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20090613 00:01:24< Gnutoo> loonycyborg, mmm I don't know...the boost part seem different
20090613 00:01:47< Gnutoo> loonycyborg, the old stacktrace is at http://192.168.1.1/wesnoth/backtrace_0002.txt
20090613 00:02:51< loonycyborg> Gnutoo: What a concoidence! 192.168.1.1 is IP of my home router :P
20090613 00:03:00< Gnutoo> loonycyborg, oops sorry
20090613 00:03:24< Gnutoo> http://gnutoo.homelinux.org/wesnoth/backtrace_0002.txt
20090613 00:05:08< loonycyborg> *coincidence
20090613 00:06:23< loonycyborg> Both bts seem to involve regex's perl matcher.
20090613 00:07:42< Gnutoo> here's a full bt full http://pastebin.com/m7e22d03d
20090613 00:07:44< Gnutoo> ok
20090613 00:07:50< Gnutoo> so it's still boost?
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20090613 00:12:59< loonycyborg> Maybe yes and maybe no..
20090613 00:16:40< loonycyborg> Are you sure you're using the same version of compiler to compile boost.regex and wesnoth? I was getting weird issues with regex on mingw which was fixed by compiling boost with the same gcc version as wesnoth.
20090613 00:17:10< Gnutoo> yes
20090613 00:17:14< Gnutoo> I'm shure
20090613 00:17:23< Gnutoo> I'll recompile it if you want
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20090613 00:17:57< Gnutoo> how can I check
20090613 00:17:57< Gnutoo> ?
20090613 00:18:07< Gnutoo> s/I'm shure//
20090613 00:18:24< Gnutoo> is it encoded into the ELF?
20090613 00:18:51< loonycyborg> Perhaps. I ensured that by recompiling both boost and wesnoth.
20090613 00:21:47< Gnutoo> ok
20090613 00:29:14< loonycyborg> Or that could be UB that causes segfaults only on gcc-arm..
20090613 00:30:16< Gnutoo> UB???
20090613 00:30:20< loonycyborg> Perhaps you could try compiling/running boost.regex regression tests/examples.
20090613 00:30:35< Gnutoo> ah there are test and exemple already avaliables?
20090613 00:30:35< loonycyborg> Undefined behavior.
20090613 00:30:40< Gnutoo> ah ok
20090613 00:31:23< Gnutoo> by UB you mean assumption that are only true for x86 and that aren't for arm
20090613 00:31:30< loonycyborg> Yes. In boost_root/libs/regex/examples and /test
20090613 00:31:37< Gnutoo> wow thanks a lot
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20090613 00:34:45< loonycyborg> You can do some things in C++ that aren't outright forbidden by compile errors but behavior is unspecified. In this case it can indeed be diferent on arm than on x86.
20090613 00:39:01< Polarina> Conforming compilers that encounter undefined behaviors are allowed to literally stab you with a knife.
20090613 00:41:04< Gnutoo> yes I know
20090613 00:41:25< Gnutoo> mmm...how do I compile only the tests?
20090613 00:42:14< loonycyborg> cd to libs/regex/test and run bjam here.
20090613 00:43:03< Gnutoo> that's what I did with a lot of arguments
20090613 00:43:48< Gnutoo> http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/m2e371c10
20090613 00:44:03< Gnutoo> maybe I should do a recipe
20090613 00:44:51< loonycyborg> It works fine for me without any arguments.
20090613 00:45:18< Soliton> shadowmaster: works fine here.
20090613 00:45:56< Gnutoo> ok
20090613 00:46:38< Gnutoo> I fear that it will use my system's toolchain and libs instead of my cross-compiler...I'll try a recipe
20090613 00:46:47< Gnutoo> *making a recipe
20090613 00:47:06< loonycyborg> Soliton: I saw _server.ign in ~/.wesnoth/data/campaigns/Invasion_from_the_Unknown with my own eyes :P
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20090613 00:47:38< loonycyborg> Gnutoo: http://www.boost.org/doc/tools/build/doc/html/bbv2/tasks/crosscompile.html
20090613 00:47:52< Gnutoo> thanks a lot
20090613 00:49:17< loonycyborg> The annoying thing about adding to user-config.jam is that you must remember to pass --user-config to bjam or place user-config.jam in $HOME
20090613 00:51:30< Soliton> loonycyborg: i've uploaded an add-on with that _server.ign file just fine.
20090613 00:51:35< Gnutoo> ok thanks
20090613 00:52:58< loonycyborg> Soliton: Have you tried uploading IftU?
20090613 00:53:03< loonycyborg> *downloading
20090613 00:53:20< Soliton> i have all add-ons.
20090613 00:54:06< Soliton> i can only imagine iftu was uploaded with something that doesn't care for ignore files.
20090613 00:54:42< Gnutoo> it says ...found 2 targets.... and that's all...I'm sorry to bother you for such details
20090613 00:56:13< loonycyborg> Weird.. It finds 1347 targets for me :P
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20090613 00:58:57< loonycyborg> Are you working with boost trunk? releases aren't based on trunk. Instead they manually commit patches to release branch,
20090613 00:59:27< loonycyborg> There's a possibility that unit test don't even work in trunk..
