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20090609 00:02:20< YogiHH> AI0867: i will tell euschn tomorrow
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20090609 00:34:16< Soliton> zookeeper: steadfast doesn't work right with 50+% resistances because the > 0 test already succeeds for them. any idea how to work around that?
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20090609 00:42:32< Dragonking> night everyone
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20090609 00:45:48< zookeeper> Soliton, no
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20090609 00:47:39< CIA-77> ai0867 * r36094 /trunk/src/playsingle_controller.cpp: Make sure the game ends when turns run out. Euschn, please review.
20090609 00:47:42< CIA-77> ai0867 * r36095 /trunk/data/lua/wml-tags.lua: Throw errors when the queried unit does not exist.
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20090609 08:22:42< euschn> hi
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20090609 08:23:12< YogiHH> hi euschn
20090609 08:23:45< euschn> YogiHH: did you get my email reply last night
20090609 08:23:50< YogiHH> yes, i did
20090609 08:23:51< euschn> ?
20090609 08:24:08< YogiHH> i wasn't concerned about the initialization with or without variable evaluation
20090609 08:24:34< YogiHH> euschn: but you explicitly initialize from the snapshot. Now what will you do if there is no snapshot?
20090609 08:26:47< euschn> YogiHH: well, tod manager initializes the same way gamestatus does currently. if there is no gamestate, most information is taken from the level config
20090609 08:27:06< euschn> which is independent form the game_state i guess?
20090609 08:27:32< euschn> we are still talking about initializiation in the play_controller constructor correct?
20090609 08:27:40< YogiHH> Ah, yes it is indeed. Seems like a false alarm then :-)
20090609 08:27:56< YogiHH> yes, that's what we are talking about
20090609 08:28:06< euschn> those are my favorite alarms :)
20090609 08:28:11< YogiHH> hehe
20090609 08:28:54< euschn> i basically I just copied the relevant parts of the gamestatus ctor. if gamestatus currently works, then so should tod_manager initialization
20090609 08:30:56< YogiHH> euschn: i see. Btw, Soliton discovered some weird behaviour with a broken gamestate, but i doubt it has anything to do with your changes. Just so you know.
20090609 08:31:06< YogiHH> euschn: Looks like some kind of memory corruption
20090609 08:31:22< YogiHH> euschn: there is another issue with a bug regarding turn/max_turns. AI0867 stumbled upon it and i think he also fixed it but you might want to have a look at that. You can find it in the logs around midnight.
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20090609 08:36:25< euschn> YogiHH: ok Ill have a look at the logs
20090609 08:40:13< euschn> YogiHH: ouch, I swapped b and !b on my last commit :/ - yea he fixed it now
20090609 08:40:39< euschn> did not test ending a scenario unfortunately
20090609 08:42:03 * YogiHH cannot count anymore how often he used faulty inversed logical expressions
20090609 08:42:19< euschn> hehe
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20090609 08:47:37< YogiHH> be back later
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20090609 09:36:41< CIA-77> euschn * r36096 /trunk/src/ (game_events.cpp play_controller.hpp): savegame reorganization: synchronized area time of day members of play_controller and gamestatus
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20090609 09:50:43< corn__> mordante, soliton: I think I'll avoid the issue by staying away from the flash based graphs - the visualization API also gives javascript + SVG graphing that will be supported on any platform where FF 3.0 is available
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20090609 10:42:01< CIA-77> cornmander * r36097 /website/stats.wesnoth.org/wesstats/ (controllers/root.py templates/barview.html): more work on database-driven views
20090609 10:46:29< Ivanovic> moin
20090609 10:47:06< Ivanovic> cjhopman, corn__, euschn, ilor: so how are your soc projects going?
20090609 10:47:20< Ivanovic> and really bad problems so far or does everything work out as expected?
