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20090520 00:00:40< mordante> I'm off night
20090520 00:01:00< ilor> night mordante
20090520 00:01:07< boucman> night
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20090520 00:01:14< boucman> alink: around ?
20090520 00:01:36< Soliton> boucman: patch #1162; seems like the author is MIA. maybe it can be applied anyway?
20090520 00:01:47< boucman> wesbot: patch 1162
20090520 00:01:48< wesbot> Patch #1162  Assigned to: None  Status: None  Priority: 3 - Low
20090520 00:01:48< wesbot> Summary: Adds new WML attribute for configurable village support (upkeep) - addresses FR#6301 from EasyCoding
20090520 00:01:51< wesbot> Original submission: This is quite an old feature request, but it was still on
20090520 00:01:54< wesbot>  the EasyCoding page. Since there's already a village_gold WML [side] attribute 
20090520 00:01:57< wesbot> URL: https://gna.org/patch/?1162
20090520 00:01:59< wesbot> Attached file (1st): https://gna.org/patch/download.php?file_id=5627
20090520 00:02:24< boucman> Soliton: right now my computer is playing nasty tricks on me
20090520 00:02:46< boucman> and i'll be away from tomorow evening till next wensday, so feel free to commit 
20090520 00:04:42< Soliton> ok, i just wanted to bring it to attention before it bitrots too much. maybe someone who is into that part can commit it.
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20090520 00:08:07< alink> boucman: I am half-here
20090520 00:08:45< boucman> alink: nvm then, well' discuss tomorow if you're around
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20090520 00:09:10< alink> ok, but i am curious now, what is the topic ?
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20090520 00:27:15< boucman> alink: I have a fix for the standing anim, but my computer have issues, and since I'm about to leave for a week, I wanted to ask you to test/commit for me
20090520 00:27:27< boucman> but i'll still be around tomorow evening, so no hurry
20090520 00:27:32< alink> boucman: ok np
20090520 00:27:46< alink> will be here tomorow evening too
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20090520 03:58:18< Zen_Clark> http://tinyurl.com/bqqrvx <--- Sweet Wesnoth video that some guy made.
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20090520 04:25:12 * happygrue wishes he had read about crimson_penguin kicking zen clark a few seconds earlier...
20090520 04:25:49< crimson_penguin> what a horrible place to rickroll
20090520 04:26:00< crimson_penguin> lucky for me, it loaded slow enough that I saw the title before the page loaded
20090520 04:37:52< CIA-30> esr * r35764 /trunk/src/ (gamestatus.cpp gamestatus.hpp): 
20090520 04:37:52< CIA-30> Add parent field to ganestate structure; marshal it to and from cfgs.
20090520 04:37:52< CIA-30> This is about a third of the infrastructure required for save threading, but
20090520 04:37:52< CIA-30> does not yet touch the actual savegame code.
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20090520 04:45:57< [Relic]> Hello :)
20090520 04:49:16 * Blueblaze got rickrolled :(
20090520 04:49:20< Blueblaze> good thing I like that song!
20090520 04:55:48< crimson_penguin> hahahaha
20090520 04:55:52< crimson_penguin> hi [Relic] 
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20090520 07:52:45< CIA-30> esr * r35765 /trunk/src/savegame.cpp: (log message trimmed)
20090520 07:52:45< CIA-30> The entire lower layer of save threading, in three lines of code! Tested.
20090520 07:52:45< CIA-30> Congrats to YogiHH for making this so easy - I had been planning to wait
20090520 07:52:45< CIA-30> a couple of weeks but there's no need.
20090520 07:52:45< CIA-30> (Also, a tiny refactoring step using replace_space2underbar that was
20090520 07:52:45< CIA-30> clearly intended but missed.)
20090520 07:52:49< CIA-30> No actual behavior changes yet; that will take significant
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20090520 08:38:31< euschn> hi
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20090520 09:19:57< Ivanovic> moin
20090520 09:23:09< euschn> hi Ivanovic 
20090520 09:23:28< Ivanovic> hi euschn
20090520 09:23:32< Ivanovic> how are things going?
20090520 09:24:05< euschn> Ivanovic: ok so far I guess, im currently working on the uml model for the merged gamestate/gamestatus
20090520 09:25:39< Ivanovic> good
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20090520 09:26:09< Ivanovic> i hope you won't encounter too many problems while working through the existing mess
20090520 09:34:00< euschn> Ivanovic: me too :). I am currently wondering if game_state will get too large if I merge most members from gamestatus/config_adapter into it. Maybe it would be a cleaner design to move the variable getters/setters to game_state's superclass variable_set?
