--- Log opened Sun May 17 00:00:23 2009
20090517 00:02:42-!- VladimirSlavik_ [n=chatzill@88.103.147.178] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 00:03:24-!- crimson_penguin [n=ben@wesnoth/developer/crimsonpenguin] has quit []
20090517 00:07:24-!- silene [n=plouf@wesnoth/developer/silene] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)]
20090517 00:08:47-!- Blueblaze [n=nick@c-98-199-143-139.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 00:19:42-!- VladimirSlavik [n=chatzill@wesnoth/translator/VladimirSlavik] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
20090517 00:20:18-!- VladimirSlavik_ [n=chatzill@88.103.147.178] has left #wesnoth-dev []
20090517 00:28:36< CIA-30> esr * r35672 /branches/1.6/data/campaigns/Eastern_Invasion/scenarios/13.Evacuation.cfg: Backpotrt fix foe Evacuation's shallow-water bug.
20090517 00:41:53-!- zookeeper [n=l@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit []
20090517 00:43:15-!- EdB [n=edb@79.88.117.241] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
20090517 00:44:04-!- Elvish_Pillager [n=eli@68-116-175-24.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 00:44:46-!- Elvish_Pillage2 [n=eli@68-116-175-24.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
20090517 00:45:17-!- cjhopman [n=chris@wesnoth/developer/cjhopman] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 00:46:51-!- stikonas [n=quassel@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
20090517 00:48:45-!- Blueblaze [n=nick@c-98-199-143-139.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
20090517 00:50:14-!- thespaceinvader [n=chatzill@wesnoth/artist/thespaceinvader] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042316]"]
20090517 00:51:28-!- voris [n=voris@c-24-16-107-149.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 00:59:16< CIA-30> esr * r35673 /trunk/data/campaigns/Northern_Rebirth/scenarios/11a_Eastern_Flank.cfg: Don't arbitrartily kill off gryphons, and fix a reversed move-unit-fake.
20090517 01:00:42< CIA-30> esr * r35674 /branches/1.6/data/campaigns/Northern_Rebirth/scenarios/11a_Eastern_Flank.cfg: Backport previous fix to 1.6 to keep them in sync.
20090517 01:14:10-!- noy [n=Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 01:14:26-!- ilor [n=user@wesnoth/developer/ilor] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 01:23:57-!- Blueblaze [n=nick@c-98-199-143-139.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 01:30:19-!- ilor_ [n=user@wesnoth/developer/ilor] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
20090517 01:35:44-!- busfahrer [n=busfahre@unixboard/user/busfahrer] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 01:37:25< CIA-30> soliton * r35675 /branches/1.6/src/server/game.cpp: the muted observer might have already left
20090517 01:37:40< CIA-30> soliton * r35676 /branches/1.6/src/server/game.cpp: added the IP of the victim to the log
20090517 01:38:14< CIA-30> soliton * r35677 /trunk/src/server/game.cpp: added the IP of the victim to the log
20090517 01:38:33< CIA-30> soliton * r35678 /trunk/src/server/ (game.cpp game.hpp server.cpp): implemented an unmute command for games
20090517 01:38:39< CIA-30> soliton * r35679 /trunk/src/server/ (game.cpp game.hpp server.cpp): implemented an unban command for games
20090517 01:38:44< CIA-30> soliton * r35680 /trunk/ (changelog players_changelog src/menu_events.cpp): * Fixed bug #7547: Add possibility to unban/unmute in a multiplayer game
20090517 01:42:30< esr> When I see this: 20090516 19:34:03 error engine: could not de-serialize unit: 'load_game_failed: Attempt to de-serialize a unit with no 'type' field (probably empty)'  how do I diagnose it?
20090517 01:43:21< Soliton> check if you unstore an empty variable somewhere.
20090517 01:46:08< Soliton> we could print the config i suppose but if it's really empty it's not going to help much.
20090517 01:46:42< CIA-30> esr * r35681 /trunk/data/campaigns/Northern_Rebirth/scenarios/13a_Showdown.cfg: Typo fixes and duplicate music track renoval.
20090517 01:47:20-!- voris [n=voris@c-24-16-107-149.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"]
20090517 01:49:17-!- Elvish_Pillager [n=eli@68-116-175-24.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit ["Hi! I'm a quit message virus vaccine. If you see a quit message virus, don't replace your quit message with it!"]
20090517 01:54:51-!- Polarina [n=polarina@wesnoth/translator/Polarina] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 01:55:42< CIA-30> esr * r35682 /trunk/data/campaigns/Northern_Rebirth/scenarios/13a_Showdown.cfg: Code simplification.
20090517 02:03:11-!- Chusslove [n=caslav@brsg-d9befc71.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
20090517 02:06:19-!- voris [n=voris@c-24-16-107-149.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 02:21:58-!- busfahrer [n=busfahre@unixboard/user/busfahrer] has quit ["leaving"]
20090517 02:34:29-!- loonycyborg [n=sergey@wesnoth/developer/loonycyborg] has quit ["Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"]
20090517 02:35:04-!- loonybot [n=loonybot@wesnoth/bot/loonybot] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
20090517 02:39:58-!- crimson_p [n=irchon@138.34.251.21] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 02:40:30-!- ancestral [n=ancestra@32.145.3.120] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 02:46:05-!- Dragonking [n=dk@wesnoth/developer/dragonking] has quit []
20090517 02:57:21-!- shikadibot [n=elynia@wesnoth/bot/shikadibot] has quit ["Lost terminal"]
20090517 02:58:19-!- elynia [n=elynia@wesnoth/bot/shikadibot] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 02:58:35-!- ShikadiLord [n=ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 02:58:46-!- shikadibot [n=elynia@wesnoth/bot/shikadibot] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 02:58:48-!- shadowmaster [n=ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 02:58:58-!- shadowmaster [n=ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has quit [Client Quit]
20090517 02:59:04-!- Shadow_Master [n=ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 03:02:04-!- elynia [n=elynia@wesnoth/bot/shikadibot] has quit [Nick collision from services.]
20090517 03:02:09-!- elynia [n=elynia@wesnoth/bot/shikadibot] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 03:02:17-!- elynia [n=elynia@wesnoth/bot/shikadibot] has quit [Client Quit]
20090517 03:02:31-!- crimson_p [n=irchon@138.34.251.21] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
20090517 03:02:53-!- ShikadiLord [n=ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has quit [Nick collision from services.]
20090517 03:03:42-!- ancestral [n=ancestra@32.145.3.120] has quit ["Get Colloquy for iPhone! http://mobile.colloquy.info/"]
20090517 03:05:39< Shadow_Master> is 1.7.x a possible target for translators already?
20090517 03:07:35< Soliton> i don't think we're in the habit of turning translations down.
20090517 03:08:15-!- Sapient [n=sapien-x@wesnoth/developer/sapient] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 03:08:29< Shadow_Master> hah, indeed. Now I wish someone could replace me in the maintenance
20090517 03:09:03< Shadow_Master> I guess I don't lose anything with trying to fool a fellow translator into being maintainer though
20090517 03:09:41< Sapient> cjhopman, Ivanovic: please note that I will have no internet access for a week starting tomorrow (vacation)
20090517 03:10:22-!- Shadow_Master [n=ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has left #wesnoth-dev ["bye Wesnoth"]
20090517 03:10:26< Polarina> Shadow_Master: Just keep translating. :)
20090517 03:11:09< CIA-30> soliton * r35683 /trunk/data/core/help.cfg: added unban and unmute commands to the in-game help and fixed syntax and description of some commands
20090517 03:12:00< Soliton> ilor: would be cool if the mp_commands help topic was autogenerated from the :commands and their help text.
20090517 03:17:10-!- Sirp [n=me@wesnoth/developer/dave] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 03:19:35< CIA-30> esr * r35684 /trunk/data/campaigns/Northern_Rebirth/scenarios/ (12a_Get_the_Gold.cfg 13a_Showdown.cfg): Fix bug #13505: NR: Recovered gold was not distributed on the last scenario.
20090517 03:19:47< Sapient> cya later, have fun.
20090517 03:19:47-!- Sapient [n=sapien-x@wesnoth/developer/sapient] has left #wesnoth-dev []
20090517 03:21:27< CIA-30> esr * r35685 /branches/1.6/data/campaigns/Northern_Rebirth/scenarios/ (12a_Get_the_Gold.cfg 13a_Showdown.cfg): Backport fix for bug #13505: NR: Recovered gold was not distributed on the last scenario.
