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20090602 01:47:35< Soliton> Turuk: Velensk is playing Kitteh on the server atm, it seems.
20090602 01:47:46< Turuk> Yup, I'm watching under a different name
20090602 01:47:58< Soliton> ah, ok. :-)
20090602 01:48:14< Soliton> you shouldn't keep all the fun to yourself!
20090602 01:48:23< Turuk> The chat is interesting, but the game itself proves the points I made in my first post. ;)  He does not use ZoC, TOD, or terrain at all, he just attacks as he sees fit, with little thought to what is good against what.  Haha, sorry!
20090602 01:48:51< Turuk> Best quote so far: "Noob mistakes will you in a game.  I make a lot of them."
20090602 01:51:16< Soliton> +kill
20090602 01:51:53< Turuk> Indeed.  Kitteh just gives up too, he never plays a game to completion.  He reached a point where he thought he could not recover and just stopped playing.  It's hard to win a game when you give up before you even lose. ;)
20090602 01:52:04< Turuk> Ah, and his statement just proved my point.
20090602 01:53:10< Soliton> "this isn't proving anything except, except my own terrible wesnoth playing" exactly! :-P
20090602 01:53:57< Turuk> His anger in the forums makes no sense, if he knows he's  a bad player and that he is unwilling to learn how to play properly, how do you expect people to take you seriously? :)
20090602 01:57:30< Soliton> yeah, i asked a couple of questions to that effect.
20090602 01:58:54< Turuk> What did he say?
20090602 01:59:09< Turuk> Or no response yet?
20090602 01:59:26< Soliton> i posted them in that thread, no response yet.
20090602 02:01:07< Turuk> Gotcha.  Also, since you're here, what was the reason for taking Great War out?
20090602 02:06:06< Soliton> it was silly and unbalanced.
20090602 02:07:00< Turuk> Fair enough.
20090602 02:07:18< Turuk> You know what I have just discovered is highly annoying?  The ability for players to ***Text
20090602 02:07:47< Soliton> in chat?
20090602 02:07:56< Soliton> oh, whispers?
20090602 02:07:59< Turuk> In labels
20090602 02:08:04< Soliton> ah, yes.
20090602 02:08:26< Turuk> In case I was blind, I now know where one player wants another to place his unit, in size 18 font
20090602 02:08:30< Soliton> but anyone can delete all labels in a heartbeat.
20090602 02:08:36< Soliton> :-P
20090602 02:08:52< Soliton> i think it's not so bad on labels.
20090602 02:09:32< Soliton> though it was not a conscious decision to allow it afaik. ;-)
20090602 02:10:24< Turuk> Yeah, I just removed it, and I am sure it's not that bad, but I noticed it when Kitteh was playing too, he would just make giant smilies on the map in about size 32 font :P
20090602 02:10:25< Soliton> it was also allowed in chat messages for a while which was a bit too much though.
20090602 02:10:36< Turuk> Yeah, particularly if you only display a limited number of lines
20090602 02:11:11< Soliton> you can also do that stuff in unit names since forever. of course it is less visible there.
20090602 02:11:38< Turuk> Really? Interesting
20090602 02:12:04< Turuk> Strange
20090602 02:12:20< Soliton> yeah, some people like to color their unit names.
20090602 02:13:00< Soliton> though i guess color doesn't work with labels since they're team-colored.
20090602 02:13:51< Turuk> No, and that's a blessing at least
20090602 02:15:49< Soliton> feeding is the best ability in that game, btw.
20090602 02:17:09< Turuk> Gaining health for killing an enemy?  It was a tossup between that or regen, but I like having regen on the HI, paired with his resistances
20090602 02:17:49< Soliton> once you have +8HP feeding it doesn't matter whether you regenerate 8HP per turn or not. :-)
20090602 02:18:10< Soliton> though early on it is probably tougher.
20090602 02:18:20< Turuk> It can get that high? damn.
20090602 02:18:47< Soliton> yeah, you can improve the feeding HP which gets easily abusive.
20090602 02:19:12< Soliton> though i think you can improve regeneration rate as well actually, so maybe that's not much worse.
20090602 02:19:40< Turuk> Ah, yeah, +8 regen early on should help me out, and I'll probably dump most of my gold into resistances
20090602 02:20:16< Turuk> Though it would be nice if the unit with poor terrain bonuses did not have to cover the snow ;)
20090602 02:20:44< Soliton> that's good. though you also need to make sure to do a lot of damage to actually clear the map quickly and get even more gold next time.
20090602 02:21:10< Turuk> Yeah, I was hoping we would get around 80-100, but these people are not big on teamwork
20090602 02:21:12< Soliton> cave might be better, yeah.
20090602 02:21:59< Soliton> could switch with a ghost since they really shouldn't care.
20090602 02:22:12< Soliton> and everyone needs to go the same distance anyway.
20090602 02:22:16< Turuk> I'll ask next go around
20090602 02:23:17< Soliton> on the snow side on the other hand you usually have an easy time hitting stuff.
20090602 02:23:29< Turuk> True, and I need that as much as I can get without a ranged attack to retaliate
20090602 02:23:48< Turuk> Plus, it limits their movement more and they can only come at me one at a time
20090602 02:25:19< Turuk> Should have stayed put, but meh
20090602 02:26:09< Turuk> What? No slow?
20090602 02:26:47< Soliton> too high aggressiveness so the AI has to actively hurt itself. :-P
20090602 02:27:18< Turuk> Haha.  I like taht
20090602 02:27:20< Turuk> *that
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20090602 02:31:56< Turuk> I think the HI should have a ranged attack.  4-3 morning star throw ranged - impact
20090602 02:33:27< noy> ...
20090602 02:33:38< noy> I  think we should lock that thread
20090602 02:36:13< Turuk> Oh, I was just referring to my colosseum game, but eh, it's okay.  Soliton and I watched him play Velensk, and he has no ground to stand on.  If he's dumb, he'll just try to flame me again and get banned, so if he wants to shoot himself in the foot, I'm all for it.
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20090602 02:48:43< Turuk> I take it back, I'm liking the snow
20090602 03:14:15< Soliton> "Sure. Ban me. f*** the forums, and f*** soliton."...  just want to say that you don't have to ban him because of that, it only made me smile. too rediculous to take any serious... :-)
20090602 03:15:24< Turuk> Well, Kitteh sent me a PM when he first got on the forums that asked if he could get banned from MP for any idiotic or flaming behavior on the forums
20090602 03:15:45< Turuk> I responded: "Uh... Are you planning to act like that?"
20090602 03:16:00< Turuk> His response: "I dunno, just seeing, just in case."
20090602 03:16:05< Soliton> i guess it is a good cop-out to not have to "argue" further.
20090602 03:16:21< Turuk> It's like watching him play MP
20090602 03:16:32< Turuk> When he feels like he is losing, he just quits trying. ;)
20090602 03:16:58< Soliton> well, i guess he got his definite answer now. :-)
20090602 03:18:59< Turuk> I mean, I gave him a shorter ban. It wasn't permanent
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