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20090506 00:17:20< CIA-30> ai0867 * r35455 /trunk/data/core/ (images/terrain/village/orc-tile.png terrain.cfg): Add editor tile for orcish village.
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20090506 01:05:31< Sapient> hi cjhopman
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20090506 01:16:15< DDR> Excuse me, but when using formulas in WML, how do I say 9^(0.5)? 3^2 works fine...
20090506 01:16:42< Elvish_Pillager> say 3 :P
20090506 01:16:55< DDR> 9^(0.5)=1, according to wesnoth.
20090506 01:17:14< DDR> Well, fine. How do I say x^.5?
20090506 01:17:20< Sapient> that's because there isn't support for fractional tokens
20090506 01:17:26< DDR> Ahhh.
20090506 01:17:27< Sapient> 0.5 does not parse
20090506 01:17:39< Sapient> which is a pretty bad limitation
20090506 01:17:51< DDR> What is the square symbol?
20090506 01:17:52< Elvish_Pillager> hang on
20090506 01:18:01< Elvish_Pillager> you can multiply by 0.5
20090506 01:18:18< DDR> No, that's if I multiplied by 2.
20090506 01:18:23< Sapient> not in FormulaAI language
20090506 01:18:26< Elvish_Pillager> oh
20090506 01:18:45< DDR> 5^5=25. 25/2 /= 5.
20090506 01:19:04< DDR> So... I cannot do it. :/
20090506 01:19:14< Sapient> DDR: try 9^(1/2)
20090506 01:19:24< DDR> I did.
20090506 01:19:34< DDR> 9^(1/2)=1
20090506 01:19:38< Elvish_Pillager> and there's no square root function?
20090506 01:20:42< Sapient> DDR, why out of curiosity do you need to use fractional exponents in Wesnoth?
20090506 01:20:42< DDR> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methods_of_computing_square_roots
20090506 01:21:00< DDR> I want the square root of something.
20090506 01:21:15< Sapient> right.... in Wesnoth, though
20090506 01:21:18< DDR> The square of n is = to n^.5
20090506 01:22:03< Sapient> is it some kind of Educational / Math scenario ?
20090506 01:22:37< Sapient> DDR: I'd submit a FR and assign to Dragonking
20090506 01:22:41< DDR> I was fiddling around with the formula WML to see what I could do. I had calculus 12 this morning, so...
20090506 01:23:09< Sapient> technically, you can do it with lua if you have a trunk checkout
20090506 01:23:35< Sapient> but I don't like to endorse that option since it's evil
20090506 01:23:45< DDR> I suppose I could, but... yeah, it's evil.
20090506 01:24:17< DDR> Though, come to think of it, I can use this to my advantage.
20090506 01:24:22< DDR> Thanks.
20090506 01:24:24< Sapient> better to submit an FR for FormulaAI to be extended... it's dumb for normal WML to have better support for floats
20090506 01:24:40< DDR> I will.
20090506 01:25:01< happygrue> calc 12?
20090506 01:25:07< happygrue> sounds hard...
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20090506 01:38:20< DDR> https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?13491 <- does this make sense?
20090506 01:38:38< DDR> Yah, it is. I really should have taken a different course.)
20090506 01:38:41< DDR> (
20090506 01:39:28< CIA-30> esr * r35456 /trunk/data/campaigns/Delfadors_Memoirs/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Retune DM in accordance with feedback from dfranke.
20090506 01:41:28< Sapient> ummm... DDR you left out the whole part about decimal points in tokens
20090506 01:42:17< DDR> I thought that was implied in the request for floating _point_ numbers, I'll fix it. :)
20090506 01:44:55< DDR> OK, appended a comment.
20090506 01:45:15< DDR> "Ah, forgot to mention: Formula WML should also support the . for decimal place."
20090506 01:45:29< Sapient> thanks, DDR
20090506 01:45:34< DDR> :)
20090506 01:46:30< Crab_> DDR: and, meanwhile, lua ( math.sqrt ) is the way to go :)
20090506 01:47:14< DDR> Thanks.
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20090506 02:02:14< DDR> (where NUM_IN = 5) value=$(({NUM_IN}*19)-289) ='-194', so shouldn't (where NUM_IN = -194) value=$(({NUM_IN}+289)\19) ='5', instead of the current ''? ... Wait, don't tell me, FormulaAI does not parse negative numbers, right?
