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20090530 00:25:23< Ivanovic> c8
20090530 00:25:32< Ivanovic> n8
20090530 00:27:39< Vornicus> If you say so.
20090530 00:27:52< ^Someone^> Oh you're here too, Vornicus
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20090530 01:53:08< norbert_> hi all, how can I give someone a side when I'm hosting a MP event?
20090530 01:53:28< norbert_> I don't think that's in the menu's, right?
20090530 01:53:51< Soliton> you mean after the game started?
20090530 01:53:55< norbert_> yes?
20090530 01:54:14< Soliton> are you not sure what you mean?
20090530 01:54:46< norbert_> no, it was a combination of "yes" and "so, how to do it?" :)
20090530 01:54:55< Soliton> ah, of course.
20090530 01:55:16< Soliton> :control <side number> <nick>
20090530 01:55:23< norbert_> ok, thanks
20090530 01:55:59< Soliton> help -> commands -> multiplayer commands
20090530 01:59:55< norbert_> ok
20090530 02:03:03< norbert_> ehm
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20090530 02:08:05< norbert_> can observers be allowed after the game started when at first they were not?
20090530 02:08:09< norbert_> with a command?
20090530 02:09:08< norbert_> I don't see anything about it in the help...
20090530 02:15:12< norbert_> also, what would be the easiest way to find out what era I need for "A New Land"?
20090530 02:16:23< Soliton> you don't need any.
20090530 02:16:54< Soliton> there is one specifically for it in some add-on though. not sure if it was updated for 1.6.
20090530 02:17:13< Soliton> and no you can't allow observers later on.
20090530 02:19:42< norbert_> ok, thanks for the info
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20090530 03:52:45< comradekingu> Is there a ubuntu-repo for 1.7, my friend is talking of running the windows binary in wine
20090530 03:55:30< Soliton> distros usually don't package several versions of a program for the same release so not an official one at least.
20090530 03:56:13< Soliton> it's not difficult to just compile it yourself though.
20090530 03:59:50< Soliton> well, actually it looks like 1.7 is in debian experimental so you could probably get it from there.
20090530 04:01:56< comradekingu> Well my friend downloaded the 1.7 for windows, and lost the adapter to his ubuntu laptop
20090530 04:02:18< comradekingu> So i compiled the 1.7, but now he has found the adapter again
20090530 04:02:52< comradekingu> Soliton: Can debian experimental be added to ubuntu without any hassle? Im guessing older packets would have to be prioritized?
20090530 04:03:13< Soliton> no idea.
20090530 04:05:10< comradekingu> It wont break anything unless wesnoth itself has dependencies that are not compatible with the system, right?
20090530 04:05:22< Soliton> yeah.
20090530 04:05:44< comradekingu> Well hes downloading now regardless
20090530 04:06:09< Soliton> i don't think the experimental version depends on some new versions it's just there because it's more difficult to have both in testing/sid.
20090530 04:06:12< comradekingu> I'll call it research to calm my nevrotic thoughts on the matter
20090530 04:07:21< Soliton> if he's downloading the deb directly it just won't install if it depends on unavailable versions. so not easy to screw things up there i'd think.
20090530 04:08:27< comradekingu> ok, right. And it will download those packages automatically rather than just not compile, yes?
20090530 04:09:06< Soliton> err, we're talking about compiling now?
20090530 04:09:14< Soliton> i'm confused.
20090530 04:11:08< comradekingu> Downloading the deb from experimental rather than compiling the sourcecode will pull dependencies automatically
20090530 04:11:57< comradekingu> Im looking for swift and easy, this sounds like a plan. 
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20090530 04:12:45< Soliton> if he's downloading manually then he has to take care of dependencies.
20090530 04:13:19< Soliton> if he told apt how to get stuff from experimental then dependencies might get pulled in automatically.
20090530 04:14:02< comradekingu> manually and stuff meaning the deb?
20090530 04:14:19< comradekingu> Wont the gebi packet manager take care of everything?
20090530 04:14:32< Soliton> i have no idea what that is.
20090530 04:16:18< comradekingu> Its an GUI installation program with a dumb terminal for debs
20090530 04:17:09< comradekingu> Why is 1.7 in experimental tough? It was very stable on my trial run yesterday.
20090530 04:17:36< Soliton> "i don't think the experimental version depends on some new versions it's just there because it's more difficult to have both in testing/sid."
20090530 04:18:52< comradekingu> But shouldnt this be in testing and some alpha stuff in experimental?
20090530 04:19:26< comradekingu> Is it just very stable for a oddnumber.0 release?
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20090530 04:21:27< Soliton> testing has 1.6 because people want to play the stable version.