20090520 09:35:16< Ivanovic> euschn: i don't know
20090520 09:35:29< Ivanovic> you should talk to yogihh about this, though it might make sense
20090520 09:35:46< euschn> Ivanovic: will do
20090520 09:38:45< esr> euschn: I'm making some minor additions to that code, but nothing that should interfere with your work.
20090520 09:39:01< euschn> esr: ok
20090520 09:40:15< Ivanovic> noy: regarding the plans about "summer of art": grzywacz raised a valid point yesterday: international wire transfer is going to be *hell*
20090520 09:40:39< noy> there are a number of ways around it
20090520 09:40:44< Ivanovic> noy: banks love to keep quite a large percentage
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20090520 09:40:48< noy> we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.
20090520 09:40:51< Ivanovic> noy: oh, ist there, how?
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20090520 09:41:32< noy> It depends #1 on who we get as students for 1
20090520 09:42:10< noy> where they are and the like
20090520 09:42:19< noy> Second it depends on the payment scheme that is arrived on
20090520 09:42:30< noy> and third is what countries and banks they have.
20090520 09:42:53< noy> So between the three of those issues I don't see it as a major problem. 
20090520 09:45:21< Ivanovic> i am quite sure that the problem would arise if i sent a wire transfer from my account to somewhere outside the EU, for people in the US/canada it is probably worse since there wire transfers are only free in the same country IIRC
20090520 09:45:35< noy> So I don't think its a valid point to raise at this point to block the structure I submitted.... its a concern we might be cognizant of, but it really depends. 
20090520 09:45:43< Ivanovic> and since our money currently is in the US we are likely to face this problem
20090520 09:45:59< Ivanovic> no, it is not a blocker, we should just consider it when it comes to payment and payment blocks
20090520 09:46:09< noy> Ivanovic: Maybe, maybe not. I've lived in Europe and found ways of withdrawing cash. Paypal is an option for one. 
20090520 09:46:15< noy> (withdrawing from Canada)
20090520 09:46:45< noy> we can alter the payment structure as well.
20090520 09:47:12< noy> so that we might hold some of the funds back even though they have earned them, and pay them out as larger sums. 
20090520 09:47:14< Ivanovic> ain't there some limits with paypal, too (as in "once you are above XYZ$ you have to pay ABC% transaction fee")?
20090520 09:47:36< Ivanovic> noy: jupp, that is exactly what i mean
20090520 09:47:40< noy> We're going to get a transaction fee anyway. 
20090520 09:47:59< noy> In most cases even within the US and Canada
20090520 09:48:02< Ivanovic> and since the payment structure was part of the proposal, too, i wanted to make sure that we are aware of the possible problem(s)
20090520 09:48:37< noy> Well I don't think its a problem that we should be worrying about at this point.
20090520 09:49:01< noy> because it depends on a lot of things, the most important of which is where the individiuals are based.
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20090520 09:50:34< CIA-30> esr * r35766 /trunk/src/gamestatus.cpp: Code simplification; it's not necessary for snapshots to copy the parent member.
20090520 09:51:23< noy> anyway I need to get to bed...
20090520 09:51:59< Ivanovic> n8 noy
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20090520 10:13:00< Ivanovic> compiling current trunk with autotools is slightly problematic... http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/m7c4d9e59
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20090520 10:15:11< Ivanovic> ilor, Soliton: so something is going really wrong with wesnothd
20090520 10:16:04< ilor> Ivanovic: looking
20090520 10:16:35< esr> Ivanovic: I think it's long past time to just drop autotools.  Three build systems is too many.
20090520 10:16:50< Ivanovic> esr: tell this silene
20090520 10:16:59< esr> ?
20090520 10:17:00< Ivanovic> esr: though i think this is not an "autotools only" problem
20090520 10:17:08< Ivanovic> esr: silene is the one willing to keep autotools
20090520 10:17:17< esr> Urgh.
20090520 10:18:38< ilor> Ivanovic: builds for me in scons
20090520 10:19:30< ilor> argh, I typoed in Makefile.am
20090520 10:19:49< Ivanovic> ilor: and have you also typoed in CMakeLists.txt?
