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20090607 00:56:46< Polarina> svn: OPTIONS of 'http://svn.gna.org/svn/wesnoth/trunk': could not connect to server (http://svn.gna.org)
20090607 00:58:49< AI0867> it works over here
20090607 00:59:08< AI0867> that is, with svn+ssh
20090607 01:00:19< AI0867> the webDAV (over http) interface can be a little shaky at times
20090607 01:00:30< AI0867> so try this:
20090607 01:00:42< AI0867> svn switch --relocate http://svn.gna.org/svn/wesnoth/trunk svn://svn.gna.org/svn/wesnoth/trunk
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20090607 05:00:03< Jetrel> esr:  around?
20090607 05:02:07< Jetrel> esr:  You may remember us discussion the possible addition of a few non-loyalist infantry; intended to represent humans from wilder, not-quite-under royal rule regions of wesnoth.  I've been recently inspired to get cracking on them, based on some work Girgistan was doing, and I wanted to discuss a plan of action.
20090607 05:04:07< Jetrel> esr:  tentatively, the plan is to have two additional unit lines.  These are meant to be paired with units like the poacher line.  My plan was that: The first line is a infantry hand-axe wielder.  It might have franciscs/thrown axes.  It could go either light, or heavy, depending on how we want to make it.
20090607 05:04:35< Jetrel> esr: (light being fast-and-fragile, like the footpad, heavy being armored and slow)
20090607 05:05:12< Jetrel> esr:  the second line would presumably be a horse unit, probably a horse-archer of some sort, but I'm really flexible in terms of what it would end up being.
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20090607 09:27:24< boucman> morning all
20090607 09:27:36< Jetrel> boucman: moin
20090607 09:27:44< zookeeper> yo
20090607 09:27:56< Jetrel> zookeeper: hey
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20090607 09:29:29< boucman> morning Crab_
20090607 09:29:40< Crab_> hello, boucman
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20090607 09:44:40< boucman> Crab_: do you plan to convert the old AI to composite soon ? (i.e reimplement it as wml configurable stages)
20090607 09:44:55< Crab_> boucman: yes. 
20090607 09:45:09< boucman> k, and when is "soon" ? ;)
20090607 09:46:27< Crab_> boucman: that's what I have at the moment:
20090607 09:46:50< CIA-77> crab * r36079 /trunk/ (9 files in 4 dirs): AI: stub code for default_ai_testing
20090607 09:47:55< Crab_> I need to copy code from ai/ai.cpp to those 9 candidate actions, moving some functions to default_ai_context_impl in the process
20090607 09:48:24< boucman> looking...
20090607 09:48:52< Crab_> right now I will use 'static priorities' on those candidate actions. for example, combat_phase will return 40 if consider_combat_==true or 0 otherwise
20090607 09:50:08< Crab_> thanks to my earlier work on ai contexts, most of the code can just be copypasted, with minor fixes
20090607 09:50:09< boucman> ok
20090607 09:50:34< Crab_> first 'chunk' of this work will be done today in the evening
20090607 09:50:41< boucman> that makes sense... once the testing AI does the same thing than the default AI, you plan to move it as default ?
20090607 09:51:10< Crab_> I plan to test it against the default
20090607 09:51:44< Crab_> if it is not 'a lot better than' ai_default, I will leave ai_default as default.
20090607 09:52:07< boucman> because AI developers will probably want to use the default AI's phases as "fill-in" and right now we only provide the testing AI
20090607 09:52:50< Crab_> if it is 'significantly better' than ai_default, then I will fork it into default_ai_testing and default_ai_stable, and set default_ai_stable as default.
20090607 09:53:30< Crab_> yes, it is very easy to use those phases as "fill-in".
