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20090620 00:06:28< norbert_> http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/SingleUnitWML describes something that I don't get
20090620 00:06:41< norbert_> it says: type: the ID of the unit's unit type. See UnitTypeWML.
20090620 00:07:19< norbert_> it turns out that I can use: type="Mermaid Diviner"
20090620 00:08:29< norbert_> but right now, it mentions an "id" instead of "name" and UnitTypeWML is a big page but I don't know where to look for information
20090620 00:09:22< Sapient> do you understand the difference between a unit and a unit_type ?
20090620 00:10:17< Sapient> a unit id is to identify a single unit
20090620 00:10:39< Sapient> a unit_type id is to identify a type of unit, such as 'Spearman'
20090620 00:10:47< boucman> night all
20090620 00:10:53< norbert_> unit_type on http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/SingleUnitWML links to http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/ThemeWML and that page says: [unit_type]: the type of the current unit 
20090620 00:10:58< Sapient> gn, boucman
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20090620 00:11:35< norbert_> without any additional information, so if I'd be looking for more information about that - which luckily I'm not - I'd be stuck as well
20090620 00:11:58< Sapient> norbert_: do you understand what is the ID of a unit_type?
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20090620 00:12:24< norbert_> id is just a handle
20090620 00:12:29 * Soliton wonders how ThemeWML got in the picture.
20090620 00:12:34< Sapient> open any unit's CFG file and you will find [unit_type] and inside that somewhere, id="something"
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20090620 00:13:07< norbert_> Soliton: unit_type on http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/SingleUnitWML links to http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/ThemeWML
20090620 00:13:31< Sapient> so the "type" of a [unit] must be equal to the "id" of a [unit_type]
20090620 00:13:53< Soliton> you have a wierd wiki version.
20090620 00:14:33< norbert_> Soliton: I have the one that everyone has, right? or... :|
20090620 00:14:43< norbert_> Sapient: ok, so why doesn't this work? http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/d39e26bb5
20090620 00:15:12< norbert_> it does not give me a Mermaid Diviner, but it says: "Faction Drakes selected for side 3."
20090620 00:16:12< Sapient> is that multiplayer?
20090620 00:16:15< norbert_> yes
20090620 00:16:35< Sapient> I don't think it works like that for multiplayer
20090620 00:16:41< norbert_> oh... :|
20090620 00:16:45< Sapient> possibly, a bug
20090620 00:17:25< norbert_> is there another way how I can select the Mermaid Diviner to be the leader of side 3 (an AI) ?
20090620 00:17:25< Sapient> you can tell it to not have a leader for that side then place a leader during the prestart event
20090620 00:17:41< norbert_> ok
20090620 00:18:07< Soliton> did you use map settings?
20090620 00:18:38< Soliton> i bet when you do it works.
20090620 00:18:45< norbert_> {DEFAULT_SCHEDULE}, is that what you mean?
20090620 00:19:08< Soliton> when creating the game you can turn "use map settings" on or off.
20090620 00:19:11< norbert_> map settings doesn't ring a bell
20090620 00:19:56< norbert_> hm... that might explain it; I'm starting it as follows: wesnoth -m --scenario=<name>
20090620 00:20:14< norbert_> I'll try to start it from the mp environment
20090620 00:21:14< norbert_> yes
20090620 00:21:19< norbert_> now it's fine
20090620 00:21:25< norbert_> thanks
20090620 00:21:37< norbert_> can I force use map settings to always be on?
20090620 00:21:38< Soliton> so either require map settings or do as Sapient suggested.
20090620 00:21:51< Soliton> no.
20090620 00:21:54< norbert_> ok
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20090620 02:38:11< norbert_> probably old news, but: (Can't contact the database server: Too many connections (localhost)) on http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/ReferenceWML
20090620 02:44:29< norbert_> works again
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20090620 09:28:01< silene> hi
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20090620 09:38:51< boucman> morning
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20090620 12:21:34< CIA-52> jhinrichs * r36288 /trunk/src/gui/dialogs/message.cpp: Fix tmessage dialogs always having a return value of -1. mordante, please check if this is a reasonable fix.
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20090620 12:32:25< CIA-52> zookeeper * r36289 /trunk/data/campaigns/The_South_Guard/scenarios/04_Vale_of_Tears.cfg: Tweaked the filtering of the event commenting on the ineffectiveness of pierce damage against skeletons.
