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20090523 00:21:51< Ivanovic> esr, fendrin: you should probably talk to zookeeper for converting DM to the new gold carryover system
20090523 00:21:53< Ivanovic> cf http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=25553&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a
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20090523 00:22:44< Ivanovic> time for me to head off to bed, n8
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20090523 00:36:51< CIA-77> ivanovic * r35832 /trunk/ (37 files in 19 dirs): updated Serbian translation
20090523 00:36:53< CIA-77> ivanovic * r35831 /branches/1.6/ (28 files in 14 dirs): updated Serbian translation
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20090523 00:40:23< esr> Ivanovic: I would have no objection to zookeeper doing the conversion, but I don't know how to do it myself.
20090523 00:45:03< Soliton> crimson_penguin: in 1.6 it says 'wesnothd_name="../MacOS/Wesnoth MP Server"' is that correct/needed?
20090523 00:45:58< crimson_penguin> well it was/is, but in 1.7 it didn't work for some reason, so I just changed the name of the exe to wesnothd, and it worked fine
20090523 00:48:13< Soliton> crimson_penguin: ok, so i leave that in 1.6 and remove it in trunk, right?
20090523 00:48:25< crimson_penguin> sure, that works
20090523 00:50:20< CIA-77> soliton * r35833 /branches/1.6/data/tools/addon_manager/html.py: made all paths relative to the addon manager dir
20090523 00:50:36< CIA-77> soliton * r35834 /branches/1.6/data/tools/addon_manager/html.py: added a note on how to manually install add-ons and a reminder that not all add-ons are campaigns..
20090523 00:52:55< CIA-77> soliton * r35835 /trunk/data/game_config.cfg: removed bogus wesnothd_name definition
20090523 00:53:28< CIA-77> soliton * r35836 /trunk/data/tools/addon_manager/html.py: made all paths relative to the addon manager dir
20090523 00:53:32< CIA-77> soliton * r35837 /trunk/data/tools/addon_manager/html.py: added a note on how to manually install add-ons and a reminder that not all add-ons are campaigns..
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20090523 01:10:11< CIA-77> ilor * r35838 /branches/1.6/src/editor2/editor_controller.cpp: Catch mapgen errors in editor, fixing bug #13549
20090523 01:12:29< CIA-77> ilor * r35839 /trunk/src/editor2/editor_controller.cpp: Catch mapgen errors in editor, fixing bug #13549
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20090523 02:28:34< CIA-77> soliton * r35840 /branches/1.6/data/tools/addon_manager/html.py: fixed some bugs with icon finding
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20090523 02:29:10< CIA-77> soliton * r35841 /trunk/data/tools/addon_manager/html.py: fixed some bugs with icon finding
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20090523 02:37:57< Shadow_Master> Mordante: re bug #13420, either live with it for a time or reassign it to someone else. I may not have time for it until July or August
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20090523 02:40:23< Shadow_Master> mordante: also: has anyone tried just removing the story screen code from either C++ or WML to check if it's actually related? it's not like I'm going to bother to do it since you can't even bother to give me proper suspicion reports nowadays.
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20090523 03:00:48< corn> Ivanovic: ok, thanks for the info
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20090523 08:27:13< euschn> hi
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20090523 09:49:55< YogiHH> hello everyone
20090523 09:50:28< YogiHH> euschn: ready to go?
20090523 09:50:43< euschn> hi YogiHH - yes I am
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20090523 10:13:36< Ivanovic> moin
20090523 10:14:10< Ivanovic> zookeeper: have you seen http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=25553&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a ?
