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20090626 01:23:08< Fuinur> Michael Jakcson is dead. :S
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20090626 01:23:27< Fuinur> *Jackson
20090626 01:23:55< Aethaeryn> damn
20090626 01:24:12< Aethaeryn> On one hand, the world's kids will be safer.
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20090626 01:24:34< Aethaeryn> On the other hand, I didn't see this coming and wouldn't wish death on anyone, no matter how wierd/creepy they are.
20090626 01:24:39< Aethaeryn> How'd he die?
20090626 01:24:42< Aethaeryn> Drugs? Murder?
20090626 01:24:46 * Aethaeryn pokes Fuinur 
20090626 01:24:47< Fuinur> Heartattack
20090626 01:24:50< Aethaeryn> O.o
20090626 01:25:16< Aethaeryn> This is just not a good decade to be a celebrity
20090626 01:26:06< Fuinur> He was rushed into the UCLA hospital but he didn't survive. He was declared dead in the afternoon of the local time.
20090626 01:27:16< Fuinur> 50 years is not enough if you think about it.
20090626 01:27:50< Fuinur>  i want to live at least age of 90 or more.
20090626 01:28:07< Fuinur> But who knows what happens.
20090626 01:30:13< Aethaeryn> 90?
20090626 01:30:16< Aethaeryn> Only?
20090626 01:30:24< Fuinur> :D
20090626 01:30:27< Aethaeryn> Assuming technology increases this century at the same rate as last...
20090626 01:30:30< Aethaeryn> I want to live to see 2100
20090626 01:30:43< Aethaeryn> and laugh about the "live to 90" thing with you, over IRC
20090626 01:30:51< Fuinur> http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/25/michael-jackson-dies-death-dead-cardiac-arrest/  <--- About Jackson.
20090626 01:31:08< Aethaeryn> yes, it'll be a 3-dimensional computer, but I'll still be using irssi (text-based, used-in-Terminal IRC)
20090626 01:31:28< Fuinur> not the best article but still.
20090626 01:31:55< Fuinur> Aethaeryn where are u from?
20090626 01:32:18< Fuinur> I mean country.
20090626 01:32:21< Fuinur> ?
20090626 01:32:46< Aethaeryn> United States
20090626 01:32:52< Fuinur> Ok.
20090626 01:32:58< Aethaeryn> which means people in Northern Europe will live longer than me
20090626 01:33:00< Aethaeryn> as will women
20090626 01:33:20< Fuinur> Luckily I'm from Northern Europe. :D
20090626 01:33:52< Aethaeryn> Yeah, but what did Northern Europe ever do?
20090626 01:33:59< Aethaeryn> Besides inventing Linux?
20090626 01:34:01< Aethaeryn> And Ikea?
20090626 01:34:04< Fuinur> :D
20090626 01:34:10< Aethaeryn> And Legos?
20090626 01:34:19< Fuinur> Lots of things but you don't yet know it. ;)
20090626 01:34:29< Aethaeryn> Hmmm
20090626 01:34:35< Aethaeryn> actually, I notice a trend
20090626 01:34:39< Aethaeryn> Ikea: build-it-yourself furniture
20090626 01:34:44< Aethaeryn> Legos: build-it-yourself toy
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20090626 01:34:51< Aethaeryn> Linux: build-it-yourself operating system
20090626 01:34:54< Fuinur> :D
20090626 01:35:32< Fuinur> Is USA the best? O_o
20090626 01:35:46< Aethaeryn> Oh yes, I love our American-centric news.
20090626 01:36:01< Fuinur> :D News are being manipulated there...
20090626 01:36:03< Aethaeryn> I mean, it covers the world as it should: it only matters when it involves America.
20090626 01:36:24< Aethaeryn> I mean, it's not like BBC World, which doesn't even come on most cable/sattelite here, is more unbiased.
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20090626 01:36:36< Fuinur> Right....
20090626 01:36:49< Aethaeryn> I *love* the three topics on America's news: politics, celebrities, and crime
20090626 01:37:07< Fuinur> What do think of your president, Barack Obama?
20090626 01:37:20< Aethaeryn> I mean, we're home of Holywood. Think about all of the great things that come from Holywood... It's better than, you know, things that require thinking.
20090626 01:37:26< Aethaeryn> </sarcasm>
20090626 01:37:39< Fuinur> Ya rich too?
20090626 01:37:45< Aethaeryn> Rich comparatively.
20090626 01:37:47< Blueblaze> Aethaeryn: Michael Jackson is dead
20090626 01:37:48< Blueblaze> so
20090626 01:37:50< Blueblaze> back off
20090626 01:38:02< Aethaeryn> I'm more lower middle class, but in Latin America or something I'd be upper middle class.
20090626 01:38:15< Fuinur> Ok.
20090626 01:38:28< Aethaeryn> But about Obama...
20090626 01:38:36< Fuinur> Is there celebs in ur family?
20090626 01:38:40< Fuinur> ;)
20090626 01:38:40< Aethaeryn> I don't really like making celebrities out of anyone.