20090613 01:00:55< Soliton> btw, seems to me ignore patterns should be case insensitive. otherwise some poor user of a case insensitive filesystem is going to write a _SERVER.PBL and it's going to get uploaded...
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20090613 01:08:07< Gnutoo> mmm...I nearly get it
20090613 01:08:09< loonycyborg> Gnutoo: Actually I'm not surprised if regression tests don't work with cross-compile since it involves running things.
20090613 01:08:16< Gnutoo> yes
20090613 01:08:21< Gnutoo> it runs things
20090613 01:08:37< Gnutoo> I need to run that on the target
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20090613 01:13:45< Gnutoo> maybe it's related to: warning: Building Boost.Regex with the optional Unicode/ICU support disabled.
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20090613 01:16:12< loonycyborg> I doubt it.. It should work both with and without.
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20090613 01:25:15< Jetrel> noy, esr, Sirp:  okay, what the hell do we have left to do to officially get this WSAS underway?  Kitty just sent me a "what's taking so long?" PM.
20090613 01:26:04< Jetrel> AFAICT we should have all the paperwork in order;  we have drafts of the policy, the announcement, the questionnaire, and the wiki-info page all in place.
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20090613 01:41:41< Gnutoo> nearly all tests were passed
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20090613 01:44:17< Gnutoo> I'll test more tomorrow
20090613 01:44:21< Gnutoo> bye
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20090613 01:46:22< noy> Jetrel: go for it
20090613 01:46:30< noy> I thought it was ready already
20090613 01:46:51< Jetrel> noy:  go for it, meaning "make the announcement?"
20090613 01:46:58< noy> yup
20090613 01:47:22< Jetrel> noy:  right.  I want to get one other vote of confidence - Sirp, and then I'll do so.
20090613 01:47:41< noy> Jetrel: I think he's pro getting stuff done now
20090613 01:48:22< Jetrel> noy:  thanks, though.  BTW, we -are- moving the submission deadline back, right?
20090613 01:48:30< noy>  yeah
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20090613 01:50:17< Jetrel> noy:  so, what exactly is our submission deadline going to be?
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20090613 01:50:49< Jetrel> June 19th?  21st?
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20090613 01:51:54< noy> it was supposed to be the 15th
20090613 01:52:00< noy> so we can make it the 22nd?
20090613 01:53:17 * Jetrel nods.
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20090613 06:45:26< esr> Jetrel: Beats me, I'm not specifically involved in WSAS, unless someone has drafted me into a riole I don't know about.
20090613 06:45:34< Jetrel> esr:  hello
20090613 06:45:51< Jetrel> esr:  uh, I don't quite know who's involved either.
20090613 06:46:22< Jetrel> I guess I'm going to announce it, though I'd definitely appreciate if you could proof the announcement I sent to the ML
20090613 06:46:36< Jetrel> I can snag a URL for that momentarily.
20090613 06:47:09< esr> OK.
20090613 06:47:39< Jetrel> esr:  here:  it starts after the line that says "this is a draft"   https://mail.gna.org/public/wesnoth-dev/2009-06/msg00006.html
20090613 06:49:33< Jetrel> Hmm,  "follow suit" might be more diplomatically stated as "engage in similar ventures".
20090613 06:50:15< Jetrel> I also intend to append one line at the end, stating that "Applications are open until the deadline of June 22nd."
20090613 06:51:25< esr> Reading...
20090613 06:51:56< esr> "wesnoth" in graph 2 needs to be capitalized.
20090613 06:52:24< Jetrel> Okay. :)
20090613 06:52:41< esr> Likewise in the bullet list.
20090613 06:53:10< esr> A bit puncjier if you say "flipping burgers" rather than "foodservice".
20090613 06:53:21< esr> Otherwise, looks fine.
20090613 06:53:32< esr> And now I'm off to sleep.
20090613 06:53:47< Jetrel> Right then.  Thanks a bunch.  :)
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20090613 06:54:54< Jetrel> YES.
20090613 06:55:01< Jetrel> Sirp:  just the guy I was looking for
20090613 06:55:15< Sirp> Jetrel: ?
20090613 06:55:36< Jetrel> Sirp:  can you take a look at the WSAS announcement I have written before I post it to the forums?
20090613 06:55:42< Jetrel> https://mail.gna.org/public/wesnoth-dev/2009-06/msg00006.html
20090613 06:56:08< Jetrel> Sirp:  I -think- we're ready to post it, but I want to be sure.
20090613 06:56:37< Jetrel> I also intend to append one line at the end, stating that "Applications are open until the deadline of June 22nd."
20090613 06:58:14< Sirp> Jetrel: "food service" is two words. :)
20090613 06:59:09< Jetrel> Yeah.  Esr suggested making it punchier by changing it to "Flipping burgers", which GSoC actually has on the document I based this on, and I think I'll change it as such.
