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20090612 03:26:03< AI0867> wesbot: seen sapient
20090612 03:26:03< wesbot> AI0867: The person with the nick Sapient last spoke 2d ago.  2d ago person left:
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20090612 03:55:53< Sapient> AI0867: looking for me?
20090612 04:05:32< AI0867> Sapient: see developers forum
20090612 04:05:43< AI0867> the "end of game advantage calculator"
20090612 04:05:55< Sapient> did you see my response?
20090612 04:05:58< AI0867> not yet
20090612 04:13:27< Sapient> AI0867: it may be hard to do with WML, but it's easy to do with C++.... that's what new WML actions are for ;)
20090612 04:13:50< Sapient> e.g. write [unit_worth] in C++ like you should have done in the beginning
20090612 04:14:03< Sapient> then let LUA just call it, if desired
20090612 04:16:59< AI0867> probably, I was using it as an excuse to learn LUA
20090612 04:17:55< Sapient> right, I don't really like having trivial tags that are lua-only
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20090612 04:18:24< Sapient> not in mainline
20090612 04:18:43< Sapient> if some UMC author wants to extend the taglist with lua then great
20090612 04:18:59< Sapient> we have the benefit of committing directly to the codebase
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20090612 04:22:08< Sapient> just because we *can* code new mainline WML actions in lua, doesn't mean we *should*
20090612 04:23:16< Sapient> the benefit to UMC authors, though, is great; they obviously can't patch the C++ on the fly so it opens up new possibilities with their existing versions
20090612 04:27:48< Sapient> and if they UMC authors don't understand lua well enough to use it...  then that's a different problem; certainly doesn't mean we should use it more in mainline, though
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20090612 05:26:09< Sapient> cya later, have fun.
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20090612 09:14:17< YogiHH> hi
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20090612 12:25:40< Ivanovic> moin
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20090612 12:51:37< Michael_Puer> hi
20090612 12:52:11< Michael_Puer> is there a roadmap including all features planed for 1.7? like there was one for 1.6?
20090612 13:07:00< Ivanovic> as rhonda already told you in #wesnoth-de: no, there is no roadmap
20090612 13:18:00< Rhonda> For Michael's defense, I said it there later than he asked here. :)
20090612 13:47:13< Michael_Puer> thanks for your support, Rhonda
20090612 13:47:30< Michael_Puer> Thanks for your support Rhonda
20090612 13:47:36< Michael_Puer> gnah!
20090612 13:58:54< Rhonda> But -dev is no support channel.
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20090612 14:40:31< Soliton> http://gna.org/bugs/?13672  won't fix?
20090612 14:41:17< Soliton> we should fix the part were you can change the colour of labels so you can make it look like from someone else.
20090612 14:41:19< shadowmaster> uh... of course.
20090612 14:41:32< shadowmaster> (about the won't fix)
20090612 14:41:53< Ivanovic> Soliton: uhm, since this is a private bug you should give us the https link
20090612 14:41:54< Ivanovic> ;)
20090612 14:42:06< Soliton> oh, didn't notice.
20090612 14:42:22< Soliton> i used the link from the mail i got.
20090612 14:42:47< shadowmaster> the colour part deserves its own bug report
20090612 14:43:04< Soliton> hmm, i wonder if anyone can sign up the bug ml and receive private bugs?
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20090612 14:43:39< Ivanovic> probably yes
20090612 14:44:19< shadowmaster> the archive seems to have it too
20090612 14:44:29< Soliton> heh
20090612 14:48:16< shadowmaster> yup, I am reading the python issues without being logged in to anything
20090612 14:49:12< Soliton> did we setup the bug ml ourselves somehow or did it come automatically with the tracker?
20090612 14:51:25< Ivanovic> i set it up to just subscribe the bugs ml automatically to reports
20090612 14:51:32< Ivanovic> yeah, this is *not* security aware at all
20090612 14:52:43< Ivanovic> okay, changed some stuff
20090612 14:52:54< Ivanovic> private bugs should now not be sent to the bug ml anymore
20090612 14:52:57< Ivanovic> anyone willing to test?
20090612 14:53:00< Soliton> cool.
20090612 14:53:03< Soliton> sure.
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20090612 15:01:17< boucman> hey all
20090612 15:02:07< Soliton> hi boucman, know anything about label colors?
