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20090503 00:03:19< Crab_> Zen_Clark: but there can be other opinions on that. that's an open problem since ~2006: do sides 'sight' units or do units 'sight' units ?
20090503 00:09:12-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: accepted students for SoC: http://socghop.appspot.com/org/home/google/gsoc2009/wesnoth | 62 bugs, 236 feature requests, 10 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org/ | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20090503 00:14:41< WishMasterNND> Again, my first question: What is the general idea behind Wesnoth?
20090503 00:15:28< noy> Well Wesnoth was started in 2003 by David White as an Open source project, and he wanted to create a game that had alot of elements of his favorite games in the past.
20090503 00:15:55< Soliton> http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/WesnothPhilosophy
20090503 00:16:22< WishMasterNND> Why would somebody develop a game in his spare-time and then publish it for free?
20090503 00:17:44< noy> A whole range of reasons I suppose. 
20090503 00:18:21< noy> I can't speak for them all, but I think some see it as a useful way to develop their own skills
20090503 00:18:46< noy> working on an open source project is a useful thing to have on a resume
20090503 00:19:23< noy> Many truly believe in the open source model as a way for development.
20090503 00:19:40< noy> But I think at its core, all developers enjoy the game itself.
20090503 00:20:02< noy> and they see alot of potential in it for improvement, and want to make it better.
20090503 00:21:02< noy> I'm sure you can ask the other developers yourself for their individual motivations. Personally I started playing hte game as a regular player and wanted to do more. Four years later I'm still here trying to make it better. 
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20090503 00:22:05< WishMasterNND> What makes Wesnoth different from other free games?
20090503 00:24:14< noy> Hm... I guess there are several ways to cut it. The most obvious is that it operates under a Open Source license, similar to how Linux operates, which is somewhat rare for games in general.  
20090503 00:25:12< noy> There aren't many operate in that manner, which presents some special challenges for development. I think among other free games is that we have a thriving development and playing community.
20090503 00:26:11< noy> We are able to attract quite a few high quality developers, in a wide variety of areas including; programming (in several different languages), writing, art, translation and music
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20090503 00:27:20< noy> I'm not entirely versed in all of the free games available on the market, but I don't know that many which are as fortunate.
20090503 00:27:44< noy> I should also point out that Wesnoth is also its own game in many respects.
20090503 00:27:59< WishMasterNND> In what respects?
20090503 00:28:18< Zen_Clark> ERC> 
20090503 00:28:20< noy> Alot of the free games are basically implementations of other commercially viable games.
20090503 00:29:04< noy> David White tried making his own game based on elements from other games in a genre.
20090503 00:29:36< noy> and since then individuals have used the opportunity of the open source model to alter the game into many different ways
20090503 00:29:37< dfranke> Zen_Clark: hail fellow pilgrim of the Church of Emacs.
20090503 00:29:58< noy> For example, you can play wesnoth as a dungeon crawler
20090503 00:30:16< noy> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=21234
20090503 00:30:49< noy> As a traditional hexed based strategy game, as it normally plays now in campaigns. 
20090503 00:30:49< Zen_Clark> dfranke: Hello fellow pilgrim
20090503 00:31:22< noy> Or as a more complex resource game, like with the Another Land Mods
20090503 00:32:04< noy> So I think its combination of all these things that makes Wesnoth Unique
20090503 00:32:47< WishMasterNND> Allright, one more question: Wesnoth has already gone a long way. What are the current plans for the future of the project?
20090503 00:33:26< noy> Well I don't think you'll see any massive changes in the project in its future.
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20090503 00:33:51< noy> Many of its core gameplay aspects have been set for over five years now... they aren't likely to change
20090503 00:34:21< noy> However there are a number of things that are exciting, I would argue
20090503 00:34:41< noy> The quality of the game will continue to increase. 
20090503 00:35:33< noy> If you look at just how far we have come since 2004 to 2006 (when we released 1.0) and then to 2009 when we just released 1.6, its really a shock.