20090613 06:59:34< Sirp> Jetrel: it looks good. Can you please note somewhere that scholarships received may be taxable, but we can't give tax advice, and participants should check with a tax advisor if they are concerned.
20090613 06:59:50< Sirp> Jetrel: yeah flipping burgers is good
20090613 07:00:17< Jetrel> Sirp:  ah.  Should I put that tax stuff in the announcement, or in the wiki page, or .... gee, I should probably do both.
20090613 07:01:01< Jetrel> Sirp:  also...  ehheh.  Do we know exactly what amount the scholarship is going to be, or is that variable depending on how many slots are open?
20090613 07:01:23< Sirp> Jetrel: on the wiki it'd be good to have a section on 'payment' including method of payment (PayPal is ideal) and includes the tax thing.
20090613 07:01:30< Sirp> Jetrel: $1500 is what we're expecting.
20090613 07:01:57< Jetrel> Right...
20090613 07:03:20< Jetrel> I'm not sure what to put about "method of payment"?
20090613 07:03:41< Sirp> Jetrel: say that we'll be using PayPal, but if people are concerned about that or want to request an alternative they can contact us and discuss.
20090613 07:06:32< Jetrel> http://pastebin.com/d313abb45
20090613 07:10:02< Jetrel> Sirp:  I'm going to post the final announcement in the mod forum, have you give it a look (unless you feel it's ready based on our comments), and then post it as a global announcement.
20090613 07:10:14< Sirp> Jetrel: loks good
20090613 07:14:16< Jetrel> Sirp:  http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=25836
20090613 07:14:26< Jetrel> I made the edit to the wiki page.
20090613 07:15:18< Jetrel> Grr.  I really need an intro paragraph for this wiki page.
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20090613 07:35:15< Jetrel> Intro paragraph is done; copying the full writeup of the policy onto the wiki page.
20090613 07:52:07< Jetrel> Almost done..
20090613 07:57:33< Jetrel> Sirp:  done.   http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/Wesnoth_Summer_Art_Scholarship_Policy
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20090613 10:37:49< mordante> servus
20090613 10:37:57< Blueblaze> servus?
20090613 10:38:12< Blueblaze> I am your servant?
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20090613 10:39:54< silene> hi
20090613 10:40:01< mordante> hi silene 
20090613 10:40:16< mordante> Blueblaze, no just a greeting
20090613 10:41:05< Ivanovic> moin
20090613 10:41:38< mordante> hi Ivanovic 
20090613 10:43:32< Jetrel> mordante:  hi
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20090613 10:45:04< karmaGfa> hello
20090613 10:45:37< mordante> hi karmaGfa 
20090613 10:46:30< karmaGfa> I am a game programmer and I would like to make a small game demo using some arts of the game battle for wesnoth
20090613 10:46:41< karmaGfa> I would like to know what is the license for the art
20090613 10:47:04< mordante> GPL like the rest of the game
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20090613 10:47:42< karmaGfa> I plan to release the code of the small demo with its binary
20090613 10:47:55< karmaGfa> however, one of the library that my demo will use is not open source
20090613 10:47:59< karmaGfa> can I still use it ?
20090613 10:49:01< Jetrel> karmaGfa:  I believe you can, and I for one would be fine with the art reuse regardless, although I can't speak for every contributor.
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20090613 10:50:04< karmaGfa> the library that is not open source is Jnag, a network library that I am developping with the hope to sell it later. Does it change anything with respect to the license ?
20090613 10:50:46< mordante> what license do you want to put jnag under?
20090613 10:50:55< Jetrel> I don't think it does, because it's not 'your codebase', it's something you're linking to.  I could be wrong, though.
20090613 10:51:07< Jetrel> ¬_¬  but if I'm wrong, I don't want to be right.
20090613 10:51:19< Jetrel> or something.
20090613 10:51:35< karmaGfa> Jnag was LGPL during the last few years until january where I stopped to put the new version in LGPL, in order to sell it to game companies
20090613 10:51:57< karmaGfa> well .. Jnag is "my" codebase
20090613 10:52:19< karmaGfa> I wrote it with my 10 fingers
20090613 10:52:35< Jetrel> You have only 10?  Poor man.  :)
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20090613 10:53:18< karmaGfa> I start from scratch, I do not have the founds to pay an artist .. so I am seeking some nice graphisms to use .. and contribute to the open source by releasing the code of the demo
20090613 10:53:24 * mordante is happy to have 1010 of them ;-)
20090613 10:53:40< Jetrel> thespaceinvader:  the announcement for the WSAS is up.  :)
20090613 10:53:47< silene> karmaGfa: if your demo still works when linked with an older version of jnag still under lgpl, you can use gpl images in your demo; if not, you can't
20090613 10:53:48< karmaGfa> I can't release the one of the lib right now, but I plan to release it with a few months of delay, once I start to get incomes
20090613 10:54:08< Jetrel> thespaceinvader:  Check the forums.
