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20090429 00:00:03< Crab_> silene: yes, partly. but, imo, it is easier to get it from wesnoth than to calculate them in some other place
20090429 00:00:41< boucman> back...
20090429 00:01:15< Polarina> Crab_: What about information on which language the scenario occurred in?
20090429 00:01:33< boucman> Polarina: it's always english
20090429 00:01:41< Polarina> Ok...
20090429 00:01:53< boucman> the games are played on Crab_'s test machine, and it's to optimize AI, so not translation related
20090429 00:03:59< boucman> ok, bed time here... see you all tomorow
20090429 00:04:04< Crab_> night, boucman
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20090429 00:09:47< Soliton> loonycyborg: wesnothd outpt goes to stderr.txt on windows, right?
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20090429 00:25:37< Polarina> Can't droid networked side: '$side'.  Does that essentially mean  Can't replace networked side: '$side'.  ?
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20090429 00:28:20< Soliton> and what does replacing a side mean?
20090429 00:28:45< Polarina> Not a clue.
20090429 00:28:56< Polarina> I cannot figure out the meaning of this statement.
20090429 00:29:44< Soliton> so you ask whether it means something you have no clue about?
20090429 00:29:54< Crab_> Polarina: 'give the side to the ai'?
20090429 00:29:55< Soliton> interesting approach.
20090429 00:30:15< Polarina> Crab_: Thanks.
20090429 00:30:24< Crab_> note that it can be turned on/off
20090429 00:30:40< Polarina> What do you mean?
20090429 00:30:57< Crab_> on - give the side to the ai, off -take control bac
20090429 00:31:00< Crab_> s/bac/back
20090429 00:31:08< Polarina> Ah..
20090429 00:31:10< Polarina> Thanks.
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20090429 01:00:28< corn> Ivanovic: sure
20090429 01:00:35< corn> Crab_: back now, still need anything?
20090429 01:02:29< Crab_> corn: yes. I wanted to ask about your stats.wesnoth.org progress.  I have set up a batch testing of AI vs AI, and I have lots of data in the db, so I was wondering about the possibility of integration into your stats.wesnoth.org
20090429 01:03:02< Crab_> corn: for now, I've got a small php-based frontend at http://aitest.wesnoth.org
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20090429 01:04:21< corn> Crab_: ok. what kind of integration do you need? I can have it done within a week
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20090429 01:04:55< loonycyborg> Soliton: Yes. It should. Since wesnothd is linked against SDL.
20090429 01:05:04< corn> although its probably a little dumb to say how fast I can get it done without knowing what the goal is :)
20090429 01:06:18< Crab_> corn: firstly, I'll note that it is *outside* of the scope of your GSoC project, but it can be useful as a test 'can your project be easily expanded by other people (such as me) to display additional info'
20090429 01:06:58< corn> Crab_: tell me what the task is and I'll give you an estimate of how quickly I can do it
20090429 01:07:26< Crab_> corn: I have two tables: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/m282e4248
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20090429 01:07:45< Crab_> first contains data about games
20090429 01:07:52< Crab_> second contains data about game turns
20090429 01:08:01< Crab_> so they're connected 1:M
20090429 01:08:18< Crab_> I want to make a datacube from them. 
20090429 01:08:52< Crab_> something like what you've done with campaigns
20090429 01:08:57< corn> ok
20090429 01:09:14< corn> ok, it will take me a few days at most but I need to get a few things done first
20090429 01:09:42< corn> give me around 1-2 weeks and I'll do it
20090429 01:10:37< Crab_> for example, to allow users do something like this "show me graph of average Y=gold per X=turn, in games played in svn release 33138 by default_ai using faction loyalists vs faction northeners or faction undead'
20090429 01:10:55< corn> yep
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20090429 01:12:25< Crab_> note that, IMO,  it is better to 'you do the table-independent system and write the documentation, I read the documentation and implement the concrete things connected with this tables'
20090429 01:13:14< Crab_> since this will nicely test the 'extensibility' of your core stats system by other people
20090429 01:13:31< corn> that's definitely true
20090429 01:13:39< corn> right now I need to get two things done before that's even possible
20090429 01:13:58< corn> 1. scalability to millions of rows
20090429 01:14:16< corn> 2. proper SQL sytnax and using the python-mysql api properly instead of hacked up queries
20090429 01:14:50< corn> after that I think I'll go for what you're saying, it's basically a system where you can create new views by defining the y and x axes
20090429 01:14:50< Crab_> take your time ) my interface will be ok for me for now (since each game takes ~20 seconds to generate on my home machine, so no scalability issues)
20090429 01:16:40< corn> ok, cool
20090429 01:17:10< corn> I will definitely get to it as soon as I get those two things out of the way, it's good to help each other :)
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20090429 01:19:00< Crab_> corn: you may want to see my current implementation: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/m688c94b2
20090429 01:19:19< corn> Crab_: ok
20090429 01:20:11< Crab_> it's a small hack, but work..
