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20090630 00:12:18< shadowmaster> Ivanovic: by the way, the Fedora package maintainer suggests you provide a more reliable system for announcing new releases
20090630 00:12:29< shadowmaster> wasn't there a mailing list for that in the past?
20090630 00:12:54< Ivanovic> shadowmaster: i never used an ML for this
20090630 00:13:03< Ivanovic> and isaac before me did not either
20090630 00:13:15< Ivanovic> yes, at gna.org was a default list for announcements, but we never used it
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20090630 00:14:28< shadowmaster> yeah, but the request still counts.
20090630 00:17:33< Ivanovic> and to be honest i don't want to maintain a specific ML for this stuff since the maintaince overhead is *argh*
20090630 00:17:46< Ivanovic> (for this ml there will be more spam mails received than "valid mails")
20090630 00:18:13< shadowmaster> you can't restrict posting to people susbcribed to the mailing list, nad restrict subscriptions?
20090630 00:18:16< shadowmaster> *and
20090630 00:18:24< Ivanovic> of course i can
20090630 00:18:35< Ivanovic> but i get a mail notifiying me about every blocked mail anyway
20090630 00:19:51< Sirp> what are we discussing a ml for?
20090630 00:20:15< shadowmaster> release announcements for packagers
20090630 00:20:54< shadowmaster> Ivanovic: may I tell him to contact you so that you drop him an email manually on every release?
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20090630 00:21:48< Ivanovic> shadowmaster: i already added him in my list of packagers to mail
20090630 00:22:22< Ivanovic> that is: i simply used the address he used to register in the forums
20090630 00:22:55< shadowmaster> okay, I hope we are talking about the same person.
20090630 00:23:24< noy> Ivanovic, Sirp; so I sent you a draft letter, what shall I do?
20090630 00:23:34< Ivanovic> noy: IMO this one sounds good
20090630 00:23:56< Ivanovic> and since you wrote it, you should be the one sending it to leslie, just make sure that Sirp, jetrel and I are in the CC
20090630 00:24:41< noy> sure, I just need leslie's
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20090630 01:36:20< Ivanovic> off to bed, n8
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20090630 03:03:32< Turuk> crimson_penguin, around?
20090630 03:03:48< crimson_penguin> I am indeed
20090630 03:03:59< crimson_penguin> And I totally just won a battle against Windows
20090630 03:04:17< Turuk> Woot!
20090630 03:04:42< Turuk> I figured you might be the man who would know an answer to this: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=26050
20090630 03:05:39< Rrenys> Someone with "penguin" in his nick isnt on linux?
20090630 03:06:08< crimson_penguin> I'm getting a MySQL error currently
20090630 03:06:13< crimson_penguin> Rrenys: I'm the Mac packager :D
20090630 03:06:23< Turuk> I'm getting it too
20090630 03:06:33< crimson_penguin> Tux is a penguin, but not all penguins are Tux ;)
20090630 03:07:46< Turuk> There we go, forum working now
20090630 03:07:48< crimson_penguin> hmmm, I'm not sure
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20090630 03:07:58< crimson_penguin> Maybe 1.2 or 1.0?
20090630 03:08:15< crimson_penguin> I'm just guessing though, I don't remember
20090630 03:09:17< Turuk> Ah, so basically super far back
20090630 03:10:19< Aethaeryn> is it currently possible for a mod to replace the system icons?
20090630 03:11:04< Aethaeryn> e.g. the gold symbol
20090630 03:11:08< Rrenys> yes
20090630 03:11:17< Rrenys> you can modify panels
20090630 03:11:52< Aethaeryn> good
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20090630 04:39:29< dfranke> corn__: around?
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20090630 07:30:26< Aethaeryn> when was Great War removed?
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20090630 08:31:59< euschn> hi
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20090630 09:30:59< Ivanovic> moin
20090630 09:33:04< Crab_> euschn: a small philosophical question: is info about "what player_number has its turn now" suitable for inclusion in tod_manager ?
20090630 09:35:37< euschn> Crab_: hm I havent given this much thought. tod_manager is basically just the functionality of the former gamestatus, without access to teams and game_state
20090630 09:36:01< euschn> would it help you to have this included?