20090613 10:54:14< thespaceinvader> Jetrel: I saw
20090613 10:54:27< thespaceinvader> it's one of my things to do today
20090613 10:54:37< karmaGfa> silene: hm .. the demo is supposed to demonstrate the version that I am developping right now
20090613 10:54:39< thespaceinvader> along with scout line
20090613 10:55:34< karmaGfa> mordante: he he
20090613 10:55:45< Jetrel> karmaGfa:  also note that even if you're technically breaking the law, we're absurdly unlikely to go after you.  We reserve the right, but realistically, it's not gonna happen.  I can't legally give you permission to do it, but I can say the chances of us prosecuting are ... about nil.  We have better things to do with our time and money.
20090613 10:55:47< mordante> Jetrel, This is both beneficial for wesnoth s/wesnoth/Wesnoth/
20090613 10:55:55< silene> karmaGfa: then it's definitely a closed-source development and you will have to ask for the right from the authors of the respective images
20090613 10:56:50 * Blueblaze randomly adds that anything said in here does not constitute as legal advice
20090613 10:57:08< Jetrel> Indeed.
20090613 10:57:38< mordante> Jetrel, that's no correct the individual artists can also start to sue (and I'm also no lawyer)
20090613 10:57:42< mordante> not*
20090613 10:58:06< karmaGfa> until today, I didn't know that GPL was suitable for arts
20090613 10:58:22< Jetrel> mordante:   Yes.  I can state that I believe that no one is going to sue.  The fact that I believe it is correct, whether my belief is valid or not.
20090613 10:58:23< mordante> Jetrel, Help wesnoth identify s/wesnoth/Wesnoth/
20090613 10:58:29< karmaGfa> until now, I mostly saw the use of the Creative Common License for arts
20090613 11:00:53< karmaGfa> how many artists worked on the sprites that represents armies on the map ?
20090613 11:01:09< karmaGfa> 10 ? 100 ? 500 ?
20090613 11:01:36< Ivanovic> http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/Credits#Artwork_and_Graphics
20090613 11:02:21< Blueblaze> karmaGfa: too many to contact :p
20090613 11:02:49< thespaceinvader> karmaGfa: of the order of about 50 or so in total, with a few major artists who contributed large amounts
20090613 11:03:07< thespaceinvader> but many of them have since basically disappeared
20090613 11:03:18< karmaGfa> maybe I can contact the large contributors first and only use their own work
20090613 11:04:17< mordante> another option would be to dual license your work eg GPL and a commercial one (no idea how you feel about that of course)
20090613 11:04:21< Blueblaze> If you're looking for unit art (minus animations) pretty much all the contributors are fairly active
20090613 11:05:28< Blueblaze> Imo, it is a lost cause to try to contact everyone who has worked on animations, of course its all up to your desire for them though
20090613 11:05:34< karmaGfa> mordante: I don't feel like it is gonna work
20090613 11:05:39< karmaGfa> specially here in Taiwan
20090613 11:05:58< thespaceinvader> i think you would be able to license the artwork under GPL without having the game it's attached to GPL
20090613 11:06:10< thespaceinvader> is that right, anyone who knows mroe about licensing than me?
20090613 11:06:19< Blueblaze> Yes, not everything has to be the same license
20090613 11:06:31< Blueblaze> Music can be one license, art another, code another, etc.. etc..
20090613 11:06:35< Jetrel> It's right enough that a number of groups have done it.
20090613 11:06:59< Jetrel> Planescape, or maybe it's a different RPG, has one license for art (closed), and another for code.
20090613 11:07:05< Blueblaze> Well, it happens all the time with commercial projects
20090613 11:07:23< Blueblaze> Several engines are open sourced yet everything else is closed
20090613 11:11:16< Jetrel> Also, not to rain on your parade, but I'd be really leery of attempting a business model of licensing a library.  For example, I would pretty much never trust hinging any of my business as a developer on a library that wasn't either open-source, or from a AAA vendor like Apple, IBM, or Microsoft.
20090613 11:11:45< Ivanovic> karmaGfa: this dual licensing stuff does work, it is what trolltech does for Qt
20090613 11:11:53< Ivanovic> there is one gpl version that is free
20090613 11:12:10< Ivanovic> and people who want to write commercial closed source software using qt have to buy a license
20090613 11:12:12< Jetrel> If you think you can pull it off, more power to you, but I think it's a fool's errand.
20090613 11:12:46< karmaGfa> Ivanovic: the problem is that I am 1 person, not a company, I don't have any founding to amortize any violation of the license by companies from all around the world
20090613 11:13:06< Ivanovic> karmaGfa: you have the free software foundation
20090613 11:13:16< Ivanovic> since this is a missuse of the GPL they do help
20090613 11:13:23< Ivanovic> that is: if you get to know of the abuse
20090613 11:13:32< karmaGfa> I can't practically go to check which game is using my lib without buying it
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20090613 11:13:39< karmaGfa> because I will be busy to code
20090613 11:13:46< Ivanovic> they have done so already with several large companies that used busybox in their routers without publishing the code
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20090613 11:15:37< silene> Jetrel: no, it doesn't have to be open source, as you can buy the source along the library; for instance, windows is definitely not open source, but lots of societies (e.g. mine) have access to its source
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20090613 11:17:00< Jetrel> silene:  sure; I meant as a point of scale that smale-scale dev efforts tend to be much less general/reuseable than large-scale OSS or AAA-vendor solutions.