20090503 00:36:25< noy> The GUI looks so much better, like with the work people have done with Transparencies 
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20090503 00:36:53< noy> Art is just amazing now. 
20090503 00:37:39< WishMasterNND> Thank you, noy for taking your time to answer my questions.
20090503 00:37:50< noy> In the past few years we've attracted some gifted portrait artists which have given us some truly spectacular pieces for our game. This has also come in conjunction with great unit art 
20090503 00:38:02< noy> just a few more things before you go WishMasterNND 
20090503 00:38:31< noy> I think also there is a move towards making the game more accessible for people to modify and create their own content for.
20090503 00:38:56< noy> and that means you'll see even more opportunities for people to experience new games to play with the system.
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20090503 00:39:32< noy> So while the core gameplay might not change, players will be able to find modifications of them to suit their interests
20090503 00:40:17< noy> There are new eras and scenarios being posted each day on the campaign server, which people download
20090503 00:40:35< noy> Its really one of the most attractive parts of the game. 
20090503 00:40:57< noy> Which goes back to the reason why people would want to spend their free time to help develop.
20090503 00:41:05< noy> .. WishMasterNND I hope that helps.
20090503 00:41:14< WishMasterNND> Sure :)
20090503 00:41:35< noy> If I'm around you're free to ask me more questions. 
20090503 00:41:45< WishMasterNND> One more thing: How would you like to be referred in the article?
20090503 00:41:54< noy> I'm sure the other developers wouldn't mind answering one or two.
20090503 00:42:02< WishMasterNND> I usually prefer using people's real names.
20090503 00:42:09< noy> Heh um
20090503 00:42:21< noy> hmm
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20090503 02:41:54 * Polarina wonders if anyone is going to take a look at her bug report.
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20090503 02:47:25< Sir_Konrad> Master Server is down.
20090503 02:47:48< Polarina> Sir_Konrad: We are well aware of that. The red alarm is flashing.
20090503 02:48:07< Sir_Konrad> Polarina, are you serious?
20090503 02:48:50 * Sir_Konrad will be back to help in anyway he can
20090503 02:48:54< Sir_Konrad> later
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20090503 02:51:24< Polarina> Sir_Konrad: Yes, I am really serious.
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20090503 03:33:36< Sir_Konrad> Hey guys, thanks for fixing the server. :)
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20090503 03:48:56< AI0867> I just noticed, the event that's supposed to 4MP leaders quick doesn't work in r35398
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20090503 04:06:19-!- Topic for #wesnoth-dev: accepted students for SoC: http://socghop.appspot.com/org/home/google/gsoc2009/wesnoth | 62 bugs, 236 feature requests, 10 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org/ | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
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20090503 04:18:06< [Relic]> ello :)
20090503 04:19:10< [Relic]> Hello :)
20090503 04:19:37< Sir_Konrad> Hello :)
20090503 04:20:19< Polarina> Hello :)
20090503 04:20:53< Sir_Konrad> How are you Polarina?
20090503 04:21:07< Polarina> Sir_Konrad: I am good, thank you. And how are you?
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20090503 04:25:32< Sir_Konrad> Polarina, I'm doing very good thanks. I'm playing a Turbo XP game on the Master Server.