20090520 10:20:17< Ivanovic> ah, no, sorry
20090520 10:20:38< Ivanovic> http://pastebin.com/m67dba991
20090520 10:21:00< Ivanovic> "warnings treated as errors", lovely...
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20090520 10:21:52< Ivanovic> so it was probably a bad decission to force on strict compile if *BOOST* does not conform to this...
20090520 10:22:21< Ivanovic> (with gcc 4.3.3 and boost 1.37.0)
20090520 10:22:32< stikonas> Ivanovic: mordante enabled strict compilation yesterday
20090520 10:22:36< ilor> it became a bad decision after gcc 4.3 started throwing warnings on everything
20090520 10:22:52< CIA-30> ilor * r35767 /trunk/src/Makefile.am: Fix Makefile.am (missing backslash)
20090520 10:22:52< stikonas> r35756
20090520 10:22:57< Ivanovic> stikonas: i know
20090520 10:23:33< Ivanovic> stikonas: but i also know that mordante reads the logs and thus will react
20090520 10:23:46< ilor> I'm waiting for gcc 4.4 to warn me of a * b + c without () around the multiplication
20090520 10:23:56< Ivanovic> hehe
20090520 10:24:38< CIA-30> esr * r35768 /trunk/src/savegame.cpp: 
20090520 10:24:38< CIA-30> parent-setting code needs to be a bit more clever tto handlke the case
20090520 10:24:38< CIA-30> in which we save to the sanme filename as the immediate previous
20090520 10:24:38< CIA-30> save. Also, add logging so we can debug any other edge cases that
20090520 10:24:38< CIA-30> come up.
20090520 10:25:15< ilor> is there a -Wno-i-know-and-comes-before-or?
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20090520 10:27:33< esr> Ivanovic: Remember my savegame-threading proposal from 18 months ago?
20090520 10:27:36< ilor> Ivanovic: anyway, the autotools issue should be fixed, and I'm off for classes, cu
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20090520 10:31:53< Ivanovic> esr: no, i don't
20090520 10:32:02< Ivanovic> ilor: yes, it is
20090520 10:32:47< Ivanovic> esr: i remember that there was a proposal, but i don't remember the contents of it
20090520 10:33:49< esr> It was to change the gane-loading interface so that continues sequences of saves become threads connected by "is the parent of" relationships.  The normal load-game dialog would then show you just the thread heads -- select one of those to browse the list of saves in the thread.
20090520 10:34:51< esr> I just built the lower half of that code - YogiHH's savegame refactoring got to the point where it was possible.
20090520 10:34:51< Ivanovic> ah, you mean one thread per campaign, a subthread per scenario and so on?
20090520 10:35:07< esr> One thread per campaign.
20090520 10:36:06 * Ivanovic would prefer it more "tree like"
20090520 10:36:16< Ivanovic> including folders per campaign when storing
20090520 10:36:20< esr> One rthread per scenario would be possible, I suppose, but it would make the UI trickier.
20090520 10:36:26< Ivanovic> (afk, time for some tea)
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20090520 10:47:42< cjhopman> esr: sounds really nice.
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20090520 10:50:53< esr> cjhopman: Yes, no more humongous lists of saves most of which are irrelevant at any given time :-)
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20090520 11:08:05< euschn> YogiHH: I am currently thinking about the design of the new/merged game_state: One idea to make game_state less bloated would be to move the wml variable getters/setters to the superclass variable_set (which would be a cleaner design too imo) - what is your opinion on this?
20090520 11:09:16< euschn> there is also a todo in variable.cpp:41 that suggests separating variables and game_state more, via changing the variable repository type
20090520 11:18:53< YogiHH> euschn: i haven't looked at the code yet, but i think my approach would be a different one. What exactly is game_state doing with wml variables (and sound, team = side etc)?
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20090520 11:24:06< YogiHH> euschn: oh, wait, i just realized that what you asked has a different background
20090520 11:24:11< euschn> YogiHH: I am referring to the "custom" variables
20090520 11:24:21< YogiHH> euschn: one minute...
20090520 11:26:19< euschn> YogiHH: indeed, I just meant the setters/getters for the variables_ member of game_state, corresponding to http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/VariablesWML
20090520 11:31:33< YogiHH> euschn: are you familiar with Java or C#?
20090520 11:32:10< euschn> YogiHH: with Java yes, C# no im afraid
20090520 11:33:00< YogiHH> ok, so you know about interfaces, then. You can view at variable_set as the C++ equivalent of an interface.