20090612 15:02:21< boucman> terrain labels ?
20090612 15:02:26< boucman> I know that they exist :)
20090612 15:02:35< Soliton> not bad.
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20090612 15:03:28< Soliton> the problem is that currently you can use WML markup to fake the color. so we should either apply the side color later or disable markup again there.
20090612 15:04:31< boucman> Soliton: that was an "unwanted feature" iirc
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20090612 15:04:42< boucman> thoug it's something we probably want to keep somehow
20090612 15:04:59< Soliton> yeah, i know but so far i thought it's not so bad with labels.
20090612 15:05:35< Soliton> and i asked someone to test the color thing... but i just tested myself and it is possible to change the color.
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20090612 15:05:57< Soliton> hmm, the server might actually correct it though.
20090612 15:06:05< boucman> Soliton: so, what's the problem ?
20090612 15:06:15< boucman> educating our users into using pango markup ?
20090612 15:06:41< Soliton> boucman: any team can make their label appear red by prefixing it with # for example.
20090612 15:07:01< Soliton> defeating the purpose of having them team colored.
20090612 15:07:15< boucman> is that an issue ? team labels are invisible to non-team IIRC
20090612 15:07:35< Soliton> it's not pango markup yet, i think but either way it needs to get fixed in 1.6 as well.
20090612 15:07:49< Soliton> it's not only team labels.
20090612 15:07:57< Soliton> any label
20090612 15:09:00< Soliton> for a team label it is less of an issue since you can't tell who made that anyway but you can confuse it with public labels then.
20090612 15:09:06< boucman> Soliton: I honestly I don't know how to fix that (as in : not sure what the correct way of fixing it would be)
20090612 15:09:39< Soliton> well, as i said, disable markup or apply the team color later in the process.
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20090612 15:16:09< Soliton> anyone got the latest bug i posted in the ml?
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20090612 15:28:24< Soliton> would it be mean to mark bug #13672 as an upstream problem and refer him to the unicode project? :-P
20090612 15:30:58< Ivanovic> uhm, no
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20090612 16:12:29< Soliton> boucman: you can't assign a hotkey to scroll tracking of unit actions atm, can you?
20090612 16:12:53< boucman> Soliton: I don't think so
20090612 16:13:11< boucman> I've added it as a pref, not as a possible shortcut and i don't think these are auto-created
20090612 16:13:16< boucman> should be trivial, though
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20090612 16:14:33< Soliton> boucman: might be nice to have (though the problem i'm currently having should actually be solved differently...)
20090612 16:14:55< boucman> Soliton: an EasyCoding task, probably :P
20090612 16:15:18< Soliton> always good to have some of those around. :-)
20090612 16:15:36< boucman> indeed
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20090612 16:15:45< boucman> GSoC has depleted our stash
20090612 16:16:20< boucman> spam ? http://www.wesnoth.org/mw/index.php?title=User_talk:DimaKrov4yk&diff=30692&oldid=prev
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20090612 18:06:31< esr> wesbot: topic
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20090612 18:54:31< zookeeper> i deemed this spam: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=25825
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20090612 18:56:22< mordante> servus
20090612 18:56:35< shadowmaster> definitively spam
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20090612 18:58:53< mordante> ah drat, now I missed a spam message ;-)
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20090612 19:25:18< [Relic]> Hello :)
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20090612 19:45:12< CIA-77> mordante * r36154 /trunk/po/CMakeLists.txt: 
20090612 19:45:12< CIA-77> Add mo update targets per language.
20090612 19:45:12< CIA-77> This is needed for maintenance and thus are the targets only available
20090612 19:45:12< CIA-77> if the maintenance target is enabled.
20090612 19:45:16< CIA-77> mordante * r36155 /trunk/po/CMakeLists.txt: 
20090612 19:45:16< CIA-77> Add po update targets per language.
20090612 19:45:18< CIA-77> This is needed for maintenance and thus are the targets only available
20090612 19:45:20< CIA-77> if the maintenance target is enabled.
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20090612 21:09:41< ancestral> mordante: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=25114
20090612 21:15:55< Soliton> how's the I vs l issue with it?
20090612 21:17:19< ancestral> Well it's serifed, so very easy to distinguish
20090612 21:17:24< mordante> ancestral, at the moment I use the same way to determine fonts as the old code and I had no intention of making that part of the theme code...