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20090503 04:53:15< [Relic]> :)
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20090503 05:05:05< dfranke>   /names
20090503 05:05:07< dfranke> oops
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20090503 08:19:03< mordante> hi
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20090503 08:59:01< cjhopman> silene, those changes with paths::routes (particularly its usage by a* search) were so badly needed
20090503 08:59:30< boucman> morning all
20090503 08:59:37< cjhopman> morning boucman
20090503 09:00:01< silene> cjhopman: yep, the fact that move_left meant move_cost for one algorithm was a huge hint ;-)
20090503 09:00:05< boucman> cjhopman: if you have some time at some point, I would be interested in finding out if we could increase the speed of fast replays, 
20090503 09:00:29< boucman> (my guess is that we spend most time displaying/scrolling to leader, but there might be other worthwhile optimisations)
20090503 09:01:06< cjhopman> boucman, when i get some time, sure
20090503 09:01:19< silene> cjhopman: and it brought another 10% overall speedup to the AI, so it's not that bad
20090503 09:01:45< cjhopman> boucman, i'm pretty busy for the next week, but after that i will have tons of time
20090503 09:02:14< cjhopman> silene, yeah, we've probably cut pathfinding time by like 50+% now
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20090503 10:02:56< Ivanovic> moin
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20090503 10:51:57< CIA-30> ivanovic * r35420 /trunk/po/ (4 files in 4 dirs): updated Polish translation
20090503 10:51:58< CIA-30> ivanovic * r35421 /branches/1.6/po/ (4 files in 4 dirs): updated Polish translation
20090503 10:52:48-!- Ivanovic changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: stringfreeze for branches/1.6, 1.6.2 planned for next Sunday (10 May) | 62 bugs, 236 feature requests, 10 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org/ | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
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20090503 11:05:52< CIA-30> ivanovic * r35422 /branches/1.6/ (261 files in 21 dirs): 
20090503 11:05:52< CIA-30> pot-update (string additions/changes in wesnoth, wesnoth-manpages and wesnoth-utbs)
20090503 11:05:52< CIA-30> regenerated doc files (fixing a mistake in the Polish translation...)
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20090503 11:11:15< Crab_> hi
20090503 11:11:59< Ivanovic> hi Crab_
20090503 11:13:28< Crab_> hi, Ivanovic. so, 1.6.2. in a week ?
20090503 11:13:34< Ivanovic> Crab_: jupp
20090503 11:13:44< Crab_> and then, in a few more weeks, 1.7 ?
20090503 11:13:49< Ivanovic> and, like i just wrote to wesnoth-dev@gna 1.7 in two weeks
20090503 11:14:12< CIA-30> ivanovic * r35423 /trunk/ (314 files in 26 dirs): 
20090503 11:14:12< CIA-30> pot-update
20090503 11:14:12< CIA-30> regenerated doc files (fixing a mistake in the Polish translation...)
20090503 11:26:11< Reisiger> Good morning :)
20090503 11:26:55< Reisiger> mordante, ilor: around?
20090503 11:27:32< ilor> hi Reisiger
20090503 11:28:28< Reisiger> ilor: Did you have a chance to look at the patch to remove obsolete 'additional dependencies'?
20090503 11:28:46< ilor> uh, which patch? must have missed that one
20090503 11:29:06< Reisiger> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=355120#p355120
20090503 11:29:42< Reisiger> When you commited the patch I prepared beforehand, 4 *.lib's got added to wesnoth.vcproj that are not needed
20090503 11:30:43< Reisiger> I guess you still have those in your project files and the lib folders, so you didn't notice ^
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20090503 11:39:42< Ivanovic> ilor: i am currently working on translating the new strings in the editor
20090503 11:39:49< Ivanovic> ilor: what does this part mean? "Ctrl+click to sample terrain under cursor."
20090503 11:40:12< ilor> Ivanovic: terrain sampling, ie grab the terrain into the brush
20090503 11:40:17< Ivanovic> ah, okay
20090503 11:40:41< ilor> there is "color sampling" in various image editing software
20090503 11:42:21< ilor> Ivanovic: btw can we get Reisiger (and McShark too I guess) svn commit access if they stick to updating project files?
20090503 11:42:56< Ivanovic> should be possible
20090503 11:43:20< Ivanovic> Reisiger: ask for group membership at gna.org
20090503 11:43:36< Reisiger> Ivanovic: Will do, thanks :)
20090503 11:43:44< Ivanovic> ilor: ask mcshark to ask for group membership, have him add some "maintainence of vc++ files" in the "reason to get in"
20090503 11:45:01< CIA-30> ivanovic * r35424 /trunk/ (8 files in 8 dirs): updated German translation
20090503 11:45:14< CIA-30> ivanovic * r35425 /branches/1.6/ (6 files in 6 dirs): updated German translation
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20090503 11:49:19< Reisiger> Ivanovic: Done.