20090429 01:20:18< Crab_> s/work/works
20090429 01:21:15< Crab_> (it hasn't got any dynamic graphs or dynamic filters, but allows dynamic 'group by' and aggregates)
20090429 01:21:22< corn> well
20090429 01:21:24< corn> it got the job done
20090429 01:21:51< corn> doing something as fast as possible is not a problem for personal debugging
20090429 01:22:29< Crab_> corn: note that it may be, in principle, expanded to 'push all table-dependent stuff from that file to xml config'
20090429 01:23:10< Crab_> corn: that's something what's wanted from your system - to be as content-independent as possible, to allow easier 'plugging in' of new tables/aggregates/dimensions/filters/...
20090429 01:24:28< corn> I was thinking of a simpler interface
20090429 01:24:43< corn> basically you should be able to set up an x-y plot for any two columns in any database
20090429 01:24:51< corn> as long as the columns can be compared numerically
20090429 01:25:18< corn> s/columns/rows
20090429 01:25:24< corn> so you would select the X in a row and the Y in a row
20090429 01:25:32< Crab_> corn: yes. and x-y-N_lines for three. (several lines on the same graph)
20090429 01:25:33< corn> and both the X and Y columns should be sortable
20090429 01:25:42< corn> yes
20090429 01:26:47< Crab_> ok ) so, ping me when the time will come :)
20090429 01:28:01< corn> ok
20090429 01:31:45< Crab_> (also note that not only plots are necessary, but arbitrary tables are needed as well)
20090429 01:44:51< corn> tables?
20090429 01:45:13< Crab_> corn: such as http://wesnoth.terraninfo.net/index.php?dim1=faction_me&latest_svn_only=yes
20090429 01:45:23< Crab_> 'result' is a table
20090429 01:45:39< Crab_> and the dimension fields are chosen by user
20090429 01:46:35< Crab_> and aggregate fields are calculated for big table 'grouped by' those user-chosen dimension fields
20090429 01:48:07< Crab_> in the case that there's 2 or 3 dimension fields, we can display this as an X-Y graph
20090429 01:48:16< Crab_> (with several lines in case of 3 fields)
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20090429 01:53:10< corn> mm, I see
20090429 01:53:56< Crab_> corn: so, that's a datacube (dimensions + aggregates + filters)
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20090429 02:31:42< Polarina> Good night.
20090429 02:31:58< Crab_> Polarina: night
20090429 02:33:56< Polarina> Crab_: If there are any generic programming tasks (that said, nothing WML or internal to Wesnoth) you need done (TSP for example), just let me know. :)
20090429 02:34:22< Crab_> Polarina: I'll think about it )
20090429 02:34:44< Polarina> I'd be happy to help where I can.
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20090429 02:42:07 * Polarina wonders why Macedonian and Friulian are listed in http://www.wesnoth.org/gettext/index.php?package=alloff&order=trans&version=branch for so long, with no strings translated.
20090429 02:46:03 * Polarina will read the logs if anyone responds.
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20090429 03:19:08< ilor> ugh, the bittersweet feeling of having spent 1.5h on squashing a very dumb bug in one's own code written half a year ago
20090429 03:19:20< ilor> wesnoth-unrelated, luckily
20090429 03:27:59< crimson_penguin> ilor: I did that recently too :P
20090429 03:28:05< crimson_penguin> a few of them actually
20090429 03:28:18< CIA-30> crab * r35312 /trunk/ (6 files in 3 dirs): New source file pair: ai/testing.[ch]pp Modified automake/cmake/scons/MSVC9 build configs.
20090429 03:28:21< crimson_penguin> it was from close to 5 years ago though
20090429 03:28:23< CIA-30> crab * r35313 /trunk/src/ (actions.cpp ai/testing.cpp playsingle_controller.cpp): AI testing: called testing hooks at scenario win and draw, and at start of each side turn
20090429 03:28:28< CIA-30> crab * r35314 /trunk/src/ai/ (ai_manager.cpp ai_manager.hpp): Added get_ai_info function fo ai/ai_manager to get global ai-game info
20090429 03:28:54< Crab_> night
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20090429 04:06:37< [Relic]> Hello :)
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20090429 07:16:11< dfranke> esr: around?
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20090429 08:46:00< Link_Pie> Welcome
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20090429 09:28:20< ilor> is there a leaderboard for thread necromancy somewhere? this guy ( http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=3075 ) sure looks like he's aiming for the top
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20090429 09:34:46< Link_Pie> XD
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20090429 09:36:19< Link_Pie> Wow, he even acknowledges that he's bumping a 5 year old thread 
20090429 09:36:24< Link_Pie> and he doesn't even seem to care
20090429 09:36:41< Link_Pie> atleast
20090429 09:36:49< Link_Pie> not enough to refrain from bumping it
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20090429 09:48:26< Rhonda> Actually, the idea isn't the worst
20090429 09:58:00< ilor> what, the map screenshot feature that's in since early 1.5 iirc?
20090429 09:59:54< Rhonda> Propably, didn't know about it (and am not really using it myself) - guess you should add that to the thread and not to me then. :)
20090429 10:00:41< ilor> yeah
20090429 10:01:08< Rhonda> Where is that? I don't find it in the menu?
20090429 10:03:13< Rhonda> Having 1.6.1 here
20090429 10:03:51< ilor> I remember seeing it on the hotkey list
20090429 10:08:57< Rhonda> Shouldn't it be a menu entry?