20090612 21:17:32< mordante> guess I've to revisit that idea
20090612 21:18:44< mordante> only needs some thought since we still need several fonts to satisfy all translations
20090612 21:19:23< ancestral> I should give you this link
20090612 21:20:19< ancestral> Gentium Basic glyphs: http://scripts.sil.org/CMS/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsi&item_id=Gentium_basic
20090612 21:20:19< ancestral> Gentium glyphs: http://scripts.sil.org/CMS/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsi&item_id=Gentium_glyphs
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20090612 21:22:28< ancestral> mordante: Still seeing some rendering differences in multiplayer/languages/addons windows
20090612 21:22:51< mordante> yeah but still need another font for Arabic and Asian fonts
20090612 21:23:07< ancestral> do we?
20090612 21:24:01< mordante> Gentium doesn't support them
20090612 21:25:14< ancestral> So then the codepoints don't cover the Arabic and Asian glyphs and it goes down the list
20090612 21:26:46< mordante> what do you mean with "down the list" ?
20090612 21:26:53< ancestral> fonts.cfg
20090612 21:27:09< ancestral> It goes to DejaVu and the wqy-znehei nothing is lost
20090612 21:28:52< ancestral> There are codepoints that tell it what glyphs are supported
20090612 21:29:17< mordante> is it the goal to use this instead of DejaVu or add it to a theme?
20090612 21:31:10< ancestral> Well, the goal for me is to have this a theme someone can load. I like it in place of the DejaVu, yes
20090612 21:31:43< ancestral> Ideally I could specify a font to use for the message text and a font for game text
20090612 21:31:54< ancestral> Or even another font for window titles
20090612 21:32:26< mordante> I thought so, but that requires that the font can be selected per language (or language group)
20090612 21:33:29< mordante> you can to use Gentium for Latin/Slavik but not for Asian and Arabic, so there needs a way to express that when you change a font
20090612 21:33:42< ancestral> Doesn't fonts.cfg do that for us?
20090612 21:34:26< ancestral> like: codepoints="32-126,160-259,262-270,282-289" etc.
20090612 21:35:21< mordante> yes that's the use of fonts.cfg but that's not really flexible to change for an addon author 
20090612 21:35:41< mordante> and also doesn't allow to specify different fonts for text and window titles
20090612 21:35:59< ancestral> Right, the latter is just me dreaming :)
20090612 21:36:15< ancestral> But in regards to loading fonts.cfg, could this be done when a theme is loaded?
20090612 21:36:39< ancestral> If an add-on theme had a fonts.cfg in its folder could the game load that in place of the one in hardwired?
20090612 21:37:06< mordante> no it's in the hardwired directory for a good reason ;-)
20090612 21:37:16< ancestral> What reason is that?
20090612 21:37:19< ancestral> I'm serious
20090612 21:37:31< mordante> but idealistically that directory should disappear
20090612 21:37:56< ancestral> Or could we have something like [+fonts]
20090612 21:38:06< ancestral> like with adding units
20090612 21:38:35< mordante> I'm also serious; some parts of the code look for files a hardcoded places (in the c++ code) which can't be changed
20090612 21:38:49< mordante> which is bad and ugly and should be changed
20090612 21:39:00< ancestral> Well that's awesome :)
20090612 21:40:11< mordante> well I want to think about what would be the best way to make the font configurable for the addon author
20090612 21:41:07< ancestral> Sounds awesome. I really just wanted to show I updated the theme.
20090612 21:41:31< ancestral> Probably my #1 gripe is the loading of actual themes. It sucks right now :)
20090612 21:41:53< mordante> the problem is that Gentium only supports a subsection of DejaVu, so it needs to be selected per language
20090612 21:42:31< mordante> if you use Gentium and the language is Hebrew it should use DejaVu, but Gentium for English works well
20090612 21:42:41< ancestral> Exactly
20090612 21:43:15< ancestral> I like how fonts.cfg does it. If a theme were to specify which codepoints it uses and the game could somehow take that, I think that would be spiffy
20090612 21:43:34< mordante> so we need to find a syntax to only honour the request if it makes sense for that language and I'm not sure whether that can be easily determined runtime
20090612 21:44:52< ancestral> One option would be to have a cfg file that could specify what alphabets should use it (e.g. Hebrew, Cyrillic, Greek, Latin)
20090612 21:45:02< ancestral> The game makes a check when it loads the theme
20090612 21:45:21< mordante> yup, that's what I mean with language group before
20090612 21:46:22< mordante> I want to make it easier to support themes in WML, but I first want to convert more of the game to the new themes before I start on that
20090612 21:46:31< ancestral> Of course
20090612 21:47:16< ancestral> *sigh* I really need to try building Wesnoth again
20090612 21:47:30< mordante> I'll the part about the fonts to my todo list, but it might take some time
20090612 21:47:45< mordante> what's the problem with building Wesnoth?