20090503 11:49:58< Ivanovic> Reisiger: okay, added you in
20090503 11:50:21< Ivanovic> now you got to convert your checkout to svn+ssh://reisinger@FOOO
20090503 11:51:07< Ivanovic> beside this: no commits beside project file updates, other changes should (till you get the "sure, feel free to normally work on things) go via patches.wesnoth.org
20090503 11:51:11< Ivanovic> okay?
20090503 11:51:31< Reisiger> Ivanovic: Sure. :)
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20090503 11:51:58< Ivanovic> to be able to get a checkout via svn+ssh you have you upload a key to gna
20090503 11:52:23< Reisiger> I'm not keep on messing up the game for everyone else o_O
20090503 11:52:28< Ivanovic> if you have not done so several hours ago already, it will take "a while" till you can switch the rep (yeah, if sometimes takes some hours)
20090503 11:52:45< Reisiger> I got a key already loaded and ready ^^
20090503 11:52:52< Ivanovic> great
20090503 11:52:57< ilor> Ivanovic: Sent McShark a PM
20090503 11:53:02< Ivanovic> ilor: okay
20090503 11:54:34< Reisiger> Ivanovic: I'll get everything ready and will commit the updates to the trunk and branch-1.6 VC9 folders then
20090503 12:01:08< Reisiger> Ivanovic: Might take a bit until gna accepts my svn+ssh connection... or Win7 x64 has an issue with Pageant.
20090503 12:01:34< Ivanovic> Reisiger: after uploading the key (for me some years ago) it took about 4h until it was in the system
20090503 12:01:55< Ivanovic> so if you just uploaded it: wait, sit back, play some wesnoth, whatever...
20090503 12:02:11< Reisiger> It's there for a few weeks already ;)
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20090503 12:14:20< mordante> Reisiger, around now
20090503 12:18:18< Reisiger> Well, I got the private key loaded in pageant, yet I'm getting a 'Disconnected: No supported authentication methods available' o_O
20090503 12:19:05< mordante> Ivanovic, no objections against 1.7.0 in two weeks, only need to update the changelog
20090503 12:19:12< Ivanovic> :)
20090503 12:19:20< mordante> but I do that after the new layout algorithm seems stable
20090503 12:19:25< Crab_> Reisiger: if you're having problems, first try to connect through putty.
20090503 12:19:55< Crab_> Reisiger: You'll get "Error: You are not allowed to run the command you asked. Only svn over ssh is accepted" on a successful connection.
20090503 12:20:21< mordante> my definition of success is slightly different ;-)
20090503 12:22:51< Crab_> Reisiger: be sure to use protocol version 2.0. see the log of a successful connection  - http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/m175cb4cd
20090503 12:23:56< Reisiger> Same error with PuTTY...
20090503 12:24:41< Reisiger> Hm... shut down pageant... now 'server refused our key'
20090503 12:25:56< Crab_> Reisiger: is the correct key specified in PuTTY options ?
20090503 12:27:23< Reisiger> Crab_: It is... and I got troubles finding the log file o_O
20090503 12:27:37< Crab_> Reisiger: try using plink from a command line
20090503 12:28:25< Crab_> plink -i PATH_TO_KEY USER@svn.gna.org
20090503 12:28:43< Reisiger> Crab_: Hm... CMD doesn't recognize plink, so the installer didn't add it to path
20090503 12:28:50< Crab_> after you get it working, simply tell   svn or git, what is the correct "ssh" to use.
20090503 12:28:55 * Ivanovic is glad how easy it is to use "common developing tools" on linux
20090503 12:29:05< Ivanovic> stuff like ssh with keys and all the stuff
20090503 12:29:25< Crab_> something like:   ssh=c:/path/to/plink.exe -i PATH_TO_KEY   USER@svn.gna.org
20090503 12:29:37< Crab_> in %APPDATA%/Subversion
20090503 12:29:50< Crab_> (there should be a config file there)
20090503 12:29:56 * Reisiger troutslaps Win7 for having the explorer hang itself right now o_O
20090503 12:32:13< CIA-30> loonycyborg * r35426 /trunk/ (SConstruct src/SConscript): 
20090503 12:32:13< CIA-30> Ensure that scons exits with an error if building of a disabled target is requested
20090503 12:32:13< CIA-30> either directly or indirectly.