20090523 10:14:32< Ivanovic> zookeeper: i already pointed esr to it and he said that he would be fine with you doing the conversion since he has no idea how to do so
20090523 10:14:45< Ivanovic> (conversion of old gold carryover to new one)
20090523 10:16:13< zookeeper> now i have
20090523 10:16:59< zookeeper> fine, i can try to do the conversion sometime soon (early next week), but i've already pointed esr to the required details at least twice in the past ;)
20090523 10:17:11< Ivanovic> :)
20090523 10:17:16< Ivanovic> thanks for looking into it
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20090523 10:30:52< mordante> morning
20090523 10:33:02< Ivanovic> hi mordante
20090523 10:33:24< mordante> hi Ivanovic 
20090523 10:33:28< zookeeper> i don't think i got an answer the last time: was the forum change to make the [code][/code] fields have a short max height and scrollbars an intentional change?
20090523 10:33:59< Ivanovic> zookeeper: i don't know
20090523 10:34:50< mordante> Shadow_Master, not sure what you mean with a "proper suspicion reports nowadays" but it's in an area you worked on last
20090523 10:35:20< mordante> Shadow_Master and with that attitude I can reassign more as half of the bugs assigned to me :-|
20090523 10:36:23< mordante> Shadow_Master and maybe you noticed I'm still rather busy with the gui so have no time to work on it as well
20090523 10:38:07< mordante> Shadow_Master and if you don't have time to work on Wesnoth the next several months it would be wise to either fix or disable the new story screens for now
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20090523 11:05:28< CIA-77> mordante * r35842 /trunk/src/gui/auxiliary/ (window_builder.cpp window_builder_private.hpp): Export the wrap to WML.
20090523 11:09:56< Ivanovic> wesbot: topic
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20090523 11:17:57< CIA-77> mordante * r35843 /trunk/ (9 files in 4 dirs): 
20090523 11:17:57< CIA-77> Add a very crude proof-of-concept multi page widget.
20090523 11:17:57< CIA-77> The widget is used in the campaign selection dialog, which doesn't work
20090523 11:17:57< CIA-77> properly (but is only used with --new-widgets). The code still needs a lot of
20090523 11:17:57< CIA-77> polishing and testing, which will be done later.
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20090523 11:41:46< fabi> hi mordante
20090523 11:42:20< mordante> hi fabi 
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20090523 11:50:15< CIA-77> mordante * r35844 /trunk/src/ (11 files in 3 dirs): 
20090523 11:50:15< CIA-77> gui::message_dialog -> gui2::show_transient_message.
20090523 11:50:15< CIA-77> The simple class without buttons are converted to the new
20090523 11:50:15< CIA-77> gui2::show_transient_message. (Note the blurring is not yet implemented
20090523 11:50:15< CIA-77> in gui2, but is on my todo list.)
20090523 11:50:26< mordante> I'm off now, will be back later this afternoon
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20090523 13:50:12< mordante> servus
20090523 13:53:19< Ivanovic> wb mordante
20090523 13:53:25< mordante> hi Ivanovic 
20090523 14:13:32< mordante> Ivanovic, did you ever get around testing the pot-update in cmake?
20090523 14:13:44< Ivanovic> no, not so far
20090523 14:14:05< Ivanovic> mordante: can you give me a short info how it is supposed to work/be used?
20090523 14:14:21< mordante> make pot-update2 should do the trick
20090523 14:14:21< Ivanovic> (as in: can start it out of tree, ...)
20090523 14:14:59< mordante> haven't looked at it much lately but otherwise I'll retest after another trunk pot-update
20090523 14:15:16< mordante> btw is there a good reason the mo files are called gmo files?
20090523 14:16:27< CIA-77> ivanovic * r35845 /trunk/po/wesnoth/POTFILES.in: add new src files to POTFILES.in
20090523 14:16:30< Ivanovic> they are created with the gnu gettext tools
20090523 14:16:34< Ivanovic> that is the only reason IIRC
20090523 14:17:40< Ivanovic> ehm, i can't do a pot-update2
20090523 14:17:53< Ivanovic> that is: when calling this from my cmake compile dir i get "no rule to make target"
20090523 14:17:55< mordante> ok the I create them as mo files 
20090523 14:18:35< Ivanovic> with other words: the target does not seem to work atm...