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20090429 10:09:54< Rhonda> "remember seeing" doesn't sound as confident as "that's in since early 1.5"
20090429 10:10:25< Rhonda> Ouch!
20090429 10:10:40< Rhonda> The hotkey assignment dialog looks immensly b0rked!
20090429 10:10:44< ilor> sorry, I gotta run, be back in a few hours
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20090429 10:12:13< Rhonda> http://deb.at/~rhonda/wesnoth-b0rked_hotkey_menu.png
20090429 10:12:33< Rhonda> I think the translation is too long breaking it
20090429 10:28:01< Ivanovic> corn: some problems, you will have to join #freenode yourself first
20090429 10:28:17< Ivanovic> the nickname corn is currently owned by someone else who has not been using it for a long time
20090429 10:28:41< Ivanovic> so you have to join #freenode and ask the admins available to drop the nick registration and then register it yourself
20090429 10:29:23< Ivanovic> only after this you can get the cloak (and it is only active while logged in at nickserv)
20090429 10:30:19< Ivanovic> (and yeah, i have to wait with asking for your cloak till the nick is registered to you)
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20090429 11:17:41< Rhonda> Ivanovic: Do you see the issue? Should I file it as bugreport?
20090429 11:21:44< Soliton> similar issues in english as well actually.
20090429 11:22:23< Rhonda> Then it should definitely be a bug report. The interface should be able to cope with it.
20090429 11:22:27< Soliton> i don't think there is a bug report about it so filing one would be good.
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20090429 11:35:49< Ivanovic> outsch, yeah, this dialog is bad
20090429 11:36:55< Ivanovic> sounds like something that mordante should have a look at soon and convert it to gui2
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20090429 12:09:12-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: accepted students for SoC: http://socghop.appspot.com/org/home/google/gsoc2009/wesnoth | 60 bugs, 235 feature requests, 11 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org/ | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20090429 12:17:38< Rhonda> wesbot: bug 13449
20090429 12:17:38< wesbot> Bug #13449  Assigned to: None  Status: None  Priority: 5 - Normal
20090429 12:17:38< wesbot> Summary: hotkey assignment too wide
20090429 12:17:38< wesbot> Original submission: In the hotkey dialogue, the text and the keybindings are 
20090429 12:17:41< wesbot> too wide, it is written past the scroll box and thus doesn't get scrolled proper
20090429 12:17:44< wesbot> URL: https://gna.org/bugs/?13449
20090429 12:17:47< wesbot> Attached file (1st): https://gna.org/bugs/download.php?file_id=5726
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20090429 12:39:17< mordante> hi
20090429 12:49:17< mordante> YogiHH, did you see the error in the logs?
20090429 12:57:40< Rhonda> mordante: Ivanovic said you might be the one to tackle bug 13449 :)
20090429 12:58:35< Rhonda> Oh, you already took the bugreport. Being mute again.
20090429 12:58:39< YogiHH> mordante: no, which one?
20090429 13:06:19< CIA-30> ivanovic * r35315 /trunk/po/ (4 files in 4 dirs): updated Icelandic translation
20090429 13:06:20< CIA-30> ivanovic * r35316 /branches/1.6/po/ (4 files in 4 dirs): updated Icelandic translation
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20090429 13:24:38< mordante> 23:26 <mordante> YogiHH when wesnoth asks me to overwrite a savegame at the end of a scenario it doesn't take no as an answer and keeps showing the dialog until I press ok
20090429 13:25:37< mordante> Rhonda, yeah I read it in the logs before I joined and I hope to find some time to work on it soon, it really looks horrible
20090429 13:25:57< Ivanovic> mordante: great
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20090429 13:44:50< YogiHH> mordante: wasn't that the supposed behaviour? You should still be able to cancel the savegame dialog.
20090429 13:45:55< Ivanovic> YogiHH: i understand it this way: you are only able to "exit" the dialog by accepting that the save will be overwritten
20090429 13:46:07< YogiHH> mordante: that is, if i don't want to overwrite, i get a chance to change the filename
20090429 13:46:10< Ivanovic> that clicking "no, do not overwrite this save" just results in the dialog open again
20090429 13:46:30< YogiHH> Ivanovic: That is correct, but you can as well cancel at that point
20090429 13:47:28< Ivanovic> might make sense to use better texts on the buttons
20090429 13:47:58 * YogiHH did not change the texts ;-)
20090429 13:47:59< Ivanovic> like "overwrite savegame", "don't save" and "save using different name" (yes, those texts are too long for buttons...)
20090429 13:48:23< YogiHH> It should work just like before, i didn't intend to change the functionality. Just the layout is different.
20090429 13:49:27< YogiHH> The only thing i changed is processing OOS. If i got the code correct, after the fifth OOS message you get the chance to check "Ignore All". I display that from the first message on now.
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20090429 13:53:39< mordante> YogiHH, there were only two buttons and I was forced to overwrite the savegame
20090429 13:54:04< mordante> and clicking a button which has no effect looks odd
20090429 13:54:31< mordante> it's not the savegame dialog but the overwrite the replay dialog
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20090429 13:59:55< fendrin> Shadow_Master: UtbS scenario 03. I want to remove villages captured by the undead from the map. That would ease coding and is easier for the player to understand. Do you agree with that change?