20090506 02:03:29< Sapient> you could probably devise a simpler test for that
20090506 02:03:48< Sapient> FormulaAI is an area that hasn't been extensively tested
20090506 02:03:56< Sapient> so your feedback is valuable on that
20090506 02:04:03< DDR> Nope, not that.
20090506 02:05:29< DDR> Hm, thanks for letting me know it is not just me.
20090506 02:05:45< Sapient> it is just you
20090506 02:05:55< esr> Sapient: Do you have any idea who owns the code that does map shrouding?  [place_shroud] is not working.
20090506 02:06:26< Sapient> esr: not sure about that one...
20090506 02:06:51< Sapient> if I had to guess I'd say mordante could help, possibly alink
20090506 02:07:15< Sapient> I am mostly inactive at the moment
20090506 02:07:58< Crab_> esr: if you tell me 'how-to-reproduce' it, I can look at it now
20090506 02:08:58< esr> Crab_: Load HttT scenario 14 in trunk.  See bug #13382.
20090506 02:09:23< Crab_> ok
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20090506 02:18:55< DDR> I need new eyes. Does:
20090506 02:18:57< DDR> value=$({NUM_IN}+289) look the same as
20090506 02:18:59< DDR> value=$({NUM_IN}-289)?
20090506 02:19:28< Crab_> DDR: they are different.
20090506 02:19:39< DDR> Well, other than the +-, I guess.
20090506 02:20:10< DDR> I just noticed the +- diff... :/
20090506 02:20:37< DDR> The top, given 10, gives 10289.
20090506 02:20:51< DDR> The bottom then gives 10000.
20090506 02:21:11< Crab_> note the simularity between small L and big i.
20090506 02:21:27< Crab_> NUM_lN and NUM_IN are different.
20090506 02:21:31< Crab_> but look the same
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20090506 02:24:35< Crab_> DDR: try     $({NUM_IN}+(-289))
20090506 02:24:59< DDR> Worth a shot.
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20090506 02:27:12< DDR> Hm, it works! Thanks!
20090506 02:27:47< Crab_> DDR: can you add your test case to https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?13445   ?
20090506 02:28:30< Crab_> DDR: since it looks similar to that...
20090506 02:28:51< DDR> Hm, more a problem with the +, perhaps I should add a link to my bug?
20090506 02:29:22< Crab_> yes, do so
20090506 02:34:01< Crab_> esr: what part of the map should be shrouded ?
20090506 02:39:40< esr> Crab_: Er, I'm not sure - I didn't create the test case.  You'll have to look in the WML for a [place_shroud] tag.
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20090506 02:42:22< Crab_> esr: well, to make it work, shroud should be set to "yes", then [remove_shroud]  and [place_shroud] should be used to remove/place the shroud. those tags work *only* if shroud=yes.
20090506 02:42:47< DDR_> ( https://gna.org/bugs/?13492 )
20090506 02:44:29< esr> Crab_: Hm.  That's interesting.
20090506 02:44:44< Crab_> esr: so,  I can (for example), make any map part I like visible at start (and this works for me, just verified)
20090506 02:45:13< esr> Is there any fundamental reason shroud=yes is required, or is it just a historical accident?
20090506 02:46:00< Crab_> esr: shroud is a 'yes=this team uses shroud, no=this team doesn't use shroud and is not affected by it in any way'
20090506 02:46:23< Crab_> esr: that with shroud=yes the initial state of the map is 'shrouded' is just a side effect
20090506 02:46:49< esr> I see.
20090506 02:47:09< esr> I think this neeeds to be documented better, at least.
20090506 02:47:20< Crab_> well, it is in the wiki )
20090506 02:48:15< Crab_> "[remove_shroud]: removes some shroud from the map for a certain side (only relevant for sides that have shroud=yes). " - [place_shroud]: places some shroud on the map for a certain side (only relevant for sides that have shroud=yes). 
20090506 02:49:30< Crab_> but, from the point of view 'if someone has misunderstood it, then it should be documented better", yes, I agree. I'll add a note there.