20090523 14:18:50< mordante> there's a special cmake flag to set in order to enable the target ENABLE_POT_UPDATE_TARGET
20090523 14:23:10< Ivanovic> okay, the pot-update itself seems to work
20090523 14:23:20< Ivanovic> though no stats are put out about the files
20090523 14:23:51< Ivanovic> what is the status of updating/creating manual and manpages?
20090523 14:25:36< mordante> it doesn't do them yet, first want to get the 'simple' part working properly
20090523 14:26:17< Ivanovic> the simple part seems to work
20090523 14:26:59< Ivanovic> though what would be nice to have is a simple way to iterate over the dirs and only update (and compile) the language files of a specific langcode
20090523 14:27:03< mordante> cool :-)
20090523 14:27:15< Ivanovic> and yeah, part of this is telling me the stats for the files
20090523 14:28:10< mordante> so you prefer to have a separate target per lang eg pot-update-de_DE ?
20090523 14:28:22< Ivanovic> my current procedure is this (UPDIR being the trunk root and $2 the langcode):
20090523 14:28:33< Ivanovic> cd $UPDIR/po && for i in wesnoth* ; do cd $i; $UPDIR/utils/pofix.py $2.po; make $2.po-update; make $2.gmo; cd .. ; done
20090523 14:28:54< Ivanovic> mordante: i need this command when i receive updates
20090523 14:29:33< Ivanovic> when i receive an update i just copy the po files into the trunk structure and run those commands above to update all the files (no, i don't select single files, i always do all of them)
20090523 14:30:27< Ivanovic> (since i do so in a script i don't care much if this is one command or 10 commands, though some rather simple way is always welcome)
20090523 14:31:41< mordante> ok guess that means I've to tune things a bit more
20090523 14:31:52< Ivanovic> yeah, probably
20090523 14:32:00< Ivanovic> though in general i do not need those commands per single po file
20090523 14:32:15< Ivanovic> having the commands per complete language would be perfectly fine and more than adequat
20090523 14:32:59< Ivanovic> so listing the commands i basically need:
20090523 14:33:08< mordante> great, that will reduce the insane amount of targets for cmake ;-)
20090523 14:33:11< mordante> :-) *
20090523 14:33:31< Ivanovic> 1) update the "normal" reference files (pot files not involving po4a) and update all po files against those
20090523 14:33:41< Ivanovic> 2) update all po files of langcode AB
20090523 14:34:14< Ivanovic> (all including merging of the wesnoth-manpages and wesnoth-manual files against the respective pot but not generating manual or manpages)
20090523 14:35:05< Ivanovic> 3) extract the lastest strings out of the manual/manpages (update those po4a relevant pot-files), merge the po files against those updated pot-files and generate the doc files for all langs
20090523 14:35:20< Ivanovic> (3 is the equivalent to "make update-po4a" in trunk autotools)
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20090523 14:37:39< Ivanovic> and yeah, 1) and 2) should output some stats of the files, as the current single commands in autotools do (stats are generated with "make LANGCODE.gmo" IIRC)
20090523 14:39:35< loonycyborg> Ivanovic: You mean like "265 translated messages, 93 fuzzy translations, 103 untranslated messages"?
20090523 14:40:13< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: correct
20090523 14:41:52< Ivanovic> ettin_: around?
20090523 14:41:53< loonycyborg> scons already does all that with the exception of update-po4a not generating manual and pot-update updating po4a reference files.
20090523 14:42:34< loonycyborg> Both can be fixed..