20090429 14:01:21< Sapient> villages disappearing from the map? That sounds odd
20090429 14:01:41< Sapient> maybe you could use the burned out village graphic
20090429 14:02:36< Soliton> naturally.
20090429 14:02:38< Ivanovic> ettin: need some help with po4a and generating the manual
20090429 14:03:15< Ivanovic> ettin: after upgrading to po4a 0.36 i get this error when the html files are meant to be created while doing make update-po4a: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/m5731734f
20090429 14:03:31< Ivanovic> (i get these errors for *every* translation)
20090429 14:05:43< Ivanovic> ettin: regarding the versions used: xsltprog: Using libxml 20703, libxslt 10124 and libexslt 813
20090429 14:05:56< Ivanovic> asciidoc 8.2.7
20090429 14:06:09< Ivanovic> po4a version 0.36.
20090429 14:08:21< Soliton> i don't get a replay saved when finishing an mp map even though i have replay saving turned on.
20090429 14:08:37< fendrin> Sapient: good idea. I will do that.
20090429 14:11:11< fendrin> Sapient: Now I look at it, they are in fact tents. (But act like villages)
20090429 14:11:50< Sapient> maybe you can make a "haunted tent" variation ;)
20090429 14:12:45< Shadow_Master> fendrin: what Sapient says. And there's a ruined tent graphic
20090429 14:12:55< Shadow_Master> it doesn't fit every tile variation, unfortunately
20090429 14:17:41< fendrin> Shadow_Master: Okay, I start recoding.
20090429 14:20:29< fendrin> I never saw that scenario subtag label before. Is it still valid?
20090429 14:21:32< Shadow_Master> static floating text labels
20090429 14:22:22< Shadow_Master> like [item] and [sound_source], it can be placed directly on [scenario] (the saved games writer does something similar with those genearted by events, actually)
20090429 14:22:48< fendrin> and what effect does it have?
20090429 14:22:54< YogiHH> mordante: ah, i got you. Yes, that might be a problem, i will fix that tonight.
20090429 14:22:56< Shadow_Master> it adds a static floating text lbel
20090429 14:22:59< Shadow_Master> label
20090429 14:23:10< fendrin> sorry, I wrote subtag label but it's an attribute
20090429 14:23:38< fendrin> utbs 03 line 17
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20090429 14:29:50< Shadow_Master> that's shit. Remove it
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20090429 14:51:47< mordante> thanks YogiHH 
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20090429 15:05:41< Soliton> can someone log in to the server with trunk?
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20090429 15:14:59< Crab_> hi
20090429 15:15:57< loonycyborg> Soliton: mp or addon one?
20090429 15:16:03< Soliton> mp
20090429 15:17:40< loonycyborg> It seems to freeze on "Reading from server"
20090429 15:18:50< loonycyborg> Only if I use a forum registered account.
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20090429 15:26:10< Soliton> ah, ok.
20090429 15:26:59< Soliton> logging in works fine from the server's pov but the client somehow sends another [login] after authenticating.
20090429 15:27:13< Soliton> and then waits for whatever.
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20090429 15:33:44< CIA-30> shadowmaster * r35317 /trunk/src/storyscreen/part.hpp: Doxygen.
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20090429 15:37:34< Shadow_Master> annyone against splitting sdl_utils.hpp into surface.hpp and sdl_utils.hpp so that adding new functions doesn't cause a complete recompile? 
20090429 15:38:04< Shadow_Master> apparently those are caused by image.hpp including sdl_utils.hpp just for the struct surface interface.
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20090429 15:44:03< YogiHH> mordante: is using a gettext include alright for a gui2 dialog or did you intend to keep that separated?
20090429 15:46:44< Ivanovic> Shadow_Master: sounds reasonable to me
20090429 15:47:04< Shadow_Master> wesbot: seen alink
20090429 15:47:05< wesbot> Shadow_Master: The person with the nick alink last spoke 5d 13h ago.  2d 19h ago they left with the message: Remote closed the connection
20090429 15:47:17< Ivanovic> wesbot: seen alink
20090429 15:47:25< Ivanovic> arg, i meant this one:
20090429 15:47:28< Ivanovic> wesbot: seen ettin
20090429 15:47:28< wesbot> Ivanovic: Queried user last spoke 32d 21h ago.  ettin is currently here and on the channel #wesnoth.
20090429 15:47:50< Ivanovic> ettin: around?
20090429 15:48:12< Shadow_Master> wesbot learned to ignore duplicate requests, good ;)
20090429 15:48:12< Ivanovic> ettin: saw my question about 2h ago?
20090429 15:48:52< Ivanovic> wesbot: throttle Shadow_Master
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20090429 15:48:59< Ivanovic> wesbot: kick Shadow_Master
20090429 15:48:59 * wesbot kicks Ivanovic instead, do your dirty work yourself.
20090429 15:49:05< Ivanovic> CIA-30: kick Shadow_Master
20090429 15:49:17 * Ivanovic kicks CIA-30
20090429 15:49:17< CIA-30> ow
20090429 15:49:19< crimson_penguin> :D
20090429 15:49:23< Ivanovic> (for not kicking Shadow_Master)
20090429 15:49:46< Shadow_Master> CIA only reacts to very simple CTCPs
20090429 15:49:58< Shadow_Master> IIRC only 4 are handled in the code
20090429 15:50:06< Shadow_Master> *CTCP ACTIONs
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20090429 16:02:30< euschn> hi
20090429 16:02:46< Ivanovic> hi euschn
20090429 16:03:16< Ivanovic> euschn: do you want to have a @wesnoth/developer/euschn cloak?