20090506 02:49:31< esr> Hm.  I guess I'll mark that bug in valid, then.
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20090506 02:59:33< Crab_> esr: ok. I've added a note in a wiki about shroud. also, see http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/m3ff28198 for an example usage of remove_shroud/place_shroud which works.
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20090506 03:13:27< Crab_> DDR, in your case, it seems that int+int is masked by string+string (concatenation)..., so 10+289 becomes "10"+"289"="10289"
20090506 03:17:09< Sapient> wow... I'm pretty sure than addition of two integers used to work
20090506 03:18:55< Crab_> Sapient: it seems that DDR is not adding two integers *directly* - first of them is a variable
20090506 03:19:32< Sapient> {NUM_IN} is a macro substitution
20090506 03:19:46< Sapient> so it should not be a variable when it reaches the FormulaAI interpreter
20090506 03:20:34 * Sapient checks the formal bug report
20090506 03:21:18< Sapient> "The issue is not apparent when using only integers, not variables."  ?
20090506 03:21:33< Sapient> he doesn't really specify what kind of variables he means there
20090506 03:22:07< Sapient> macro substitutions and WML-level variables would already be processed before reaching FormulaAI interpreter
20090506 03:27:07< Crab_> Sapient: this can be reproduced with:  [label] x,y=8,5  text=$(3+4)  [/label]
20090506 03:27:13< Crab_> label will display 34
20090506 03:27:32< Crab_> and  [label] x,y=8,5 text=$(3-4)  [/label] will display -1
20090506 03:28:05< Sapient> yeah, I'm pretty sure that worked before
20090506 03:28:39< Crab_> ' that worked before' - [label] x,y=8,5  text=$(3+4)  [/label] would display 7 ?
20090506 03:29:12< Sapient> I recall testing it in the test scenario at one point
20090506 03:29:25< Sapient> using the right click menu on the silver mage
20090506 03:29:40< Crab_> well, formula language deals with those numbers just fine 
20090506 03:30:29< Sapient> ooooooh
20090506 03:30:41< Sapient> that's a preprocessor issue
20090506 03:31:06< Sapient> you need to enclose your value in quotes "$(3+4)"
20090506 03:31:59< Sapient> otherwise it thinks you mean "$(3" + "4)"
20090506 03:33:11< Crab_> yes, this works..
20090506 03:33:37< Sapient> however, I'm not sure I like that behavior. maybe it should be classed as a bug of the preprocessor or at least a questionable feature
20090506 03:34:55< Sapient> probably it was done that way to facilitate macros like {USER_SUPPLIED_PARAM} + "more text"
20090506 03:35:48< Crab_> so, preprocessor is not aware of the fact that it is inside $( ) ?
20090506 03:36:00< Sapient> not at all
20090506 03:36:13< Crab_> should it be aware ? or "" are enough ?
20090506 03:36:37< Sapient> I think the preprocessor should not try to guess what you are doing with parens
20090506 03:36:45< Sapient> it is supposed to take text of any form
20090506 03:36:50< Crab_> ok
20090506 03:36:58< Crab_> so, no bugs in  preprocessor..
20090506 03:36:58< Sapient> however.
20090506 03:37:00< Crab_> and another question - why $(3 is parsed successfully ?
20090506 03:37:22< Sapient> because the preprocessor does not do WML-level substitution
20090506 03:37:27< Crab_> or it gets "$(34)" ?
20090506 03:37:56< Sapient> the preprocessor turns it into "$(34)" when the .cfg is first read
20090506 03:38:17< Crab_> so, the better solution is to check for this 'unsafe' usage with wmllint ?
20090506 03:38:32< Sapient> that's a good suggestion I think
20090506 03:39:23< Sapient> wmllint already surrounds stuff like "T'Thor" in quotes 
20090506 03:39:35< Sapient> but that is only to pacify emacs
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20090506 03:42:51< Crab_> Sapient: yes, found that snippet
20090506 03:43:33< Crab_> ("quote-enclosing attribute value")
20090506 03:45:52< Sapient> vim, on the other hand, works great for editing .cfg files without requiring any extensions or pandering ;)
20090506 03:54:21< Crab_> :)
20090506 03:54:25< Crab_> night 
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20090506 03:55:35< Sapient> cya later, have fun.