20090523 14:44:05< mordante> ok will try to find some time to work on it next week
20090523 14:44:11< Ivanovic> mordante: great
20090523 14:47:57< mordante> adding the stat output is easy but looks ugly as hell, I think I only enable it if you set the ENABLE_POT_UPDATE_TARGET flag
20090523 14:48:19< mordante> I think it has no use for the average user and only clutters the output
20090523 14:50:22< mordante> Ivanovic, what's your opinion always or only for you? http://paste.debian.net/36860/
20090523 14:51:21< mordante> it only does it for the new mo targets, but I still need to cleanup the gmo and mo creation
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20090523 14:51:37< mordante> thought I did but stikonas noticed I didn't ;-)
20090523 14:51:39< mordante> hi ilor 
20090523 14:51:43< ilor> hi mordante
20090523 14:52:07< mordante> ilor, I started to work on a multi page widget which will be the basis for the tabcontrol :-)
20090523 14:52:13< ilor> nice ;)
20090523 14:53:11< mordante> still needs a fair bit of work, but at least we can now promote it to WIP ;-)
20090523 14:55:55< Ivanovic> esr: i just tried to run a pot-update on trunk using data/tools/wmlxgettext instead of utils/wmlxgettet and "it does not work": http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/m2ec4d698
20090523 14:56:07< Ivanovic> esr: basically it does not find src/wesconfig.h
20090523 15:00:37< loonycyborg> Actually, I've misremembered. "scons update-po4a" does regenerate manual.
20090523 15:03:04< loonycyborg> Ivanovic: Perhaps you should try with scons. It runs all commands from wesnoth root :P
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20090523 15:26:57< CIA-77> soliton * r35846 /trunk/utils/mp-server/ (run_campaignd run_server): removed some bashisms
20090523 15:27:07< CIA-77> soliton * r35847 /trunk/utils/mp-server/new_release: made script more portable and removed bash requirement
20090523 15:27:15< Soliton> hi allefant
20090523 15:29:34< Ivanovic> mordante: since you work on the gui stuff, are there plans to add mouse over support over the "content type" text in the addon download dialog?
20090523 15:29:43< Ivanovic> basically stating what era means and stuff like this
20090523 15:30:16< Ivanovic> (since there are users downloading eras thinking those are campaigns, with a small mouseover for the stuff this *might* be possible to get around more often
20090523 15:30:17< mordante> Ivanovic, tooltips are still on my todo list so yes I can add that feature
20090523 15:30:39< Ivanovic> great, would be nice if you added it to your todo list
20090523 15:30:48< mordante> you're optimistic about that mystic thing called reading ;-)
20090523 15:31:10< Soliton> heh, that is exactly what i was going to ask allefant about for the web interface!
20090523 15:31:14< Ivanovic> at least we can then say "the info is in the game, just use your mouse, young padawan"
20090523 15:32:05< mordante> :-)
20090523 15:32:11< allefant> hi Soliton 
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20090523 15:33:10< allefant> anything needs to be done to the units web interface?
20090523 15:33:16< Soliton> allefant: how would one go about adding mouse over stuff for the different addon types on the web interface?
20090523 15:33:28< Soliton> allefant: no, addon web interface.
20090523 15:34:04< allefant> just add a css property
20090523 15:34:51< Soliton> would that work to make a specific text when you hover over a campaign addon vs an era addon?
20090523 15:34:52< allefant> what should it say?
20090523 15:35:05< Soliton> good question..
20090523 15:35:40< allefant> it already has mouse over for the icons: http://www.wesnoth.org/addons/trunk/
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20090523 15:37:50< Soliton> yeah, i know. i forgot why i thought it was difficult...
20090523 15:38:56< Soliton> let's start with something simple like: campaign - a single player campaign; after install it'll show up in the list you get when choosing "campaign" in the main menu.
20090523 15:42:50< CIA-77> mordante * r35848 /trunk/po/CMakeLists.txt: 
20090523 15:42:50< CIA-77> Add more verbose info to the mo generation.
20090523 15:42:50< CIA-77> This is added upon Ivanovic's request and since the output looks
20090523 15:42:50< CIA-77> horrible it's only enabled if ENABLE_POT_UPDATE_TARGET is enabled.
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20090523 15:47:56< Soliton> allefant: would you implement that or should i?
20090523 15:49:31< allefant> i can
20090523 15:49:42< allefant> hovering over what should display that?