20090429 16:03:46< euschn> Ivanovic: oh nice, that would be great
20090429 16:08:49< Ivanovic> euschn: you should have your cloak now
20090429 16:08:57< euschn> Ivanovic: just got the message, thanks for sorting it
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20090429 16:14:08< crimson_penguin> Someone just left an MP game, and it gave me the option to replace with their ally, but when I chose that option, it said "Player/Observer not in this game"
20090429 16:14:15< crimson_penguin> It worked fine to do it manually though
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20090429 16:30:12< Soliton> did someone else leave before you chose?
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20090429 16:40:59 * Polarina is doing slight modifications to utils/wesnoth-optipng
20090429 16:44:53< CIA-30> wintermute * r35318 /trunk/data/multiplayer/ (maps/4p_Clash.map scenarios/4p_Clash.cfg): Minor balance change to MP map 4p_Clash. Committed for jb.
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20090429 16:45:23< Ivanovic> Polarina: what do you plan to change/fix?
20090429 16:46:08< Polarina> Ivanovic: Automatic CPU count detection and stricter flags to optipng for extra rounds.
20090429 16:46:25< Ivanovic> aha
20090429 16:47:02< Polarina> I hope that's OK with you. :)
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20090429 17:02:13< Ivanovic> no idea what you mean with "stricter flags to optipng for extra rounds."
20090429 17:02:32< Ivanovic> that is: the current flags have the reason that the files are still usable to work with for artists
20090429 17:02:45< Ivanovic> if we eg reduced the color palette, it causes problems
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20090429 17:03:17< Polarina> It won't reduce colour palette or anything like that.
20090429 17:03:39< Polarina> It just runs extra rounds checking different compression options.
20090429 17:03:58< Ivanovic> have you ever run a complete optipng on all of trunk?
20090429 17:04:06< Polarina> I am doing that right now.
20090429 17:04:12< Ivanovic> even with 4 cores (and this many threads) it still takes ~20mins
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20090429 17:04:33< Ivanovic> adding even more stuff is IMO rather bad since it will just increase the runtime without much gain
20090429 17:04:58< Polarina> Ivanovic: These extra rounds can be activated by passing --strict to wesnoth-optipng
20090429 17:05:11< Polarina> Ivanovic: Otherwise it uses the options as they are now.
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20090429 17:05:28< Ivanovic> Polarina: this tool is basically something i run every X months to update the graphics in trunk
20090429 17:05:43< Ivanovic> no sane user will run it on his end because there is no real gain from doing more
20090429 17:05:58< Ivanovic> so adding some optimization that is only used when a parameter is set is basically useless
20090429 17:06:08< Polarina> I know.
20090429 17:07:44< Polarina> But that flag will pretty much guarantee lower file sizes.
20090429 17:08:04< Polarina> I'll just send you the patch and let you decide whether to commit it or not. :P
20090429 17:10:01< Ivanovic> post it at patches.wesnoth.org
20090429 17:10:33< Ivanovic> and don't forget to include some numbers like "saves X kb on the image files currently in trunk as or revision ABC"
20090429 17:11:09< Polarina> Ivanovic: No problem. When it finishes running.
20090429 17:11:30< Ivanovic> i will first run a "normal" update, since there was no optipng run for a while
20090429 17:12:41< Polarina> Ivanovic: Ok. I'll wait for your commit before running the script.
20090429 17:15:48< Ivanovic> no idea if i will be able to commit it before i am off (will leave "rather soon") and just started the update
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20090429 17:16:32< Polarina> Ivanovic:   ./utils/wesnoth-optipng && svn commit -c "log entry"
20090429 17:16:44< Ivanovic> no
20090429 17:16:49< Polarina> Why?
20090429 17:19:11< CIA-30> ivanovic * r35319 /trunk/src/ (ai/ gui/auxiliary/): add some svn ignores on new folders
20090429 17:19:36< Ivanovic> because i check stuff before i commit
20090429 17:19:45< Polarina> Ah. I see. :)
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20090429 17:30:17< Ivanovic> i am afk now, will be back in about 3h and commit then (if no errors occured)
20090429 17:32:40< Polarina> Ok.
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20090429 17:39:27< crimson_penguin> Soliton: no
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20090429 18:06:20< CIA-30> soliton * r35320 /trunk/src/server/game.cpp: added the name of the player to an error message
20090429 18:07:34< Soliton> crimson_penguin: your client must have got the name of the player wrong somehow. do you know if he changed the name of his leader unit maybe?
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20090429 18:09:48< CIA-30> soliton * r35321 /branches/1.6/src/server/game.cpp: added the name of the player to an error message
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20090429 18:15:56< Polarina> Yay! My first patch that makes things do something useless. :D
20090429 18:17:02< Polarina> https://gna.org/patch/?1171
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20090429 18:42:20< loonycyborg> Polarina: I don't think that it's very useless :P
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20090429 18:46:40< loonycyborg> Polarina: Your method doesn't seem to take cores into accout.