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20090506 09:11:00< corn> dfranke: yeah, now I am
20090506 09:13:40< dfranke> corn: any new word on the stats site?  Sorry I've been neglecting you a bit lately.  Been alternately sick and busy with some cruft in meatspace.
20090506 09:17:26< corn> dfranke: completely understandable - I imported the big DB onto my site, right now I am working on a cronjob that will create a random subset every night. I'll have the stuff commited probably around the end of tomorrow or friday
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20090506 09:17:51< euschn> hi
20090506 09:17:53< corn> the past two weeks have also not been good to me, I had to go to the dentist 4 times because of a root canal
20090506 09:17:56< corn> hi
20090506 09:18:03< corn> but it's fixed now :)
20090506 09:18:08< dfranke> corn: fun fun.
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20090506 09:21:38< dfranke> corn: it was just a cold, but I went to the doctor because I had a sore throat for a long time and was worried it was strep... the first question the doctor asked me after I told him my symptoms was "have you been traveling near the Mexican border recently?"
20090506 09:22:58< corn> a lot of worry over the swine flu, most of it is unwarranted
20090506 09:23:28< dfranke> yeah, it's ridiculous.  The only people who should be paying any attention at all at this point are epidemiologists.
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20090506 09:26:29< corn> I actually saw a person walking around in a surgical mask the other day
20090506 09:28:32< dfranke> corn: I've seen at least a dozen here
20090506 09:30:16< corn> whatever, it's nothing even worth worrying about. another person's irrational fears over a disease won't affect you
20090506 09:31:29< corn> I am going to bed now, expect some commits in the next 2 days 
20090506 09:31:35< dfranke> nite
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20090506 09:39:30< Jetrel> Question for the assembled masses:  anyone know of a free-license  "olde english"/"blackletter" font we could use in wesnoth?  It doesn't need to support all languages.
20090506 09:41:52< Jetrel> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=25336&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a
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20090506 10:04:24< ettin_> Jetrel: isabella, junicode, shadowedblack ?
20090506 10:04:37< Jetrel> ettin_:  have a link?
20090506 10:05:28< ettin_> Jetrel: http://thibault.org/fonts/isabella/
20090506 10:05:39< ettin_> Jetrel: http://junicode.sourceforge.net/
20090506 10:05:47< ettin_> Jetrel: http://pkg-fonts.alioth.debian.org/review/fnt-370bf22b19f121ba1565144cac378310.html
20090506 10:10:10< Jetrel> ettin_:  thanks a bunch.
20090506 10:12:52< Jetrel> I'll probably want to go over this tomorrow (or "some other time") with mordante
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20090506 10:32:14< Jetrel> zookeeper:  hey
20090506 10:32:33< zookeeper> yo jet
20090506 10:32:58< Jetrel> zookeeper:  in case you care;  I'm nearly done with the overhaul of the orc grunt+ruler line - just waiting on me getting a bow animation done for the warlord.
20090506 10:33:16< Jetrel> I've been *very* busy with frogatto the last two days, though.
20090506 10:33:33< zookeeper> Jetrel, cool. i've been very very inactive lately too.
20090506 10:33:43< freim> hi Jetrel 
20090506 10:33:53< Jetrel> freim:  hello there.
20090506 10:34:12< zookeeper> i'm surprised how really good doofus managed to make his villages
20090506 10:34:25< freim> yeah, they turned out quite good
20090506 10:34:46< Jetrel> yeah.  we're talking about the orc villages, right?  if so, I think we're ready for a commit of the snow versions.
20090506 10:34:52< zookeeper> yep
20090506 10:35:27< Jetrel> I'd been hoping someone would do something to their effect (same with the castle) for a long time, and I'm glad someone stepped up and did pretty much exactly the design I was hoping for.
20090506 10:35:42< freim> nice to see some new artists on villages and terrain (since I'm so lazy these days ;)
20090506 10:35:52< Jetrel> heh
20090506 10:36:29< Jetrel> :(  I really need to redo my tweak to the pines.
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20090506 10:37:10< freim> the new forest is nice, but it do highlight that we now have quite a lot of difference in contrast in our terrain
20090506 10:37:31< Jetrel> Yeah - the pines need to have the noise and contrast pulled out of them.
