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20090425 00:39:29< Baconizer> greetings!
20090425 00:39:32< Baconizer> any devs about?
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20090425 00:53:15< Ischaldirh> no but I am
20090425 00:53:23< Baconizer> hai :D
20090425 00:53:29< Ischaldirh> I'm nobody though
20090425 00:53:32< Ischaldirh> hi
20090425 00:53:33< Baconizer> oh
20090425 00:53:34< Baconizer> :<
20090425 00:53:44< Ischaldirh> lol
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20090425 01:02:10< Janizdreg> I just played my first multiplayer Wesnoth match. very enjoyable, I must say.
20090425 01:04:51< Janizdreg> although I'm not sure if it was a good idea to turn fog of war off. :P
20090425 01:10:21< Elvish_Pillage2> Janizdreg: It was.
20090425 01:10:42< Janizdreg> really? so do most people play without it?
20090425 01:10:47< Elvish_Pillage2> No.
20090425 01:11:19< Janizdreg> well, why was it a good idea then?
20090425 01:11:28< Elvish_Pillage2> TBH, most people play with fog because it defaults to on.
20090425 01:11:39< Baconizer> i like fog of war off
20090425 01:11:48< Baconizer> on*
20090425 01:11:51< Baconizer> do'oh
20090425 01:11:58< Elvish_Pillage2> I like it off because I don't like games of information against human opponents.
20090425 01:12:07< Elvish_Pillage2> That's just a personal preference.
20090425 01:12:21< Janizdreg> so it works fine both ways?
20090425 01:12:27< Elvish_Pillage2> It's a different game.
20090425 01:12:30< Elvish_Pillage2> Both are interesting games.
20090425 01:12:50< Elvish_Pillage2> But you can't really compare them as much as everyone tries to.
20090425 01:12:52< cjhopman> for short games fog of war off is probably better
20090425 01:13:01< cjhopman> for long games on is better
20090425 01:13:25< Elvish_Pillage2> well, fog off makes the game more interesting in the sense that you can see twice as many moves happening :)
20090425 01:13:35< Elvish_Pillage2> well, not really
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20090425 01:14:29< Elvish_Pillage2> but the first few turns are a little formulaic on a large map with fog, while there's some competition already when playing without fog.
20090425 01:15:25< Elvish_Pillage2> cjhopman: I'd say rather that for fog games, long games are better, while for no-fog games, short games are better
20090425 01:15:40< Elvish_Pillage2> since long and short games are more comparable than fog and fogless ones.
20090425 01:16:16< Elvish_Pillage2> Except on maps that are small enough that the fog hardly has much effect.
20090425 01:17:45< Janizdreg> doesn't fog off give an edge to players who get later turns in the sense that you can see what initial units your opponents pick during their first turn?
20090425 01:18:21< Elvish_Pillage2> if you spend all your gold on the first turn, then yes...
20090425 01:26:03< Janizdreg> so are there any real advantages to saving lots of gold for later turns, apart from letting you buy better counter-units against your opponents force due to knowing what he deploys? (sorry, I'm still quite a newbie with understanding Wesnoth strategies and advanced strategy essentials)
20090425 01:31:23< Janizdreg> not that getting fitting counter-units would somehow be an unuseful thingey. :P
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20090425 02:00:06< Elvish_Pillage2> Janizdreg: the only other use would be to save a few gold on upkeep.
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20090425 10:20:56< Ivanovic> moin
20090425 10:22:26< Ischaldirh> no, mine
20090425 10:27:06< Unnheulu> ^^
20090425 10:42:37< grzywacz> Dragonking, ;>
20090425 10:52:38< Dragonking> grzywacz: ?:>
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20090425 13:28:20< Rotwang> hai
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20090425 13:51:17< Rotwang> is there some way to communicate with wesnoth so i can get some data about currently played game?
20090425 13:52:59< Rotwang> like if there is my turn or not
20090425 13:53:43< Tomsik> There's a flag 
20090425 13:53:54< Tomsik> Its colour is the colour of the player whose turn it is
20090425 13:56:46< Rotwang> but i mean like external program
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20090425 13:58:49< Tomsik> nope
20090425 13:59:13< Rotwang> :<
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20090425 14:33:36< Rhonda> Rotwang: Turn on the turn-start notifications in the options doesn't really please you?
20090425 14:34:12< Rhonda> Hmm, maybe the turn-change could be part of the debug output that the client spits out.
20090425 14:35:21< Rotwang> hmm, i cant find this option
20090425 14:36:56< Rhonda> I have the german localization turned on, so I hope my translation back to enlish helps you find it: It's right in the general settings in the preferences, notification at start of turn.
20090425 14:37:07< Rhonda> The second checkbox after the second slider there.
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20090425 14:38:41< Rotwang> turn dialog i suppose
20090425 14:38:46< Rotwang> all right lemme check it
20090425 14:40:00< Rotwang> Rhonda: unfortunetly it doesnt help much
20090425 14:41:00< Rotwang> i need something external
20090425 14:41:18< Rotwang> so ill be able to popup a notification window in all workspaces on my desktop
20090425 14:41:27< Rhonda> In the audio menu there is also accoustic notification at turn start
20090425 14:41:43< Rotwang> yeah i turned off all sound in wesnoth
20090425 14:41:50< Rotwang> it fscks my sound
20090425 14:42:27< Rhonda> WTF, I can't turn it on!
20090425 14:42:47 * Rhonda panics and fears an MK report
20090425 14:43:08< Rhonda> 20090425 14:42:56 error audio: Could not initialize audio: No available audio device
20090425 14:43:12 * Rhonda is puzzled.
20090425 14:43:44< Rotwang> :}
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20090425 14:55:37< Shadow_Master> Rotwang: do you have any audio apps running in the background?
20090425 14:55:45< Shadow_Master> *misconfigured audio apps
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20090425 15:09:06< Rotwang> Shadow_Master: probably
20090425 15:09:21< Rotwang> but they are working well when wesnoths sound is turned off
20090425 15:10:05< Shadow_Master> Rotwang: are you using Debian? do you have libsdl1.2debian-all installed?
20090425 15:11:12< Rotwang> no, i'm not using dobian
20090425 15:11:17< Shadow_Master> ah, okay
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20090425 15:29:52< Ivanovic> Rotwang: what *are* you using?
20090425 15:30:00< Ivanovic> there are many debian derivates that behave the same way...
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20090425 15:47:04< Rotwang> Ivanovic: im using crux
20090425 15:47:30< Rotwang> and woice is not enough id like to have notification popups
20090425 15:47:37< Rotwang> voice*
20090425 15:48:03< Ivanovic> there won't be notification popups from wesnoth
20090425 15:48:04< Rotwang> i thought about dumping incoming packets via tcpdump to see if it is my turn
20090425 15:48:11< Rotwang> but thats rather stupid idea
20090425 15:48:18< Rotwang> Ivanovic: i know
20090425 15:48:29< Ivanovic> though would require some strange quirks to interact with the whole system, which is hell when thinking of multiplatform stuff
20090425 15:48:47< Rotwang> bummer :<
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20090425 19:57:22< Sonnenwind> Hi. I am new to wml. You know a good way to find errors in wml code? Are there debug messages?
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20090425 20:10:04< fendrin> hi zookeeper
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20090425 20:35:19< [Relic]> Hello :)
20090425 20:44:41< zookeeper> yo fendrin
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