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20090526 00:42:59< Soliton> alink: 'Actually looking at it I /do/ have a feature request: horizontal scrolling when using an Apple "Mighty Mouse".' -- some guy in #wesnoth
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20090526 00:58:49< ilor_> Soliton: iirc horizontal mouse scroll via a secind scroll wheel or equivalent is not in wesnoth because it's not in sdl
20090526 00:59:22< Soliton> ilor_: yeah, i think so. wanted to make sure.
20090526 01:07:02< alink> horizontal mouse scroll is already supposed to be supported.
20090526 01:07:06< alink> I don't have such mouse, but at least on Xorg, if it send mouse buttons events like vertical mousewheel, it should work
20090526 01:07:12< alink> IIRC the initial patch was sent by a 2 mousewheel user
20090526 01:07:16< alink> no idea about the Apple "Mighty Mouse" thing
20090526 01:07:18< alink> having one coder with such mouse could help but i guess i can try googling SDL about that
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20090526 01:08:58< alink> lol, always the same thing when i google SDL stuff, I get wesnoth result :-/
20090526 01:11:15< alink> wesbot bug 11611
20090526 01:11:15< wesbot> Bug #11611  Assigned to: None  Status: None  Priority: 5 - Normal
20090526 01:11:15< wesbot> Summary: Support for multidirectional scrolling devices
20090526 01:11:15< wesbot> Original submission: Apple Mighty Mouse (default mouse for a desctop Mac) has 
20090526 01:11:18< wesbot> a scrolling ball and MacBooks have touchpads that support scrolling in both dire
20090526 01:11:22< wesbot> URL: https://gna.org/bugs/?11611
20090526 01:14:03< alink> I a mouse doesn't send SDL button events 6 and 7 when doing horizontal scrolling but send other button numbers, then it could be easy to fix
20090526 01:14:18< alink> s/I/if
20090526 01:16:33< Soliton> yeah, works fine with my trackpad scroll buttons.
20090526 01:16:53< alink> good, thanks for the check
20090526 01:17:40< Soliton> scrolling with keys is a bit smoother though. maybe the same step size could be used?
20090526 01:18:45< alink> Soliton: maybe but they are two different things, you can't keep a mouswheel button pressed like you do with keys
20090526 01:19:26< alink> the scroll speed setting affect it btw
20090526 01:19:38< Soliton> well, actually i can. :-P
20090526 01:21:06< Soliton> (i understand what you mean of course.)
20090526 01:21:21< alink> I hoped that :)
20090526 01:22:22< alink> anyway, scrollwheel sensibility are so different between mouse that i suspect it's hard to choose the perfect default setting
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20090526 01:24:44< alink> I one thing that i want to improve is the middle button scrolling. It's the only one allowing to precisely control speed and direction, but it needs more polishing
20090526 01:25:31< alink> like special cursor and maybe base it on the initial clicked position instead of screen center
20090526 01:26:51< Soliton> hmm, that one needs a special cursor.
20090526 01:27:01< Soliton> err, yeah...
20090526 01:28:19< alink> yeah, initially it used only click actions, but now that we keep it pressed, a cursor would help 
20090526 01:28:48< alink> scrolling cursor could also be useful for screen border mouse scrolling
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20090526 01:29:27< Soliton> indeed, though everyone knows that behaviour.
20090526 01:30:02< alink> but SDL seems a bit glitchy for cursor leasing the screen, having a fancy arrow cursor on your desktop could be annoying
20090526 01:30:20< Soliton> could make a request on the forum. should be easy to make i'd imagine.
20090526 01:30:24< alink> (SDL or some desktop engine)
20090526 01:30:47< alink> s/leasing/leaving
20090526 01:32:04< alink> mmmh only use it for color cursor will avoid any SDL surprise
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20090526 04:42:11< CIA-77> esr * r35889 /trunk/data/core/units/humans/Loyalist_Spearman.cfg: Address bug #13571: Missing Spearman hit sounds.
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20090526 08:41:24< euschn> hi
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20090526 08:43:57< YogiHH> hi euschn
20090526 08:44:24< YogiHH> euschn: At university, do they teach you about GoF-Patterns these days?
20090526 08:44:56< euschn> YogiHH: GoF does not ring a bell right now
20090526 08:45:44< euschn> ah you mean gang of four
20090526 08:45:56< YogiHH> yup
20090526 08:46:02< euschn> well, a bit, but not much in-depth
20090526 08:46:19< YogiHH> are you familiar with the singleton pattern?
20090526 08:46:30< euschn> yes, that was one of the few mentioned ones
20090526 08:46:57< euschn> are you thinking of play_controller with respec to that question?
20090526 08:47:02< euschn> respect
20090526 08:47:11< YogiHH> i think game_state is a good candidate for that. I doubt that there will ever be more than one at any given time.
