20090424 14:44:33< boucman> cjhopman: assigned
20090424 14:44:52< YogiHH> euschn: ok, then i suggest the following: You implement the quick fix first. After all, this is making the situation better not worse, even if it is still not perfect
20090424 14:45:22< euschn> YogiHH: ok, I will get to work on that then
20090424 14:45:49< YogiHH> euschn: You also add a remark, that recall's and dismissing should be based on id's rather than indices
20090424 14:46:03< euschn> ok
20090424 14:46:07< YogiHH> euschn: i guess, we simply leave the bug open until this is fixed as well
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20090424 14:56:37< boucman> euschn: are you still looking at patch 1162 ?
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20090424 15:23:00< Soliton> YogiHH, euschn: btw, if you're every bored and think (foolishly!) that all replays work, ask me to find broken examples for you. :-P
20090424 15:26:21< YogiHH> :-P
20090424 15:26:54< euschn> Soliton: thanks :)
20090424 15:28:20< euschn> boucman: I never did anything on 1162, did you mean 1148 by any chance? as for 1148, I am not really working on it right now, Id leave it at that with the small patch I attached in comment #10
20090424 15:29:22< boucman> huh, yeah, my bad
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20090424 15:29:32< boucman> k
20090424 15:29:38< euschn> boucman: is there anything on my side thats holding back a commit?
20090424 15:30:42< boucman> no, I will test with all that, but not today
20090424 15:31:32< euschn> boucman: ok thanks
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20090424 15:48:59< mib_2hr7am> http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/8404/sysv.jpg dude that was awesome, then the horse started to run around like crazy... my father start yelling at me... awesome
20090424 15:49:03< mib_2hr7am> arg ww
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20090424 16:14:56< mordante> YogiHH, yes fixed size when using a scroll_label gets wrapped
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20090424 16:19:07< Crab_> Dragonking: around ?
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20090424 16:21:17< Sapient> cjhopman: there?
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20090424 16:39:45< cjhopman> Sapient: I am
20090424 16:49:13< Sapient> how is your GSoC stuff coming along
20090424 16:49:36< Sapient> I noted that you were working on starsearch code yesterday
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20090424 16:57:33< cjhopman> gsoc stuff is coming along well
20090424 16:58:11< cjhopman> I haven't been able to do much in the last week as I was being pampered by IBM in stockholm (which was quite fun)
20090424 16:58:47< cjhopman> I have nearly all of the initial profiling done for the config class that I planned to do
20090424 16:59:28< cjhopman> for the next couple days there are a few more things with pathfinding that I want to do
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20090424 17:00:40< Sapien1> soory, just got d/c
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20090424 17:05:42< cjhopman> I'm on schedule... I will get started with changing the interface of the config class as soon as I finish those pathfinding changes
20090424 17:05:55< cjhopman> probably early next week
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20090424 17:06:11< cjhopman> and that will give me almost a month to make that change
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20090424 17:06:50< cjhopman> I expect that it won't take nearly that long... and I will probably get an early start on the main projects
20090424 17:08:00< Sapient> I see
20090424 17:08:39< Sapient> let me know if you have any concerns
20090424 17:09:19< Sapient> and also keep me posted with your progress please
20090424 17:09:49< Sapient> I scan the irclog for my name so you can write me in here if I'm not here too
20090424 17:09:55< cjhopman> ok, sounds good
20090424 17:13:06< cjhopman> there was one thing I wanted your opinion on, but I have to get to class, so I'll talk to you later
20090424 17:14:00< Sapient> later
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20090424 17:41:01< Shadow_Master> AI0867: you have an iphone?! 
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20090424 18:13:38< Blueblaze> Does anyone know if/what certain forms of randomization are not compatible with multiplayer?
20090424 18:16:33< Shadow_Master> the dice operator in formulas is the newest one
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20090424 18:21:48< Dragonking> Crab_: Yes?
20090424 18:22:27< Crab_> I'm writing ai batch test suite, which will test ai A vs ai B, and write results (who won and in how many turns) to DB. I wanted to ask - what MP maps will be good for such a test.
20090424 18:23:38< Dragonking> Most of 1v1 ones... maybe besides these with staues for now.