20090503 12:32:26< Reisiger> Yeesh... that's worse than a clearvoiance meeting getting canceled for unexpected reasons... I'll need to reboot before I can give it another try.
20090503 12:33:21< Crab_> Ivanovic: it is just because software is free on *nix. So there's better infrastructure for installing software. So, that better infrastructure configures ssh to put its default identity file in a same place for all users. So, that identity file is used by default without configuration. So, svn+ssh just works :)
20090503 12:33:39< Ivanovic> jupp
20090503 12:35:02< Reisiger> Back in a bit ^^
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20090503 12:56:20< mordante> Shadow_Master, storyscreen/controller.cpp fails to compile for LOW_MEM
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20090503 12:59:55< CIA-30> mordante * r35427 /trunk/changelog: Update changelog.
20090503 13:00:03< CIA-30> mordante * r35428 /trunk/src/tests/gui/test_gui2.cpp: Fix a compilation error with TINY_GUI.
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20090503 13:16:31< Crab_> Reisiger: ok, tested it on windows vbox.  See  http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/m6957563 for the how-to.
20090503 13:17:38< Crab_> (oops, a few small mistakes. fixed version -  http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/m37dd7e3a )
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20090503 14:04:51< euschn> hi
20090503 14:07:22< CIA-30> ivanovic * r35429 /trunk/po/ (wesnoth/de.po wesnoth-thot/de.po wesnoth-units/de.po): updated German translation (included patch #1173 )
20090503 14:07:26< CIA-30> ivanovic * r35430 /branches/1.6/po/ (wesnoth/de.po wesnoth-thot/de.po wesnoth-units/de.po): updated German translation (included patch #1173 )
20090503 14:09:46< CIA-30> ivanovic * r35431 /trunk/po/ (7 files in 7 dirs): updated Hungarian translation
20090503 14:09:54< CIA-30> ivanovic * r35432 /branches/1.6/ (9 files in 8 dirs): updated Hungarian translation
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20090503 14:31:46< Polarina> Hello. :)
20090503 14:31:53< Crab_> hi Polarina
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20090503 14:36:45< Reisiger> Crab_: Got it working now :) Seems there's also a delay for gna to update project membership
20090503 14:36:55< Crab_> Reisiger: good )
20090503 14:37:45< Reisiger> I should have everything ready and tested to commit the trunk and branch-1.6 VC9 updates
20090503 14:39:37< Reisiger> Q: Is there a way to do those commits at once, or do I need to make them individually?
20090503 14:40:06< Polarina> Reisiger: Trunk and branch has to be done separately.
20090503 14:40:15< Reisiger> Ok. Thanks.
20090503 14:40:23< Crab_> Reisiger: there's no need to do them at once, since each of them will not break compilation individually.
20090503 14:41:23< Reisiger> M'kay.
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20090503 14:51:04< CIA-30> reisiger * r35433 /branches/1.6/projectfiles/VC9/ (5 files): 
20090503 14:51:04< CIA-30> Updated and added the .vcproj(.user) files for the branch 1.6 MSVC solution and project files to compile wesnoth.
20090503 14:51:04< CIA-30> Added the README.txt to facilitate setting up MSVC 2008 to compile Wesnoth.
20090503 14:51:55< ilor> Reisiger: it's possible to do commits to multiple branches at once, but it's generally easier to deal with problems if you don't, so don't ;)
20090503 14:52:31< Reisiger> ilor: Ok. I'll keep things simple and nice :)
20090503 14:53:45< CIA-30> reisiger * r35434 /trunk/projectfiles/VC9/wesnoth.vcproj: Removed unneeded 'Additional Dependencies' - which got added in trunk r35392 - to prevent MSVC from throwing linking errors.