20090613 11:17:36< Jetrel> There are exceptions, but I'm always naturally leery of a "long ranger" coder.
20090613 11:18:50< Jetrel> s/long/lone
20090613 11:18:58< Jetrel> xD  Long Ranger.
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20090613 11:28:16< karmaGfa> who are the largest army sprite contributors ?
20090613 11:30:32< karmaGfa> FYI: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#GPLOtherThanSoftware
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20090613 13:48:57< karmaGfa> (re-)hello
20090613 13:49:27< karmaGfa> sorry, I missed the answer to my previous questions a few hours ago before I fall asleep.
20090613 13:49:32< karmaGfa> It was : who are the largest army sprite contributors ?
20090613 13:49:43< silene> AI0867: note that you can simply use the prompt to type lua commands, you don't need a dedicated event like the one you added to the test scenario
20090613 13:58:13< stikonas> karmaGfa: nobody talked while you were sleeping
20090613 13:58:21< loonycyborg> 'army sprite contributors'? :/
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20090613 14:00:47< karmaGfa> how do you call the icons of the armies on the map ?
20090613 14:01:15< loonycyborg> Units?
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20090613 14:33:37< AI0867> has anyone submitted a story about WSAS to slashdot yet?
20090613 14:34:13< CIA-77> silene * r36156 /trunk/data/scenario-test.cfg: Fixed incorrectly overridden menu item.
20090613 14:34:21< CIA-77> silene * r36157 /trunk/data/lua/wml-tags.lua: Simplified [unit_worth] code.
20090613 14:35:56< Ivanovic> AI0867: it is IMO not *MEANT* to go to /.
20090613 14:36:08< Ivanovic> at least not in the first year!
20090613 14:37:47< AI0867> I'll keep silent then
20090613 14:40:07< silene> Ivanovic: why not? it's a good opportunity to advertise wesnoth and that being an artist can also pay
20090613 14:40:55< Ivanovic> silene: because of capacity reasons
20090613 14:41:04< Ivanovic> who should review the amount of applications that would get in?
20090613 14:41:13< Ivanovic> it would all have to be done by jetryl
20090613 14:41:24< Ivanovic> and with >10 applications this will get hell for him
20090613 14:42:20< silene> if you want less than 10 applications, why even bother publicizing it? let just give the money to one of the contributors
20090613 14:53:06< loonycyborg> Is there something like /. but for artists? :P
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20090613 16:50:10< CIA-77> mordante * r36158 /trunk/src/gui/widgets/ (3 files): Forward tcontainer_::find_widget(id, ...).
20090613 16:50:17< CIA-77> mordante * r36159 /trunk/src/gui/widgets/ (generator.cpp generator_private.hpp): 
20090613 16:50:17< CIA-77> Fix the initialization of the generator grids.
20090613 16:50:17< CIA-77> The initialization depends much on the selection_action so moved the
20090613 16:50:17< CIA-77> function there and separated it for the select and visible version.
20090613 16:50:20< CIA-77> mordante * r36160 /trunk/data/gui/default/window/campaign_dialog.cfg: 
20090613 16:50:20< CIA-77> Polish the definition of the campaign dialog.
20090613 16:50:22< CIA-77> The dialog now looks fine, only the scrollbars don't work yet.
20090613 16:50:25< CIA-77> mordante * r36161 /trunk/src/gui/widgets/ (generator.cpp generator_private.hpp): 
20090613 16:50:26< CIA-77> Implement find_widget(coord,...) for tindependant.
20090613 16:50:28< CIA-77> This fixes the scrollbar problem mentioned in the last commit.
20090613 16:50:34< CIA-77> mordante * r36162 /trunk/ (changelog players_changelog src/game.cpp): 
20090613 16:50:34< CIA-77> Made the gui2 campaign dialog the default.
20090613 16:50:36< CIA-77> Fixes Debian bug #497655.
20090613 16:50:40< CIA-77> mordante * r36163 /trunk/src/ (dialogs.cpp dialogs.hpp): Remove the last part of the old campaign dialog.
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20090613 17:20:55< karmaGfa> I have the source of the version 1.7.0, but I can't find the graphics for the units, does someone know where they are located ?
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20090613 17:23:58< Soliton> data/core/images/units/
20090613 17:24:44< karmaGfa> thx
20090613 17:40:02< karmaGfa> those are the config files, I can't find the pictures
20090613 17:43:47< loonycyborg> data/core/*images*/units/
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20090613 17:47:05< karmaGfa> oh, ok .. thx :)
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20090613 18:35:32< mordante> anybody against removing the show_tip_of_day preference?
20090613 18:38:31< EdB> mordante: why don't you want it ?
