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20090611 10:43:34< Ivanovic> moin
20090611 10:50:56< Vornicus> Minus what?
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20090611 16:23:17< Soliton> Ken_Oh: what's the idea behind allowing the player to leave for the overworld at any time? that way you can just "beam out" whenever things get ugly.
20090611 16:26:00< Ken_Oh> yeah, all nethack/roguelike games have ladder laming. the difference for wesband is it's turn-based/multiplayer so it would really suck having to go up all those stairs.
20090611 16:26:38< Ken_Oh> are you suggesting something like making it so you have to be "safe" to go up ladders? or maybe the players should have to all go up individually.
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20090611 16:27:42< Soliton> yeah, just suggesting you have be "safe". simplest case is when you cleared the level.
20090611 16:33:12< Soliton> Ken_Oh: now i can't move on again because of the empty unit problem: http://www.wesnoth.org/files/soliton/Wesband_Dungeon_Turn_19.gz  can you really continue that game on windows?
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20090611 16:35:25< Ken_Oh> yeah, i haven't had anything stop a game for a long time now, except for a dungeon creation hang bug
20090611 16:35:54< Ken_Oh> ok, thanks again. i'll try to clear that up.
20090611 16:36:58< Soliton> can you try to continue that save?
20090611 16:37:20< Ken_Oh> sure, give me a minute
20090611 16:37:41< Ken_Oh> You don't have permission to access /files/soliton/Wesband_Dungeon_Turn_19.gz on this server.
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20090611 16:38:55< Soliton> Ken_Oh: sorry, try again.
20090611 16:39:05< Ken_Oh> ok, works now
20090611 16:39:39< Soliton> btw, is there any reason to get anything else but elvish shamans as henchman?
20090611 16:40:03< Rrenys> any plans for 1.7?
20090611 16:40:24< Rrenys> (porting wesband for it, that is)
20090611 16:41:10< Soliton> oh yeah, i fixed steadfast in 1.7 so that it makes sense to have it even if some resistances are over the max of it.
20090611 16:41:11< Rrenys> i just copied the 1.6 wesband from the web campaign server interface to userdata, & wesnoth couldnt find it! (not that it would be that relevant, as i imagine it would crash anyway)
20090611 16:41:20< Soliton> can't port that to 1.6 though.
20090611 16:41:46< Soliton> Rrenys: run wmllint on it the location of the data dir changed.
20090611 16:42:01< Soliton> otherwise not much, i think.
20090611 16:42:03< Rrenys> ok
20090611 16:42:46< Soliton> oh and you have to put it in data/add-ons if you do it manually.
20090611 16:42:55< Rrenys> huh
20090611 16:43:12< Ken_Oh> Soliton: OK, wow, I'm also getting that error now. 
20090611 16:43:24< Rrenys> you mean userdata/data/add-ons right?
20090611 16:43:26< Soliton> Ken_Oh: ok, fix it! :-P
20090611 16:43:34< Soliton> Rrenys: sure.
20090611 16:45:16< Ken_Oh> I think maybe units are being generated beyond the capacity to make them, but there was supposed to be an upper limit...
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20090611 16:46:23< Ken_Oh> Rrenys: I'd probably look more into that when the campaign/era is "done". really, spells and magic items and such are the only big things planned, other than a possible end game option
20090611 16:48:03< Soliton> oh also i lost a henchman when i spawned right in the middle of some undead in a new level a while back. i mean it simply didn't appear or maybe was "overwritten" by a spawning enemy or something.
20090611 16:49:07< Ken_Oh> Soliton Re: Healer henches: Fighting henches should be able to wield weapons better, but maybe they don't do it enough better than healers to make a difference.
20090611 16:50:47< Ken_Oh> I've never been down that far. Can I ask how difficult it is?
20090611 16:50:48< Soliton> more importantly i don't want them to get any XP at least not from killing.
20090611 16:51:35< Soliton> well, it's not really difficult when your units have nearly 200HP. :-P
20090611 16:52:11< Soliton> or you can don armor so that the enemy does ~1 damage per strike.
20090611 16:52:26< Ken_Oh> yeah, was thinking that. We might have to start artificially making the enemies stronger. 
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20090611 16:52:42< Ken_Oh> and probably want some upper limits on armor. I think armor is too strong in general.
20090611 16:52:50< Soliton> yes.
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20090611 17:03:37< Soliton> Ken_Oh: where do i get the latest version with the bugs i reported fixed?
20090611 17:04:19< ardesh> Soliton, most likely cvs/git/svn whatever
20090611 17:04:31< ardesh> but dont expect those versions to be stable
20090611 17:05:39 * Soliton blinks.
20090611 17:06:07< Soliton> i think i'll try another run with two humans and an elf to see how difficult it is without using armor much.
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20090611 17:17:24< Soliton> Ken_Oh: another thing, you can not give shields but only drop them. intentional?
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20090611 17:26:16< Ken_Oh> yeah, NPCs can't use shields just yet,
20090611 17:27:58< Soliton> well, you can't give them to another character either.
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20090611 17:30:57< Ken_Oh> Right. That functionality shares a lot of the same code with giving to an NPC, so we're holding off on it until then.
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20090611 17:36:12< Soliton> Ken_Oh: so where are you hiding the latest version?
20090611 17:44:04< Ken_Oh> haha, only a few small additions currently.
20090611 17:47:51< Soliton> Ken_Oh: i'd just like to start the next run without the two bugs about item giving and henchman vanishing that exasperation fixed.
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20090611 18:39:42< KEBA> how to play wesnoth in a local network with windows?
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20090611 19:01:03< Soliton> start wesnothd. multiplayer -> host networked game
20090611 19:02:56< KEBA> Soliton: does not work
20090611 19:03:14< KEBA> i mean so can open a game, but noone can enter
20090611 19:04:20< KEBA> ah i missunderstand you...
20090611 19:04:25< KEBA> how to start wesnothd?
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20090611 19:23:57< KEBA> hm, if i try to start a network server i just get a error... something about a 
20090611 19:24:30< KEBA> ... "WML", error msg: Could not get image for terrain: _off^_usr.
20090611 19:24:59< KEBA> Condition "false" failed as srcminimap.cpp:87 in function "getMinimap"
20090611 19:25:34< KEBA> hm, but i cannot start a normal game, too
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20090611 20:04:03< shadowmaster> anyone available at the moment is running a debian stable (lenny) system with a stock kernel?
20090611 20:06:38< shadowmaster> no? hmpf. I'll check elsewhere then.
20090611 20:08:23< shadowmaster> okay, found it. nvm
20090611 20:12:47< shadowmaster> (thanks apt cache!)
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20090611 21:21:41< Ken_Oh> Soliton: If you want, this save file includes a fix for that bug that stopped your game. http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/776904/Wesband_Dungeon_Turn_19
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20090611 21:22:04< Ken_Oh> (courtesy of Exasperation)
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20090611 21:34:32< Soliton> Ken_Oh: cool, thanks.
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