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20090503 16:53:50< silene> hi
20090503 17:01:05< crimson_penguin> hi silene 
20090503 17:01:32< crimson_penguin> mordante: so, I got everything to compile, there's just one problem: no main function
20090503 17:01:45< crimson_penguin> it's supposed to be defined by the boost library I know, but it isn't
20090503 17:02:08< crimson_penguin> I'm linking to boost_unit_test_framework
20090503 17:03:01< loonycyborg> crimson_penguin: Try adding -DBOOST_TEST_DYN_LINK to command-line options.
20090503 17:03:44< crimson_penguin> loonycyborg: to tests/main.cpp?
20090503 17:04:13< loonycyborg> Probably to all sources in tests/
20090503 17:04:55< crimson_penguin> Well it linked with just main
20090503 17:07:40< crimson_penguin> But now I get a bus error
20090503 17:07:43< crimson_penguin> Maybe I should just do it for everything :)
20090503 17:28:47< crimson_penguin> loonycyborg: I'm getting this: http://pastebin.com/d6523c26f
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20090503 17:32:58< CIA-30> silene * r35435 /trunk/src/menu_events.cpp: Added a "lua" command.
20090503 17:36:04< loonycyborg> crimson_penguin: You're getting this when you do what?
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20090503 18:00:55< loonycyborg> crimson_penguin: This looks like a backtrace, but lacks the original error :)
20090503 18:02:24< mordante> crimson_penguin, good to know it compiles, and to answer your question; I added it to the unit tests to continue developing the code
20090503 18:02:47< mordante> once finished I can move it in the main code, but that forces a rather large recompilation
20090503 18:03:01< mordante> which I rather avoid during development
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20090503 18:35:45< McShark> Hi folks!
20090503 18:35:56< mordante> hi McShark 
20090503 18:36:28< McShark> Has anybody an idea when the 1.7 add-on server will be ready?
20090503 18:36:54< Soliton> what's wrong with it?
20090503 18:38:00< loonycyborg> It's empty for me.
20090503 18:38:36< Soliton> sounds like it is ready then.
20090503 18:38:38< mordante> which probably is no surprise since 1.7 hasn't been released yet ;-)
20090503 18:39:39< McShark> Yes, this is the reason for my question, because there is no server for SVN.
20090503 18:39:57< mordante> there is for me but empty
20090503 18:40:02< Soliton> there certainly is as loonycyborg just confirmed.
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20090503 20:04:34< CIA-30> mordante * r35436 /trunk/src/lexical_cast.hpp: Small code cleanup.
20090503 20:04:55< CIA-30> mordante * r35437 /trunk/src/lexical_cast.hpp: Minor lexical_cast cleanups.
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20090503 21:31:36< Sapient> yo mordante
20090503 21:35:27< Sapient> are there still known issues with arrows keys causing assertion failure in menu code?
20090503 21:35:28< Sapient> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=355323#p355323
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20090503 21:48:30< crimson_penguin> loonycyborg: when running the unit tests executable; and that's the whole backtrace I get
20090503 21:50:11 * crimson_penguin is about to leave though
20090503 21:50:47< mordante> Sapient, no didn't know that, thanks for the link, do you know how to reproduce it or should I ask ken Oh?
20090503 21:50:57< crimson_penguin> mordante: I've recompiled everything a few times to get these unit tests to work :P (which they don't yet; I get a bus error)
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20090503 21:51:33< crimson_penguin> it compiles and links no problem though
20090503 21:52:06< mordante> maybe there's a real bug in the code
20090503 21:52:18< Sapient> mordante: the bug report indicated 1.6.1
20090503 21:52:33< Sapient> all I know id it involved Wesband and arrow keys
20090503 21:52:40< Sapient> Wesband has many menus
20090503 21:54:05< mordante> then I'll ask Ken Oh
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20090503 21:56:21< silene> crimson_penguin: you are using 1.6 or trunk?