20090517 03:27:14-!- Blueblaze [n=nick@c-98-199-143-139.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
20090517 03:37:36-!- crimson_p [n=irchon@138.34.251.21] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 03:43:35-!- ShikadiLord [n=ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 03:43:52-!- [Relic] [n=[Relic]@adsl-76-230-212-46.dsl.milwwi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 03:44:17-!- ShikadiLord [n=ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has quit [Client Quit]
20090517 03:44:50< [Relic]> Hello :)
20090517 03:45:01< Crab_> hi [Relic]
20090517 03:45:06< [Relic]> :)
20090517 03:49:46-!- cjhopman [n=chris@wesnoth/developer/cjhopman] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
20090517 03:59:00-!- crimson_p [n=irchon@138.34.251.21] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
20090517 03:59:15-!- Crab_ [n=Crab_@wesnoth/developer/crab] has quit ["Leaving."]
20090517 03:59:27-!- cjhopman [n=chris@wesnoth/developer/cjhopman] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 04:06:00-!- Ivanovic_ [n=ivanovic@dtmd-4db2c17d.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 04:11:06-!- noy_ [n=Noy@d75-157-39-176.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 04:13:06-!- noy [n=Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
20090517 04:13:58-!- ilor_ [n=user@wesnoth/developer/ilor] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 04:21:18-!- Ivanovic [n=ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
20090517 04:21:58-!- Ivanovic_ is now known as Ivanovic
20090517 04:24:00-!- cjhopman [n=chris@wesnoth/developer/cjhopman] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
20090517 04:31:39-!- PK [n=pk@r74-192-44-206.vctrcmta01.vctatx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 04:32:41-!- ilor [n=user@wesnoth/developer/ilor] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
20090517 04:44:17-!- voris [n=voris@c-24-16-107-149.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
20090517 05:01:45-!- Espreon [n=espreon@wesnoth/developer/espreon] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 05:01:46-!- Blueblaze [n=nick@c-98-199-143-139.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 05:08:08-!- noy_ [n=Noy@d75-157-39-176.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Success]
20090517 05:14:02-!- ilor [n=user@wesnoth/developer/ilor] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 05:18:15-!- crimson_penguin [n=ben@64.201.60.216] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 05:18:25-!- ancestral [n=ancestra@32.145.7.207] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 05:19:19-!- ancestral [n=ancestra@32.145.7.207] has quit [Client Quit]
20090517 05:20:07-!- ancestral [n=ancestra@32.145.7.207] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 05:32:08-!- ilor_ [n=user@wesnoth/developer/ilor] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
20090517 05:52:33-!- PK [n=pk@r74-192-44-206.vctrcmta01.vctatx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has quit ["Java user signed off"]
20090517 06:08:24< CIA-30> esr * r35686 /trunk/data/tools/wmlmove: Remove unused dependency.
20090517 06:08:29-!- ancestral [n=ancestra@32.145.7.207] has quit ["Get Colloquy for iPhone! http://mobile.colloquy.info/"]
20090517 06:09:13-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 1.7.0 scheduled for Sunday | 60 bugs, 240 feature requests, 9 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org/ | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20090517 06:12:12-!- ancestral [n=ancestra@c-75-72-227-129.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 06:12:28-!- ancestral [n=ancestra@c-75-72-227-129.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
20090517 06:32:26< CIA-30> esr * r35687 /trunk/data/tools/wmlmove: Simplify wmlmove usage a bit.
20090517 06:46:04-!- crimson_penguin [n=ben@wesnoth/developer/crimsonpenguin] has quit []
20090517 07:01:25< CIA-30> esr * r35688 /trunk/data/ (59 files in 5 dirs): 
20090517 07:01:25< CIA-30> Mainlining UtBS Dwarven Explorer line so Dwarvish sides in THoT and elsewhere
20090517 07:01:25< CIA-30> can have a bit more unit variety.
20090517 07:07:23-!- [Relic] [n=[Relic]@adsl-76-230-212-46.dsl.milwwi.sbcglobal.net] has quit ["Leaving"]
20090517 07:09:16-!- Espreon [n=espreon@wesnoth/developer/espreon] has quit ["Tengo que ir... Yeahzorz..."]
20090517 07:14:13-!- ilor_ [n=user@wesnoth/developer/ilor] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 07:20:36-!- ancestral [n=ancestra@97-116-120-23.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 07:20:58< CIA-30> esr * r35689 /trunk/ (13 files in 3 dirs): Teach THoT to use the Swarvish Scout line, and fix a typo.
20090517 07:31:24-!- ilor [n=user@wesnoth/developer/ilor] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
20090517 07:36:15-!- silene [n=plouf@wesnoth/developer/silene] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 07:55:37-!- Sirp [n=me@wesnoth/developer/dave] has quit ["leaving"]
20090517 08:02:31-!- esr [n=chatzill@static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
20090517 08:08:16-!- ancestral [n=ancestra@97-116-120-23.mpls.qwest.net] has quit ["And that’s the end of THAT chapter."]
20090517 08:10:54-!- maxy [n=maxy@80-219-0-199.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 08:15:40-!- esr [n=chatzill@static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 08:25:57-!- Blueblaze [n=nick@c-98-199-143-139.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
20090517 08:51:14-!- Jetrel [n=Jetrel@wesnoth/artist/jetrel] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 08:52:34< Jetrel> Ivanovic:  when you have time to respond, I'm looking to switch the orcish ruler-line over to using crossbows instead of bows.  I've already made the animations and all, I'm just wondering what the translations implications are for 1.6.x.  I assume I'm clear to commit to trunk.
20090517 08:58:35-!- Blueblaze [n=nick@c-98-199-143-139.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 09:17:53< CIA-30> cornmander * r35690 /website/stats.wesnoth.org/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Added basic timing instrumentation, updated TODO, added new smaller sample size (10k row table)
20090517 09:19:40-!- cjhopman [n=chris@wesnoth/developer/cjhopman] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 09:28:58-!- EdB [n=edb@28.12.95-79.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 09:53:14-!- EdB [n=edb@28.12.95-79.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
20090517 09:56:04-!- loonybot [n=loonybot@79.139.246.175] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 09:57:06-!- loonycyborg [n=sergey@79.139.246.175] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 09:58:11-!- silene1 [n=plouf@ASte-Genev-Bois-152-1-37-118.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 09:58:51-!- silene [n=plouf@wesnoth/developer/silene] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
20090517 10:00:09-!- zookeeper [n=l@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 10:00:32< zookeeper> Jetrel, the crossbow change is a no-no for 1.6, i'm pretty sure
20090517 10:00:44< Jetrel> zookeeper:  I see
20090517 10:00:45< zookeeper> even if you don't change the actual stats
20090517 10:01:15< Jetrel> zookeeper:  what if I change the graphics, and none of the text?
20090517 10:01:19< zookeeper> since it can OOS-break for example some UMC where you can upgrade a bow/crossbow or something similar
20090517 10:01:27-!- mordante [n=mordante@roadie.xs4all.nl] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 10:01:43< mordante> servus
20090517 10:01:44< zookeeper> well, that's fine from a technical perspective?
20090517 10:01:59< Jetrel> zookeeper:  dope.  I like it.
20090517 10:02:05-!- mjs-de [n=mjs-de@vpw.wh.uni-dortmund.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 10:02:42< Jetrel> The ultimate metric is - as much as we're not overfond of mismatch dissonance in name and graphics, it's a FAR, far lesser issue than bad animations.
20090517 10:03:48< Jetrel> Unfortunately, I'm not committing this stuff tonight as I'd hoped; I prepped it for commit, though, and finished all the wml, so it should be a trivial act tomorrow.
20090517 10:03:58< mordante> zookeeper, esr afaik the pango markup doesn't work on story yet, unless Shadow_Master finished it
20090517 10:04:17< Jetrel> mordante:  I've been wondering.  What is this pango thing?
20090517 10:04:59< mordante> Jetrel, a more html like markup for messages in wesnoth
20090517 10:05:41< Jetrel> mordante:  so essentially, outsourcing our text markup to a new dependency?  :)
20090517 10:06:15 * Jetrel doesn't really care, because he doesn't compile wesnoth himself.
20090517 10:06:49< mordante> we already depend on pango for rendering so we get the markup feature for free
20090517 10:07:21< mordante> we want to get rid of SDL_TTF since it doesn't render Arabic properly 
20090517 10:07:25< Jetrel> by rendering, we mean pango is responsible for our text rendering?
20090517 10:07:32< mordante> yes
20090517 10:07:46< Jetrel> I see.