20090520 11:33:24< euschn> YogiHH: yes, that was my thought aswell
20090520 11:33:27< YogiHH> The way it is designed, it only defines the behaviour, but not the data this behaviour operates on
20090520 11:34:11< YogiHH> there is another class, map_variable_set, that implements this interface as well, but does not work with config information
20090520 11:34:51< YogiHH> so i would not move the getters/setters of gamestate.variables to the interface, because the interface behaviour is supposed to have a broader scope
20090520 11:35:22< YogiHH> what you can do, though, is move get_variable and set_variable to the interface
20090520 11:35:36< YogiHH> in addition to get_variable_const
20090520 11:36:07< euschn> YogiHH: yes, I was aware that that change would take variable_set form an "interface" to a proper superclass - I admit I did not think of map_variable_set
20090520 11:36:30< YogiHH> np :-)
20090520 11:36:31< CIA-30> esr * r35769 /trunk/src/savegame.cpp: Simplify parent-setting code.
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20090520 11:41:21< euschn> im off irc for 2-3 hours, will be back in the afternoon
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20090520 12:03:23< CIA-30> esr * r35770 /trunk/src/ (dialogs.cpp savegame.cpp): 
20090520 12:03:23< CIA-30> Simplify parent assignment still further, and compute the inverse relationship
20090520 12:03:23< CIA-30> in the initializatoopn of the load_game dialog (it's not used yet).
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20090520 16:06:35< Polarina> Can I get a plural form for the string "You have been defeated!"?
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20090520 16:07:59< Polarina> It's when a multiplayer game is lost with more than one player.
20090520 16:08:05< Polarina> Thanks in advance. :)
20090520 16:12:24< Soliton> pretty much the definition of multiplayer is a game with more than one player.
20090520 16:13:52< loonycyborg> Soliton: Perhaps Polarina meant more than one player on your side? :P
20090520 16:14:06< Polarina> Soliton: You can create a local game with only you and AI.
20090520 16:14:36< Soliton> so an AI is not a player?
20090520 16:15:17< Soliton> either way though wesnoth has no idea who else lost or won.
20090520 16:15:21< Polarina> Soliton: Yes, technically, but that is not counted when deciding is a string is to be a plural or not.
20090520 16:15:53< Soliton> you mean you wold like it not to be counted?
20090520 16:16:06< Polarina> Soliton: No, not the AI, only human players.
20090520 16:16:49< Polarina> Counting the number of players on the team that lost.
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20090520 16:17:16< Soliton> teams don't lose sides do.
20090520 16:17:41< Polarina> Or that.
20090520 16:18:02< Soliton> (sides are always one player..)
20090520 16:18:56< Polarina> I was playing a local game with another friend of mine, and the string appeared in singular, which just wasn't appropriate.
20090520 16:19:39< Soliton> you were both in one team?
20090520 16:19:47< Polarina> Soliton: Yes, playing Team Survival.
20090520 16:22:24< Soliton> well, as i said one of you might have won and the other lost still.
20090520 16:22:55< Soliton> but wesnoth has no idea anyway when displaying that string.
20090520 16:23:10< Soliton> it just knows about its own side.
20090520 16:26:23< YogiHH> euschn: which program are you using for creating UML diagrams?
20090520 16:28:06< euschn> YogiHH: Dia under linux
20090520 16:28:37< euschn> though i think there is a windows version of it aswell
20090520 16:31:39< YogiHH> i used StarUML so far and i am very satisfied with it. I was just thinking if it makes sense to use the same programs.
20090520 16:32:17< YogiHH> Is Dia open source as well?
20090520 16:35:43< loonycyborg> YogiHH: Yep.
20090520 16:36:41< YogiHH> euschn: ok, i will take a look at Dia, then.
20090520 16:37:04< loonycyborg> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarUML <- it says that StarUML isn't maintained anymore.
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20090520 16:38:44< euschn> YogiHH: Dia is just a basic diagram editor, StarUML seems to have a lot more features - if you prefer that I can have a look at it aswell
20090520 16:38:50< YogiHH> loonycyborg: that's pretty much possible, i haven't seen a new version for a long time. But it is more or less a finished product, ready to seriously work with
20090520 16:39:34< YogiHH> euschn: StarUML has reverse engineering, which can save you a lot of time now and then
20090520 16:39:53< euschn> YogiHH: I see
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20090520 17:46:30< boucman> hey all
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20090520 18:07:20< YogiHH> hi boucman
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20090520 18:19:09< silene> hi
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20090520 18:29:37< Crab_> hi
20090520 18:29:43< mordante> servus
20090520 18:29:44< boucman> hey Crab_
20090520 18:29:53< boucman> when do you intend to commit ?