20090612 21:47:48< ancestral> No problem, thanks for hearing me out
20090612 21:48:15< ancestral> Well, just trying to build it in Mac OS X with fink and I've been getting errros... I'll have to ask penguin at some point
20090612 21:48:24< ancestral> I just don't have a lot of time
20090612 21:49:13 * crimson_penguin appears
20090612 21:49:17< ancestral> Hi!
20090612 21:49:22< crimson_penguin> Hej
20090612 21:49:25< ancestral> Yeah, maybe I can PM you at some point
20090612 21:49:30< mordante> talk about the devil ;-)
20090612 21:49:36< mordante> hi crimson_penguin 
20090612 21:50:04< mordante> you're welcome ancestral 
20090612 21:50:22< crimson_penguin> ancestral: Well, did you try with my compiling package? If so, what problems?
20090612 21:50:26< crimson_penguin> hi mordante 
20090612 21:50:42< crimson_penguin> mordante: by the way, it's usually said "speak of the devil" ;)
20090612 21:51:28< mordante> crimson_penguin, hmm yes I know that, now I idea why my fingers cheated on me :-/
20090612 21:53:03< elynia> evil fingers
20090612 21:54:21< ancestral> crimson_penguin: I'm not at that computer atm I'll need to find where I got stuck
20090612 21:54:32< crimson_penguin> ancestral: you are on 10.5, right?
20090612 21:54:35< ancestral> Yep
20090612 21:54:40< crimson_penguin> K
20090612 21:55:22< ancestral> crimson_penguin: last I remembered I was still trying to download all the support packages through fink. I think something through there wasn't installing
20090612 21:55:44< crimson_penguin> ancestral: uhhh, with my compiling package, you shouldn't need anything else
20090612 21:55:52< ancestral> o rly
20090612 21:55:53< crimson_penguin> I even included the SDL frameworks
20090612 21:58:09< crimson_penguin> yeah, it has all the libraries and headers included
20090612 21:59:25< ancestral> from here? http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=89495&package_id=128407
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20090612 22:05:48< ancestral> crimson_penguin: I'll give it another shot if I have time tonight. Driving 4 hours to Madison today
20090612 22:06:17< crimson_penguin> yeah, wesnoth_compile_mac_1.6.1.zip 
20090612 22:06:29< crimson_penguin> cool :)
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20090612 22:17:42< cjhopman> ancestral: what're you going to Madison for? (I'm in school there)
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20090612 22:40:44< mordante> I'm off night
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20090612 23:16:27< shadowmaster> .ign files are not working in 1.6
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20090612 23:47:48< Gnutoo> hi,I didn't have time until now to cross-compile boost-1.39.0 svn version,now that I have this boost version I can make a bugreport to boost but I'd like to verify that it's still boost's fault because the stacktrace have changed
20090612 23:48:05< Gnutoo> mmm...mordante is not there
20090612 23:48:30 * Gnutoo is awaiting for the segmentation fault to appear...he will have the backtrace soon
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20090612 23:57:33< Gnutoo> hi, is there someone there
20090612 23:57:34< Gnutoo> ?
20090612 23:57:57< loonycyborg> Nope :P
20090612 23:57:57< Gnutoo> I'd like an advise on a segmentation fault
20090612 23:57:59< Gnutoo> in wesnoth
20090612 23:59:08< loonycyborg> I remember you having that segfault which didn't have a very useful stacktrace..
20090612 23:59:28< Gnutoo> http://pastebin.com/m5b6a43b4
20090612 23:59:37< Gnutoo> ah
20090612 23:59:53< Gnutoo> yes but it seems a different stacktrace....I'll check
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