20090517 10:08:06< zookeeper> mordante, ok
20090517 10:08:33< zookeeper> and yeah, it means that we can use some proper text formatting markup for example in dialogue text
20090517 10:10:40-!- silene1 is now known as silene
20090517 10:10:44-!- busfahrer [n=busfahre@unixboard/user/busfahrer] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 10:21:08-!- cjhopman_ [n=chris@wesnoth/developer/cjhopman] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 10:30:45-!- stikonas [n=quassel@ctv-213-164-125-83.vinita.lt] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 10:32:29< Ivanovic> moin
20090517 10:32:56-!- Chusslove [n=caslav@brsg-d9beffb7.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 10:34:18-!- cjhopman [n=chris@wesnoth/developer/cjhopman] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
20090517 10:35:24-!- Blueblaze [n=nick@c-98-199-143-139.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
20090517 10:41:02-!- noy [n=Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 10:41:48-!- boucman [n=rosen@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
20090517 10:41:59< mordante> hi Ivanovic 
20090517 10:42:45-!- nital [n=nital@mion.elka.pw.edu.pl] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 10:53:01-!- busfahrer [n=busfahre@unixboard/user/busfahrer] has quit ["leaving"]
20090517 10:53:59< Ivanovic> so how do things look regarding the release of 1.7.0 today?
20090517 10:54:08< Ivanovic> anything broken (badly) at the moment?
20090517 10:54:13< Ivanovic> anything blocking?
20090517 10:54:35< Ivanovic> (today means i want to tag in about 7 hours)
20090517 10:56:43-!- nital is now known as podpompowany_prz
20090517 10:56:51-!- podpompowany_prz is now known as nital
20090517 10:58:19< Ivanovic> AI0867, Chusslove, cjhopman_, corn, dfranke, esr, grzywacz, ilor_, Jetrel, loonycyborg, maxy, mordante, noy, Rhonda, Polarina, silene, Soliton, stikonas, Tigge, zookeeper, everyone else who cares: please make sure that the stuff you commit today to trunk does work and fix problems you already know about so that i can really get 1.7.0 out today
20090517 10:59:56< mordante> Ivanovic, I've some new stuff but that's safe since it's not really used yet
20090517 11:00:23< mordante> and only want to test one more thing and then my 1.7.0 queue is empty
20090517 11:00:53< Ivanovic> mordante: great
20090517 11:00:59-!- cjhopman_ [n=chris@wesnoth/developer/cjhopman] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)]
20090517 11:05:23< zookeeper> esr, i hope you've got someone who's promised to take care of the pathfinder line sprites?
20090517 11:05:23< CIA-30> mordante * r35691 /trunk/src/gui/dialogs/message.cpp: Enable the button_caption in show_message.
20090517 11:05:30< zookeeper> (sooner or later, that is)
20090517 11:05:44< CIA-30> mordante * r35692 /trunk/src/ (game.cpp gui/dialogs/message.cpp gui/dialogs/message.hpp): 
20090517 11:05:44< CIA-30> Add a new show_message helper function.
20090517 11:05:44< CIA-30> This function isn't used yet and might more tweaking later on.
20090517 11:05:47< CIA-30> mordante * r35693 /trunk/src/gui/dialogs/message.hpp: Remove a todo which has been done.
20090517 11:07:15< zookeeper> also they have worse movement on frozen than other dwarves, what's up with that?
20090517 11:07:32< CIA-30> mordante * r35694 /trunk/changelog: There exists something called a changelog...
20090517 11:07:34< zookeeper> ("#keep dwarves from racing across lava" sounds like an UtBS-specific hack..)
20090517 11:09:15< zookeeper> also you might want to change the ranged attack name to hatchet for extra clarity
20090517 11:28:40-!- busfahrer [n=busfahre@unixboard/user/busfahrer] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 11:28:43-!- giusef [n=giusef@unaffiliated/giusef] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 11:44:10< CIA-30> zookeeper * r35695 /trunk/ (changelog players_changelog): Updated changelogs. Some unnecessary trailing whitespace removal.
20090517 11:52:12< CIA-30> zookeeper * r35696 /trunk/data/campaigns/Sceptre_of_Fire/scenarios/8_The_Dragon.cfg: Added an extra string to clarify things when Krawg finds the forge.
20090517 11:55:34-!- ilor [n=user@wesnoth/developer/ilor] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 11:59:19< CIA-30> zookeeper * r35697 /trunk/data/campaigns/Son_Of_The_Black_Eye/scenarios/18_Northern_Alliance.cfg: Flipped the facing of Lanbec'h's right-side guards as in the previous scenario.
20090517 12:00:53< CIA-30> zookeeper * r35698 /trunk/data/campaigns/The_South_Guard/scenarios/01_Born_To_The_Banner.cfg: TC'd Aleron's unit image shown in the extra hint message.
20090517 12:03:28-!- Elvish_Pillager [n=eli@68-116-175-24.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 12:03:57< CIA-30> zookeeper * r35699 /branches/1.6/data/campaigns/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Ported r35697 and r35698 to 1.6.
20090517 12:12:51-!- ilor_ [n=user@wesnoth/developer/ilor] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
20090517 12:17:24-!- Elvish_Pillage2 [n=eli@68-116-175-24.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 12:25:31< zookeeper> boucman, movement of units with movement anims/frames is still somewhat choppy in r35626. an extra short stop/twitch at the center of each hex that the unit passes through.
20090517 12:26:34< zookeeper> seems to only affect units with a single movement frame, like the horse units, doesn't seem to happen on gryphons
20090517 12:33:47-!- Elvish_Pillager [n=eli@68-116-175-24.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
20090517 12:34:03< zookeeper> anyways, i probably won't be back until after the tagging, have fun.
20090517 12:35:49-!- zookeeper [n=l@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit []
20090517 12:40:00-!- Crab_ [n=Crab_@wesnoth/developer/crab] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 12:40:05< Crab_> hi
20090517 12:40:06-!- Crab_ [n=Crab_@wesnoth/developer/crab] has left #wesnoth-dev []
20090517 12:40:24-!- Crab_ [n=Crab_@wesnoth/developer/crab] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 12:40:26< Soliton> wb
20090517 12:44:14< CIA-30> mordante * r35700 /trunk/src/ (pathfind.cpp pathfind.hpp): Initialize all member (also added constructors).
20090517 12:44:25< CIA-30> mordante * r35701 /trunk/src/gui/dialogs/wml_message.hpp: Initialize all members.
20090517 12:45:26-!- elias [n=allefant@allegro/developer/allefant] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 12:46:32< mordante> hi Crab_ 
20090517 12:46:45< mordante> Ivanovic, my 1.7.0 queue is empty
20090517 12:47:07< Ivanovic> mordante: great
20090517 12:47:15< Ivanovic> Crab_: how does your 1.7.0 cue look?
20090517 12:47:33< Ivanovic> s/cue/queue
20090517 12:47:59-!- noy [n=Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit []
20090517 12:48:31< Crab_> Ivanovic: I will commit that part of my work which is "stable", in a few hours. buildsystem config will need testing (I've added a lot of files)
20090517 12:48:47< Ivanovic> okay
20090517 12:49:48< Ivanovic> that is i will at least build myself using cmake and autotools while testing the tarball
20090517 12:50:29< Crab_> and I build with scons :) so there's MSVC question  :)
20090517 12:50:51< Ivanovic> no real problem for the release
20090517 12:50:56< Crab_> ok
20090517 12:51:10< Ivanovic> since no "official binary" is built using msvc
20090517 12:51:55< mordante> Crab_, you can ask ilor to test MSVC after you committed the files
20090517 12:53:27< Crab_> ok
20090517 13:08:18-!- EdB [n=edb@28.12.95-79.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 13:17:37< Polarina> When is 1.7.0?
20090517 13:18:17< Soliton> when the topic says so.
20090517 13:18:25< Polarina> Ok. :)
20090517 13:18:30< stikonas> today evening
20090517 13:20:24-!- busfahrer [n=busfahre@unixboard/user/busfahrer] has quit ["leaving"]
20090517 13:22:24< Polarina> When releasing 1.7.0, will it be announced "soon" like the stable releases?