20090630 09:36:59< Crab_> yes. I can include it myself, but I was wondering about a suitable place to put that "int player_number"
20090630 09:38:10< euschn> Crab_: I currently dont see any reason against it. if you want to add it yourself feel free to
20090630 09:38:18< Crab_> ok
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20090630 10:16:04< CIA-51> euschn * r36476 /trunk/src/ (gamestatus.cpp gamestatus.hpp): added optional parameter to gamestate::write_players to use snapshot information rather than player_info
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20090630 11:15:35< testing_xyz> hi
20090630 11:16:48< testing_xyz> bug in primeevil era ?
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20090630 15:13:04< CIA-51> loonycyborg * r36477 /trunk/src/util.hpp: 
20090630 15:13:04< CIA-51> Added include for math.h to ensure that round() is declared.
20090630 15:13:04< CIA-51> cmath doesn't provide round on OpenSolaris and the C++ standard doesn't
20090630 15:13:04< CIA-51> list round as a function provided by <cmath>.
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20090630 16:29:23< CIA-51> euschn * r36478 /trunk/src/playsingle_controller.cpp: playsingle_controller::play_scenario() now stores carryover_gold in the game_state snapshot (removal of player_info part 1)
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20090630 17:41:25< CIA-51> euschn * r36479 /trunk/src/ (gamestatus.cpp playcampaign.cpp savegame.cpp): carryover gold is now stored via game_state.snapshot for singleplayer
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20090630 18:16:40< corn__> moin
20090630 18:16:56< shadowmaster> why, good morning there!
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20090630 19:33:29< stikonas> euschn: when I load saved game in trunk, objectives shows pango markup tags, e.g. <small>, is this known problem?
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20090630 19:35:01< Soliton> same when you start it normally, no?
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20090630 19:35:18< stikonas> Soliton: no, only when loading game
20090630 19:35:41< stikonas> so there is a bug in save-load code
20090630 19:37:45< Soliton> ah ok, i've seen it as well.
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20090630 19:38:35< silene> hi
20090630 19:40:05< stikonas> silene: hi
20090630 19:40:30< stikonas> silene: can you look at bug https://gna.org/bugs/?13827
20090630 19:41:19< silene> as it ever worked?
20090630 19:41:23< silene> has*
20090630 19:42:45< stikonas> silene: probably not, but all other strings are properly translated
20090630 19:43:37< stikonas> I found this bug when I was without internet connection and I was missing some dependencies to compile with autotools
20090630 19:44:26< stikonas> can you reproduce it?
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20090630 19:57:45< silene> i can reproduce it, but only partly: just the unit names are wrongly translated, everything else seems fine
20090630 19:58:16< silene> oh, and the race description
20090630 19:59:17< silene> i will take a look at this bug
20090630 20:02:50< stikonas> silene: the same is for me.
20090630 20:03:50< stikonas> and if you play now, built-in unit help will mess up further and will start to show 2 entries for the same unit but in different languages
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20090630 20:16:34< CIA-51> silene * r36480 /trunk/ (changelog src/game.cpp): Fixed language switch not affecting unit descriptions (bug #13827).
20090630 20:22:18< Soliton> silene: can i disable lua (in the autotools build system)?
20090630 20:24:00< CIA-51> silene * r36481 /branches/1.6/ (changelog src/game.cpp): 
20090630 20:24:00< CIA-51> Backported revision 36480:
20090630 20:24:00< CIA-51> Fixed language switch not affecting unit descriptions (bug #13827).
20090630 20:24:42< Sapient> Soliton, I have been supporting the DISABLE_LUA switch
20090630 20:24:44< silene> Soliton: i don't think so
20090630 20:24:53< Sapient> it works with scons
20090630 20:25:29< Sapient> or it did last time I compiled
20090630 20:29:27< stikonas> silene: thanks
20090630 20:38:17< CIA-51> dragonking * r36482 /trunk/src/ai/formula/ (ai.cpp ai.hpp candidates.cpp candidates.hpp): Rewritten RCA evaluation code, changed how RCA filters work
20090630 20:38:59< CIA-51> dragonking * r36483 /trunk/data/ (ai/formula/poisoner_eval.fai scenario-poisoning.cfg): Update to poison RCA test scenario
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20090630 21:06:28< Aethaeryn> Ivanovic: are you a website admin?