20090424 18:23:39< CIA-30> silene * r35162 /trunk/src/astarsearch.cpp: Avoided memory trashing by initializing only visited nodes.
20090424 18:24:00< Crab_> Dragonking: what's the problem with statues ?
20090424 18:24:59< Dragonking> Statues may be considered as enemies while evaluating some thing with formula language
20090424 18:25:15< Dragonking> Because we lack option to specify enemies of the side, just teams.
20090424 18:26:12< Crab_> Dragonking: ok. thanks.
20090424 18:26:46< Dragonking> Crab_: Generally good ones are for sure Weldyn_Channel, The_Freelands, Den of Onis and fallenstar lake - to look at bigger one.
20090424 18:27:19< Crab_> Dragonking: and how many turns to give them before declaring a draw ? 
20090424 18:27:28< Dragonking> 50?
20090424 18:27:36< Crab_> yes, this is the default...
20090424 18:28:05< Dragonking> Crab_: Pick up any number you want, maybe <100 ;)
20090424 18:28:19< Crab_> ok ) I'll see how it turns out )
20090424 18:28:24< Dragonking> Sure. :)
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20090424 18:30:13< Crab_> basically, I'm writing a python script which will launch wesnoth with something like:" --log-info=ai_testing --nogui -m --controller1=ai --controller2=ai --ai_config1=ai/ais/default_ai.cfg --ai_config2=ai/ais/formula_ai.cfg", will parse the output, and insert a line into DB (with a small web frontend to see the numbers)
20090424 18:31:49< Crab_> from each game, I will store ' svn_release, date/time of the game, winner side number, side ai config locations, side ai identifiers, victory turn'
20090424 18:31:50< Dragonking> Crab_: How output will look like?
20090424 18:32:07< Crab_> Dragonking: at first, it'll be a table with a small graph.
20090424 18:32:34< Dragonking> Crab_: Maybe dmg inflicted/taken - normal and average one too?
20090424 18:32:55< Crab_> Dragonking: how can I get this from c++ ?
20090424 18:33:04< Dragonking> Crab_: No clue. :)
20090424 18:33:09< Dragonking> Crab_: It is stored somewhere
20090424 18:33:28< Crab_> Dragonking: somewhen afterwards, i'll try to add this info to stats.wesnoth.org, but it is not a priority
20090424 18:33:43< Dragonking> Great
20090424 18:34:35< Crab_> i think that a simple table+graph of 'which of AIs wins more' will be good enough for now.
20090424 18:34:51< Soliton> Crab_: would be nice to add such an example command line again to the man page. (there was one before but with python and got removed)
20090424 18:34:51< Dragonking> For sure.
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20090424 18:36:53< Crab_> Soliton: ok
20090424 18:38:00< Soliton> Crab_: is that ai config parameter trunk only?
20090424 18:38:11< Crab_> Soliton: yes
20090424 18:39:21< Soliton> if we want to encourage people to try formula ai on their own it might be worth porting it to 1.6 or maybe anyone who tries would use trunk anyway.
20090424 18:39:46< Crab_> Soliton: no, it is not worth it (it heavily depends on ai hot-redeployment, which is trunk only).
20090424 18:40:12< Crab_> Soliton: imo, anyone who wants to try formula AI should be here, on IRC, and bug us about bugs :) And use trunk :)
20090424 18:40:38< Soliton> i see. yeah.
20090424 18:41:58< Crab_> Dragonking: question about https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?13397 ,  should I expose my suitable_keep to .fai (which returns unoccupied nearby keeps first)? or should this be handled by some .fai formula ?
20090424 18:42:05< CIA-30> cjhopman * r35163 /trunk/src/astarsearch.cpp: - tighten up threshold in case where node is outdated
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20090424 18:45:57< Dragonking> Crab_: First of all it is not a bug. :)
20090424 18:46:06< loonycyborg> Shadow_Master: I'm subscribed to a thread on the forum but I don't seem to get notifications. Is that feature currently broken?
20090424 18:46:08< Crab_> Dragonking: yes, this is a FR
20090424 18:46:14< Shadow_Master> loonycyborg: no.