20090517 13:22:42-!- loonybot [n=loonybot@wesnoth/bot/loonybot] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
20090517 13:25:18-!- euschn [n=chatzill@wesnoth/developer/euschn] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 13:25:26< euschn> hi
20090517 13:26:17-!- loonybot [n=loonybot@79.139.246.175] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 13:27:22< loonycyborg> loonybot: { auto x = std::string("x"); cout << x; }
20090517 13:27:23< loonybot> x
20090517 13:30:22< stikonas> Polarina: yes, most likely tommorow
20090517 13:30:48< Polarina> Aww... :(
20090517 13:32:23-!- giusef [n=giusef@unaffiliated/giusef] has quit ["exit (-1);"]
20090517 13:40:00< mordante> I'm off now, bye
20090517 13:41:44-!- mordante [n=mordante@wesnoth/developer/mordante] has quit ["Leaving"]
20090517 13:55:27-!- euschn [n=chatzill@wesnoth/developer/euschn] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
20090517 13:56:39-!- loonybot [n=loonybot@wesnoth/bot/loonybot] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
20090517 13:56:51-!- loonybot [n=loonybot@79.139.246.175] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 14:01:24-!- euschn [n=chatzill@85-127-118-153.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 14:02:01-!- EdB [n=edb@28.12.95-79.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
20090517 14:05:23-!- euschn [n=chatzill@wesnoth/developer/euschn] has quit [Client Quit]
20090517 14:10:13-!- euschn [n=chatzill@wesnoth/developer/euschn] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 14:31:19< Ivanovic> esr: wow, this evening you/we can go on a real bug/fr/patch closing spree
20090517 14:32:26< Ivanovic> atm 86 bugs/features are marked "fixed", plus 27 patches that are either done or won't do
20090517 14:35:36< CIA-30> ivanovic * r35702 /trunk/po/ (9 files in 7 dirs): updated Icelandic and Italian translation
20090517 14:35:39< CIA-30> ivanovic * r35703 /branches/1.6/ (10 files in 7 dirs): updated Icelandic and Italian translation
20090517 15:00:32-!- giusef [n=giusef@unaffiliated/giusef] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 15:12:19-!- busfahrer [n=busfahre@unixboard/user/busfahrer] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 15:16:22< CIA-30> soliton * r35704 /trunk/src/server/forum_user_handler.cpp: commented unused parameters out
20090517 15:17:46-!- alink [n=alink@wesnoth/developer/alink] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 15:27:28-!- ilor_ [n=user@wesnoth/developer/ilor] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 15:34:17-!- ilor [n=user@wesnoth/developer/ilor] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)]
20090517 16:06:05-!- stikonas_ [n=quassel@ctv-213-164-125-83.vinita.lt] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 16:06:41-!- stikonas_ [n=quassel@ctv-213-164-125-83.vinita.lt] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
20090517 16:13:25-!- stikonas [n=quassel@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)]
20090517 16:15:54-!- crimson_penguin [n=ben@64.201.60.216] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 16:18:20-!- stikonas [n=and@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 16:20:05< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: soo... should I duplicated my svn checkout, and move one of them to braches/1.7?
20090517 16:20:59< crimson_penguin> s/move/switch/
20090517 16:21:29< Polarina> crimson_penguin: You don't branch a development version.
20090517 16:21:32< Crab_> crimson_penguin: afaik, there's no branches/1.1, branches/1.3, branches/1.5, branches/1.7, ...
20090517 16:21:36-!- cjhopman_ [n=chris@wesnoth/developer/cjhopman] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 16:22:26< stikonas> but there is tags/1.7.0 which is a brach in principle
20090517 16:22:41< Soliton> s/is/will be/
20090517 16:27:47-!- ilor [n=user@wesnoth/developer/ilor] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 16:32:04< crimson_penguin> ok, well switch to trunk then? and then to the tag when it's tagged?
20090517 16:32:29-!- stikonas [n=and@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
20090517 16:34:40-!- stikonas [n=and@ctv-213-164-125-83.vinita.lt] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 16:35:39< loonycyborg> crimson_penguin: There are tags for development releases too.
20090517 16:35:49< crimson_penguin> I know
20090517 16:35:59< Polarina> crimson_penguin: According to Ivanovic, he wants to tag it at approximately 17:00 UTC.
20090517 16:36:17< Polarina> s/17/16/
20090517 16:36:18< loonycyborg> crimson_penguin: Then why switch to trunk first?
20090517 16:36:33< Crab_> crimson_penguin: just follow trunk if you want to commit to it, or switch to tags/1.7.0 if you want to package it as a release.
20090517 16:36:38< crimson_penguin> loonycyborg: Because it'll be closer, and then it won't take me longer to get to the tag once it's out
20090517 16:36:50< crimson_penguin> long*
20090517 16:36:56< loonycyborg> Ah. Understood.
20090517 16:37:17-!- stikonas [n=and@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
20090517 16:37:38< crimson_penguin> Basically, I wanna have one folder for 1.7, and one for 1.6, since they will diverge more and more
20090517 16:39:21-!- Sirp [n=me@wesnoth/developer/dave] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 16:41:25< crimson_penguin> ugh, should'a used cp to copy - the Finder sucks :-/
20090517 16:42:44-!- stikonas [n=and@ctv-213-164-125-83.vinita.lt] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 16:45:53-!- ilor_ [n=user@wesnoth/developer/ilor] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
20090517 16:55:05< crimson_penguin> this is really odd, I'm playing Wesnoth, and it's using a lot more CPU than usual, and having a lot of graphics problems
20090517 16:55:26< crimson_penguin> mainly the trails from text areas
20090517 16:57:44-!- stikonas [n=and@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
20090517 16:59:22-!- stikonas [n=and@ctv-213-164-125-83.vinita.lt] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 16:59:54< crimson_penguin> it's stuttering too
20090517 17:02:45< Polarina> crimson_penguin: Software gets slower as hardware gets faster. That's how things are going to be, unfortunately.
20090517 17:03:02< crimson_penguin> no, but this is very unusual, normally it's much better
20090517 17:08:43-!- stikonas [n=and@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
20090517 17:09:39-!- stikonas [n=and@ctv-213-164-125-83.vinita.lt] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 17:13:16-!- stikonas [n=and@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
20090517 17:13:38-!- cjhopman_ [n=chris@wesnoth/developer/cjhopman] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
20090517 17:13:59< Crab_> Ivanovic: ok, it looks like I won't be able to finish my stuff till 17.00 gmt, so I'll commit it after 1.7.0 is out (there's no reason to hurry)
20090517 17:14:11-!- stikonas [n=and@ctv-213-164-125-83.vinita.lt] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 17:17:04< Soliton> crimson_penguin: standard game, default era, etc?
20090517 17:17:13< crimson_penguin> Soliton: yeah, all normal
20090517 17:17:51< crimson_penguin> the one difference I can think of, is that I launched the game normally instead of from within XCode... but that SHOULDN'T have any effect on the game, especially not a graphical effect
20090517 17:18:09< crimson_penguin> if anything, I'd expect it to make it go faster
20090517 17:18:12< Sirp> crimson_penguin: well if you quit and restart is it still just as bad?
20090517 17:18:28< crimson_penguin> I'll try soon
20090517 17:21:18< crimson_penguin> http://www.happyspork.com/pics/lines.jpg - it was doing that all the time with the text boxes, and with damage numbers and such; basically all text
20090517 17:21:37< crimson_penguin> I've seen that before, but only on the title screen
20090517 17:21:56< crimson_penguin> and it was using ~40-50% of the CPU normally (of one core)
20090517 17:25:16< crimson_penguin> yeah, started from XCode, it's only using ~8-9% when not doing anything, ~30% when scrolling around; and none of those graphics glitches...
20090517 17:27:31< crimson_penguin> pancake time, I'll try to test more later to see what's going on
20090517 17:34:58< Ivanovic> re
20090517 17:36:35-!- stikonas [n=and@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
20090517 17:36:38< CIA-30> ivanovic * r35705 /trunk/po/ (9 files in 9 dirs): updated Lithuanian translation
20090517 17:36:41< CIA-30> ivanovic * r35706 /branches/1.6/ (11 files in 10 dirs): updated Lithuanian translation
20090517 17:37:44-!- stikonas [n=and@ctv-213-164-125-83.vinita.lt] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 17:38:31< Ivanovic> AI0867, alink, Chusslove, corn, Crab_, crimson_penguin, dfranke, elias, esr, ettin, euschn, grzywacz, ilor, Jetrel, loonycyborg, maxy, Polarina, Rhonda, silene, Sirp, Smar, Soliton, stikonas, Tigge, everybody else: ready for 1.7.0?
20090517 17:39:43< Soliton> affirmative.