20090607 09:54:03< Crab_> (see data/ai/dev/testing_ai_default.cfg for example)
20090607 09:54:51< boucman> Crab_: well, my point was that in that file you use default_ai_testing
20090607 09:55:03< Crab_> yes
20090607 09:55:17< boucman> AI dev will want to reference default_ai_stable, so they can test their AI on more solid ground
20090607 09:56:12< boucman> there is no emergency (since right now the only ai dev is DK, and he can cope with testing) but at some point it might be nescessary to fork testing "just for the sake of forking"
20090607 09:56:24< Crab_> boucman: ok, understood
20090607 09:57:37< Crab_> boucman: note that 'exposing this interface' doesn't require forking
20090607 09:57:49< Crab_> boucman: I can simply register a same c++ class under two different names
20090607 09:58:27< boucman> Crab_: good point, you might want to do that to avoid forking
20090607 09:58:38< Crab_> and there's no reason to fork it all at the same time
20090607 09:59:03< Crab_> since we have 'components', nothing prevents us from creating 3,4,... versions of only one stage.
20090607 09:59:18< Crab_> and aliasing 'best' one under a documented name :)
20090607 09:59:45< boucman> true dat
20090607 10:05:55< Crab_> boucman: ok, I leave at the moment, and I'll commit first part of those candidate actions today evening (or, in the night)
20090607 10:06:13< boucman> ok
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20090607 11:02:54< stikonas> esr, is there a way to add {USER_ID} as a placeholder in the string so that translators can change the order of the words in this sentence (data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/scenarios/16_The_Chief_must_die_utils.cfg:5)?
20090607 11:05:04< zookeeper> that should be done with a variable instead
20090607 11:07:29< stikonas> many languages that have grammatical cases change endings of the words so the sentence now looks clumsy in such languages.
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20090607 11:18:53< Ivanovic> moin
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20090607 11:35:22< Ivanovic> macros in translateable strings result in the strings not being translateable (since the macro is replaced before string substitution by gettext is done and thus the string it not found by gettext
20090607 11:35:35< Ivanovic> stikonas: with other words: the macro *has* to be removed and is a bug
20090607 11:39:24< stikonas> Ivanovic: I am trying to fix it
20090607 11:42:31< zookeeper> use a variable
20090607 11:43:07< zookeeper> "Crelanu's philter affecting $foo" and then just set that variable right
20090607 11:43:10< stikonas> zookeeper: yes, but I have to pass translatable name
20090607 11:43:17< stikonas> to this util file
20090607 11:43:45< zookeeper> no you don't
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20090607 11:45:58< stikonas> zookeeper: if I pass it then translators can use grammatical cases which would be nice
20090607 11:46:31< zookeeper> i'll rewrite it for you
20090607 11:46:59< stikonas> zookeeper: ok, but I can show what I have done, and it works
20090607 11:47:09< zookeeper> sure
20090607 11:47:18< zookeeper> pastebin?
20090607 11:47:42< stikonas> OK, but it has some problems with @ in the diffs
20090607 11:49:01< stikonas> zookeeper: http://pastebin.ca/1450554
20090607 11:49:55< zookeeper> umm, move the space around and you don't have to introduce or change any strings
20090607 11:51:05< zookeeper> oh, well, still the description will change...but still
20090607 11:51:12< stikonas> zookeeper: I inteded to do that so that gettext adds new string and it would be possible to use grammatical cases.
20090607 11:51:44< stikonas> but of course we can leave them out of this
20090607 11:52:11< zookeeper> well, if you want to keep that possibility then i suggest just keeping it simple and having two separate descriptions for both kalenz and landar
20090607 11:53:30< stikonas> Ivanovic: what do you think we should do in this case, keep it simple and use only 1 description, or use 2 descriptions?
20090607 11:54:33< stikonas> is possible to distinc strings with ^ so I can create new patch
20090607 11:55:32< zookeeper> i'd imagine it's easier for the translators just to handle the two nearly-identical strings
20090607 11:55:53< stikonas> yes, I am preparing new patch without spaces
20090607 11:57:59< zookeeper> i suggest just giving the macro the full plain description as an argument
20090607 11:58:25< zookeeper> {INVISIBILITY_POTION Kalenz _"Crelanu's philter affecting Kalenz"}
20090607 11:58:28< zookeeper> that's the simplest way
20090607 11:59:35< stikonas> zookeeper: of course, can you do that?