20090424 18:46:26< Dragonking> Crab_: Ah ok, did not notice ;p
20090424 18:46:35< Shadow_Master> loonycyborg: what thread is it? the feature works for me. It won't send more emails until you visit the thread
20090424 18:46:39< Dragonking> Crab_: Exposing suitable_keep sounds ok
20090424 18:46:42< Crab_> ok
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20090424 18:46:56< Shadow_Master> loonycyborg: although IIRC there are many problems realted to GAs in phpbb
20090424 18:47:01< Shadow_Master> (Global anns)
20090424 18:47:20< loonycyborg> Shadow_Master: Ah. I was reading that thread while not being logged in.
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20090424 18:47:31 * Shadow_Master slaps loonycyborg with a huge math book
20090424 18:47:43< Dragonking> I'm going to be most time AFK now.
20090424 18:47:53< Shadow_Master> may your head hurt for the rest of this day
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20090424 19:06:39< silene> hi
20090424 19:16:34< fendrin> hi silene
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20090424 19:27:50< mordante> hi
20090424 19:28:12< Crab_> hi mordante
20090424 19:28:21< mordante> hi Crab_ 
20090424 19:28:59< CIA-30> mordante * r35164 /trunk/src/ai/ai_actions.cpp: Remove some unused variables.
20090424 19:29:06< mordante> Crab_, you might want to have a look^
20090424 19:29:42< Crab_> mordante: all ok
20090424 19:29:48< mordante> ok
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20090424 19:33:14< mordante> Blueblaze most of [random] is MP safe now, any specific questions regarding it?
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20090424 20:20:25< Shadow_Master> the chinese are invading wesnoth or what?
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20090424 20:36:38< mordante> I'm off bye
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20090424 20:38:40< CIA-30> crab * r35165 /trunk/src/ (log.cpp log.hpp): new log category ai_testing
20090424 20:38:51< CIA-30> crab * r35166 /trunk/data/ai/ais/ (default_ai.cfg formula_ai.cfg): Added AI identifiers to AI config files
20090424 20:39:01< CIA-30> crab * r35167 /trunk/src/ (8 files in 2 dirs): Added ai_testing logs to log information about the winner, including information about AI indentifier
20090424 21:11:04< AI0867> Shadow_Master: I do, why?
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20090424 22:27:14< Shadow_Master> AI0867: I caught you using your iphone to browse the forums ;)
20090424 22:27:21< Shadow_Master> and... yeah. that.
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20090424 22:38:39< Blueblaze> mordante, okay thanks, someone reported that my map was getting OOS because of the randomizations. Seems like the issue isn't the map though
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20090424 22:52:24< Shadow_Master> yay, I fixed my laptop's ACPI DSDT and now the thermal zone works with Linux
20090424 22:53:12< Shadow_Master> now I know that the average temperature is 70°C
20090424 22:53:40< CIA-30> cjhopman * r35168 /trunk/src/pathfind.cpp: 
20090424 22:53:40< CIA-30> - rewrite find_routes to use djikstra's algorithm rather than dfs.
20090424 22:53:40< CIA-30> - runs, on average, in about 70% of the time as the previous
20090424 22:55:05< Shadow_Master> just as I believed <sighs>
20090424 22:55:23< cjhopman> silene: yeah, i know, i probably shouldn't clear() the vector i should just update the ones that need it... if you don't fix that in the next day or so, I will probably get to it
20090424 22:58:08< Shadow_Master> wow the fans are really efficient. It doesn't go any lower in powersave mode
20090424 22:58:11< zookeeper> urgh. my internets is broken, i can't connect anywhere...except to wesnoth.org with a browser.
20090424 22:58:58< Shadow_Master> zookeeper: do you have wesnoth.org in \windows\system32\drivers\etc\lmhosts or hosts ?
20090424 22:59:02< zookeeper> no
20090424 22:59:06< zookeeper> that's the funny part.
20090424 22:59:24< ilor> zookeeper: dns caching?
20090424 22:59:27< Crab_> zookeeper: and what about connect to 74.125.67.100 ?
20090424 22:59:58< zookeeper> Crab_, works. i guess it's a dns issue of some kind.
20090424 23:00:19< Shadow_Master> zookeeper: your ISP knows that you can't live without Wesnoth, though
20090424 23:00:21< Shadow_Master> ;)
20090424 23:00:23< zookeeper> which is odd, since i was surfing several other sites just before it broke, so i'd imagine the caching would save those too.