20090523 15:51:26< Soliton> the type string: "campaign", "campaign_mp", etc.
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20090523 16:12:56< allefant> Soliton: seems I'm too busy right now to concentrate on this for a few minutes... :/
20090523 16:13:38< Soliton> allefant: no problem. i think i know how to do it. i'll probably get around to it later.
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20090523 17:18:36< Crab_> hi
20090523 17:20:40< mordante> hi Crab_ 
20090523 17:20:48< Crab_> hi mordante
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20090523 18:40:06< mordante> I'm off bye
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20090523 20:10:40< Guest12113> mordante: it's up to esr whether to disable it or not. If it gets disabled, certain functionality introduced at WML level will disppear too.
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20090523 20:12:43< Shadow_Master_> and no, I don't have time to fix it, really. I barely have time to *live* now.
20090523 20:13:38< Shadow_Master_> more things to do and I think I'll collapse and end up in a mental hospital after attempting to commit suicide
20090523 20:14:00< Shadow_Master_> that's all I have to say until esr decides something
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20090523 20:44:11< fendrin> esr: I got mail from Santi from which a forward is waiting in your forum pm inbox.
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20090523 21:26:23< [Relic]> Hello :)
20090523 21:26:34< loonycyborg> Hi :)
20090523 21:27:01< [Relic]> :)
20090523 21:35:25< zookeeper> we seem to be getting a healthy dose of this wiki spam: http://www.wesnoth.org/mw/index.php?title=TheEasternInvasion&curid=1536&diff=30584&oldid=27532&rcid=29335
20090523 21:35:48< zookeeper> ...way too much
20090523 21:41:19< zookeeper> i won't bother to block those accounts, looks like they're used only once anyway
20090523 21:41:23< zookeeper> so i'll just undo them all
20090523 21:52:43< thespaceinvader> anyone about who can address this: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=25590 ?
20090523 21:54:00< zookeeper> i might
20090523 21:54:43< zookeeper> well, i'm not going to post right now, but i think it's an ok idea.
20090523 21:55:37< zookeeper> the only things to check that i can think of is whether resistance-affecting effects and abilities need some extra controls for specifying caps
20090523 21:55:41< thespaceinvader> yeah - it seems fine to me, but i don't know anything about the coding aspects, so who knows
20090523 21:55:49< zookeeper> sure, i don't either :p
20090523 21:55:54< thespaceinvader> would it be worth telling him to submint an FR?
20090523 21:56:42< zookeeper> sure
20090523 21:57:09< zookeeper> maybe some details need to be worked out, maybe not, but it's a sound request if you ask me
20090523 22:00:12< Crab_> thespaceinvader, zookeeper:  this idea (if implemented) introduces a consistency problem: should the player be allowed to attack (and thus, heal) his own units or allied units, in situations, where the attack will heal them ?
20090523 22:00:48< thespaceinvader> Crab_: interesting question
20090523 22:01:08< Crab_> (and should this 'attack' have 100% to hit ? - for it makes no sense to defend against it :) )
20090523 22:01:19< thespaceinvader> i'd say probably not, since that ability would be very difficult to code
20090523 22:01:49< Crab_> what exactly would be 'very difficult to code' ?
20090523 22:01:56< thespaceinvader> it's one of those situations where i'd say having the ability in the code to get healing from attacks you have 100+ resists to would be nice, but you'd have to be careful where to use it
20090523 22:01:58< thespaceinvader> iunno
20090523 22:02:05< thespaceinvader> i'm not a coder, i'm assuming these things
20090523 22:02:14< thespaceinvader> i'm happy to be proven wrong...
20090523 22:03:12< thespaceinvader> it's a big can of worms, though - if you add the ability to do friendly fire attacks, should all units be able to do it to all other units?  How do the mechanics of it work?  How do you prevent stupid people from kiling their entire armies with it...?