20090429 18:53:02< crimson_penguin> Soliton: pretty sure he didn't; his name was muschi, and :control 2 muschi worked fine
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20090429 18:55:00< Soliton> crimson_penguin: sure, the point is that your client might have used the leader name instead of the nick.
20090429 18:56:45< crimson_penguin> Soliton: right... I do kinda doubt they changed it though
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20090429 18:58:10< Soliton> alright, i made the error tell you the used nick now. so if it happens again we might know what went wrong.
20090429 18:58:10< Polarina> loonycyborg: I have only one CPU with four cores, and it uses them all.
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20090429 19:01:14< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic:  https://gna.org/patch/?1171
20090429 19:01:40< Shadow_Master> maybe you want to modify it a bit and turn it into (#cpus * 1.5)? ;)
20090429 19:01:55< Polarina> Shadow_Master: I see exactly no purpose with that.
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20090429 19:02:09< crimson_penguin> Soliton: ok, cool
20090429 19:02:20< crimson_penguin> Soliton: my ally said that happened to him all the time too
20090429 19:02:32< Shadow_Master> Polarina: it is his personal preference IIRC.
20090429 19:02:40< Shadow_Master> just let Ivanovic judge your patch
20090429 19:02:41< Soliton> crimson_penguin: yeah, i heard of it before.
20090429 19:02:49< Polarina> Shadow_Master: He can still use the --threads switch.
20090429 19:03:34< Shadow_Master> and the sky is blue.
20090429 19:04:08< loonycyborg> Polarina: On the server /proc/cpuinfo contains only two lines.
20090429 19:04:26< Shadow_Master> here it contains a page
20090429 19:04:35< Polarina> loonycyborg: What's in /proc/cpuinfo?
20090429 19:04:41< Shadow_Master> more than one page (page == 25 rows)
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20090429 19:05:02< loonycyborg> And contains "cpu cores       : 2" among other things.
20090429 19:05:18< Shadow_Master> loonycyborg: it isn't just two lines
20090429 19:05:27< Polarina> loonycyborg: It doesn't use that line.
20090429 19:06:02< loonycyborg> Shadow_Master: It contains two "processor: " lines.
20090429 19:06:08< Shadow_Master> right.
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20090429 19:08:53< loonycyborg> Polarina: So your /proc/cpuinfo has multiple "processor: " lines even though you have a single quad core cpu?
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20090429 19:09:04< Polarina> loonycyborg: Yes. One for each core.
20090429 19:09:19< Polarina> loonycyborg: That's how it's supposed to be.
20090429 19:09:24< loonycyborg> Interesting..
20090429 19:09:42< Polarina> One entry for each core in every CPU.
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20090429 19:15:24< mordante> hi
20090429 19:15:38< Polarina> Hello, mordante.
20090429 19:15:40< crimson_penguin> hi mordante 
20090429 19:15:43< mordante> hi Polarina 
20090429 19:15:46< mordante> hi crimson_penguin 
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20090429 19:16:18< Shadow_Master> (hi mordante) ^ 50
20090429 19:16:36< mordante> hi Shadow_Master 
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20090429 19:26:27< CIA-30> soliton * r35322 /branches/1.6/src/server/server.cpp: given a simple username use the IP instead to search through the IP log and unify the output of some commands
20090429 19:27:06< CIA-30> soliton * r35323 /trunk/src/server/server.cpp: given a simple username use the IP instead to search through the IP log and unify the output of some commands
20090429 19:30:52< Ivanovic> Shadow_Master: i tend to use #Cores+1 for the threads i use
20090429 19:31:07< CIA-30> ivanovic * r35324 /trunk/data/ (59 files in 14 dirs): 
20090429 19:31:07< CIA-30> ran utils/wesnoth-optipng
20090429 19:31:07< CIA-30> Overall statistics (only for files with a smaller recompressed size):
20090429 19:31:07< CIA-30> Original size: 3920 KiB on 59 files
20090429 19:31:07< CIA-30> Optimized size: 3722 KiB
20090429 19:31:08< CIA-30> Total saving: 197 KiB = 5% decrease
20090429 19:33:22< Ivanovic> Polarina: in your patch i don't like your reordering of the --help entries
20090429 19:33:30< Polarina> Ivanovic: Sorry.
20090429 19:33:38< Ivanovic> i prefer to have the entires ordered alphabetically
20090429 19:33:41< Ivanovic> beside this it is fine
20090429 19:33:56< Polarina> Oh, I didn't notice that pattern.
20090429 19:34:44< Polarina> I'll fix that.
20090429 19:36:17< Ivanovic> no need to, i already have done so
20090429 19:36:55< Polarina> Ivanovic: It wasn't in alphabetical order before I made that patch.
20090429 19:36:59< CIA-30> ivanovic * r35325 /trunk/utils/wesnoth-optipng: apply patch #1171 by Polarina (Automatic CPU count detection for utils/wesnoth-optipng)
20090429 19:37:13< Ivanovic> right, help is not in order...