20090506 10:38:01< Jetrel> I was trying to go for a fancy secondary-lighting look, and it was a really stupid idea because it doesn't fit with any of our other terrain.
20090506 10:38:09< zookeeper> i've been wondering whether perhaps we should split the forest tiles. i mean, instead of having a single tile for covering an entire hex, we could split it into 2-3 separate sectors. that would make it much easier to avoid all those overlap glitches, but of course it'd require the actual work to be done.
20090506 10:38:55< zookeeper> so if there was a castle in the south sector, we just wouldn't draw the south sector at all, instead of fiddling with those small tile variants and whatnot
20090506 10:39:09< Jetrel> well... that'd be tough.
20090506 10:39:12< Jetrel> hmm
20090506 10:39:24< Jetrel> It's definitely something to consider before doing them again.
20090506 10:39:34< freim> zookeeper: do the terrain engine/terrain WML support that without a lot of fiddling?
20090506 10:39:46< Jetrel> Also, it's definitely a worthy idea for "overlap variants", if we don't apply it to the main tiles.
20090506 10:39:48< zookeeper> freim, i don't think it'd be a lot of work for me to do
20090506 10:40:03< zookeeper> freim, it'd basically work a lot like transitions do
20090506 10:40:08< freim> ok
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20090506 10:40:21< freim> sounds like it might be worth a try then
20090506 10:40:27< Jetrel> I won't lie, though it's gonna be quite a while before I take a stab at these.  For obvious reasons I have little motivation to do it right now.
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20090506 10:41:22 * zookeeper puts writing a testcase for that on his ever-growing todo list
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20090506 10:43:32< Jetrel> also, an update on those pending edits to the elves:  http://www.wesnoth.org/jetrel/Wesnoth/elf-archer-comp.png
20090506 10:44:24< Jetrel> zookeeper is aware, but if freim is wondering, I'm cleaning up the elf sprites (knocking them down to being proper 23-ish unique colors pixel art), in preparation for a massive improvement to their animations.
20090506 10:45:55< Jetrel> Plus applying newer knowledge of shading and more interesting color theory, etc.
20090506 10:46:46< Jetrel> example:   http://www.wesnoth.org/jetrel/Wesnoth/Sprites/archer+female-melee-attack.gif
20090506 10:47:16 * Jetrel is aware he needs to shorten the sword a bit.
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20090506 13:43:03< CIA-30> baufo * r35457 /trunk/src/multiplayer.cpp: fix bug #13478 introduced in r34487
20090506 13:54:32< Ivanovic> hi
20090506 13:56:34< YogiHH> hi Ivanovic
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20090506 14:12:43< Badger> look for a sign
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20090506 14:25:49< Crab_> hi
20090506 14:27:31< YogiHH> hi Crab_
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20090506 15:02:42< CIA-30> ivanovic * r35458 /trunk/po/ (5 files in 4 dirs): updated Chinese (Simplified) and Russian translation
20090506 15:02:43< CIA-30> ivanovic * r35459 /branches/1.6/po/ (wesnoth/zh_CN.po wesnoth-anl/ru.po wesnoth-manpages/zh_CN.po): updated Chinese (Simplified) and Russian translation
20090506 15:19:42< CIA-30> ivanovic * r35460 /trunk/ (150 files in 5 dirs): 
20090506 15:19:42< CIA-30> pot-update
20090506 15:19:42< CIA-30> regenerated doc files
20090506 15:21:07< CIA-30> ivanovic * r35461 /branches/1.6/ (50 files in 2 dirs): 
20090506 15:21:07< CIA-30> pot-update (reference update only)
20090506 15:21:07< CIA-30> regenerated doc files
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20090506 16:53:32< fendrin> hi
20090506 16:55:42< YogiHH> hi fendrin
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20090506 20:06:54< Soliton> fendrin: do you plan to do something about the scenarios with missing early finish bonus?
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20090506 22:43:05< happygrue> ettin: I can't remember my password to my wiki account (Wintermute), and I apparently didn't provide an email when I signed up.  Is there a way to reset my password, or in some other way let me reclaim the account?