20090613 18:39:09< mordante> EdB, since I think nobody knows the preference exists
20090613 18:39:40< EdB> oh! but it harmless :)
20090613 18:40:13< mordante> depends on how much you believe in OAB ;-)
20090613 18:40:32< EdB> don't know OAB
20090613 18:40:51< mordante> I just wonder whether anybody knows about that preference, so if not used I prefer to remove it
20090613 18:40:57< mordante> Options Are Bad
20090613 18:41:46< EdB> welll ... mmm ... I use KDE :)
20090613 18:42:53< mordante> the KDE people misread it as Options Are Beautiful ;-P
20090613 18:44:32< EdB> I guess :)
20090613 18:45:52< Sirp> mordante: yeah I think we can remove it. It's not like we show a pop up dialog.
20090613 18:45:58< Sirp> I think we have the perfect interface for tip of the day. :)
20090613 18:46:26< mordante> I think so too :-) 
20090613 18:51:48< mordante> I'll remove it then
20090613 19:02:47< silene> mordante: the campaign dialog fills the whole screen; is it expected?
20090613 19:03:14< mordante> silene, yes
20090613 19:03:36< mordante> you dislike it?
20090613 19:03:49< silene> yes, that's a lot of empty space, i find it a bit ugly
20090613 19:03:55< CIA-77> mordante * r36164 /trunk/data/gui/default/window/title_screen.cfg: Properly align the menu in the new titlescreen.
20090613 19:03:59< CIA-77> mordante * r36165 /trunk/data/gui/default/window/title_screen.cfg: Properly prefix the titlescreen macros with _GUI.
20090613 19:04:04< CIA-77> mordante * r36166 /trunk/src/gui/dialogs/title_screen.cpp: Some minor code polishing.
20090613 19:04:08< CIA-77> mordante * r36167 /trunk/src/ (titlescreen.cpp titlescreen.hpp): 
20090613 19:04:08< CIA-77> Expose a bit of the tips of day implementation.
20090613 19:04:08< CIA-77> This is needed to share the code between to old an new titlescreen code.
20090613 19:04:18< CIA-77> mordante * r36168 /trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
20090613 19:04:18< CIA-77> Removed the option to disable the tips of the day.
20090613 19:04:18< CIA-77> The option was hidden and not even sure anybody is/was aware of the
20090613 19:04:18< CIA-77> feature.
20090613 19:04:43< silene> about a third of the screen area is just plain gray
20090613 19:06:13< mordante> silene, I just tested with a larger window and it indeed doesn't look to great there
20090613 19:06:13< silene> and that's because i'm running at minimal resolution; it gets worse at higher resolutions
20090613 19:06:27< silene> mordante: ^ :))
20090613 19:06:30< mordante> what's your minimal resolution?
20090613 19:06:36< silene> 1024x768
20090613 19:06:54< silene> isn't that the minimal resolution without --smallgui?
20090613 19:07:27< Ivanovic> that is 800x600
20090613 19:08:39< silene> indeed, and at 800x600, the dialog looks somehow good; though it would probably look better if it wasn't filling the whole range vertically
20090613 19:12:05< mordante> silene, it's a bit awkward to do with the current code, but I can look for a solution tomorrow
20090613 19:12:32< silene> also, the location of the buttons is a bit strange: the OK button is centered and the Cancel button is justified to the right
20090613 19:13:14< silene> both should be at the same place
20090613 19:15:15< mordante> they're both right aligned, only both columns are the same width, commit a fix in a second
20090613 19:16:31< CIA-77> mordante * r36169 /trunk/data/gui/default/window/campaign_dialog.cfg: Properly align the campaign ok button.
20090613 19:16:34< mordante> silene, ^
20090613 19:17:06< silene> thanks
20090613 19:17:47< mordante> you're welcome
20090613 19:18:08< mordante> I'm off now if you have more issues, just leave them in the log, bye
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20090613 19:35:45< silene> Soliton: i'm now "victorious" when i lose a mp game; does that ring a bell?
20090613 19:36:10< Soliton> silene: nope.
20090613 19:39:15< silene> i will bisect it then
20090613 19:40:13< Soliton> i'd guess some of the refactoring steps from euschn, maybe.
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20090613 19:47:44< norbert_> recover32, he's a local player?
20090613 19:47:53< norbert_> what does that mean, he has access to the server?
20090613 19:48:11< norbert_> he just created a game with 6 people and left after the first turn for unknown reasons
20090613 19:48:27< norbert_> he's not setting a good example, is he
20090613 19:49:52< norbert_> maybe in multi player when people quit the game should give a pop-up asking for a reason with a default line "no specific reason"
20090613 19:51:20< Soliton> a local player is local to the host player.
20090613 19:51:48< Soliton> i.e. the host plays more than one side.
20090613 19:52:06< norbert_> ok, thanks for clearing that up
20090613 20:00:14< crimson_penguin> MP server went down, just as I was trying to start a game :(
20090613 20:02:21< norbert_> yeah, I was in the middle of a game, ah well
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20090613 20:15:38< silene> Soliton: it's suokko's commit 35883 (or yours 35906, without which suokko's commit doesn't work)
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20090613 20:19:48< crimson_penguin> it'd be nice if it were possible to have custom wml to view things when it's not your turn - for instance, what "items" you have
20090613 20:22:55< Soliton> silene: i guess you don't mean losing by turn limit? because that works fine here.