20090517 17:39:46< silene> yes
20090517 17:39:47< CIA-30> ivanovic * r35707 /trunk/po/wesnoth/POTFILES.in: remove newline that just causes sanity_check to print an extra line without any content...
20090517 17:40:39< Ivanovic> running the (hopefully final) pot-update preparing for 1.7.0...
20090517 17:42:13< alink> Ivanovic: yes
20090517 17:43:33< esr> Ivanovic: Ready.
20090517 17:46:32< Polarina> Ivanovic: I am ready.
20090517 17:47:14< stikonas> Ivanovic: yes
20090517 17:47:24< Tigge> Ivanovic: ah, 1.7.0 already?
20090517 17:47:51< alink> Ivanovic: do i have time to simplify a changelog entry ?
20090517 17:47:54< Ivanovic> jupp
20090517 17:47:58< Ivanovic> alink: sure
20090517 17:48:26< Ivanovic> though wait a min, currently uploading a pot-update and then the version bump (touching the changelog(s))
20090517 17:48:55< alink> ok, i wait CIA
20090517 17:49:23< CIA-30> ivanovic * r35708 /trunk/po/ (441 files in 9 dirs): pot-update (preparing for 1.7.0)
20090517 17:49:45< Ivanovic> alink: okay, go on
20090517 17:49:48< CIA-30> ivanovic * r35709 /trunk/ (changelog configure.ac players_changelog src/wesconfig.h): version bump to 1.7.0
20090517 17:49:55< Ivanovic> (svn up first of course)
20090517 17:50:00< stikonas> I converted wiki/TextdomainStatus to 1.8
20090517 17:50:08< Ivanovic> stikonas: great
20090517 17:51:14< CIA-30> alink * r35710 /trunk/changelog: remove wml documentation from the new [hide_help] changelog entry
20090517 17:51:34< alink> (better put that in wiki)
20090517 17:52:12< alink> Ivanovic: done btw (obviously)
20090517 17:55:32-!- Ivanovic changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: releasing 1.7.0, using r35710 | 60 bugs, 240 feature requests, 9 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org/ | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20090517 17:56:33< Crab_> Ivanovic: good svn release number for 1.7.0 - it ends in 0.7.1 :)
20090517 17:56:57< Smar> sounds like buggy.
20090517 17:58:39< alink> quick, make 990 commits :-)
20090517 17:59:03< alink> (to have r36700)
20090517 18:03:46 * Badger thinks up 900 new features and assigns them to alink 
20090517 18:03:57-!- ilor_ [n=user@wesnoth/developer/ilor] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 18:04:20-!- Alesis-Novik [n=alesis@78.60.188.59] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
20090517 18:07:21< alink> Badger: if they are good then thanks for all these good ideas, if not then I will mark invalid probably faster than you wrote them ;)
20090517 18:07:56< Badger> Shall we race? :)
20090517 18:08:32-!- EdB [n=edb@28.12.95-79.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 18:09:14-!- Alesis-Novik [n=alesis@78.60.188.59] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 18:09:26< alink> wait let me write a script doing that 
20090517 18:09:48< Badger> that's cheating!
20090517 18:09:59< alink> and don't forget to tell gna that you are not a spam-bot
20090517 18:10:11< Ivanovic> LOVELY
20090517 18:10:13< Ivanovic> svn is broken
20090517 18:10:42< Ivanovic> anyone tried clicking on "campaigns" lately?
20090517 18:11:19< alink> ah you mean trunk is broken, not svn gna
20090517 18:11:25< Ivanovic> jupp, trunk is broken
20090517 18:11:32< stikonas> Ivanovic: probably no, dialog is really weird
20090517 18:11:40< esr> Ivanovic: When svn is unbroken, we'll close 118 tracker items.  I think that's a record.
20090517 18:12:13 * stikonas summons mordante
20090517 18:12:19< alink> lol indeed, campaign button is broken
20090517 18:12:49< loonycyborg> Ivanovic: You mean 'Campaign' button in the main menu? Seems to work for me..
20090517 18:13:01< esr> Checking...
20090517 18:13:21-!- Elvish_Pillager [n=eli@68-116-175-24.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 18:13:24< alink> loonycyborg: i have just 'message yes/ no ' here
20090517 18:13:31< Ivanovic> same here
20090517 18:13:53< alink> (yes and no do nothing)
20090517 18:14:25< Soliton> must be very recent.
20090517 18:14:31< alink> all other buttons works (even tutorial which is some sort of campaign)
20090517 18:15:13< Ivanovic> http://www.wesnoth.org/files/1.7.0-campaigns-prob.png
20090517 18:15:43< esr> I'm rebuilding to test.
20090517 18:16:38< alink> wesbot log 35692
20090517 18:16:39< wesbot> mordante * r35692 : Add a new show_message helper function.
20090517 18:16:42< wesbot> URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=35692
20090517 18:17:11< alink> probably this one, but I didn't test
20090517 18:17:38< alink> but is see the    "Title", "Message", gui2::tmessage::yes_no_buttons);
20090517 18:18:11< Ivanovic> jupp, likely that it was this one
20090517 18:18:25< alink> I suspect forgotten debug code
20090517 18:18:50< Crab_> alink: probably only  /trunk/src/game.cpp needs revert. seems like debug code, yes...
20090517 18:20:50< loonycyborg> I'm getting that too after git svn rebase..
20090517 18:21:28-!- ilor [n=user@wesnoth/developer/ilor] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
20090517 18:22:03 * alink is compiling the revert
20090517 18:22:40< alink> it fix the problem
20090517 18:23:30< alink> I suppose that i can safely commit it ?
20090517 18:23:43< alink> Mordante: ping
20090517 18:24:11< loonycyborg> [15:40:00] <mordante> I'm off now, bye
20090517 18:24:29< Ivanovic> alink: have you reverted the complete commit or only src/game.cpp ?
20090517 18:24:32< esr> Woo. I'm seeing the silly popup box, too.
20090517 18:24:46< alink> only game.cpp
20090517 18:24:57< alink> (manually in fact)
20090517 18:25:58< Ivanovic> alink: then let me commit, i reverted via svn merge
20090517 18:26:04< Ivanovic> and yeah, seems to fix the problem
20090517 18:26:10< alink> Ivanovic: do i commit, or you prefer do it yourself (for some svn reason)
20090517 18:26:10< alink> Ivanovic: ok
20090517 18:26:35-!- kaboodle [n=indigo_k@d75-157-79-253.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 18:27:18-!- Ivanovic changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: releasing 1.7.0, using r35711 | 60 bugs, 240 feature requests, 9 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org/ | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20090517 18:27:19< CIA-30> ivanovic * r35711 /trunk/src/game.cpp: revert some debug code that seems to have gotten into rev35692 by accident (the debug code broke the campaign selection dialog)
20090517 18:29:26-!- Elvish_Pillage2 [n=eli@68-116-175-24.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
20090517 18:30:40< alink> good thing that Mordante used an important button :)
20090517 18:30:56< Ivanovic> jupp
20090517 18:31:48-!- euschn [n=chatzill@wesnoth/developer/euschn] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042523]"]
20090517 18:33:50< esr> Off to lunch.  I'll close tracker items when I get back.
20090517 18:35:44-!- elias [n=allefant@allegro/developer/allefant] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
20090517 18:39:09< Ivanovic> silene: translations of the text in "loading screens" seem to no longer work
20090517 18:39:18< Ivanovic> silene: it would be *great* if you could have a look at this
20090517 18:39:25< Ivanovic> (yeah, not a 1.7.0 blocker at all)
20090517 18:39:42< silene> Ivanovic: which loading screen? the one right at startup?
20090517 18:40:51< Ivanovic> silene: jupp
20090517 18:41:03< Ivanovic> as well as when starting a campaign
20090517 18:41:33< Ivanovic> stuff like "Reading files and creating cache..."
20090517 18:43:59-!- thespaceinvader [n=chatzill@wesnoth/artist/thespaceinvader] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 18:44:29< Ivanovic> someone please have a look at this one:
20090517 18:44:31< Ivanovic> 20090517 18:41:14 error config: File not found 'FROM_TRAINING_THE_OGRES'
20090517 18:44:41< Ivanovic> (probably from starting EI, not 100% sure though
20090517 18:45:18< Ivanovic> Soliton: can you please start a multiplayer server for 1.7.0?
20090517 18:45:49< Soliton> way ahead of you.
20090517 18:46:06 * Polarina gives Soliton a cookie.
20090517 18:46:11< Soliton> i'll set the redirect too now.
20090517 18:46:59< Soliton> Ivanovic: should work now.