20090506 22:49:44< Shadow_Master> if he doesn't get around to it, I'll check it in a bit
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20090506 22:50:15< Shadow_Master> (though there should be a "I forgot my password" button somewhere...)
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20090506 22:51:01< Soliton> (which sends the password to your non-existant email address!)
20090506 22:52:16< Shadow_Master> didn't notice the email part! that's a clever  one
20090506 22:55:47< Shadow_Master> turns out that not even that is provided by media wiki
20090506 22:57:26< Shadow_Master> shame on Ivanovic for leaving the /mw/config directory there.
20090506 23:01:37< happygrue> I don't know why I didn't give an email adress, but it does complicate things ;)
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20090506 23:03:23< Jetrel> http://leogeo.com/28_timebeat.htm
20090506 23:04:23< Shadow_Master> the MW documentation recommends to never delete users
20090506 23:04:40< Shadow_Master> apparently its flaky design ... is flaky
20090506 23:05:04< loonycyborg> Shadow_Master: Does it allow you to change account's email address?
20090506 23:05:57< Shadow_Master> it seems I must access the database directly for that, which I definitively won't
20090506 23:14:39< happygrue> hmmm
20090506 23:15:48< happygrue> it is not a huge problem, so I would not put a lot of work into it, but if anyone can think of an easy way, that would be nice.  :)
20090506 23:15:57< loonycyborg> Then you'll have to trigger password reset and intercept the mail it sends somehow :P
20090506 23:16:11< loonycyborg> Might be doable from serverside..
20090506 23:17:59< happygrue> loonycyborg: it won't send any mail I think, since I didn't provide an email?
20090506 23:18:20< happygrue> OAB!  ;)
20090506 23:19:09 * happygrue wanders off for a bit
20090506 23:19:15< loonycyborg> Most likely it'll send mail to an empty mail address then :P
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20090506 23:36:38< Ivanovic> Shadow_Master: no shame on me, the wiki is all ettins work
20090506 23:36:48< Shadow_Master> shame on ettin then.
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20090506 23:46:39< esr> dfranke: ping?
20090506 23:47:08< dfranke> esr: pong
20090506 23:47:32< esr> dfranke: Did you get me email on your review notes?
20090506 23:47:49< dfranke> esr: yup
20090506 23:48:29< Ivanovic> esr: you won't forget en_GB in branches/1.6, right?
20090506 23:48:31< Ivanovic> http://www.wesnoth.org/gettext/index.lang.php?lang=en_GB&version=branch
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20090506 23:49:31< esr> Ivanovic: The truth is, I haven't a clue what I need to do to 1.6, givemn that the string databases are already different.
20090506 23:50:29< dfranke> esr: as for my level, hard to say.  I'm one of the better players on the MP servers, but I have to referent to compare to for single player, as the AI is a very different opponent than a human.
20090506 23:50:39< Ivanovic> esr: uhm, you use a checkout of branches/1.6 instead of trunk
20090506 23:50:41< Ivanovic> and work in there
20090506 23:50:51< Ivanovic> beside this it is just the same as working on turnk
20090506 23:51:06< dfranke> s/to referent/no referent/
20090506 23:51:21< esr> Ivanovic: Yes, but doing what?  The string databases have already become different;  I don't know what edits I need to make.
20090506 23:51:51< Ivanovic> esr: open the files shipped in branches/1.6 in an editor and do the same as you do on trunk...
20090506 23:52:12< Ivanovic> there is no (good) way to convert anything from trunk to 1.6
20090506 23:52:26< esr> "The same as I do on trunk" is not a well-defined concept after string changes.
20090506 23:52:56< Ivanovic> esr: what you do is: open the file in an editor (poedit, vim, emacs, whatever) and translate the untranslated strings
20090506 23:53:08< Ivanovic> fix the fuzzy strings and remove the fuzzy marker
20090506 23:53:22< Ivanovic> basically the same as you do when *translating* on trunk, too
20090506 23:54:00 * Ivanovic does not see how "the same as with trunk" when it comes to translations is this hard to get
20090506 23:54:04< Ivanovic> ;)
20090506 23:54:22< dfranke> esr: maybe "I'm able to beat TRoW on Normal, but just barely" is a useful metric.
20090506 23:54:59< esr> dfranke: Maybe it is.  
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