20090607 12:00:06< stikonas> that's the best solution
20090607 12:00:45< stikonas> and since this is a bug it can probably be applied to 1.6 branch
20090607 12:04:38< zookeeper> sure i can
20090607 12:04:51< zookeeper> hmh, what's a bug?
20090607 12:05:08< zookeeper> description= _ "Crelanu's philter affecting " + {USER_ID} <- that's fine
20090607 12:05:17< zookeeper> what wouldn't be fine would be description= _ "Crelanu's philter affecting {USER_ID}"
20090607 12:05:24< stikonas> is this translatable?
20090607 12:05:35< zookeeper> _ "Crelanu's philter affecting " is the translatable string there
20090607 12:05:52< stikonas> yes, but the name will be shown in English
20090607 12:06:08< stikonas> which is kinda bad for non latin languages
20090607 12:06:13< zookeeper> oh yes, you're right. how silly.
20090607 12:07:48< zookeeper> just give me a moment, i have some other local changes to those files to sort out first..
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20090607 12:08:12< stikonas> I can do this change myself then
20090607 12:09:07< zookeeper> no, i'm almost done...i can commit my small tweak to the cutscene while i'm at it, too
20090607 12:11:35< CIA-77> zookeeper * r36080 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/scenarios/ (16_The_Chief_must_die.cfg 16_The_Chief_must_die_utils.cfg): Fixed a translation bug with the philter descriptions and made a small tweak to the drinking cutscene.
20090607 12:11:37< zookeeper> there you go. but please, feel free to test it, as i didn't ;)
20090607 12:17:05< stikonas> zookeeper: cannot read from data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/scenarios/.#16_The_Chief_must_die_utils.cfg at /home/and/repositories/wesnoth-git/utils/wmlxgettext line 35.
20090607 12:17:15< stikonas> update-pot says that
20090607 12:17:37< stikonas> you should probably add some wmlxgettext comments near description
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20090607 12:25:05< zookeeper> umm, right
20090607 12:26:03< zookeeper> i have no idea about that then
20090607 12:43:48< stikonas> zookeeper: strange but now everything seems to work
20090607 12:44:13< stikonas> and there are no wmlxgettext error 
20090607 12:45:06< stikonas> so, is it possible to apply r36080 to 1.6?
20090607 12:45:50< zookeeper> sure, there's nothing 1.7-specific in it
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20090607 13:50:50< esr> Jetrel: ping?
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20090607 20:27:36< thespaceinvader> esr: there?
20090607 20:57:06< Jetrel> esr: pong
20090607 21:23:30< thespaceinvader> hey Jetrel 
20090607 21:23:37< Jetrel> hey
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20090607 21:27:47< thespaceinvader> how's things, Jetrel 
20090607 21:28:06< Jetrel> pretty good by and large.
20090607 21:29:35< Jetrel> Been very busy lately; haven't done a ton for wesnoth over the last few weeks/month
20090607 21:32:49< thespaceinvader> mm, i know the feeling
20090607 21:32:57< thespaceinvader> but pressure's off now, thank goodness
20090607 21:33:01< thespaceinvader> summer =D
20090607 21:34:56< thespaceinvader> so yeah, plenty of art time
20090607 21:35:13< thespaceinvader> just finished the animation upgrades to the Masked tHoT dwarves
20090607 21:35:18< thespaceinvader> not committed yet though
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20090607 21:54:15< Jetrel> thespaceinvader:  yeah, I wanted to chat with esr about those couple lines of non-loyalist human soldiers we were thinking of adding.  Girgistan's vaerinjar really have kinda given me a kick in the ass to work on them.
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20090607 22:00:51< thespaceinvader> yeah, they look very promising, don't they
20090607 22:01:31< Turuk> Nope
20090607 22:25:28< zookeeper> thespaceinvader, keep up the good work with the scout line
20090607 22:25:46< thespaceinvader> thanks zookeeper
20090607 22:26:21< thespaceinvader> will do
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20090607 22:33:41< noy> Jetrel: any concerns about the last draft document I sent?
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