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20090629 05:28:34< Turuk> Anyone around?
20090629 05:30:41< noy_> yo
20090629 05:30:46< noy_> Turuk: whats up?
20090629 05:30:56< Turuk> Ah sorry, gf called.
20090629 05:31:07< Turuk> I was just wondering what, if/any, plans there were for MP chat
20090629 05:36:38< Turuk> or none at all?
20090629 05:43:32< noy_> there is work being done by ilor as part of gsoc
20090629 05:44:17< noy_> Turuk: http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/MP_Server_Ilor
20090629 05:44:28< Turuk> Thanks, I was just looking for that
20090629 05:45:40< noy_> Turuk: http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/7122/sk1.png
20090629 05:46:06< Turuk> Interesting, that his idea of what he would like it to be?
20090629 05:46:10< noy_> yes
20090629 05:46:52< Turuk> I'm just curious so that I know how to respond to people
20090629 05:48:34< noy_> tell them the same as before
20090629 05:48:50< Turuk> That an improvement is in the works, I know
20090629 05:48:58< Turuk> I was just not sure myself of the design direction
20090629 05:49:05< noy_> we'll be moderating the mp server
20090629 05:49:13< Turuk> Oh, I know as much
20090629 05:49:16< noy_> the chat area won't be unmoderated anarchy like some believe
20090629 05:50:17< Turuk> Yeah, I know we won't suddenly back off just because they might more space
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20090629 07:56:59< Aethaeryn> anyone want to play a game and comment on the art/ideas behind my sci-fi humans faction?
20090629 08:06:53< Blueblaze> Aethaeryn: Are those two requests related?
20090629 08:07:12< Turuk> haha
20090629 08:07:21< Aethaeryn> Blueblaze: well, you can just see the art, or you could play it and comment on the whole thing.
20090629 08:07:39< Aethaeryn> Uploading my next batch of art, some didn't change too much.
20090629 08:24:28< Aethaeryn> Blueblaze: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=364393#p364393
20090629 08:31:53< Aethaeryn> next time I'm probably only going to do a combined image, especially if I add a few more units
20090629 08:32:11< Aethaeryn> considering the image-per-post cap is 3 and I'd rather not flood the forum
20090629 08:38:19< Blueblaze> Turuk: ban Aethaeryn for flooding the forums
20090629 08:38:31< Turuk> Roger, on it.
20090629 08:39:07< Aethaeryn> damn, I guess I'm powerless outside of the wiki
20090629 08:39:43< Aethaeryn> speaking of which, I should update the articles I used to maintain tomorrow, that still say 1.4 on them :P
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20090629 19:13:24< _jbx_> what do you guys think of this topic?
20090629 19:13:25< _jbx_> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=26023
20090629 19:13:28< _jbx_> i dont like it one bit
20090629 19:13:39< _jbx_> i've seen a steep rise in copycats lately
20090629 19:14:22< _jbx_> for example, what if someone registers the name Turuk2 and begins impersonating him?
20090629 19:14:29< Soliton> well, it'd be nice if you could only register nicks that are not currently in use on the server but since the registration happens at the forum that's probably not really feasable.
20090629 19:14:46< grzywacz> The topic or the mentioned case?
20090629 19:14:52< Soliton> i don't see impersonating as a problem. accounts actually solve that.
20090629 19:14:56< _jbx_> Soliton: sure, in this case you could say it's first come first serve
20090629 19:15:09< Soliton> if you think Turuk2 is Turuk.. well...
20090629 19:15:15< _jbx_> i just banned someone for logggin on as Noy_4
20090629 19:15:49< Turuk> Hmm
20090629 19:15:57< _jbx_> others, without registered name, have been pretending to be admins as well
20090629 19:16:11< _jbx_> which is less of a problem
20090629 19:16:19< _jbx_> but copycats are on the rise, is my point
20090629 19:16:35< Soliton> i doubt it.
20090629 19:16:41< grzywacz> _jbx_, and the proposed solution is..? :)
20090629 19:16:46< Soliton> what do you propose to do anyway?
20090629 19:16:54< _jbx_> I'm asking around
20090629 19:17:00< _jbx_> if any of you have seen problems similar
20090629 19:17:09< Soliton> i didn't.
20090629 19:17:34< _jbx_> should i go register jb1-jb12?  and jbx1? lol
20090629 19:18:02< _jbx_> if someone registers the name Soliton2, what would you do?
20090629 19:18:25< Soliton> nothing probably.
20090629 19:18:40< Soliton> i'm not sure why i should care.
20090629 19:19:03< _jbx_> ?  
20090629 19:19:13< _jbx_> you dont care if someone claims to be you
20090629 19:19:41< Soliton> you said someone is regestering Soliton2 not that he's running around claiming to be me.
20090629 19:19:48< Turuk> It's not as if they can actuall use admin powers, and then how many nicks would you have to register?
20090629 19:19:49< _jbx_> ....
20090629 19:20:00< _jbx_> c'mon, why else would they register a name like that
20090629 19:20:03< _jbx_> if not to be a copycat
20090629 19:20:35< Soliton> what are they going to do?