20090424 23:00:42< Crab_> maybe you have problem with the dns client service,  or your provider has problems with their dns server....
20090424 23:01:27< zookeeper> i've completely reinstalled xp today, so naturally i wonder if it's related to that
20090424 23:03:09< Shadow_Master> I always wonder why whenever I reinstall an OS (Win95, XP, opensuse), I get completely new first-time-boot breakages each time
20090424 23:04:37< Crab_> zookeeper: does the nslookup command work ?
20090424 23:06:54< zookeeper> Crab_, no, can't find anything with that either.
20090424 23:07:11< zookeeper> i wonder if i've forgotten something about how my all this was supposed to be setup.
20090424 23:08:46< Crab_> zookeeper: what about using OpenDNS server for resolving ? for example, does "nslookup cisco.com 208.67.222.222" work ?
20090424 23:09:37< zookeeper> yeah, that gives me sane output
20090424 23:10:39< Crab_> zookeeper: so, either 1) dns server on your computer is set up incorrectly. 2) dns server on your computer is set up correcty but is having problems at the moment 3) there's a firewall problem which blocks access to your provider's dns server.
20090424 23:11:25< zookeeper> could be any, i guess ;)
20090424 23:11:47< Crab_> zookeeper: you may set that 208.67.222.222 as your dns server (for today) :)
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20090424 23:12:03< Crab_> zookeeper: that's one of openDns servers
20090424 23:13:53< zookeeper> ah, thanks, seems to work
20090424 23:14:02< Crab_> good
20090424 23:19:23 * Polarina prefers 4.2.2.2 as her DNS server.
20090424 23:19:46 * Shadow_Master raises the jar of medicine
20090424 23:20:00< Polarina> That's a DNS server that is guaranteed to work. :)
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20090424 23:21:47 * Polarina likes OpenOffice.org 3.0
20090424 23:23:38< Polarina> http://simnet.is/gabrielp/snippet.odt  :-)
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20090424 23:24:28< ilor> imo OO.org is far from being really usable
20090424 23:24:36< Polarina> ilor: Why do you say so?
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20090424 23:25:41< ilor> Polarina: first, it's slow. I mean, annoyingly slow on the basic UI responsiveness level
20090424 23:25:52 * Polarina hasn't noticed any slowness.
20090424 23:26:14< ilor> when I move the cursor to a bunch of text written in a different font, the font name updates after a pause
20090424 23:26:57< ilor> same deal with most of the formatting info. it's not a long pause but it's not instant
20090424 23:27:15< Polarina> I haven't had any issues with OpenOffice.org...
20090424 23:27:22< ilor> good for you
20090424 23:27:52< ilor> I kept trying to convince myself to use it but compared to the devil that ms office (say, 2000) is, it sucks
20090424 23:28:18< Polarina> I find Microsoft Office quite annoying and hard to use...
20090424 23:29:14< ilor> OO.org also claims to be good at reading doc files, which is a lie
20090424 23:29:30< ilor> by doc I mean pre-ooxml msword files
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20090424 23:30:27< ilor> which worked fine until I tried to open a .doc with some assignments from a prof that used diagrams and arrows. not pretty.
20090424 23:31:59< Crab_> Question: how to clear wesnoth .cfg file cache ?
20090424 23:32:17< noy> Well I've heard of compatbility  problems with open office, and when you're working in business or government that's always a pain
20090424 23:32:30 * Chusslove notes that it's criminal to hand out student assignments as .doc files.
20090424 23:33:03< noy> Like it or not, it's the worldwide standard... As Chusslove  just pointed out
20090424 23:33:13< Shadow_Master> I ff
20090424 23:33:28< Shadow_Master> I actually prefer to run the real MS Office  on Linux :P
20090424 23:33:28< ilor> Chusslove: it's criminal to hand out lecture slides with "try this code" parts as pdf... with full drm and the "copy text" option disabled
20090424 23:33:39< Chusslove> :))
20090424 23:34:12< Shadow_Master> OpenOffice looks like a resource sink, for some reason
20090424 23:34:25< Shadow_Master> so does Eclipse.