20090620 12:47:50< CIA-52> zookeeper * r36290 /branches/1.6/data/campaigns/The_South_Guard/scenarios/04_Vale_of_Tears.cfg: Ported r36289 to 1.6.
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20090620 13:39:46< VladimirSlavik> hi
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20090620 13:55:24< GeorgeGhoal> hello
20090620 13:55:41< GeorgeGhoal> i am just another annoyhole, who has a bug report
20090620 13:55:53< GeorgeGhoal> the game does not want to dload big addons
20090620 13:58:10< Soliton> how did it convey that feeling to you?
20090620 14:20:49< GeorgeGhoal> "server disconnected" the msg was
20090620 14:21:23< GeorgeGhoal> and i'm not a linuxer, so idk where to put manually-dloaded addons.
20090620 14:25:00< Soliton> why do you need to be a linuxer to know that?
20090620 14:25:43< GeorgeGhoal> usually, linuxers are more skilled and instantly detect that stuff
20090620 14:26:53< Ivanovic> you mean because they are able to read the available info?
20090620 14:27:16< GeorgeGhoal> so there must be a non-ingame tool to dload - or a keyloc to make dload managers dload addons to the needed dir
20090620 14:27:49< Ivanovic> the "tool" to do so is called "webbrowser"
20090620 14:28:41< Ivanovic> http://www.wesnoth.org/addons/1.6/
20090620 14:28:49< GeorgeGhoal> browser does not instantly detect the wesnoth's dir for the tar.gz'ies.
20090620 14:28:53< Ivanovic> personally i think that the text at the top is rather clear about what to do...
20090620 14:29:16< Ivanovic> and where you installed wesnoth to you have to know yourself, noone will be able to tell you...
20090620 14:29:49< GeorgeGhoal> so i can't put big addons into the game after dloading. and Wesnoth has too many folders inside by itself
20090620 14:30:13< Ivanovic> http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/EditingWesnoth#Where_is_my_user_data_directory.3F
20090620 14:30:24< Ivanovic> like i said: who is able to read has things a *whole* lot easier...
20090620 14:30:35< Ivanovic> read the stuff at the top and you should know it...
20090620 14:33:21< GeorgeGhoal> i have wesnoth in non-portable mode, so userdata is not in wesnoth dir
20090620 14:33:50< Ivanovic> so it is in your home dir...
20090620 14:34:25< Ivanovic> you could eg just search for the name of a savegame you have to find your userdata dir
20090620 14:34:34< Ivanovic> but this is probably too difficult on windows, right?
20090620 14:34:43< GeorgeGhoal> nor in the home dir - vista has a ghost folder for it
20090620 14:34:54< Ivanovic> then read the link i posted
20090620 14:35:02< Ivanovic> there this "ghost" folder is explicitly said
20090620 14:35:14< Ivanovic> start to read the stuff provided, all info is available, make use of it!
20090620 14:35:21< GeorgeGhoal> userdata isn't anywhere reachable
20090620 14:35:42< Ivanovic> of course it is reachable, or how is it possible to save a game when in the game?
20090620 14:36:09< GeorgeGhoal> well, windows can reach it, users can't
20090620 14:36:21< Ivanovic> of course the own user can reach it
20090620 14:37:00< loonycyborg> Ivanovic: Are you sure that it's the only place in wiki where location of userdata is detailed? :)
20090620 14:37:17< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: i am sure that there are several more
20090620 14:37:17 * loonycyborg needs to fix that to mention MyDocumetsMy Games
20090620 14:37:30< Ivanovic> but *at least* there it is mentioned, since this page is linked from the addon download page
20090620 14:37:48< Ivanovic> you could use google to search for more occurencies
20090620 14:37:53< GeorgeGhoal> no, i think it's only somewhere in c:\windows\usermirror\username\documents\appdata\wesnothwrkdata\userdata\campaigns
20090620 14:38:07< Ivanovic> eg with this search: userdata site:www.wesnoth.org/wiki/
20090620 14:38:30< Ivanovic> GeorgeGhoal: go into the folder c:\windows\usermirror\username\documents\appdata\wesnothwrkdata\userdata
20090620 14:38:39< Ivanovic> in there there should be no subfolder called campaigns
20090620 14:38:48< Ivanovic> the subfolder you have to change into is *data*
20090620 14:38:52< Ivanovic> and in this one it is campaigns
20090620 14:39:18< GeorgeGhoal> Vista makes those hard. so i'll have to reinstall wesnoth
20090620 14:39:22< GeorgeGhoal> in portable mode
20090620 14:40:40< loonycyborg> GeorgeGhoal: Which version of wesnoth you have?
