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20090529 01:31:29< noy> anybody speak Portuguese?
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20090529 02:08:21< Soliton> hi Ken_Oh
20090529 02:08:34< Ken_Oh> hi
20090529 02:08:59< Soliton> Ken_Oh: you can choose advancement out-of-turn in wesband in an online game?
20090529 02:09:21< Ken_Oh> you shouldn't be able to
20090529 02:09:32< Ken_Oh> unless you're seeing the bug that we just fixed
20090529 02:09:39< Ken_Oh> (not released)
20090529 02:09:49< Soliton> i'd have thought so too but i found a replay where it seems to have happened.
20090529 02:10:04< Ken_Oh> what happened exactly, if i may ask?
20090529 02:11:02< Soliton> well, i'm just looking at the replay wml.
20090529 02:11:33< Soliton> there is an attack with some destination x,y and right after that a choose and advance_unit with the same x,y.
20090529 02:11:53< Soliton> which to me means the unit advanced after being attacked.
20090529 02:12:08< Soliton> which can only mean out-of-turn advancement?
20090529 02:12:28< Ken_Oh> that's weird
20090529 02:12:48< Soliton> the thing is that currently the server allows that but i was looking into removing that again.
20090529 02:13:07< Ken_Oh> oh, well, i wouldn't know much about that
20090529 02:14:03< Soliton> iirc i allowed it because it otherwise broke some scenario like orocia where you can get XP out-of-turn and advance or something.
20090529 02:14:35< Soliton> i'll check some of those scenarios to see whether it still happens there, too.
20090529 02:14:54< Ken_Oh> hmmm, it could be because of attack events
20090529 02:16:08< Soliton> if you can get attacked in your turn somehow my test is bogus and it'd be a false-positive.
20090529 02:18:02< Soliton> is that theoretically possible with WML?
20090529 02:23:06< Ken_Oh> yeah, i don't think you can get attacked in your own turn
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20090529 02:34:14< [Relic]> Hello :)
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20090529 04:16:10< comradekingu> I got "Checking for fribidi_utf8_to_unicode(NULL,0,NULL) in C library fribidi... (cached) no" trying to compile the wesnoth 1.7 on linux, any hints as to what can be done about it? It seemed to compile fine, went ahead with installation
20090529 04:20:53< Soliton> fribidi is not necessary.
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20090529 05:15:56< comradekingu> Soliton: what does it do, and how do i get it?
20090529 05:18:14< comradekingu> seems i needed the -dev, but im curious to know what im missing out on
20090529 05:26:35< comradekingu> Thanks for the help though, everything seems to be working so far, will try networking some other time
20090529 05:29:01< Vornicus> fribidi is for bidirectional text.
20090529 05:29:15< Vornicus> If you aren't working in, say, hebrew, you don't need to care.
20090529 05:33:37< comradekingu> (: erac t'nod I
20090529 05:33:50< comradekingu> Good night and thanks for all the help, great game
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20090529 08:45:20< Zarel> Hey guys!
20090529 08:45:23< Zarel> Anyone here?
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20090529 08:46:39< Vornicus> No, we all got killed by chocobones.
20090529 08:47:24< Zarel> I hate those guys. :/
20090529 08:47:38< Zarel> Plus, undead already have two scouts. <_<
20090529 08:52:28< Vornicus> I'm on mission 5 in HttT and both of them are undead missions and they are /horrible/.
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20090529 08:56:42< Zarel> It's really bad that in HttT you get the meet every faction except the drakes.
20090529 08:56:51< Zarel> They should just throw a drake mission in there. :/
20090529 08:57:15< ^Someone^> HttT?
20090529 08:57:26< Vornicus> Heir to the Throne
20090529 08:57:29< ^Someone^> Ah
20090529 08:58:02< ^Someone^> Haven't really played any of the campaigns after the tutorials. Just multiplayer scenarios : /
20090529 08:58:07< Vornicus> Being, as far as I can tell, the Real First Campaign.
20090529 08:58:09< ^Someone^> Mostly Colosseum at that
20090529 08:58:36< Zarel> I've played a few campaigns that involve drakes now, though, so I'm slightly more mollified.