20090630 21:11:36< noy> Aethaeryn: Turuk is
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20090630 21:22:47< Ivanovic> Aethaeryn: depends on what you want done...
20090630 21:22:55< Turuk> What's up?
20090630 21:24:33< Turuk> Aethaeryn: What did you need with an admin?
20090630 21:27:33< Aethaeryn> Turuk: I'm resuming some work on the wiki today, and in many places a portrait or screenshot would fit (I have used screenshots from the front page area before, but it was inadequate).
20090630 21:27:54< Turuk> Okay, well you could probably steal from more recent screenshots from the updated manual
20090630 21:27:57< Aethaeryn> Turuk: I'm a wiki sysop (or whatever the fancy mediawiki term is for admin these days), but image uploads are disabled even for someone with my permissions level.
20090630 21:28:08< Turuk> Ahhhh
20090630 21:28:11< Turuk> You want zookeeper
20090630 21:28:17< Aethaeryn> I do point to some places on the SVN, but those things are unreliable.
20090630 21:28:25< Aethaeryn> Sometimes the image doesn't load even when it's there, and it's always slower.
20090630 21:28:42< Turuk> Yeah, I actually have no wiki contorl
20090630 21:28:46< Turuk> *control
20090630 21:28:57< Aethaeryn> perhaps either get someone to give me image permissions or direct me to someone who I can give a bunch of images to to host on the site...
20090630 21:29:29< Aethaeryn> Turuk: also, I think you were collecting information on the races?
20090630 21:29:41< Turuk> Yup
20090630 21:30:04< Aethaeryn> http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/Races <- this and its subpages
20090630 21:30:27< Aethaeryn> I'd appreciate if these were kept in date for the actual specifics when you were done
20090630 21:31:02< Turuk> Yeah, I'm well aware of that one, okay
20090630 21:31:11< Aethaeryn> most of its text is from the help files from 1.4 days, iirc
20090630 21:31:25< Aethaeryn> but still, it'd be handy if the wiki were the go-to place for documentation online
20090630 21:31:55< Turuk> Sure.
20090630 21:32:24< Aethaeryn> Turuk: oh, and I believe both esr (he helped with expanding the wiki page, I think it's the only place where it was expanded beyond help) and tsi have many ideas about Drake culture if you need more info on them
20090630 21:32:27< Turuk> But first there is going to be an effort to actually compile all the information and make it coherent, and then put it in one place on the wiki.  I was going to use the wiki as the collation point anyways
20090630 21:32:41< Aethaeryn> okay, good
20090630 21:32:48< Aethaeryn> I just need to make sure people don't forget about the wiki
20090630 21:33:08< Turuk> Nope, it's just not always up to date for other things
20090630 21:33:10< Aethaeryn> I'm updating all the pages I watch to point to the 1.6 unit trees and fix broken images
20090630 21:36:58< Aethaeryn> Ideally, I'd like every image currently there of an individual replaced with either a screenshot of that unit in action or a portrait, where appropriate. (And a few additions when the article is "bare".)
20090630 21:39:09< esr> Turuk: My contribution was the reproductive biology and bioenergetics.
20090630 21:39:25< Turuk> Ah okay.
20090630 21:40:40< esr> (I think like a science-fiction writer.  Useful, even though it's a fantasy game.)
20090630 21:42:28< grzywacz> ;-)
20090630 21:43:37< esr> grzywacz: I like my fantasy creatures to *make sense*.  Perverse of me, I know...
20090630 21:44:38< Aethaeryn> Ideally, I'd like to clean up the mess that is http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/Category:Campaigns later today as well
20090630 21:45:08< Aethaeryn> Similar to factions - strategy goes to a subarticle with a summary in the main article.
20090630 21:45:59< Aethaeryn> And titles are Like This instead of LikeThis with the latter being redirects so that the heading has a space in it. It's a compromise made last time that takes the best of both systems (easy access + readable titles)
20090630 21:46:53< Aethaeryn> esr: Do you know of any other documentation/strategy categories on the wiki in need of update?
20090630 21:47:57< esr> Aethaeryn: Hmmm...
20090630 21:48:12< Aethaeryn> nooooooo, I accidentally made a minor edit non-minor and without a description by clicking on submit instead of preview. Damn, the first time I've made this mistake on a wiki since I stopped being a wiki n00b.