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20090520 18:30:28< mordante> Ivanovic, does Wesnoth compile with autotools set to strict compilation?
20090520 18:31:17< Crab_> boucman: 1st part - as soon as I fix one link error and review. 
20090520 18:31:28< boucman> tonight ?
20090520 18:32:01< mordante> for me it compiles with strict with both boost 1.35 and 1.38 (didn't test 1.37)
20090520 18:32:24< Crab_> I hope so.
20090520 18:33:14< mordante> that commit "fixed" the g++-4.4 breakage for me, so wesnoth no longer compiles strictly with 4.4
20090520 18:33:26< CIA-30> boucman * r35771 /trunk/src/ (display.cpp display.hpp unit.hpp): fix idle anims not finishing correctly
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20090520 19:14:02< CIA-30> mordante * r35772 /trunk/ (CMakeLists.txt changelog): 
20090520 19:14:02< CIA-30> Let cmake also use the environment variables.
20090520 19:14:02< CIA-30> It now uses CXXFLAGS and CFLAGS like autotools.
20090520 19:15:21< mordante> ilor, I'm sure they leave 4 + 5 * 3 + 1 warnings  for gcc 4.5, 4.4 already has another breaking bug for wesnoth ;-)
20090520 19:15:34< ilor> mordante: what is it? :)
20090520 19:16:44< mordante> http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=40156
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20090520 19:24:10< Crab_> boucman: ok, I've solved my linking issues. Will commit 1st part later today (in ~4 hours)
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20090520 19:43:28< boucman> k, good
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20090520 20:08:51< Ivanovic> mordante: for strict compilation is there any extra switch neeeded with autotools?
20090520 20:09:07< Ivanovic> if it is automatically used then yes, it does work with strict compilation using autotools
20090520 20:09:36< Ivanovic> (yes, the cmake recipe is still broken in head for me due to strict compilation)
20090520 20:12:11< loonycyborg> Strict compilation works for me with scons, gcc 4.3.2 and boost 1.37
20090520 20:12:41< silene> Ivanovic: with autotools, strict compilation is the default
20090520 20:12:47< loonycyborg> Though there are some unfixable bogus gcc warnings with 4.4.0
20090520 20:13:20< mordante> Ivanovic, yes strict compilation is the default in autotools
20090520 20:14:13< Ivanovic> mordante: then it is really strange since i can compile wesnoth using autotools but not using cmake due to strict compilation
20090520 20:14:37< mordante> and both use the same boost version (in case you have several installed)
20090520 20:14:52< Ivanovic> yeah, both use 1.37.0
20090520 20:21:26< mordante> I'm puzzled that it works with autotools, but maybe disable strict compilation at your site to fix it
20090520 20:21:49< Ivanovic> mordante: this i somehow don't call "fix"
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20090520 20:22:37< Ivanovic> http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/m28f4e06e
20090520 20:22:53< Ivanovic> reran it with latest trunk and make verbose=1
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20090520 20:24:09< norbert_> yo
20090520 20:24:31< norbert_> hi all; I just compiled 1.7.0 from source and tried Delfador's Memoirs, but it doesn't load saved games properly - I get an: Error while playing the game: game_error: Unknown unit type 'Journeyman Mage' - http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/3909/dmfail.png
20090520 20:28:26< loonycyborg> norbert_: Are you using mainline DM? Perhaps you still have it installed as an addon?
20090520 20:28:32< mordante> Ivanovic, can you also post autotools output for that file?
20090520 20:28:45< Ivanovic> mordante: already working on it, takes a while...
20090520 20:29:09< norbert_> loonycyborg: I had nothing of wesnoth on my pc and /just/ compiled and installed 1.7.0 from scratch
20090520 20:30:24< loonycyborg> DM seems to work for me with latest trunk.
20090520 20:31:00< norbert_> I downloaded http://downloads.sourceforge.net/wesnoth/wesnoth-1.7.0.tar.bz2?download
20090520 20:31:01< norbert_> just now
20090520 20:31:04< Ivanovic> http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/m7c955978
20090520 20:31:26< loonycyborg> Ah. You  mentioned loading saved games..