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20090609 10:48:24< euschn> Ivanovic: changes going slow (as expected), but on schedule atm. no really bad problems so far
20090609 10:50:19< corn__> Ivanovic: I am behind schedule by maybe a week, but I don't think it will be a problem. school ends nominally for me in 2 weeks but I can already put in a lot of time to stay on schedule
20090609 10:50:59< Ivanovic> corn__: yeah, school/lectures/exams are a problem especially for our european students like ilor and DK
20090609 10:52:28< corn__> exams are over for most college students in the US, but I am worse off since I am finishing high school
20090609 10:53:00< corn__> most of my exams were at the end of may but we still have classes until the 15th
20090609 10:53:20< corn__> and two exams over the next 2 weeks
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20090609 10:54:33< corn__> but no teachers are assigning work, so I have plenty of time to work on my soc project even before school ends
20090609 10:54:43< Ivanovic> :)
20090609 10:58:05< corn__> btw, can you give me the wesnoth dev cloak? I finally registered a username on freenode
20090609 10:58:17< corn__> I was never the owner of 'corn', and I lost the password to 'corn_'
20090609 11:00:11< Ivanovic> sure i can
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20090609 11:00:14< Ivanovic> which account?
20090609 11:00:17< Ivanovic> corn__ ?
20090609 11:00:19< corn__> yes
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20090609 11:01:55< Ivanovic> corn__  to wesnoth/developer/cornmander is okay for you? (since this is your nick at gna)
20090609 11:02:01< corn__> yes, that is fine
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20090609 11:05:03< corn__> Crab_: I am almost done working on the stuff that will allow you to create new views from a sql table of data
20090609 11:05:39< corn__> right now there is no frontend for creating new views, so it has to be entered into a database manually
20090609 11:05:43< corn__> and you can only create piecharts
20090609 11:05:49< Crab_> corn__: good to know :) So, what is needed from me ?
20090609 11:05:50< corn__> but I will fix atleast one of those tomorrow :)
20090609 11:06:13< corn__> can you give me a table of data that you would like to generate graphs for?
20090609 11:06:37< Crab_> surely.
20090609 11:09:27< CIA-77> cornmander * r36098 /website/stats.wesnoth.org/ (5 files in 3 dirs): confused bar and pie graph types, now fixed
20090609 11:10:11< Ivanovic> corn__: done
20090609 11:10:20< corn__> Ivanovic: thank you
20090609 11:11:16< Crab_> corn__: will something like http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/m6350d9be be a good enough format ?
20090609 11:11:55< Crab_> it's postgresql db, so I cannot provide mysql dump directly :)
20090609 11:11:57< corn__> I need the table structure as well, that does not give table datatypes
20090609 11:12:01< corn__> ah
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20090609 11:12:28< corn__> that should be fine, I can probably guess datatypes for each column anyway
20090609 11:12:31< Crab_> corn__: table structure - http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/m8878abb
20090609 11:12:48< corn__> ah ok
20090609 11:13:07< corn__> yes, that should be enough
20090609 11:13:22< corn__> it would be better if there were a lot more rows though
20090609 11:13:44< corn__> more statistically meaningful
20090609 11:13:55< Crab_> corn__: yes :) I'll give 12600 rows
20090609 11:14:03< corn__> excellent
20090609 11:14:40< Crab_> (or even some more, but ~13000-14000)
20090609 11:15:14< corn__> my code scales correctly to millions of rows, so feel free to give me as much data as you want :)
20090609 11:18:30< Crab_> also note that I reorder that table a bit before querying it. I use a DB view for that. http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/m714f94b9  I do that because each matchup can be looked at from two points of view - 'side1 vs side2' an 'side2 and side1'
20090609 11:19:25< Crab_> but it is not critical to do this from the DB - I can do this from my script which inserts data into db - just insert two rows instead of one.
20090609 11:19:49< Crab_> s/an 'side2 and side1'/and 'side2 vs side1'
20090609 11:20:49< corn__> I don't think it matters for graph generation
20090609 11:20:56< corn__> the kind of queries you do are
20090609 11:21:11< corn__> select * where winner = side1
20090609 11:21:50< corn__> as long as the naming for each side doesn't change (side1 always stays side1) the data for the graph doesn't change
20090609 11:22:15< Crab_> it's bigger than just 'select * where winner = side1' :) to avoid doing that 'union of two selects' each time, I've done the union in the view and query against it.
20090609 11:22:47< corn__> ah
20090609 11:23:08< Crab_> it's more like 'select side1 as my_side, ... from game     union      select side2 as my_side, ... from game'
20090609 11:23:40< Crab_> but this can be done in script, not in the DB - by inserting two rows per game.