20090526 08:47:25< YogiHH> and we spend a lot of time passing it all around
20090526 08:48:20< ilor_> YogiHH: I'm not convinced that's such a good idea
20090526 08:48:23< euschn> atm savegame creates a new gamestate object (when loading), isnt it?
20090526 08:48:44< silene> YogiHH: note that the singleton pattern is even more costly than passing it around, since it requires a function call every time one wants to access the singleton
20090526 08:48:45< YogiHH> ilor_: why so?
20090526 08:49:14< ilor_> YogiHH: if you ever want to, say, compare two gamestates, using functions that are wired to use a singleton will be a pita
20090526 08:50:11< silene> by the way, note that there is already a single global gamestate (cf game_events)
20090526 08:50:43< YogiHH> ilor_: Do you think about the mp server? On the client i can't think of a reason to have more than one gamestate
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20090526 08:55:04< ilor_> YogiHH: just not a huge fan of global variables, of which singleton is a flavour
20090526 08:56:44< YogiHH> ilor_: i see
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20090526 09:49:56< euschn> YogiHH: can you explain the purpose/contents of the game_config_ member of class loadgame (and all controllers)? I get it that it is not directly related to savegame data, is it some kind of meta information?
20090526 09:53:17< Ivanovic> moin
20090526 09:55:50< euschn> hi Ivanovic
20090526 09:55:56< YogiHH> euschn: I think it is holding the data read from the cache-file, mainly all scenario information of the current campaign (or multiplayer) and unit data
20090526 09:56:39< YogiHH> euschn: but let me check again, maybe
20090526 09:57:09< euschn> YogiHH: the only thing I found out so far is that it holds the current theme (of the gui?)
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20090526 10:41:39< YogiHH> euschn: yes, it's the cache file config. The cache file was made to prevent having to load a gazillion config files separately. It holds most of the config files (maybe all?) you find for a campaign / multiplayer.
20090526 10:42:30< YogiHH> euschn: For loadgame, it seems the only relevant information is knowing some terrain types in order to create the map in the load game dialog.
20090526 10:45:24< euschn> YogiHH: i see, thanks for clearing that up
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20090526 15:39:04< CIA-77> soliton * r35890 /branches/1.6/data/tools/wmlunits: check the variable we're actually writing out
20090526 15:39:36< CIA-77> soliton * r35891 /trunk/utils/mp-server/update_server: rewrite for better robustness and portability
20090526 15:39:42< CIA-77> soliton * r35892 /trunk/data/tools/wmlunits: check the variable we're actually writing out
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20090526 16:30:23< Crab_> wesbot: seen boucman
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20090526 16:30:23< wesbot> Crab_: The person with the nick boucman last spoke 5d 17h ago.  5d 16h ago they left with the message: "Leaving."
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20090526 16:35:14< Soliton> btw, a FR to vote for for git fans: https://gna.org/bugs/?12202
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20090526 18:27:05< CIA-77> shadowmaster * r35893 /trunk/data/core/about.cfg: Add Tyler Johnson to the Music section of the game credits.
20090526 18:27:21< CIA-77> shadowmaster * r35894 /trunk/data/core/macros/sound-utils.cfg: Add casualties_of_war.ogg to the "default" music playlist macro.
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20090526 18:42:11< CIA-77> soliton * r35895 /trunk/changelog: changelog tweak
20090526 18:42:19< CIA-77> soliton * r35896 /trunk/data/campaigns/tutorial/scenarios/1_Tutorial.cfg: made the continue message more accurate
20090526 18:42:22< CIA-77> soliton * r35897 /trunk/utils/mp-server/run_server: check if the process died immediately before moving symlinks, etc. to the new instance
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20090526 18:56:48< CIA-77> soliton * r35898 /trunk/utils/mp-server/run_server: pacify set -u
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20090526 19:11:54< silene> hi
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20090526 20:50:26< mordante> servus
20090526 21:00:59< mordante> cjhopman, did you test whether my patch solves your issue?
20090526 21:04:11< CIA-77> esr * r35899 /trunk/data/campaigns/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Integrate new "Casualties of War" music into some mainline campaigns.
20090526 21:22:30< cjhopman> mordante, I haven't... let me try it quick
20090526 21:22:46< CIA-77> silene * r35900 /trunk/src/playcampaign.cpp: Enabled preloading of Lua events in multiplayer.
20090526 21:23:02< mordante> cjhopman, ok
20090526 21:26:59< cjhopman> mordante: that fixed it
20090526 21:27:09< cjhopman> thanks
20090526 21:28:12< silene> is it just me or is the AI broken? it recruits and moves during the first turn, but then it stops doing anything
20090526 21:28:18< mordante> you're welcome, thanks for testing
20090526 21:28:34< mordante> I'll need some more testing but I think I'll commit later this week
20090526 21:35:27< silene> wesbot: seen Crab_
20090526 21:35:27< wesbot> silene: The person with the nick Crab_ last spoke 5h 5m ago.  4h 10m ago they left with the message: "Leaving."