20090523 22:04:10< thespaceinvader> the way i'd work it would be simply to implement it only in factions which don't have the damage type which one of their units has healing-level resists to
20090523 22:04:23< thespaceinvader> or in factions which have decent healers available anyway
20090523 22:05:18< Crab_> thespaceinvader: we cannot guarantee that for UMC, such as user-made eras :)
20090523 22:05:27< thespaceinvader> well, true
20090523 22:05:34< Crab_> thespaceinvader: so, you're right that 'implementing it is a big can of worms'
20090523 22:05:49< thespaceinvader> but then, you can't guarantee someone in UMC won't make 300-50 berserk attacks :P
20090523 22:06:08< Crab_> thespaceinvader: thats ok :)
20090523 22:06:58< thespaceinvader> it's certainly something worth considering, anyway, i think
20090523 22:07:06< thespaceinvader> but then, i'm just an artist ;)
20090523 22:07:24< Crab_> thespaceinvader: I think that's not worth it. for resistances are known.
20090523 22:07:45< thespaceinvader> eh?
20090523 22:07:55< Crab_> imagine that you're a fire-breathing dragon. and a knight which is healed with fire, comes to you. Will you ever attack the knight with fire ?
20090523 22:08:39< thespaceinvader> true, true
20090523 22:09:03< thespaceinvader> however, when you can't not retaliate when said knight attacks you, you don't have much choice...
20090523 22:09:27< thespaceinvader> such units would be an interesting challenge to eliminate, actually
20090523 22:09:32< Crab_> thespaceinvader: why do you have to retaliate ? from a common-sense point of view ?
20090523 22:09:37< Soliton> which then begs the question why you don't have a choice!
20090523 22:09:47< thespaceinvader> from a common-sense point of view, you don't
20090523 22:09:52< thespaceinvader> but WINR
20090523 22:10:48< Soliton> nevertheless we'd like for it to make some sense and not add arbitrary weird rules for no reason.
20090523 22:11:49< thespaceinvader> yeah, true
20090523 22:11:55< Crab_> Soliton: " which then begs the question why you don't have a choice!" -> it is current limitation of the game engine, and it makes the game (especially MP) quicker.
20090523 22:12:04< thespaceinvader> or, not any more, anyway...
20090523 22:13:21< Soliton> Crab_: i wouldn't call that a limitation unless all game rules are limitations..
20090523 22:13:47< Soliton> and with the current rules it does not beg said qestion.
20090523 22:13:48< Crab_> Soliton: it is not a 'game rule', it's a *decision*. 
20090523 22:14:02< Crab_> Soliton: the defender weapon is chosen by the engine.
20090523 22:14:40< Soliton> a design decision, yes.
20090523 22:14:49< Soliton> which i call 'game rules'.
20090523 22:15:56< Crab_> Soliton: ok.
20090523 22:22:23< Soliton> i don't see any convincing idea for which support for resistances over 100% is needed in that thread.
20090523 22:24:08< Crab_> and note that the current "defensive weapon selection" algorithm will not ever choose an weapon which will 'heal' the enemy, if it has any other alternatives.
20090523 22:25:11< Crab_> so, if we add a 'do nothing' attack to every unit, then 'resistances over 100% - heal' will not ever come into play.
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20090523 22:26:16< Crab_> (except in some specific cases where poison is involved)
20090523 22:29:53< Soliton> the other thing is the always-do-at-least-one-damage point rule which i suppose we could rethink... but it's also there for a reason.
20090523 22:36:21< Soliton> hmm, clever that you have to write 'campaign_mp' to classify a 'MP Campaign' (how it displays in the list).
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20090523 22:57:08< PK> heeey zookeeper
20090523 22:57:18< PK> what exactly goes in a terrain-graphics.cfg ?
20090523 22:57:43< PK> the wiki didn't help me at all.
20090523 23:12:48< Soliton> you're likely beyond help then.
20090523 23:13:18< PK> dang. >>
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20090523 23:26:57< KidpunkX> hey where can i find the picture of merman hunter?
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20090523 23:36:38< Soliton> unit image or portrait?
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