20090530 04:22:10< Soliton> it seems you're confusing stable with doesn't crash all the time or something.
20090530 04:22:36< comradekingu> In any event the 1.6 windows version wasnt compatible via netplay with the one in ubuntus repos, will this be fixed in the 1.8 series?
20090530 04:22:56< Soliton> huh?
20090530 04:23:57< comradekingu> For lack of a better word, just going to use release from now on
20090530 04:24:54< Soliton> all 1.6 versions are compatible.
20090530 04:25:45< comradekingu> "1:1.6a-3 ubuntu1" is the version in my ubuntu repo, when he tried to join with the windows release version of 1.6 on the site it said something along the lines of "you have 1.6.3, server is running .... not compatible"
20090530 04:27:29< comradekingu> No wait, i bet he was running 1.7 and thats what caused it
20090530 04:27:51< Soliton> nah, no i get what you're talking about.
20090530 04:27:55< Soliton> now*
20090530 04:28:22< Soliton> we forgot to change the default accepted versions for 1.6.
20090530 04:28:22< comradekingu> I should probably revert back to 1.6 and play it safe
20090530 04:29:03< comradekingu> But 1.7 was all sorts of cool. I got a few of the units that can hide in deep water, and first thing that happened was a drought :)
20090530 04:30:22< Soliton> you just need to put 'versions_accepted="1.6*"' in your lan_server.cfg to allow him to join.
20090530 04:30:40< comradekingu> But we would still have had to play without the dynamic seasons?
20090530 04:31:03< Soliton> i guess you're talking about dark forecast which is in 1.6 as well.
20090530 04:31:05< comradekingu> Nono, i was running 1.6, he was on 1.7 from the windows machine
20090530 04:31:45< Soliton> ok, then you could also add 1.7* to the accepted versions. i'd guess it's still compatible right now.
20090530 04:31:47< comradekingu> Now i have 1.7 and he is on 1.6 from the linux machine
20090530 04:32:32< comradekingu> But if i have 1.7 it will accept 1.6 and include the dark forecast?
20090530 04:32:44< Soliton> basically you can allow any version you like but then you have to make sure your client versions really are compatible, the server doesn't really care.
20090530 04:33:26< Soliton> dark forecast is not new.
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20090530 04:33:35< comradekingu> So 1.4 server and 1.6 client with dark forecast would break
20090530 04:34:17< comradekingu> Im not sure we're talking about the same thing. Im talking about the snow that gets heavier as each round progresses
20090530 04:34:45< comradekingu> Dont know if that has any impact on gameplay, but the drought killed my unit that was in the deep water
20090530 04:35:22< comradekingu> Which was sweet, if that wasnt intentional id regard it to be a feature
20090530 04:37:19< comradekingu> Meh, he went to bed. Anyone care to see if my server is working at all kingu.dyndns.org:15000
20090530 04:40:09< Soliton> yeah, works.
20090530 04:47:53< comradekingu> Thanks, is the port number necessary when joining a server? Isnt 15k the default?
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20090530 04:48:29< Soliton> yes, 15000 isn't necessary.
20090530 04:48:44< comradekingu> I need it to be as simple as possible if im going to get anyone from the normal crowd to play with me :)
20090530 04:48:49< comradekingu> Thanks again
20090530 04:50:45< Soliton> you can add your server in the wiki under MultiplayerServers.
20090530 04:52:23< comradekingu> Id like to get some practice beforehand, is there some place i can read up on all the units and such. Other than ingame
20090530 04:54:51< Soliton> units.wesnoth.org
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20090530 05:02:03< comradekingu> Soliton: I stumbled upon this vast collection of lore the other day http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Category:Pok%C3%A9mon
20090530 05:02:59< comradekingu> Fore example http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Abra_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29
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20090530 05:03:20< comradekingu> The different sprites and graphics might be something to copy
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20090530 05:04:04< comradekingu> And any funfacts and background info on the units aswell
20090530 05:08:27< comradekingu> I'll submit a feature request once ive read through the wesnoth wiki
20090530 05:08:53< comradekingu> If i still consider it usefull by then
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20090530 05:32:22< [Relic]> Hello :)
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20090530 11:50:54< Ivanovic> moin
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20090530 13:25:55< ^Someone^> Once again, I can connect to server2 but not the usual server : /
20090530 13:27:07< ^Someone^> Yay, it's working now. Odd : s
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20090530 16:49:25< comradekingu> When playing dark forecast (survival) my units and the opposing force were the same colour (red)
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20090530 16:52:07< comradekingu> My server is running 1.7 and the other networking player used 1.6 He was getting "out of sync" messages, and the game ended due to "possibly invalid WLM occured"
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