20090609 11:25:23< corn__> so that you can run queries on my_side instead of side1 or side2?
20090609 11:25:28< Crab_> yes.
20090609 11:26:04< Crab_> for example, query 'select all games where northerners won against loyalists' is ugly if queried against original game table (select ... from game where side1='northerners' and side2='loyalists' and winner=1  union select ... from game where side2='northerners' and side1='loyalists' and winner=2 )
20090609 11:26:50< Crab_> but is nice when queried against that view: 'select ... from game where my_side='northerners' and enemy_side='loyalists' and win=1'
20090609 11:27:21< corn__> ah, I understand clearly now
20090609 11:27:48< corn__> this was not an issue for me before because the current table I have is only for SP campaigns
20090609 11:27:53< Crab_> but don't bother with it if it's hard to do - It is *very* easy to just insert two rows into game table in the 'batch testing' script
20090609 11:28:08< corn__> yes
20090609 11:28:31< corn__> it would probably be better for me to create a view on my end though
20090609 11:28:47< Crab_> ok
20090609 11:28:56< corn__> because I have it set up in such a way that if you created 2 rows there is no gaurantee that both rows would end up in the table queried
20090609 11:29:17< corn__> instead of querying a very large table right away I query a subsample
20090609 11:29:21< Crab_> corn__: this is np
20090609 11:29:42< Crab_> corn__: since we aren't looking for exact numbers
20090609 11:30:00< corn__> ok
20090609 11:30:50< Crab_> corn__: ftp://ftp.terraninfo.net/wesnoth/ai_20090609.backup
20090609 11:30:52< corn__> send me the data in whatever form is convenient for you and I'll get it imported today
20090609 11:30:55< corn__> ok
20090609 11:31:42< corn__> heh
20090609 11:31:45< Crab_> corn__: tell me if it'll be needed to tinker with the timestamp format
20090609 11:31:46< corn__> is this running off a home connection?
20090609 11:31:55< Crab_> corn__: no
20090609 11:32:07< corn__> I am getting download speeds of 40-80 kb/s
20090609 11:32:10< corn__> just curious
20090609 11:33:07< Crab_> corn__: it's in the datacenter in Kiev, Ukraine. 
20090609 11:33:35< corn__> oik
20090609 11:33:41< corn__> datastamp format should not be a problem
20090609 11:34:02< corn__> I will look up if there is any quick way to import postgresql dumps into mysql, and if not I will just write a script to parse and insert each row
20090609 11:34:44< corn__> or just some regex that fixes the inserts for mysql
20090609 11:36:39< Crab_> corn__: I can export into csv, too - ftp://ftp.terraninfo.net/wesnoth/ai_20090609.csv
20090609 11:37:43< corn__> thanks, csv will be easier to parse if needed
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20090609 11:42:20< CIA-77> euschn * r36099 /trunk/src/ (play_controller.cpp play_controller.hpp): started implementation of savegame_config in play_controller (turn and time_of_day members)
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20090609 12:46:15< Ivanovic> corn__: if you join #freenode you can ask for them to drop the registration of corn_ and corn
20090609 12:46:38< Ivanovic> corn__: the account was last used 29 weeks ago and if the account is not used for a month you can ask them to drop the registration
20090609 12:47:26< Ivanovic> (so that you can register it/them as alias of corn__ and use whichever you prefer)
20090609 12:47:46< Crab_> Ivanovic: how can that 'last used time'  be seen ?
20090609 12:48:28< Ivanovic> the command is: /nickserv info USERNAME
20090609 12:49:25< Crab_> thanks
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20090609 13:20:55< esr> Commits to wesnoth svn are failing for me with "No space on device". Anyone else seeint this?
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20090609 13:23:54< loonycyborg> esr: Currently I'm getting "svn: Can't find a temporary directory: Internal error" on svn up
20090609 13:24:24< loonycyborg> So gna seems to be busted right now :(
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20090609 14:33:01< shadowmaster> not even svn up (git svn rebase) works under these conditions
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20090609 15:01:16< CIA-77> crab * r36101 /trunk/ (62 files in 11 dirs): file renames in src/ai
20090609 15:01:41< Crab_> seems to work now ^^
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20090609 15:19:01< GeorgeGhoal> Hello
20090609 15:19:52< GeorgeGhoal> this is my first IRC chat day
20090609 15:21:03 * GeorgeGhoal explodes
20090609 15:21:45< GeorgeGhoal> hey! emoting on IRC is exactly like in-game!