20090503 21:56:24< Sapient> mordante: Darkmage was the one who encountered it
20090503 21:57:03< crimson_penguin> silene: 1.6, but with mordante's new unit tests
20090503 21:57:20< crimson_penguin> except I still don't understand how they affect anything; unless the test was just to make sure it compiles, in which case it passed 
20090503 21:57:46< mordante> that was kind of the test yes, still would be nice to know whether it also runs as expected
20090503 21:58:16< silene> crimson_penguin: with 1.6, it's a matter of link order; if you object files are not in the correct order you get an error (i would have expected a segfault instead, but i guess a sigbus is fine too)
20090503 21:58:42< mordante> do to the logger?
20090503 21:58:45< mordante> due*
20090503 21:58:49< crimson_penguin> silene: oh great... I'm not even sure how to set the link order in XCode :-/
20090503 21:59:35< silene> mordante: yes, the logger in 1.6 was not supposed to be called from a constructor (what's the point? loggers don't work until the command-line has been parsed)
20090503 21:59:48< silene> global constructor*
20090503 22:01:03< Sapient> well... presumably it could hold the text in some kind of buffer until the command-line has been parsed
20090503 22:01:14< Crab_> silene: I hit that limitation once,when I was logging default ai parameter initialization (which were stored in a static class variable initialized by static function)
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20090503 22:05:29< mordante> crimson_penguin, well the runtime test is not that important. But if you want to test the sigbus you can try to remove line 69 in config_cache.cpp
20090503 22:08:07< crimson_penguin> http://pastebin.com/d57b395bb
20090503 22:09:55< crimson_penguin> aand, I have to go
20090503 22:10:10< mordante> ok bye, and thanks for the testing
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20090503 22:10:26< crimson_penguin> no problem
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20090503 22:31:45< CIA-30> ivanovic * r35438 /trunk/po/wesnoth-tutorial/hu.po: updated Hungarian translation
20090503 22:31:47< CIA-30> ivanovic * r35439 /branches/1.6/po/wesnoth-tutorial/hu.po: updated Hungarian translation
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20090503 22:33:20< mordante> I'm off night
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20090503 22:50:35< Shadow_Master> mordante thanks for the exact error
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20090503 22:53:22 * Shadow_Master pokes Ivanovic 
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20090503 22:54:43< Shadow_Master> wesbot: seen Ivanovic 
20090503 22:54:43< wesbot> Shadow_Master: Queried user Ivanovic is currently here and on the channels #wesnoth and #wesnoth-de.
20090503 22:54:52< Shadow_Master> you used to tell me when was the last time they spoke
20090503 22:56:22< Shadow_Master> wesbot: seen Turuk
20090503 22:56:22< wesbot> Shadow_Master: The person with the nick Turuk last spoke 4d 7h ago.  3d 10h ago they left the channel #wesnoth-umc-dev:
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20090503 23:07:41< Ivanovic> Shadow_Master: pah, wesbot won't say much about me
20090503 23:07:50< Ivanovic> due to me dark release manager powers...
20090503 23:08:25< Shadow_Master> and your laziness. what happens with spambots?
20090503 23:08:33< Shadow_Master> when Turuk or I aren't around, you do nothing
20090503 23:09:37< Ivanovic> when i am not around for the evening, i can't do anything
20090503 23:09:57< Ivanovic> with other words: posts moved to the moderators forum to have them handled eventually
20090503 23:10:15< Shadow_Master> how's that? you haven't been for the morning either? the spambot post was moved there earlier than your morning
20090503 23:10:21< Shadow_Master> :/
20090503 23:10:44< Ivanovic> yeah, i don't see every single spam post moved there either, and?
20090503 23:12:00< loonycyborg> Shadow_Master: I don't remember seening much spambot posts.
20090503 23:12:36< loonycyborg> Perhaps they just don't post in technical support and compiling/installation often :P
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20090503 23:36:47< CIA-30> shadowmaster * r35440 /trunk/src/storyscreen/controller.cpp: Probable trivial fix for compilation on LOW_MEM. Mordante please test.
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