20090517 18:47:09< Ivanovic> great
20090517 18:47:25< Soliton> wait, not quite.
20090517 18:47:30< Ivanovic> jupp, not working yet
20090517 18:48:13< Soliton> now?
20090517 18:48:46< Ivanovic> jupp, works
20090517 18:51:45-!- kaboodle [n=indigo_k@d75-157-79-253.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
20090517 18:53:11< CIA-30> ivanovic * r35712 /tags/1.7.0/: tag 1.7.0 (using r35711)
20090517 18:53:21-!- kaboodle [n=indigo_k@d75-157-79-253.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 18:53:30< Polarina> Omg, omg, omg!
20090517 18:53:38-!- Ivanovic changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: released 1.7.0, announcing "soon" | 60 bugs, 240 feature requests, 9 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org/ | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20090517 18:53:44< silene> Ivanovic: are you sure they don't work? i'm asking because someone recently modified just to be sure they would fuzzy for the release
20090517 18:54:27< Ivanovic> hmm, i thought those were still unchanged, at least those at startup time
20090517 18:55:17< Ivanovic> lovely, a 230MB tarball
20090517 18:56:02< Ivanovic> (instead of ~219, with a new campaign and different packaging method (just an svn snapshot, nothing else))
20090517 18:57:02< stikonas> and a new ogg file
20090517 18:57:30< stikonas> which is 6.2 MB
20090517 18:58:12< Smar> have you tried .7z?
20090517 18:58:33< stikonas> IIRC tar.lzma is about 15 MB smaller
20090517 18:58:54< stikonas> Smar: ^^
20090517 19:00:02< Smar> hmm, not that much
20090517 19:00:09< Smar> .lzma == .7z?
20090517 19:00:15< Smar> I don’t really know
20090517 19:01:41< stikonas> Smar: more or less, at least it uses the same algorithm
20090517 19:02:35< Smar> ok, then
20090517 19:02:46< crimson_penguin> wait a second, is lua required for 1.7.0?
20090517 19:03:10< stikonas> crimson_penguin: yes
20090517 19:03:47< silene> crimson_penguin: wesnoth works without it, but you lose some features (e.g., the new wml tags for objectives)
20090517 19:04:03-!- ilor [n=user@wesnoth/developer/ilor] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 19:04:09< crimson_penguin> hmmm
20090517 19:04:15 * crimson_penguin wonders how hard packaging lua is
20090517 19:04:24< stikonas> silene: at least CMakeLists.txt contains find_package( Lua51 REQUIRED)
20090517 19:04:25< Smar> have you implemented a feature to recognize campaigns that needs lua....?
20090517 19:04:54< silene> stikonas: configure.ac does too; but not scons
20090517 19:06:05< loonycyborg> scons requires lua too unless you pass lua=false.
20090517 19:06:29< silene> so the default is lua required for scons?
20090517 19:06:42< loonycyborg> Yes.
20090517 19:08:36< Ivanovic> in 10mins the upload to wesnoth.org should be done
20090517 19:08:45< Ivanovic> ah, lovely when uploading only takes you about 45mins...
20090517 19:10:36< Ivanovic> and the xdelta from 1.6.2 to 1.7.0 only has 22MB
20090517 19:10:43-!- cjhopman_ [n=chris@wesnoth/developer/cjhopman] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 19:13:30< crimson_penguin> nice
20090517 19:14:05< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: would it work to make an xdelta of a .dmg?
20090517 19:14:11< crimson_penguin> (compressed with BZ2)
20090517 19:14:34< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin: no idea
20090517 19:14:41< Ivanovic> try it
20090517 19:14:54< crimson_penguin> how? I don't know much about xdelta
20090517 19:15:06< Ivanovic> (that is: i am not making the xdelta from the compressed tarball because then the xdelta would be a lot bigger than from the uncompressed tarball)
20090517 19:15:10< crimson_penguin> lua is looking relatively quite easy to add, though kind of odd; comes with only a .so and a .a, not .dylib or .framework
20090517 19:15:20< crimson_penguin> ah, I see
20090517 19:15:34< Ivanovic> install the commandline prog "xdelta" and run: xdelta delta FILE_OLD FILE_NEW OUTPUT_FILE
20090517 19:15:54< crimson_penguin> yay, I already have xdelta
20090517 19:19:21< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: 0.2MB smaller than the full dmg :P
20090517 19:19:39< Ivanovic> like i said, it does not work well on bz2 compressed stuff
20090517 19:19:45< Ivanovic> on .gz compressed stuff it works better
20090517 19:21:02-!- ilor_ [n=user@wesnoth/developer/ilor] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
20090517 19:22:29< crimson_penguin> oh well
20090517 19:28:22-!- busfahrer [n=busfahre@unixboard/user/busfahrer] has quit ["leaving"]
20090517 19:29:28-!- cjhopman_ [n=chris@wesnoth/developer/cjhopman] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)]
20090517 19:29:39-!- kaboodle [n=indigo_k@d75-157-79-253.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
20090517 19:30:11< crimson_penguin> um, what does the S status mean in svn?
20090517 19:31:04-!- Blueblaze [n=nick@c-98-199-143-139.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 19:31:12< Ivanovic> no idea
20090517 19:32:07< ilor> crimson_penguin: S     stuff/squawk        # file or dir has been switched to a branch
20090517 19:33:17< crimson_penguin> well I'm getting a ton of compile errors, and I think it's probably not the all my S files
20090517 19:33:59< crimson_penguin> oh, maybe it's that whole src/ai thing that I haven't added at all :D
20090517 19:38:33-!- alink [n=alink@wesnoth/developer/alink] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
20090517 19:41:10< crimson_penguin> ok, there was a bunch of folders to add... but that should cause linker errors, not compile errors
20090517 19:41:23< crimson_penguin> I'm not sure what's going on here - it seems like something isn't being included, but there's no error about that
20090517 19:43:48< ilor> crimson_penguin: if your WC is foobared then weird errors are likely ;)
20090517 19:43:56< crimson_penguin> WC?
20090517 19:44:03< ilor> working copy
20090517 19:45:22< crimson_penguin> well, how can I fix this S issue?
20090517 19:46:53< ilor> it seems you have a directory or a bunch of files switched to a different branch
20090517 19:47:23< ilor> maybe switch your entire working copy to either trunk or whatever you want it to be?
20090517 19:47:32< crimson_penguin> well here's the thing, I duplicated my 1.6.2 checkout, switched it to /trunk, then switched it to /tags/1.7.0
20090517 19:47:41< crimson_penguin> that's what I already did though :-/
20090517 19:47:50-!- loonycyborg [n=sergey@wesnoth/developer/loonycyborg] has quit ["KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/"]
20090517 19:48:01< crimson_penguin> I did: svn switch svn+ssh://crimson_penguin@svn.gna.org/svn/wesnoth/tags/1.7.0
20090517 19:48:01< ilor> you were switching the entire dir?
20090517 19:48:11< crimson_penguin> yeah
20090517 19:48:27< ilor> sure you weren't in a subdir at the time?
20090517 19:48:27-!- loonybot [n=loonybot@wesnoth/bot/loonybot] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
20090517 19:48:36< crimson_penguin> maybe you're right
20090517 19:52:20< crimson_penguin> well I wasn't in a subdir, but somehow doing it again is doing lots of stuff...
20090517 19:52:50< crimson_penguin> I bet the problem is it error'd in the middle, and so I fixed the problem (deleted a file), and then thought svn up would continue where it left off
20090517 20:01:15-!- Noyga [n=lame-z@wesnoth/developer/noyga] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 20:02:11< crimson_penguin> ilor: yup, apparently that was the problem
20090517 20:06:16< CIA-30> ivanovic * r35713 /trunk/ (changelog configure.ac players_changelog src/wesconfig.h): post release version bump to 1.7.0+svn
20090517 20:11:45-!- Espreon [n=espreon@wesnoth/developer/espreon] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 20:12:12-!- stikonas [n=and@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
20090517 20:12:50-!- elias [n=allefant@allegro/developer/allefant] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 20:15:10-!- stikonas [n=and@ctv-213-164-125-83.vinita.lt] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 20:22:00-!- noy [n=Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 20:28:44-!- cjhopman_ [n=chris@wesnoth/developer/cjhopman] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 20:32:03-!- EdB [n=edb@28.12.95-79.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
20090517 20:46:58-!- busfahrer [n=busfahre@unixboard/user/busfahrer] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 20:52:14< esr> Ivanovic: Have you tagged yet?  Should I close bugs?