20090613 20:23:41< silene> Soliton: no, losing because every leaders on my team died (note that i wasn't the last one to die, so that may matter)
20090613 20:23:57< Soliton> ok, yeah. i can reproduce that.
20090613 20:25:33< Soliton> silene: can you try a revision before suokko's commit but with the change i made?
20090613 20:27:29< silene> compiling
20090613 20:28:48< CIA-77> ivanovic * r36170 /branches/1.6/ (265 files in 7 dirs): 
20090613 20:28:48< CIA-77> pot-update (several new/changed strings, cf i18n ml)
20090613 20:28:48< CIA-77> regenerated doc files
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20090613 20:31:12< silene> Soliton: it's your fix
20090613 20:35:31< Soliton> ok, i guess it must be the is_local() call in actions.cpp then.
20090613 20:35:52< Soliton> right, i guess a local side did win. :-)
20090613 20:36:26< Soliton> i suppose local there should mean allied.
20090613 20:36:36< CIA-77> ivanovic * r36171 /trunk/po/wesnoth/POTFILES.in: update list of source files
20090613 20:36:58< silene> Soliton: i checked all the is_local calls, and they look like they are all wrong with your fix, except for the one in play_controller.cpp
20090613 20:37:19< silene> could you double check?
20090613 20:38:10< CIA-77> ivanovic * r36172 /branches/1.6/po/ (4 files in 4 dirs): updated German translation
20090613 20:38:29< Soliton> i did too and i can only see that the actions.cpp call is wrong. what about the others?
20090613 20:39:39< silene> sorry, menu_events.cpp is not wrong
20090613 20:40:06< silene> playsingle_controller.cpp seems to be, since there is no reason to show the report if the ai won
20090613 20:40:53< silene> team.cpp seems also wrong, since the host of a game with ais should not be prevented from observing the game
20090613 20:41:01< Soliton> hmm, yeah that should also be allied sides.
20090613 20:41:45< Soliton> if a player has a side he is not an observer.
20090613 20:43:39< silene> but what if the player has no side, but he hosts a game, then is_observer currently returns false because of the AIs; am i wrong?
20090613 20:43:43< Soliton> that's how the server sees it anyway.
20090613 20:44:15< Soliton> if he has no side then he has no AI sides either.
20090613 20:45:44< CIA-77> ivanovic * r36173 /trunk/po/ (587 files in 12 dirs): 
20090613 20:45:44< CIA-77> pot-update
20090613 20:45:44< CIA-77> regenerated doc files
20090613 20:47:14< Polarina> Ivanovic: The changes to bug #13664 are incorrect.
20090613 20:47:29< silene> Soliton: i don't understand; even if a user doesn't play, he should still be able to let an ai play, no? (i haven't tested recently, but i'm sure it worked some times ago)
20090613 20:47:30< Polarina> Ivanovic: It is  let's, not  lets. As in  let us.
20090613 20:48:27< Soliton> silene: sure.
20090613 20:48:35< CIA-77> ivanovic * r36174 /trunk/po/ (7 files in 7 dirs): updated German translation
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20090613 20:48:54< Ivanovic> Polarina: blame Soliton for applying the changes...
20090613 20:48:55< Ivanovic> ;)
20090613 20:49:11< Polarina> Soliton: Your change to fix bug #13664 is incorrect.
20090613 20:49:17< silene> Soliton: then your fix makes is_observer returns false while it should return true; and it seems to me like this is unwanted behavior
20090613 20:49:19< Polarina> Soliton: It's "let's", not "lets".
20090613 20:49:56< Soliton> silene: i don't know why it should return true. what's the implication of that?
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20090613 20:50:40< silene> Soliton: ability to observe the map, for instance
20090613 20:51:02< Soliton> you observe the sides you own.
20090613 20:51:16< Soliton> you mean you should be able to see all sides?
20090613 20:51:21 * Polarina pokes Soliton.
20090613 20:51:39< silene> Soliton: if you are an observer, you observe all the sides (otherwise you wouldn't be able to observe anything)
20090613 20:52:16< Soliton> right.. i do not understand why.
20090613 20:52:34< Soliton> but anyway i don't care really.
20090613 20:53:29< Soliton> i'd suggest not calling the function is_local() though if it doesn't mean that or not call it if you really want to know something else.
20090613 20:53:56< Polarina> Ivanovic: Soliton's got me on his ignore list.
20090613 20:54:29< Ivanovic> Soliton: [20:49:11] <Polarina> Soliton: Your change to fix bug #13664 is incorrect.
20090613 20:54:31< Ivanovic> [20:49:19] <Polarina> Soliton: It's "let's", not "lets".
20090613 20:54:48< stikonas> Soliton: why do we need question mark in sentence "Good to see you, Arne. Now lets get out of this dungeon, please?"
20090613 20:55:04< Ivanovic> Soliton: Polarina thinks that Polarina is on your ignore list, that is why i am repasting it
20090613 20:55:26< silene> Soliton: i agree the function is badly named; i will create a is_local_human and use it instead of all the occurrences of is_local except for menu_events.cpp and play_controller.cpp
20090613 20:56:00< Soliton> silene: ok, thanks.