20090429 19:38:51< Ivanovic> now it is
20090429 19:38:55< Polarina> :)
20090429 19:38:56< CIA-30> ivanovic * r35326 /trunk/utils/wesnoth-optipng: alphabetical sorting for wesnoth-optipng help output
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20090429 20:03:24< CIA-30> mordante * r35327 /trunk/ (10 files in 4 dirs): Move gui/canvas.* to auxiliary.
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20090429 20:21:14< mordante> zookeeper, a wml or c++ bug? https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?13450
20090429 20:22:08< mordante> Soliton, didn't you fix this issue? https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?13432
20090429 20:22:30< Soliton> yeah, somewhat.
20090429 20:22:59< Soliton> mentioning the addon names is still a good idea, i think.
20090429 20:24:19< mordante> you want to look at that later?
20090429 20:24:33< Soliton> no idea.
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20090429 20:30:01< zookeeper> mordante, i'm not sure
20090429 20:30:34< mordante> should I assign it to you for now?
20090429 20:30:38< zookeeper> i guess gold should be tied with the save_id, so if he's switching that, the gold should not automatically carry over
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20090429 20:31:13< zookeeper> i don't know if he means that he's switching them across scenarios or that every scenario uses the same save_id
20090429 20:31:18< zookeeper> if the latter, then it's an engine bug
20090429 20:33:26< mordante> the way I originally coded it was to store the amount to be carried over in the savegame 
20090429 20:33:28< zookeeper> i posted a comment asking for that
20090429 20:33:36< mordante> ok thanks
20090429 20:33:46< mordante> hi YogiHH 
20090429 20:33:54< YogiHH> hey
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20090429 20:34:01< mordante> YogiHH, what do you exactly mean with the gettext question?
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20090429 20:35:51< YogiHH> mordante: in one of the savegame dialogs, i got a fixed message with a translateable string. So i have to include gettext.hpp or find some other way to pass that string. Just wanted to make sure that including gettext is not against the design principles of gui2.
20090429 20:37:02< mordante> no it's not but most strings are send from a t_string and afaik there's no need to keep them in a t_string then
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20090429 20:37:32< mordante> and since translations work for me, I assumed that I'm right and it works
20090429 20:38:42< YogiHH> ok
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20090429 20:47:24< CIA-30> mordante * r35328 /trunk/src/gui/widgets/window.cpp: 
20090429 20:47:24< CIA-30> Better validate the map area size.
20090429 20:47:24< CIA-30> This fixes the result of bug #13420 (the cause still needs to be fixed).
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20090429 20:50:36< euschn> hi
20090429 20:50:47< mordante> hi euschn 
20090429 20:51:10< mordante> YogiHH, do you need to add more dialogs in the next few days?
20090429 20:51:39< YogiHH> mordante: probably not, if so, the load game dialog would be next
20090429 20:52:17< mordante> ok since I'm busy to reorganize the gui code a bit and settings.hpp will move to auxiliary
20090429 20:52:47< mordante> and probably I add a new window_type.cpp/hpp to reduce the number of units which need to be recompiled when adding a new window
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20090429 21:08:48< CIA-30> mordante * r35329 /branches/1.6/src/gui/widgets/window.cpp: Better validate the map area size.
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20090429 21:20:13< CIA-30> mordante * r35330 /trunk/src/gui/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Move gui/widgets/formula.hpp to gui/auxiliary.
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20090429 21:28:05< silene> hi
20090429 21:28:11< mordante> regarding https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?13420 does it ring a bell with anybody? The gamemap is no longer shown in the start event
20090429 21:28:14< mordante> hi silene 
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20090429 21:54:02< Shadow_Master> I showed one of my classmates the amount FIXMEs we have in code.
20090429 21:54:05< Shadow_Master> *of
20090429 21:54:21< Shadow_Master> gave him a goood laugh ;)
20090429 21:56:07< Polarina> :P
20090429 21:56:32< CIA-30> jhinrichs * r35331 /trunk/src/ (savegame.cpp savegame.hpp): Fixes overwriting for automatic savegames.
20090429 21:56:46< YogiHH> mordante: see above
20090429 21:56:54< mordante> thanks YogiHH 
20090429 21:57:08< mordante> afk now
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20090429 22:09:02< CIA-30> jhinrichs * r35332 /trunk/src/ (dialogs.cpp dialogs.hpp savegame.cpp savegame.hpp): Savegame refactoring: Removes some more references to dialogs.hpp.
20090429 22:09:24< Shadow_Master> esr: could you try starting HttT with trunk and tell me whether you see lots of "file not found: PREPROCESSOR_SYMBOL" errors in stderR?
20090429 22:09:27< Shadow_Master> *stderr
20090429 22:12:11< esr> Shadow_Master: Will do.
20090429 22:12:39< Shadow_Master> AI0867: next time I'm going to migrate a wesnoth-umc-dev add-on to mainline, please remind me to run wesnoth-optipng on it before the mainline commit ;)
20090429 22:12:56< Shadow_Master> good that I'm enjoying real wide bandwidth here
20090429 22:17:59< Polarina> Overall statistics (only for files with a smaller recompressed size):
20090429 22:17:59< Polarina>   Original size: 83 KiB on 16 files
20090429 22:17:59< Polarina>  Optimized size: 83 KiB
20090429 22:18:02< Polarina> On trunk.