20090620 14:41:20< GeorgeGhoal> 1.6.2
20090620 14:42:14< loonycyborg> It should place userdata in Documents\My Games\Wesnoth1.6 by default.
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20090620 14:43:48< loonycyborg> AFAIK Vista's folder virtualization stuff shouldn't affect it.
20090620 14:54:57< loonycyborg> Ivanovic: It's also mentioned in http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/PreprocessorRef . Maybe that should be a link to  EditingWesnoth#Where_is_my_user_data_directory.3F instead?
20090620 14:55:43< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: yes, this sounds like a good idea to me
20090620 14:58:29< CIA-52> ivanovic * r36291 /trunk/ (9 files in 7 dirs): updated German (applied a part of patch #1180), Greek and Hungarian translation
20090620 14:58:38< CIA-52> ivanovic * r36292 /branches/1.6/ (10 files in 7 dirs): updated German (applied a part of patch #1180), Greek and Hungarian translation
20090620 15:00:27< VladimirSlavik> uhm, what is this? http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/Reasonsforthevalencian
20090620 15:00:54< Ivanovic> VladimirSlavik: stuff from a discussion on the wesnoth-dev ml
20090620 15:01:06< Ivanovic> stuff that annoyed most devs so that we just started to ignore it
20090620 15:01:14< loonycyborg> "PS: You shouldn’t delete this web like the previous one, in this time I did a safety copy ;) " :P
20090620 15:01:18< VladimirSlavik> ah, ok
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20090620 15:01:36< VladimirSlavik> erm, make that "team"
20090620 15:03:22< loonycyborg> Ivanovic: btw EditingWesnoth#Where_is_my_user_data_directory.3F What is that ".3F" suffix for?
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20090620 15:03:35< Ivanovic> i don't know
20090620 15:03:57< Ivanovic> probably for the ?
20090620 15:07:55< VladimirSlavik> ? is 0x63 ...
20090620 15:08:43< silene> ? is 0x3f
20090620 15:08:55< VladimirSlavik> oops, you are right :)
20090620 15:11:19< loonycyborg> http://www.wesnoth.org/mw/index.php?title=PreprocessorRef&diff=30756&oldid=28961
20090620 15:13:12< loonycyborg> Does {~filename} work relative to userdata/ or userdata/data?
20090620 15:13:40< loonycyborg> Previous text there was self-contradictory..
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20090620 15:15:51< silene> data
20090620 15:17:01< YogiHH> anyone knows if someone else is working on the "load game" dialog atm?
20090620 15:17:26< Ivanovic> i don't think so
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20090620 18:37:00< shadowmaster> wesbot: seen Espreon
20090620 18:37:00< wesbot> shadowmaster: The person with the nick Espreon last spoke 18h 13m ago.  24m 41s ago was here and on the channels #wesnoth and #wesnoth-umc-dev with the message: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
20090620 18:37:25< shadowmaster> Espreon: I'd prefer that you leave me your messages instead of asking "are you gone?" or similar .
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20090620 21:02:16< boucman> back...
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20090620 21:05:39< [Relic]> Hello :)
20090620 21:06:02< boucman> silene: thx for taking care of patch 1179
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20090620 22:40:38< Ivanovic> http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?showtopic=47936
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20090620 23:58:00< CIA-52> silene * r36293 /trunk/src/unit_types.hpp: Fixed constness of unit_type::get_cfg.
20090620 23:58:09< CIA-52> silene * r36294 /trunk/src/scripting/lua.cpp: Fixed metatable initial sizes and related comments.
20090620 23:58:16< CIA-52> silene * r36295 /trunk/src/unit_types.cpp: Removed some ugly code.
20090620 23:58:22< CIA-52> silene * r36296 /trunk/src/scripting/lua.cpp: Added Lua functions for accessing unit types.
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