20090609 15:23:17< shadowmaster> the regular channel is #wesnoth , though. Don't expect much activity though.
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20090609 15:26:26< CIA-77> loonycyborg * r36102 /trunk/scons/boost.py: Fixed a mistake in autodetection of versioned installation boost.
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20090609 15:38:26< CIA-77> loonycyborg * r36103 /branches/1.6/scons/boost.py: 
20090609 15:38:26< CIA-77> Fixed a mistake in autodetection of versioned installation of boost.
20090609 15:38:26< CIA-77> Cherry-picked from r36102(trunk)
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20090609 15:43:12< shadowmaster> esr: I have the pango-based text rendering for storyscreens ready in my HDD.
20090609 15:43:25< shadowmaster> But it still lacks the typewriter effect.
20090609 15:46:42< esr> shadowmaster: Think you can do the vertical-fade thing instead?
20090609 15:47:14< shadowmaster> possibly, I'm thinking of the best way to do it 
20090609 15:47:19< shadowmaster> I'll commit it for now, enabled under the --new-storyscreens switch (which I guess it's time to document at last) to test that it works with really long paragraphs/multiple paragraphs
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20090609 16:05:22< CIA-77> shadowmaster * r36104 /trunk/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
20090609 16:05:22< CIA-77> Add code that uses Pango for rendering storyscreen text instead of
20090609 16:05:22< CIA-77> SDL_ttf. It is enabled at run-time only if the --shadowm-storyscreens
20090609 16:05:22< CIA-77> switch is passed in the command line.
20090609 16:05:22< CIA-77> At the moment, this code is pretty much untested and messy, and doesn't
20090609 16:05:25< CIA-77> implement any visual effects.
20090609 16:05:50< CIA-77> shadowmaster * r36105 /trunk/src/game.cpp: Rename the --shadowm-storyscreens switch to --new-storyscreens.
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20090609 16:32:36< CIA-77> crab * r36106 /trunk/po/wesnoth/POTFILES.in: POTFILES.in changes after renames in src/ai
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20090609 16:55:57< CIA-77> shadowmaster * r36107 /trunk/src/storyscreen/render.cpp: 
20090609 16:55:57< CIA-77> An unwanted adjust_surface_alpha() call slipped in the Pango-based
20090609 16:55:57< CIA-77> render code commit.
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20090609 23:25:12< CIA-77> soliton * r36108 /branches/1.6/data/campaigns/The_South_Guard/_main.cfg: fixed bug #13659: The South Guard - too many scenarios promised
20090609 23:28:44< Soliton> zookeeper: where is [filter_base_value] documented?
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20090609 23:30:39< Soliton> zookeeper: nevermind, found it.
20090609 23:31:40< Soliton> doesn't say anything about whether it uses and or or on the keys though.
20090609 23:34:01< Sapient> I kinda doubt it
20090609 23:34:21< Sapient> any place that supports boolean expr should be documented
20090609 23:34:42< Soliton> "[filter_base_value]: filters on the value before any modifications; uses the keys equals, not_equals, etc."
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20090609 23:35:53< Soliton> Sapient: it's pretty much broken atm and i'd like to change it from or to and. think that'd be a problem?
20090609 23:37:39< boucman> hey all
20090609 23:39:38< Sapient> Soliton: "from or to and" ?
20090609 23:40:02< Sapient> yo no comprendo
20090609 23:40:18< Soliton> when there is more than one key.
20090609 23:41:44< Soliton> currently steadfast is broken because it assumes conditions are anded.
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20090609 23:41:55< Sapient> ah... 
20090609 23:42:05< Sapient> you would be right to fix it then
20090609 23:42:22< Sapient> that explains much
20090609 23:43:13< Soliton> it's no big deal for mainline but it's annoying for some UMC.
20090609 23:43:24< Sapient> right, I remember that bug
20090609 23:44:25< Soliton> well, actually the logic seems right atm. just confusingly written IMO.
20090609 23:44:37< Soliton> apart from the or/and issue i mean.
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