20090429 22:20:11< Shadow_Master> Polarina: probably on /images?
20090429 22:20:16< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic ran it only on /data/
20090429 22:20:31< Ivanovic> Shadow_Master: no
20090429 22:20:37< Ivanovic> i run it right from root
20090429 22:20:57< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: / ???
20090429 22:21:03< Polarina> I'll pastebin a list of files that had been reduced in filesize.
20090429 22:21:09< Ivanovic> Shadow_Master: on root of trunk
20090429 22:21:18< Shadow_Master> right. You spoiled my joke .
20090429 22:21:19< Ivanovic> as in: starting via ./utils/wesnoth-optipng
20090429 22:21:22< Shadow_Master> >:(
20090429 22:21:56< Ivanovic> Polarina: uhm, okay, so your change does not reduce the size by a single kb even though 16 files are touched
20090429 22:22:04< Ivanovic> does not sound like it really should be included
20090429 22:22:06< Ivanovic> ;)
20090429 22:22:20< Polarina> Ivanovic: Just some bytes.
20090429 22:22:25< Polarina> Ivanovic: And without changes.
20090429 22:22:40< Polarina> I did not change the script, other than --threads 4096
20090429 22:23:09< Polarina> Ivanovic: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/m25802840
20090429 22:23:17< Shadow_Master> you are crazy.
20090429 22:23:24< esr> Shadow_Master: Testing now...
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20090429 22:24:15< Shadow_Master> Polarina: I suggest you consult with Emacs pyschotherapist. You don't look  any good :(
20090429 22:24:25< Shadow_Master> I'm really worried for you :(
20090429 22:24:34< Polarina> Shadow_Master: Define "any good"
20090429 22:24:46< Shadow_Master> you look bad.
20090429 22:24:52< Polarina> How so?
20090429 22:25:23< esr> Shadow_Master: I see it.  I think this may be an error of mine.
20090429 22:25:30< Shadow_Master> I suspected so ;)
20090429 22:27:37< esr> I'll fix immediately.
20090429 22:30:51< Polarina> Ivanovic: Could it be that these files optimised better for me because I have more recent software installed (optipng and that stuff)
20090429 22:30:52< Polarina> ?
20090429 22:32:23< Ivanovic> or that something strange happened
20090429 22:32:38< Ivanovic> i am not so sure that you got a more recent version (gentoo unstable is rather up to date ;) )
20090429 22:32:58< Ivanovic> but yeah, a different version is likely the cause for such a minimal difference
20090429 22:33:25< Polarina> OptiPNG 0.6.2.1: Compiled with libpng version 1.2.35 and zlib version 1.2.3.3
20090429 22:33:45< Polarina> advancecomp v1.15
20090429 22:34:38< Ivanovic> $ optipng -v
20090429 22:34:40< Ivanovic> OptiPNG 0.6.2.1: Advanced PNG optimizer
20090429 22:34:47< Ivanovic> Compiled with libpng version 1.2.33-optipng and zlib version 1.2.3-optipng
20090429 22:35:09< Polarina> libpng could've made the difference, or zlib...
20090429 22:35:19< Ivanovic> advancecomp-1.15
20090429 22:35:38< Polarina> Ivanovic: Would you like me to send the smaller PNG files?
20090429 22:35:43< Ivanovic> no
20090429 22:35:46< Polarina> Ok.
20090429 22:35:51< Ivanovic> this is *really* not needed
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20090429 22:36:24< Ivanovic> no idea why optipng is built against some internal version of libpng and zlib
20090429 22:41:59< Shadow_Master> gentoo, heh
20090429 22:59:37< YogiHH> mordante: do you think, a general two button dialog makes sense (OK/Cancel, Yes/No + a message) ? Or would you prefer to put that into different dialog classes?
20090429 23:00:02< CIA-30> esr * r35333 /trunk/data/ (15 files in 14 dirs): 
20090429 23:00:02< CIA-30> The previous attempt to keep from leaking generated journey macros into
20090429 23:00:02< CIA-30> the global macro namespace got a bit overzealous.
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20090429 23:06:19< YogiHH> Ivanovic: If a EasyCoding task is done, do we simply remove it from the wiki page?
20090429 23:14:14< ilor> YogiHH: I'd say put it in <del></del> for a while and clean them up after some time
20090429 23:14:29< YogiHH> ok
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20090429 23:34:48< mordante> YogiHH, I want one generic dialog and I'll start to work in http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/EasyCoding#Generic_yes.2Fno_ok.2Fcancel_dialog myself soon
20090429 23:35:35< mordante> and I want to extend the tmessage class to do that and add some more helper functions for it
20090429 23:36:11< YogiHH> mordante: ok, i was just about to suggest that you use game_save_overwrite as a starting point but do it as you like
20090429 23:36:40< mordante> I already added some code for this task, only first the layout algorithm needs to be better
20090429 23:36:57< mordante> making items invisible doesn't really work as I want yet
20090429 23:37:02< mordante> so I want to fix that first
20090429 23:37:37< YogiHH> mordante: ok, once you are done, i will replace overwriting with the generic dialog, then
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20090429 23:38:02< mordante> yes that would be great
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20090429 23:59:56< mordante> I'm off night
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