20090629 19:20:46< _jbx_> ruin your good name
20090629 19:20:48< _jbx_> for one thing
20090629 19:21:44< Soliton> i suppose if they'd register SoIiton i'd worry more.
20090629 19:21:48< _jbx_> ask myth how much his reputation suffered when someone stole his name for several months
20090629 19:21:59< Turuk> RIght, but I would imagine that
20090629 19:22:07< Soliton> that was prior accounts, yes?
20090629 19:22:10< Turuk> A. It would be caught fairly quickly that it was not me, or Soliton, or you
20090629 19:22:23< Turuk> B. People know us all well enough to know how we would act
20090629 19:22:30< _jbx_> yes, it was prior to accounts Soliton 
20090629 19:22:51< Soliton> so it's kind of an argument for the exact opposite..?
20090629 19:23:02< Soliton> you can't do that now.
20090629 19:23:13< _jbx_> ok, my point is this.  If Turuk2 gets registered on the forums by someone else, does Turuk have the right to remove that user?
20090629 19:23:23< Turuk> Ooo ooo pick me!
20090629 19:23:30< Soliton> if someone cares about Myth he will put him in his friends list and notice if someone is trying to trick him.
20090629 19:23:31< Turuk> If Turuk2 gets registered on the forums
20090629 19:23:32 * _jbx_ picks Turuk 
20090629 19:23:35< Turuk> Turuk will remove that user
20090629 19:23:46< Turuk> Or even more deviously
20090629 19:23:53< Turuk> register it to himself
20090629 19:24:23< Soliton> sure, i wouldn't object to that but it's not a good idea in the general case.
20090629 19:24:31< Turuk> The forums are the sole focus I have, and I will watch for any odd registrations like Soltion2
20090629 19:24:58< _jbx_> Turuk: so do you want to help this guy?  or just tell him first come first serve rule comes into play?
20090629 19:25:02< _jbx_> i vote first come first serve
20090629 19:25:10< Turuk> Help who?
20090629 19:25:16< _jbx_> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=26023
20090629 19:25:22< Turuk> oh that guy
20090629 19:25:42< Turuk> I thought about offering to change it for him, but my take on that is like you just said
20090629 19:25:50< Turuk> First come, first serve, and he was playing with an unregistered nick
20090629 19:25:52< Soliton> he's not asking to get the nick Parthian is he?
20090629 19:25:54< Turuk> Does it smack of foul play? Yes.
20090629 19:26:00< Turuk> But did he ask for that nick for himself even? no
20090629 19:26:04< Turuk> Yup, Soltion said it
20090629 19:26:23 * Soliton looks for an imposter.
20090629 19:26:39< Soliton> that Soltion guy.. i've heard of him before!
20090629 19:27:29< Soliton> _jbx_: if there are actual similar cases like that and someone asks for a nick we can investigate.
20090629 19:27:51< Soliton> in this case both were somewhat nick changers so it'd not be easy.
20090629 19:27:52< _jbx_> yeah, we can verify his story by looking at the MP_Log i guess
20090629 19:28:25< _jbx_> I'm not too worried about this guy, though I do feel for him, so much as i'm worried about devs and admins being imitated
20090629 19:28:34< _jbx_> which i've seen a lot of recently
20090629 19:28:38< _jbx_> and was just curious
20090629 19:28:47< _jbx_> if others had noticed
20090629 19:28:55< Soliton> well, what can you do?
20090629 19:29:02< Soliton> we can mark admins specially.
20090629 19:29:10< Soliton> but i'm not too fond of that.
20090629 19:29:54< Soliton> and we can maybe reserve <nick>* of special people.
20090629 19:30:28< Soliton> but Noy_4 wouldn't fit that even.
20090629 19:30:47< Soliton> or SoIiton
20090629 19:31:35< Soliton> if someone cares about who their friends are they can put them on the friends list and that can't be fooled like that.
20090629 19:31:46< grzywacz> Soliton, you can mark identified admins, not in general
20090629 19:32:12< Soliton> grzywacz: admins get auto identified nowadays.
20090629 19:32:14< _jbx_> yeah, i understand there is little we can do.  
20090629 19:32:24< _jbx_> still, it doesn't hurt to raise awareness of the issue
20090629 19:32:26< grzywacz> Soliton, I would think it can be disabled
20090629 19:32:36< _jbx_> amongst ourselves
20090629 19:32:37< Soliton> grzywacz: and i don't want people to look for no admins before they start stuff.
20090629 19:32:45< Soliton> grzywacz: it's convenient.
20090629 19:32:46< grzywacz> eh, right
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20090629 19:44:37< grzywacz> oh gawd...
20090629 19:44:42 * Soliton idly wonders what's wrong with the xyz guy.
20090629 19:45:45 * grzywacz ^
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20090629 22:49:57< Turuk> Soliton, do you still need helping testing something on 1.6.2
20090629 22:49:58< Turuk> ?
20090629 22:50:17< Soliton> no, thanks.
20090629 22:50:22< Turuk> K.
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