20090630 21:48:31< grzywacz> Wiki police will get you now.
20090630 21:48:52< Aethaeryn> technically, aren't I a "wiki police" since I have delete/protect powers? :P
20090630 21:48:55< esr> Some of the campaign walkthroughs are out of date.  I know the ones for both EI and NR need a refresh.
20090630 21:48:55 * Aethaeryn arrests self
20090630 21:49:27 * esr puts handcuffs on Aetheryn and frisks him for weapons.
20090630 21:49:48 * esr is annoyed that there aren't any weapons
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20090630 21:52:49< Aethaeryn> Turuk: perhaps an announcement/sticky? I think we had one for the old wiki clean-up. I can clean up the campaign section and the How to Play <faction> section, but the text content itself will be lacking until some strategist updates it. I don't have the ability (not *that* good) nor time (since I have to look big picture and maintain/update dozens of articles at once) to do it myself...
20090630 21:53:39< Turuk> What exactly do you want to be cleaned up?
20090630 21:53:55< Turuk> I'm not about to put up a general announcement that says hey, Joe User, clean up the wiki
20090630 21:54:17< Aethaeryn> I realize that. I will provide you a list of articles that need text worked on once I overhaul the campaign section.
20090630 21:54:47< Turuk> I know, I'm just saying
20090630 21:54:48< Aethaeryn> There will be either missing or outdated strategies for both campaigns and factions... I can make them consistant in style, but I can't update the text itself.
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20090630 21:55:06< Turuk> Well, make a list of all the things you want/need updated, and PM it to me
20090630 21:55:21< Turuk> I will post an announcement, but I will also attempt to call in a few favors with some users towards getting them to help
20090630 21:55:27< Turuk> I'm away for a bit
20090630 21:55:41< Aethaeryn> esr: should I make Mainline Campaigns a subcategory of Campaigns, make User Campaigns a subcategory of Campaigns, both, or neither?
20090630 21:55:53< Aethaeryn> Category: Campaigns is a bit of a mess as it stands.
20090630 21:56:16< zookeeper> well isn't pihlsomething updating those atm?
20090630 21:56:23< Turuk> Yes
20090630 21:58:09< Aethaeryn> zookeeper: link?
20090630 21:58:27< Turuk> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=26004
20090630 21:58:31< Aethaeryn> I will notify him on the thread, just so he knows that the strategy pages are being renamed, and a campaign description is being put in place for all the mainline campaigns
20090630 22:13:10< Aethaeryn> zookeeper: Rather than copy the faction box to have a separate one for strategy, I did this: http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/Template:Factionbox
20090630 22:13:25< Aethaeryn> zookeeper: I'd like a second opinion on the layout before adding it to the How to Play articles.
20090630 22:13:37< Aethaeryn> maybe make the second line italic?
20090630 22:14:37< zookeeper> or add "Description:" in front of the first line
20090630 22:16:49< Aethaeryn> zookeeper: Description is actually the exact same amount of length, thus making the factions line up. Interesting coincidence.
20090630 22:17:56< Aethaeryn> which may not look good on the articles, where one link is bolded... hmm...
20090630 22:18:02< Aethaeryn> I guess I'm nitpicking.
20090630 22:19:27< Soliton> zookeeper: how do you make sure a side has a specific leader in a mp scenario?
20090630 22:20:04< Soliton> hmm, silly question, i think.
20090630 22:22:23< zookeeper> Soliton, maybe specifying the leader in the side def can enforce it
20090630 22:22:45< zookeeper> or at least makes it the default choice
20090630 22:23:04< zookeeper> look at BoL, i don't remember :P
20090630 22:23:06< Soliton> zookeeper: yeah, i just noticed the guy is using a [unit] tag to spawn the leader but the side has a leader, too.
20090630 22:23:25< Soliton> it's actually an ai side with allow_player=no.
20090630 22:33:29< Aethaeryn> zookeeper: Turuk referred me to you when I asked for a website admin.
20090630 22:34:20< zookeeper> Aethaeryn, i don't really have any super wiki powers
20090630 22:34:24< Aethaeryn> zookeeper: File uploads are disabled (and for good reason, I just deleted a spam page), but I was wondering if I could have special permissions...