20090424 23:34:33< ilor> i don't get i how the interface can be so slow there
20090424 23:34:39< noy> ilor: not in arts.
20090424 23:34:55< ilor> actually this applies to eclipse as well, but that's another story ;)
20090424 23:35:06< ilor> noy: happened to me in compsci. 
20090424 23:35:16< Shadow_Master> ilor: OpenOffice used to be fully written in Java too IIRC
20090424 23:36:26< noy> Well I'm sure that's the case for some fields but not for most, I would assume.
20090424 23:37:13< loonycyborg> Compiling OpenOffice takes half of day on my box so I agree that it's somewhat bloated :P
20090424 23:37:22< Chusslove> I've heard that first-semester mathematics/CS students in Berlin universities are givean an hour and a half introduction to Latex, and then expected to submit all future writings in Latex.
20090424 23:37:49< Chusslove> (that probably meant PDF...)
20090424 23:37:50< ilor> Chusslove: unless they have to use tables and graphs, it's not all that unreasonable ;)
20090424 23:38:13< loonycyborg> LaTeX can definitely handle tables.
20090424 23:38:16< Chusslove> Sigh, pitty engineers will never get to that level :)
20090424 23:38:49< Chusslove> ilor: As in, you can't/it's hard to do tables and graphs in Latex? Har.
20090424 23:39:06< ilor> loonycyborg: you're not trying to say latex tables are easy and intuitive, are you?
20090424 23:39:37< loonycyborg> No idea. I haven't used latex much.
20090424 23:40:37< ilor> I did use it for some reports and stuff, and while text formatting and sectioning is easy and math support is great, stuff like tables I always struggled with to get properly
20090424 23:40:40< Chusslove> ilor: What I'd say, is that you can generate a Latex table by an outside code, so that you have your paper ready when you hit 'make'. That, for me, dwarfs any possible inconvenience due to non-wysiwigness of the thing.
20090424 23:41:57 * Chusslove thinks back to his university days when he was copy-pasting column by column of table content from run results, in his OO documents...
20090424 23:42:27< ilor> well yeah that is good
20090424 23:42:40< loonycyborg> ilor: Perhaps you should try LyX.
20090424 23:43:06< ilor> loonycyborg: possibly ;)
20090424 23:44:23< ilor> and anyway, I can't imagine writing any paper longer than a few pages in anything but latex
20090424 23:45:17< YogiHH> ilor: do you know how to visualize line endings in msvc?
20090424 23:45:21< loonycyborg> The good thing about latex is that it prevents you from setting fonts etc manually thus fixing formatting micromanagement hell.
20090424 23:45:24< Chusslove> As for speed, when I came to study in Germany, I've had the experience of having some CS guys in lectures, who'd follow the lecturer by typing latex on their laptops, so that right after the lecture, with some compile-fixes, they had perfectly formatted and totally disseminable lecture notes.
20090424 23:45:31< Chusslove> So much for the speed.
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20090424 23:46:16< ilor> loonycyborg, Chusslove exactly :) when you don't have to care about the formatting details, it's great
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20090424 23:49:13< Shadow_Master> talking about eclipse...
20090424 23:49:31< Shadow_Master> it's been sitting around consuming 100% CPU after dying, for approx 15 minutes
20090424 23:49:44< Shadow_Master> I was blaming the living session <.<
20090424 23:49:52< ilor> maybe you did something wrong
20090424 23:49:58< Shadow_Master> ilor: yes, my homework
20090424 23:50:04< Shadow_Master> :P
20090424 23:50:04< ilor> like, tried adding a file to the project at the _wrong_ moment
20090424 23:50:11< Shadow_Master> ilor: I was just writing code
20090424 23:50:27< ilor> maybe eclipse didn't like what you wrote ;p
20090424 23:50:47< Shadow_Master> well, perhaps it doesn't like code comments and identifiers in Spanish either
20090424 23:50:51< YogiHH> anyone, what's the policy on line endings? Unix style with LF only?
20090424 23:51:38< ilor> YogiHH: uh, svn:eol-style native
20090424 23:52:08< ilor> or whatever it's called. svn should make it transparent
20090424 23:52:15< YogiHH> ok
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