20090520 20:31:29 * loonycyborg tests
20090520 20:32:12< norbert_> yeah, I'm playing on Hard and decided to load Turn 5 in This Valley Belongs to Me
20090520 20:32:25< norbert_> but it also fails when I load an earlier Auto-Save
20090520 20:32:27< loonycyborg> Loading first-time autosave worked for me.
20090520 20:32:36< loonycyborg> *first turn
20090520 20:32:48< norbert_> well, maybe you're just luckier than me :)
20090520 20:33:35< norbert_> now things get even worse
20090520 20:33:41< norbert_> a Segmentation fault
20090520 20:33:46< norbert_> 20090520 20:33:22 error engine: cannot recall a unit for side 1, which has no recall list!
20090520 20:34:19< norbert_> but I didn't recal, I used Ctrl-R (recruit)
20090520 20:34:25< norbert_> *recall
20090520 20:34:39< norbert_> hmm...
20090520 20:35:21< norbert_> I guess I'll just have to play the whole thing without loading or saving anything... on Hard... :) now that's a challenge that I can look forward to
20090520 20:35:26< mordante> Ivanovic, and both usr/lib64/ccache/bin/c++ and g++ point to the same compiler?  
20090520 20:35:36 * loonycyborg is definitely luckier since he's trying that with trunk which supposed to be less stable that releases :P
20090520 20:36:00< Ivanovic> $ which g++
20090520 20:36:01< Ivanovic> /usr/lib/ccache/bin/g++
20090520 20:36:54< norbert_> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 2009-01-13 23:03 /usr/bin/g++ -> g++-4.3
20090520 20:37:21< Ivanovic> mordante: yes, both are symlinks pointing to /usr/bin/ccache
20090520 20:37:21< norbert_> different location here; and g++-4.3 is just -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 209952 2008-12-31 13:51 g++-4.3
20090520 20:37:26< Ivanovic> so in fact both use the same compiler
20090520 20:37:27< mordante> and usr/lib64/ccache/bin/c++?
20090520 20:38:00< norbert_> anyways, I'm off... just wanted to let ya'll known that DM failed here... but I can still play it - just no loading and saving :)
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20090520 21:01:02< mordante> Ivanovic, what is usr/lib64/ccache/bin/c++ linked to?
20090520 21:01:23< Ivanovic> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 11. Mär 15:11 /usr/lib64/ccache/bin/c++ -> /usr/bin/ccache
20090520 21:01:44< Ivanovic> exactly the same as /usr/lib/ccache/bin/g++
20090520 21:02:16< Ivanovic> and ccache uses gcc-4.3.3
20090520 21:04:00< mordante> really odd :-/
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20090520 21:12:23< silene> how come i can drag and drop buttons in the multiplayer lobby?!
20090520 21:13:02< Soliton> so you can switch players.
20090520 21:13:35< Soliton> s/switch/swap/
20090520 21:13:43< silene> that's what i hoped, but nothing happened
20090520 21:14:01< silene> the button just went back to its original position
20090520 21:14:32< Soliton> works here.
20090520 21:15:01< Soliton> you have to drag it onto anyother players button.
20090520 21:15:15< silene> strange
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20090520 21:21:09< zookeeper> if anyone still bothers to deal with the 1.4 add-on server, there's an add-on called "unknown" which is basically empty, should be deleted.
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20090520 21:28:15< Soliton> done.
20090520 21:28:35< zookeeper> thanks
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20090520 21:54:09< esr> I have just posted to the ML on thread-aware game loading.  Everyone with an interest in our UI should read, xconsider it, and perhaps respond.
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20090520 22:07:55< [Relic]> Hello :)
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20090520 22:11:30< boucman> :(
20090520 22:11:37< boucman> I have found the cause of my problem...
20090520 22:11:48< boucman> my motherboard is incompatible with my cpu 
20090520 22:11:50< boucman> darn
20090520 22:13:48< zookeeper> sounds like a problem indeed
20090520 22:14:08< boucman> caping the cpufreq at 2.4ghz instead of 3.2 seems to help, though
20090520 22:14:12< boucman> testing
20090520 22:14:44< boucman> or not :(
20090520 22:15:51< Noyga> check if there is bios updates, it may help
20090520 22:15:59< boucman> aparently not
20090520 22:16:15< boucman> my cpu requires more watts that the MB can provide
20090520 22:16:40< Noyga> :/
20090520 22:16:49< boucman> what's really annoying is that I didn't build my pc myself, I bought it as a pack
20090520 22:17:00< boucman> ok 2Ghz seems to work... testing some more
20090520 22:17:05< boucman> at least i'm able to compile
20090520 22:18:34< boucman> esr: around ?