20090517 20:52:54< stikonas> esr: 1.7.0 is released as topic says
20090517 20:58:25 * crimson_penguin thinks his build is finally ready
20090517 20:58:34< crimson_penguin> building the disk image for the 3rd time :P
20090517 21:06:29-!- ^Noyga^ [n=lame-z@AVelizy-151-1-40-47.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 21:07:46-!- Noyga [n=lame-z@wesnoth/developer/noyga] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
20090517 21:09:10-!- ^Noyga^ is now known as Noyga
20090517 21:12:58-!- thespaceinvader_ [n=chatzill@91.108.188.78] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 21:12:58 * crimson_penguin is uploading 1.7.0
20090517 21:13:19-!- thespaceinvader [n=chatzill@wesnoth/artist/thespaceinvader] has quit [Nick collision from services.]
20090517 21:13:33-!- thespaceinvader_ is now known as thespaceinvader
20090517 21:16:51< Ivanovic> esr: go on your closing spree
20090517 21:17:08< Ivanovic> ah, okay, you are done
20090517 21:17:32< Ivanovic> esr: that is: patches.wesnoth.org needs to be closed, too (all the "done" and "won't do" stuff)
20090517 21:17:46-!- Noyga [n=lame-z@wesnoth/developer/noyga] has quit []
20090517 21:20:33-!- maxy [n=maxy@80-219-0-199.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit []
20090517 21:36:08< esr> Ivanovic: All closings done.  For the first time we closed more bugs than remain on the tracker.
20090517 21:36:21< Ivanovic> great
20090517 21:36:24< esr> I'll be AFK for a few hours.
20090517 21:36:52< Ivanovic> though most were already fixed earlier in 1.6, we just were not 100% sure if it was a trunk only or trunk+1.6 fix
20090517 21:36:53< Ivanovic> ;)
20090517 21:37:21< esr> Still, 118 bugs and FRs closed is impressive.
20090517 21:37:30< Ivanovic> oh yeah, that it really is
20090517 21:37:51< Ivanovic> and the huge amount of patches is worth a lot, too
20090517 21:38:19-!- noy [n=Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit []
20090517 21:39:17< esr> Almost half of what's left are Mordanta's gui -> gui2 issues.
20090517 21:47:31-!- YogiHH [n=chatzill@d020216.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 21:49:26-!- loonycyborgw32 [i=kvirc@79.139.246.175] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 21:59:31-!- stikonas [n=and@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
20090517 22:01:40-!- stikonas [n=and@ctv-213-164-125-83.vinita.lt] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 22:17:53-!- loonycyborgw32 [i=kvirc@79.139.246.175] has quit ["KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo http://www.kvirc.net/"]
20090517 22:19:28-!- Fab1 [n=Fab@ANantes-552-1-58-200.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 22:19:59-!- loonybot [n=loonybot@79.139.246.175] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 22:21:01-!- loonycyborg [n=sergey@79.139.246.175] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 22:22:06-!- busfahrer` [n=busfahre@ulmg-5f70df2b.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 22:23:51-!- YogiHH [n=chatzill@d020216.adsl.hansenet.de] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042316]"]
20090517 22:24:45-!- mjs-de [n=mjs-de@vpw.wh.uni-dortmund.de] has quit ["On the road again"]
20090517 22:26:53-!- Crab_ [n=Crab_@wesnoth/developer/crab] has quit ["Leaving."]
20090517 22:26:53-!- busfahrer [n=busfahre@unixboard/user/busfahrer] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)]
20090517 22:30:21-!- boucman [n=rosen@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 22:30:26< CIA-30> silene * r35714 /trunk/src/ (16 files in 2 dirs): Merged find_leader and team_leader into unit_map::find_leader.
20090517 22:30:33< boucman> hey all
20090517 22:30:52< CIA-30> silene * r35715 /trunk/src/ (26 files in 2 dirs): Fixed some discrepancies between side (1-based) and team (0-based).
20090517 22:30:53< Polarina> silene: That was lot of files.
20090517 22:31:05< CIA-30> silene * r35716 /trunk/src/tests/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Used fast checks.
20090517 22:31:14< CIA-30> silene * r35717 /trunk/src/ (unit_map.cpp unit_map.hpp): Removed unused functions.
20090517 22:31:26< CIA-30> silene * r35718 /trunk/src/ (unit_map.cpp unit_map.hpp): Removed code duplication.
20090517 22:32:07-!- boucman [n=rosen@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has quit [Client Quit]
20090517 22:32:23-!- boucman [n=rosen@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 22:39:04-!- loonybot [n=loonybot@wesnoth/bot/loonybot] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
20090517 22:39:23-!- zookeeper [n=l@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 22:43:47 * Polarina made a feature request. :)
20090517 22:44:46< stikonas> IPv6 :)
20090517 22:45:48< Polarina> If it would be done before 1.8, it would be great! :D
20090517 22:45:52-!- cjhopman_ [n=chris@wesnoth/developer/cjhopman] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
20090517 22:49:27-!- alink [n=alink@wesnoth/developer/alink] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 22:51:26-!- ABCD [n=ABCD@wikipedia/ABCD] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)]
20090517 23:00:50-!- busfahrer` is now known as busfahrer
20090517 23:03:26-!- silene [n=plouf@wesnoth/developer/silene] has quit ["Leaving."]
20090517 23:05:03< boucman> wesbot: seen Crab_
20090517 23:05:03< wesbot> boucman: The person with the nick Crab_ last spoke 4h 46m ago.  38m 10s ago they left with the message: "Leaving."
20090517 23:06:16-!- giusef [n=giusef@unaffiliated/giusef] has quit ["exit (-1);"]
20090517 23:13:20< Jetrel> Ivanovic, zookeeper:  I'm committing the new versions of the orc grunt & leader line to trunk, right now.
20090517 23:13:37< Ivanovic> cool
20090517 23:13:42< Polarina> Awesome!
20090517 23:13:52< Jetrel> Ivanovic, zookeeper:  I just want a heads-up if there's anything I need to know about, say, stringfreeze and such.
20090517 23:14:06< Ivanovic> nothing atm
20090517 23:14:13< Polarina> Jetrel: Nothing.
20090517 23:14:26< boucman> Jetrel: hey, long time no see...
20090517 23:15:13< boucman> Jetrel: there is a scrip lying around (I think alink made it) that counts the number of out-of-hex pixels, some image have only one, it might be usefull to check
20090517 23:16:46< Jetrel> boucman:  Yeah, saw that.  Many of them are necessary, many others of them will be fixed as I do cleanups (I'm doing one on the elves sooner or later).
20090517 23:17:12< boucman> ok, I was not aware that you knoew about it
20090517 23:17:21< boucman> but if you do, that's fine, no rush
20090517 23:17:45< Jetrel> boucman:  I'm always on freenode, I just tend to avoid this channel because I need to actually do work for wesnoth, rather than discuss work I want to do to wesnoth.  ;)
20090517 23:17:56< boucman> hehe
20090517 23:18:10< Jetrel> I noticed that was becoming a problem, about a year or so ago.
20090517 23:18:20-!- Elvish_Pillage2 [n=eli@68-116-175-24.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 23:18:34< zookeeper> Jetrel, cool
20090517 23:19:14< Jetrel> boucman:  also I've been splitting my time 50/50 as a general worker on frogatto - I need the training on being a programmer for personal reasons (I am, professionally, a programmer, and becoming a better one is very relevant to my personal life).
20090517 23:19:29< zookeeper> Jetrel, Ivanovic, one possibility for the crossbow/bow mismatch might be to keep the attack's internal name as bow but change the user-visible description to crossbow
20090517 23:19:51< Ivanovic> zookeeper: i think it might be better not to change anything in 1.6
20090517 23:19:58< Jetrel> Whereas unless I'm selling a game of my own that contains my artwork, I don't think I'm ever going to professionally be an artist - especially not a sprite artist.
20090517 23:20:00< zookeeper> that shouldn't cause potential OOS (unless of course someone was silly enough to filter by the description)
20090517 23:20:06< zookeeper> Ivanovic, fine by me
20090517 23:20:18< ilor> alink around?
20090517 23:21:04< loonycyborg> Ivanovic: 1.7.0 binary is uploaded.
20090517 23:21:11< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: great
20090517 23:21:43< Polarina> loonycyborg: For what platform?
20090517 23:21:52< Ivanovic> Polarina: dos derivate
20090517 23:21:52< loonycyborg> Polarina: Windows.
