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20090621 05:36:04< ancestral> http://www.wesnoth.org/images/sshots/
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20090621 11:13:18< Ivanovic> moin
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20090621 14:23:29< monel> hi
20090621 14:27:08< monel> some1 wanna play ?
20090621 14:28:29< VurtualRuler98> Isn't there an mp channel?
20090621 14:33:25< Turuk> Doesn't this channel serve a general use purpose?
20090621 14:33:41< VurtualRuler98> I dunno.
20090621 14:33:49< VurtualRuler98> I remember someone mentioning an MP channel somewhere.
20090621 14:35:38< Turuk> There is indeed an MP channel as well.
20090621 14:35:46< Turuk> It is, surprisingly, #wesnoth-mp
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20090621 22:07:50< Aethaeryn> anyone ever come up with the achievements suggestion before?
20090621 22:08:03< Aethaeryn> achievements/trophies similar to how 360/PS3 do things?
20090621 22:08:32< Soliton> yes.
20090621 22:08:35< Aethaeryn> achievements are surprisingly fun to collect if done right, and could improve replayability by hiding secrets or giving certain goals
20090621 22:08:44< Aethaeryn> although since it's 100% not original, I'd say it's probably been suggested before
20090621 22:09:31< Aethaeryn> well, if it's been rejected I wouldn't mind putting one in the campaign I'm going to make (probably best to just make a new one)
20090621 22:09:48< Soliton> it's not been rejected.
20090621 22:10:16< Soliton> but i don't think anything has been done.
20090621 22:10:25< Aethaeryn> well, it would seem interesting to code in "bragging rights" basically
20090621 22:10:38< Soliton> though i believe we have icons showing what campaign you completed now.
20090621 22:10:49< Aethaeryn> obviously achievement-type things for progress, but also for things like "Win the first scenario in HttT instead of running away"
20090621 22:12:03< Aethaeryn> Yes, I'm a Linux-user heretic by owning an Xbox 360... but I do like a wide variety of games (besides, Sony is no better than Microsoft as a company, look at the DRM they tried to put on CDs)...
20090621 22:12:18< Aethaeryn> (spyware DRM controversy thing)
20090621 22:12:28< Aethaeryn> but I do believe they have something going with the whole achievements thing...
20090621 22:12:45< Aethaeryn> I believe some PC games have copied the Xbox 360 in that sense.
20090621 22:13:50< Aethaeryn> (and it gives artists something else to do)
20090621 22:26:19< Ivanovic> you mean achievements like "kill a dark adept with a berserker unit" things?
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20090621 22:26:31< Aethaeryn> Ivanovic: basically.
20090621 22:26:57< Ivanovic> or even better: have a dark adept *survive* an attack by a berserk unit
20090621 22:26:59< Ivanovic> hehehe
20090621 22:27:12< Aethaeryn> things that (a) mark progress, (b) help you out a little by suggesting useful things, or (c) increase replayability by suggesting difficult things
20090621 22:27:20< Aethaeryn> the first suggestion of yours would fall under b, the third c
20090621 22:28:01< Aethaeryn> assuming a complete blatant copy (which shouldn't be done), basically, each campaign could have 100 points worth, HttT 200 points worth, and custom 100 points worth
20090621 22:28:07< Aethaeryn> and 200 points or something for MP streaks
20090621 22:28:23< Aethaeryn> skip the points and make them all just plain things to get and it'd be 10, 20, 10, and 20
20090621 22:28:49< Aethaeryn> though, unlike most games, perhaps they could provide benefits.
20090621 22:29:13< Ivanovic> first someone would have to code some infrastructure for "achievements"
20090621 22:29:25< Aethaeryn> obviously, they'd first need some unique spin on it
20090621 22:29:26< Ivanovic> as in: a way to display them and a way to define them ingame
20090621 22:29:52< Aethaeryn> WML, though, is pretty flexible.
20090621 22:30:13< Aethaeryn> all you'd need is certain events to trigger an achievement, like completing a campaign or a particularly tough scenario on the hardest difficulty.
20090621 22:30:34< Aethaeryn> the harder things to pull off would be if someone wanted something like "kill 100 dark adepts" because you'd need a counter
20090621 22:31:05< Aethaeryn> I'd say the hardest part is displaying
20090621 22:31:34< Ivanovic> displaying, storing values where needed and defining them in a nice way
20090621 22:31:36< Aethaeryn> as well as coming up with a unique twist on them and making them worthwhile (perhaps unlocking something if you get enough? but unlockables I'm sure aren't liked)
20090621 22:31:52< Aethaeryn> (perhaps unlocking bonus dialogue for a second playthrough would be acceptable?)
20090621 22:31:55< Ivanovic> those are the three things needed and they require "some work" noone so far has spent (or said that he will spend)
20090621 22:32:43< Ivanovic> without any infrastructure thinking about possible achivements and what to make out of the system is rather senseless IMO
20090621 22:32:57< Aethaeryn> idk
20090621 22:33:11< Aethaeryn> if someone can flesh out the idea first, then they can code it.
20090621 22:33:48< Aethaeryn> i.e. coming up with a name/theme, such as "runes"
20090621 22:35:33< Aethaeryn> you could get a rune for completing a campaign or carrying out specific tasks (i.e. scenario on hardest difficulty), limit 10 for campaigns (except 20 for large ones like HttT)
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20090621 22:36:47< Aethaeryn> and, if coded properly, unlocking all 10 (or 20) runes could do something like give bonus dialogue for another playthrough or even change the campaign up a little bit...
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20090621 23:47:27< Blueblaze> o
20090621 23:47:28< Blueblaze> hey Aethaeryn
20090621 23:49:05< Aethaeryn> hey
20090621 23:49:12< Aethaeryn> been a while, yeah
20090621 23:49:45< Aethaeryn> I'm making a new campaign, just drew up the first map (mapping is now even easier than before with the new forests)...
20090621 23:58:45< Aethaeryn> I just typed up a quick background
20090621 23:59:34< Aethaeryn> Blueblaze: want to hear it?
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