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20090526 21:44:27< loonycyborg> silene: Indeed. I'm getting the same in a MP local game.
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20090526 22:12:25< CIA-77> ivanovic * r35901 /trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs): updated German translation (includes patch #1176)
20090526 22:12:28< CIA-77> ivanovic * r35902 /branches/1.6/po/ (wesnoth/de.po wesnoth-manpages/de.po wesnoth-units/de.po): updated German translation (includes patch #1176)
20090526 22:30:55< CIA-77> ivanovic * r35903 /trunk/ (318 files in 11 dirs): 
20090526 22:30:55< CIA-77> pot-update
20090526 22:30:55< CIA-77> regenerated doc files
20090526 22:32:44< CIA-77> ivanovic * r35904 /branches/1.6/ (271 files in 11 dirs): 
20090526 22:32:44< CIA-77> pot-update (no new/changed strings, only reference update...)
20090526 22:32:44< CIA-77> regenerated doc files
20090526 22:34:31< Ivanovic> mordante: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=358832#p358832
20090526 22:35:21< mordante> Ivanovic, thanks, I just saw it in my mailbox as well ;-)
20090526 22:35:33< Ivanovic> :)
20090526 22:35:45< Ivanovic> subscribing to threads is *lame*
20090526 22:35:46< Ivanovic> ;)
20090526 22:36:10< mordante> it's handy since I'm not always following the forum closely ;-)
20090526 22:37:03 * mordante still wait for Jetrel to reply...
20090526 22:37:13 * shadowmaster is subscribed to his own working threads, for extra lameness
20090526 22:37:41< shadowmaster> and also to the mod forum as a whole
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20090526 22:56:55< mordante> I'm off bye
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20090526 23:15:39< Ivanovic> time for me to head off to bed, n8
20090526 23:23:29< silene> is it some kind of joke?! suokko committed again and he broke the AI; reverting revision 35883 fixes the AI
20090526 23:23:45< loonycyborg> Indeed it does.
20090526 23:23:54< silene> Ivanovic: please remove svn write access from suokko, it's getting tiring
20090526 23:24:18< loonycyborg> I didn't believe my eyes when git-bisect pointed to it :P
20090526 23:24:50< loonycyborg> silene: Sirp already revoked suokko's commit access yesterday or so.
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20090526 23:24:59< VladimirSlavik> hello!
20090526 23:25:12< cjhopman> lol
20090526 23:26:42< VladimirSlavik> translation & text question: there are some changes in NR concerning names, and they correctly show as fuzzies in my local files, but the web interface at g.w.o shows these files as 100% and recent...?
20090526 23:29:11< loonycyborg> silene: Will you revert that commit or leave that to me?
20090526 23:29:24 * loonycyborg wants to practice git revert :P
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20090526 23:42:11< stikonas> VladimirSlavik: that's because of pofix script and because you merge pot and po files yourself
20090526 23:42:52< VladimirSlavik> stikonas: thanks, I suspected something similar... do you know where I can find some details?
20090526 23:42:55< stikonas> VladimirSlavic: esr has written the script that allows to perform small string changes (such as spelling fixes) and autommatically apply them to po files
20090526 23:43:23< stikonas> utils/pofix.py
20090526 23:44:23< VladimirSlavik> oosp, sorry... I am thinking slow, 2 sec after hitting enter I realized I can look at the file in repo...
20090526 23:44:28< VladimirSlavik> htanks anyway
20090526 23:45:18< VladimirSlavik> well this was not a typo fix but change of names so the translation in repo is now kind of broken :-/
20090526 23:46:07< stikonas> it was made in order to make names less every-day English
20090526 23:47:13< VladimirSlavik> I think I've read that...
20090526 23:47:42< VladimirSlavik> Doesn't it become a kind of tradition that I always bitch about esr's changes? :D
20090526 23:49:37< esr> VladimirSlavik: This is a safe sort of broken; it's OK for the translated names to be wrong as long as they're consistent.
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20090526 23:50:25< VladimirSlavik> well, true, too
20090526 23:51:33 * stikonas noticed that it is much easier to coordinte l10n by setting up new git repo for translators instead of sending files be email
20090526 23:52:45< VladimirSlavik> esr: what concerns me is that I couldn't remember being told this explicitly and the strings can't be recognized on their own now
20090526 23:53:09< VladimirSlavik> although I'm probably a bit picky with the "explicit" part :)
20090526 23:53:49< VladimirSlavik> anyway, mission accomplished, I know what happened - time to go again
20090526 23:53:54< VladimirSlavik> good night!
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20090526 23:54:01< esr> VladimirSlavik: I topo have notised that the translation website stats are behind...I think there is some issue there other than my changes.
20090526 23:54:12< esr> Oh, well.
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