20090529 08:58:46< Zarel> It seems like the drakes were a faction added later, though.
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20090529 09:01:53< Zarel> You can't even get chocobones in AoH. :(
20090529 09:03:17< Zarel> Really, they're just weak versions of lancers.
20090529 09:03:32< Zarel> They're just horsemen with a bit more HP...
20090529 09:03:47< Zarel> Horsemen by themselves are _so_ much more annoying.
20090529 09:07:29< ^Someone^> One of my favourites is the Heavy Infantryman/Shock Trooper
20090529 09:08:01< ^Someone^> Especially in the Colosseum where I can rev him up
20090529 09:09:47< Zarel> Meh. If it's not well defended, it's not too hard to kill just by surrounding it with ranged units.
20090529 09:09:56< ^Someone^> Yeah
20090529 09:10:04< Zarel> 'Course, that's if you get one alone.
20090529 09:10:44< Zarel> I dunno. Slow it with Elvish Shaman, and it loses most of its threat. That low evasion is pretty significant.
20090529 09:11:45< ^Someone^> Slow it?
20090529 09:11:58< ^Someone^> It's already as slow as it can be v.v
20090529 09:12:12< ^Someone^> That's one thing I really hate about it
20090529 09:12:12< Vornicus> Well, in one of the two missions, you get merfolk and thugs.
20090529 09:12:54< Zarel> I mean, slowing it reduces its damage, and since its evasion is poor enough, that makes it easy enough to kill with nearly any unit
20090529 09:13:25< Vornicus> So no slowing.
20090529 09:13:40 * Zarel wonders why anyone would choose Royal Guard over Halberdier.
20090529 09:20:08< Zarel> I've always wondered. The units that don't have L3 versions - is that for balance reasons, or just because no one's made it yet?
20090529 09:23:02< ^Someone^> Hm, but they do level up in a way, right?
20090529 09:23:06< ^Someone^> More HP
20090529 09:23:19< Zarel> 2 more HP...
20090529 09:23:28< ^Someone^> Ah
20090529 09:23:31< Zarel> It doesn't really seem worth the less damage and loss in versatility.
20090529 09:23:44< cjhopman> balance
20090529 09:24:01< Zarel> Oh, sorry, I was talking about Royal Guard.
20090529 09:24:11< Zarel> AMLA is 4 more HP, iirc.
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20090529 10:11:56< Ivanovic> moin
20090529 10:15:14< ^Someone^> Moin moin, Ivanovic!
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20090529 16:41:37< ^Someone^> http://www.wesnoth.org/
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20090529 19:53:18< [bjoern]> the win installer for 1.7 fails when trying to extract vengeful.ogg
20090529 19:53:55< Shadow_Master> what is the exact error?
20090529 19:54:22< [bjoern]> oh it may be trying to write it first to the temp dir which is low on space...
20090529 19:54:25< Soliton> "No space left on device"
20090529 19:54:35< [bjoern]> It just says "Extract: error writing to file vengeful.ogg"
20090529 19:54:43< [bjoern]> Well there is on the install drive...
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20090529 19:57:11< [bjoern]> Yeah seems like it grows and grows some temp file during installation, failing at 250MB when the drive is full...
20090529 19:57:52< [bjoern]> Maybe I'll file a NIS bug, at least for a better error message...
20090529 19:58:23< Soliton> sounds like a good idea.
20090529 19:59:02< Soliton> pretty sure some underlying function gives a better error similar to what i quoted.
20090529 20:00:31< [bjoern]> players_changelog says Delfador's Memoirs is novice level, but the game says it's intermediate (also, 24 scenarios in the log, 23 in the game)
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20090529 20:02:11< Shadow_Master>  someone changed it after it was imported to mainline, I guess.
20090529 20:02:21< Soliton> it also says 24 scenarios while there are now 23.
20090529 20:02:21< [bjoern]> I played the expert campaigns on the second-to-hardest setting, does that mean I should play the intermediate ones at the hardest setting for comparable difficulty?
20090529 20:02:22< Shadow_Master> and didn't bother to fix the changelog while at it
20090529 20:02:29< Shadow_Master> :/
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