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20090613 20:57:28< Soliton> stikonas_: i didn't write that sentence but i guess because it's supposed to be a question...
20090613 20:58:24< Soliton> personally i probably wouldn't make it a question but it's not wrong, is it?
20090613 20:58:39< Polarina> Soliton: Please, say something...
20090613 21:00:00< Polarina> This is going to be difficult... *sigh*
20090613 21:02:17< CIA-77> soliton * r36175 /trunk/data/campaigns/Two_Brothers/scenarios/3_Guarded_Castle.cfg: fixed a typo
20090613 21:02:54< stikonas_> pot-update...
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20090613 21:08:55< CIA-77> soliton * r36176 /branches/1.6/data/campaigns/Two_Brothers/scenarios/3_Guarded_Castle.cfg: fixed a typo
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20090613 21:13:44< Ivanovic> Soliton: just fixing this typo was a stupid idea btw
20090613 21:13:51< Ivanovic> since in this case the unit can *not* get out yet
20090613 21:16:29< Soliton> so?
20090613 21:16:38< CIA-77> ivanovic * r36177 /branches/1.6/data/campaigns/Two_Brothers/scenarios/3_Guarded_Castle.cfg: *really* fix the typo (basically two missing words...)
20090613 21:17:17< CIA-77> ivanovic * r36178 /trunk/data/campaigns/Two_Brothers/scenarios/3_Guarded_Castle.cfg: *really* fix the typo from bug #13664 basically two words were missing...
20090613 21:17:52< Ivanovic> so the string does not make much *sense* if you alter it to "now let's get out of this dungeon"
20090613 21:18:29< Ivanovic> about one message later bjarn says that exactly this is not possible so far since the key is missing
20090613 21:19:24< Soliton> which is why he doesn't want to get out of the dungeon, i see...
20090613 21:19:39< Soliton> what you did is not a typo fix but a rewrite.
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20090613 21:20:36< Ivanovic> it is a fix of the broken string where two words were missing
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20090613 21:20:42< CIA-77> ivanovic * r36179 /branches/1.6/po/ (98 files in 2 dirs): just another pot-update (and changed the two brothers string again...)
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20090613 21:20:51< Ivanovic> hey, i wrote this stuff and forgot those words, so i am supposed to know that tehy are missing
20090613 21:20:53< Ivanovic> ;)
20090613 21:21:16< CIA-77> silene * r36180 /trunk/src/ (4 files): Removed code duplication.
20090613 21:21:57< CIA-77> silene * r36181 /trunk/src/ (4 files): Partly reverted revision 35906 so that it fixes suokko's breakage (35883) without changing end-of-game behavior.
20090613 21:22:06< Soliton> that's fine. assuming that other's should as well is... weird.
20090613 21:24:24< CIA-77> ivanovic * r36182 /branches/1.6/po/wesnoth-tb/de.po: updated German translation
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20090613 22:20:49< gil> hey
20090613 22:21:31< gil> hey?
20090613 22:22:45< gil> Does some1 can help me get info about the Hebrew translations?
20090613 22:23:11< Blueblaze> gil: What do you specifically want to know about it?
20090613 22:23:33< Soliton> http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/HebrewTranslation
20090613 22:24:49< gil> i want to know how to upload my translations
20090613 22:25:55< gil> i need the permission to know more about it.
20090613 22:26:16< Soliton> contact the translation maintainer.
20090613 22:26:30< gil> done
20090613 22:26:41< gil> they dont really help me
20090613 22:26:46< gil> they sent me to here
20090613 22:26:56< gil> to get some info here
20090613 22:27:52< gil> can you help me get my info please?
20090613 22:27:52< Soliton> get what info?
20090613 22:27:57< gil> ok
20090613 22:28:14< gil> i wanna know how to upload the translations I make
20090613 22:29:05< Soliton> you send it to the translation maintainer and he sends it to Ivanovic or so where it gets committed to svn.
20090613 22:29:40< Soliton> if the hebrew translation maintainer doesn't do that then there is a new maintainer needed.
20090613 22:30:39< loonycyborg> gil: If translation maintainer refuses to help you then probably you'll have to replace him :P
20090613 22:32:09< gil> thats finr by me
20090613 22:32:23< gil> i really care about the translations of this game
20090613 22:36:34< gil> thanks you very much for the usefull help!
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20090613 23:44:31< CIA-77> silene * r36183 /trunk/src/ai/default/ (ai.hpp attack.cpp): Removed almost unused use_terrain parameter from power_projection. Its only use was slightly incorrect, since it would cause allied support to be overestimated on poor terrain.
20090613 23:44:34< CIA-77> silene * r36184 /trunk/src/ai/default/attack.cpp: Reduced a bit the underestimation of power_projection for wounded attackers, as a unit with half its life hits for more than half its damage.
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20090613 23:59:05< Soliton> zookeeper: is [kill] often used without x,y?
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