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20090520 22:19:25< ilor> updating my ubuntu install wasn't the brightest idea of the evening
20090520 22:19:39 * boucman just had the same problem
20090520 22:19:45< ilor> everything went well until after the reboot I no longer had wifi
20090520 22:19:46< boucman> though I wouldn't blame ubuntu in my case
20090520 22:20:50< ilor> I blame ubuntu for magically removing all wifi guis, and sorry, I don't remember how to connect via the shell to a wpa access point
20090520 22:21:12< boucman> ilor: don't you have the network-manager icon on the top menu bar ?
20090520 22:21:18< boucman> it was there for me..
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20090520 22:22:07< ilor> I'm on windows atm, don't have a wire laying around
20090520 22:22:36< esr> boucman: Yes.
20090520 22:23:37< boucman> gimme a sec, I had a criticism of your proposal, but I might have misunderstood... rereading
20090520 22:24:51< boucman> ok
20090520 22:25:00< boucman> I have two problems...
20090520 22:25:04< esr> ?
20090520 22:25:30< boucman> (I really like the concept of thread saves, I'm just not sure about the UI design, that's what I want to discuss)
20090520 22:25:47< esr> I'm listening.
20090520 22:25:54< boucman> 1) how would you handle savegames that are ancestors of multiple tips...
20090520 22:26:14< boucman> especially when those tips are unfolded... would they display twice ?
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20090520 22:27:29< esr> boucman: I need to think about whether that can ever happen...wait...
20090520 22:27:37< boucman> sure...
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20090520 22:28:00< boucman> i'll wait for the second question, since it's (sort of) related
20090520 22:28:55< esr> Oh.  It can't happen when save namees are autogenerated, but I guess it can if you save manually to a non-default name.
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20090520 22:29:24< boucman> esr: not sure what you mean, let me explain it with the way I play
20090520 22:30:00< boucman> I could play for a couple of turns, (say up to turn seven) then come back to turn 5 and play a little more
20090520 22:30:16< boucman> that would create a save tree with two branches (assuming I save every turn
20090520 22:30:43< boucman> so how would you display saves of turns 1..5 which are ancestors of both branches
20090520 22:31:04< esr> Yes, but you'de have to save manually for the names in the second branch not to stomp[ the ones in the first.  That's what I meant.
20090520 22:31:30< boucman> esr: yes, but name conflict is not the problem I'm pointing...
20090520 22:31:44< esr> But I guess you're right that we have to deal with the general case.
20090520 22:31:46< boucman> it's the way you would display the common "trunk" in the load menu
20090520 22:31:58< esr> Right.
20090520 22:32:49< esr> Seems to me the menu needs to be able to represent the tree structure explicitly in the general case.  Ugh.  I so do not want to write that...
20090520 22:34:06< boucman> yeah, I'm afraid you need that :(
20090520 22:35:05< boucman> my second problem is that in the GUI tree paradigm, when folding a tree you expect to have the root displayed, not the tip(s) so a tree structure would be unintuitive
20090520 22:36:05< esr> Still, the tips are usually the focus of interest.  So we need a UI that highlights those.
20090520 22:36:11< boucman> i think that keeping the save structure internally, but displaying a simple "only show tip save" checkbox in the load dialog would be the best effort/usefullness ratio
20090520 22:36:36< boucman> or displaying non-tips saves in grey
20090520 22:37:08< boucman> the actual tree structure might not be that important from an UI point of view, the tip/non-tip info might be enough
20090520 22:37:42< esr> Hm, you may be right.  Are you volunteering to write it?  
20090520 22:38:03< boucman> nope :P
20090520 22:39:07< boucman> just pointing out UI issues as you asked in your mail :)
20090520 22:39:31 * Polarina wants some FLAC music.
20090520 22:39:35 * esr mutters  "Everybody's a comedian..." :-)
20090520 22:40:06 * stikonas agrees with Polarina, but composers provide only Vorbis
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