20090517 23:22:14< Polarina> Ok.
20090517 23:22:28< Polarina> So all we need is a MacOS binary.
20090517 23:22:29< alink> ilor: yes
20090517 23:23:06< ilor> alink: in marked-up-text.cpp there are a bunch of ranges for allowed unicode chars, apparently by you
20090517 23:23:28< ilor> alink: and I'm getting warnings on one lone there, 259 to be exact
20090517 23:23:30< alink> ilor: Chinese stuff  ?
20090517 23:24:05< ilor> alink: yep, it says the comparison is always true / false, the numbers in that line are larger than the rest
20090517 23:24:26< alink> (I committed a patch there recently, but gcc didn't complained
20090517 23:24:31< alink> )
20090517 23:26:04< alink> "the numbers in that line are larger than the rest" ?
20090517 23:26:35< alink> ah maybe ch >= 0x20000 && ch < 0x2a6df ?
20090517 23:27:05< Jetrel> god dammit
20090517 23:27:05< ilor> yes that
20090517 23:27:10< CIA-30> jetryl * r35719 /trunk/data/core/ (22 files in 4 dirs): New images for the orc warlord.
20090517 23:27:35< Jetrel> okay, I need to revert whatever the f**k I just committed to the elf archer
20090517 23:27:48< ilor> at least for me, wchar_t's size is smaller than what it's compared to there
20090517 23:27:59< alink> ilor: yeah look suspicious, i will check the patch and maybe contact the submitter about it
20090517 23:28:10< alink> if it's a typo, better correct it
20090517 23:29:31< alink> at least it was already in the original patch
20090517 23:30:53< alink> ilor: or maybe I can ask you to post the warning in patch https://gna.org/patch/?1140 and re-open it ?
20090517 23:31:13< alink> s/can/may
20090517 23:31:32< CIA-30> jetryl * r35720 /trunk/data/core/ (images/units/elves-wood/archer.png units/elves/Archer.cfg): Reverted accidental commit to the elf archer.
20090517 23:32:37< Jetrel> Somehow had some half-finished sprites sitting in there.
20090517 23:33:09< Jetrel> I am not amused.  I'm used to using svn much more quickly these days - without actually specifying the involved files.
20090517 23:34:13< ilor> alink: done
20090517 23:34:15< alink> Jetrel: about the stray pixels, it's mainly useful for standing frames (esp. the base one)
20090517 23:34:21< alink> ilor: thanks
20090517 23:34:21-!- Elvish_Pillager [n=eli@68-116-175-24.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
20090517 23:34:52< Jetrel> alink:  yes, zookeeper informed me.  I'm aware of the limitations of our blitter.
20090517 23:35:53< alink> Jetrel: no these limitations are removed, it's just that it works better when "in a hex" and some of these pixels are clearly not wanted
20090517 23:36:09< Jetrel> alink:  I will fix it whenever it's something actually wrong with the image, as I do any cleanups down the road.  (e.g. stray pixels and such), however, I'm not posing units awkwardly to fit them in a hex.
20090517 23:37:01< Jetrel> alink:  yeah - I'm aware that we've removed the hard limit on image placement;  I meant limitations in that we're not using openGL for the backend.
20090517 23:37:12< alink> Jetrel: no need to pose them, in fact if they don't fit, let the artist in you use the space more
20090517 23:37:44< alink> for example, the yeti is crammed in its hex, but for nothing because 2 pixels are out 
20090517 23:37:55< Jetrel> Yeah.
20090517 23:38:29< alink> there is also clear Gimp scrap like I found a white rectangle with alpha=1 near the foot of a unit
20090517 23:38:43-!- zookeeper [n=l@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit []
20090517 23:41:06< alink> Jetrel: of course that's little priority, but that also could optimize 1.6 (where obviously, we can't improve the blitter) 
20090517 23:41:28-!- loonybot [n=loonybot@79.139.246.175] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 23:44:33< alink> ah found it, it's the marshal, and it's even worse than in my memory, it's a little rectangle with alpha=2 and the whole rectangular background is white with alpha=1
20090517 23:47:07< alink> ah i understand, it comes from the leading frame, where the shining effect on the sword spread on all the image. You can even see a hole (alpha=0) where the sword was.
20090517 23:47:38< Jetrel> alink:  amongst other things, I'm removing all such effects from being directly applied to sprites.
20090517 23:48:18< alink> Jetrel: you mean you use a separate image now ? good
20090517 23:49:19< Jetrel> alink:  yeah, it's much easier for maintenance, and also allows for more complex effects.  I'm hoping to do a much better, animated "shiny blade reflection" on leadership frames, and I also am making leadership animations into a two-frame, macro-ified animation.
20090517 23:49:22-!- busfahrer [n=busfahre@ulmg-5f70df2b.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit ["leaving"]
20090517 23:50:50< alink> glad to hear that all these animations features (which need a lot of tricky code) are more and more used :-)
20090517 23:51:01< boucman> night all
20090517 23:51:06-!- boucman [n=rosen@wesnoth/developer/boucman] has quit ["Leaving."]
20090517 23:51:09< alink> gn boucman
20090517 23:51:19< Jetrel> alink:  frogatto has actually given me a fresh perspective on things; for most of our sprites, all of this accidental "garbage data" would be much easier to remove if we did our transparency via "magic colors", and actually didn't (normally) have alpha channels on our sprites at all.  Furthermore, it'd be a lot easier to make sure all our images had the same integrity if they were in spritesheets, rather than separate single images.
20090517 23:51:35-!- elias [n=allefant@allegro/developer/allefant] has quit ["Leaving"]
20090517 23:52:08< Polarina> Not having an alpha channel is evil!
20090517 23:52:17< Jetrel> Plus that'd save about 70% of the current storage space used for our PNGs, over and above the best OptiPNG compression out there.
20090517 23:52:17< Polarina> Stop complaining that we should have it otherwise.
20090517 23:53:05< Jetrel> Polarina:  that's what I thought too.  Until I got 5 years of experience managing the art assets of a sprite-based game, and realized that we really only need ternary opacity.
20090517 23:53:37< Jetrel> Polarina:  and more importantly, we need a very "in our faces" indication in-game if there are any pixels that have incorrect alpha data.
20090517 23:54:17< Jetrel> Believe me, I'm an implementation purist, too. :)
20090517 23:54:24< alink> Jetrel: yeah but i think that using separate files allow to load only the anim used (we have a lot of units, but rarely use all their anims at the same times)
20090517 23:54:26< Polarina> I don't care. I do not agree with the idea of dropping the alpha channel.
20090517 23:55:12< Jetrel> Polarina:  alpha channels would remain supported and heavily used on all non-sprites; they're the solution for things that need complex transparency.
20090517 23:55:31< Polarina> Complex or not, I want them there.
20090517 23:56:03< Jetrel> Polarina:  All of this is irrelevant unless we overhaul this stuff, which we won't be doing to wesnoth proper anyways, so I wouldn't worry.
20090517 23:57:01< Ivanovic> Jetrel: what would gain us most space if sheets of images were used
20090517 23:57:10< Ivanovic> and thus the number of "really tiny files" was reduced
20090517 23:57:32< Jetrel> Ivanovic: yes.  I did the tests on this and it's pretty suprising.
20090517 23:57:37< Ivanovic> (due to blocksize being normally at least 4KB every image will use this much, even if it in reality just uses 1KB)
20090517 23:57:40 * Polarina did not understood what Ivanovic said.
20090517 23:58:35< Ivanovic> Polarina: filesystems work with blocks
20090517 23:58:42< Ivanovic> and every file at least uses one of those blocks
20090517 23:58:44-!- ilor_ [n=user@wesnoth/developer/ilor] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090517 23:58:56< Polarina> Ivanovic: No, not that. The statement "what would gain us most space if sheets of images were used" doesn't make sense.
20090517 23:59:02< Ivanovic> if a block is 4kb big and a file only has 1kb, the file in reality occupies 4kb
20090517 23:59:16< Jetrel> Ivanovic:  apparently it's also more than that - many PNGs have a suprising amount of overhead too.  I think this gets cleaned up by zipping all the PNGs (like when we distribute), but it doesn't happen when we have all the files unrolled.
20090517 23:59:16< Ivanovic> oh, it does
20090517 23:59:35< Polarina> Ivanovic: It is grammatically incorrect and I didn't understand it.
20090517 23:59:46< Jetrel> Polarina:  it's not perfectly correct grammar, but I got it.
--- Log closed Mon May 18 00:00:05 2009