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20090630 22:34:44< Aethaeryn> I need some kind of solution for having images in the wiki.
20090630 22:34:47< zookeeper> or if i do, i'm not aware or have no idea how to use them ;)
20090630 22:35:19< Aethaeryn> hmm
20090630 22:35:35< Soliton> find out if media wiki can allow only certain user groups to upload and how to configure it and i'm sure someone'll do it.
20090630 22:36:16< Aethaeryn> Even if it's impossible, I do need some kind of solution for images, so that I can take screenshots for illustration purposes and place them in articles (e.g. the strategy guides).
20090630 22:38:12< Soliton> finding out whether it's possible seems like a logical first step.
20090630 22:38:54< esr> Aethaeryn: I'm not fussy about how they're organized.  Please yourself.
20090630 22:40:50< Aethaeryn> alright
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20090630 22:56:23< CIA-51> cornmander * r36484 /website/stats.wesnoth.org/ (9 files in 4 dirs): 
20090630 22:56:23< CIA-51> Removed unnecessary files from default installiation, split controllers into seperate files, created a
20090630 22:56:23< CIA-51> seperate file to hold helper functions, updated TODO, updated html template to show 'None' for used
20090630 22:56:23< CIA-51> filters when no filters are used
20090630 22:59:23< Aethaeryn> Is Delfador's Memoirs the development-only campaign?
20090630 23:00:06< boucman> hey all
20090630 23:00:12< corn__> hey
20090630 23:00:14< Crab_> hi boucman
20090630 23:00:25< boucman> so, what's up ?
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20090630 23:01:19< boucman> did you see Dragonking's commit ?
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20090630 23:01:31< Crab_> yes, I've seen it.
20090630 23:02:24< boucman> ok, cool :)
20090630 23:02:54< Dragonking> hi boucman, Crab_ 
20090630 23:02:59< Crab_> hi Dragonking
20090630 23:03:19< Crab_> boucman: I will commit a update to event handling today, and I'm changing the way move_maps (such as srcdst) work to 'add invalidate flag and check for it before returning value'
20090630 23:03:36< boucman> ok, makes sense
20090630 23:03:37< Dragonking> boucman: Did you see how it works? As: how to write RCA that uses filter?
20090630 23:03:50< boucman> who will be in charge of invalidating the flag ?
20090630 23:04:05< Crab_> boucman: event handlers
20090630 23:04:06< boucman> Dragonking: yes, I've seen your change to the test case...
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20090630 23:04:32< boucman> Dragonking: however, I think Crab_added a dev AI that use the poisonong formulas, you might need to update that too
20090630 23:04:42< Crab_> I've originally tried to use them without flag, but this causes some problems.
20090630 23:04:50< Dragonking> Crab_: Did you?
20090630 23:05:05< Crab_> /ai/dev/formula_ai_poisoning.cfg
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20090630 23:05:34< Dragonking> Ok
20090630 23:06:33< Aethaeryn> Just curious: anyone here good at MP and want to "finish" the how to play series on the wiki? The strategy guide series has always been incomplete.
20090630 23:06:37< Dragonking> boucman, Crab_: I'm leaving tomorrow to a place without a net, I'll work on my SoC with my notebook, and when I come back - around saturday, I'll commit more things
20090630 23:06:57< boucman> ok, have fun
20090630 23:07:01< boucman> what will you work on ?
20090630 23:07:22< Crab_> Dragonking: ok. by that time, I'll have everything ready to plug-in your formula ai recruitment to ai_composite.
20090630 23:07:31< Dragonking> I'm *finally* free to work on SoC.... toom more than expected to finish things with uni because one peson who made a project with me messed up his part and I hadd load of addictional work...
20090630 23:07:44< Dragonking> Crab_: Awesome!
20090630 23:07:56< Dragonking> boucman: SoC midterm eval goals
20090630 23:08:09< boucman> ok
20090630 23:08:11< Dragonking> boucman: I'm going to reorganize my recruitment and write some things again
20090630 23:08:37< Dragonking> I have only 2 weeks left, so I have to work on it a lot now
20090630 23:08:45< Sapient> Aethaeryn: you should ask in #wesnoth-mp probably
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20090630 23:50:15< boucman> night all
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