20090626 01:39:01< Fuinur> Ok
20090626 01:39:06< Fuinur> And Obama?
20090626 01:39:15< Aethaeryn> I hate celebrity news. I guess such a "rock star" president doesn't really please me. I wouldn't mind Obama as much if they didn't treat him like a celebrity
20090626 01:39:21< Aethaeryn> I mean, here in the US, being famous = insta-win.
20090626 01:39:32< Aethaeryn> Look at the governor of California, a bankrupt state.
20090626 01:39:48< Fuinur> I know what u mean.
20090626 01:39:51< Aethaeryn> Didn't do any good for it, as far as I can tell.
20090626 01:39:57< Aethaeryn> So, I prefer not to jump on bandwagons.
20090626 01:40:00< Aethaeryn> Doesn't mean I don't like Obama.
20090626 01:40:05< Blueblaze> Aethaeryn: lol Arnold didn't bankrupt California
20090626 01:40:13< Aethaeryn> Just means I'll refrain from judging him until after this term
20090626 01:40:23< Fuinur> :D
20090626 01:40:30< Aethaeryn> Quite frankly, I don't give a damn about what type of dog they have in the white house or what it's called.
20090626 01:40:30< Blueblaze> You need to take a Poli-sci course if you think 1 person can bankrupt a state/city/country
20090626 01:40:50< Aethaeryn> Blueblaze: Careful.
20090626 01:40:56< Aethaeryn> I'm a political science major, for one.
20090626 01:41:03< Aethaeryn> Secondly, I didn't say he bankrupted it. I said it's a bankrupt state.
20090626 01:41:14< Aethaeryn> and I said I didn't see anything particularly good he did for it.
20090626 01:41:33< Aethaeryn> He (I'm not going to try to spell his name) runs on star power, really.
20090626 01:41:38< Fuinur> What time is it there?
20090626 01:41:39< Aethaeryn> He's not a Democrat, he's not a Republican.
20090626 01:42:17< Aethaeryn> (Well, he ran as a Republican because the incumbant was Democrat, but he's not much of one. I doubt a Republican would like his policies.)
20090626 01:42:18< noy> what else should be on the news?
20090626 01:42:27< Aethaeryn> noy: Idk, Iran?
20090626 01:42:33< noy> It kinda is
20090626 01:42:49< Aethaeryn> I watched the news yesterday because of what esr is doing
20090626 01:43:01< Aethaeryn> There was about 2.5 combined hours on that governor cheating on his wife for some Argentinian chick.
20090626 01:43:07< Aethaeryn> And then about .3 combined hours on Iran.
20090626 01:43:15< noy> Who "watches the news?"
20090626 01:43:19< Aethaeryn> Guess which story is *actually* more important.
20090626 01:43:24< noy> I mean seriously, thats not the news
20090626 01:43:32< Aethaeryn> noy: By watching the news, I meant I put on a news channel while playing Wesnoth
20090626 01:43:36< Fuinur> Please tell me what time it is there?
20090626 01:43:40< Aethaeryn> But I could at least *hear* the news
20090626 01:43:43< Aethaeryn> Fuinur: 7:45pm
20090626 01:43:49< Fuinur> Oh
20090626 01:43:56< noy> I don't think anybody considers that news
20090626 01:44:03< noy> well who actually know what news is
20090626 01:44:08< Aethaeryn> Yes.
20090626 01:44:13< Fuinur> Here it's 2:38am :D
20090626 01:44:16< Aethaeryn> but at least BBC tries to take themselves more seriously.
20090626 01:44:32< noy> Okay, thats one outlet
20090626 01:44:35< Aethaeryn> Why can't we get BBC World News on Comcast?
20090626 01:44:56< Aethaeryn> MSNBC = liberal slant, and Microsoft-sponsored
20090626 01:45:04< noy> thats not news either
20090626 01:45:13< Aethaeryn> Fox News = heavy Republican (notice, Republican, not conservative) slant
20090626 01:45:23< noy> nope, thats not it
20090626 01:46:07< Aethaeryn> And that leaves CNN.
20090626 01:46:12< Aethaeryn> Meh.
20090626 01:46:18< noy> That isn't news either
20090626 01:46:27< noy> well, they are probably the best
20090626 01:46:41< Aethaeryn> Well, they don't really have too much competition
20090626 01:47:36< Blueblaze> CNN is highly liberal
20090626 01:47:38< Aethaeryn> What bothers me about Republicans is their "family values" thing...
20090626 01:47:45< Blueblaze> You're biased if you think they're not :\
20090626 01:47:55< Aethaeryn> Basically means that they want to censor everything not kid-friendly... :/
20090626 01:47:59< Aethaeryn> I'm very big first amendment.
20090626 01:48:07< Aethaeryn> I guess I'm more libertarian than anything else.
20090626 01:48:17< noy> if you want to be a political scientist, you don't watch CNN or any network except the BBC
20090626 01:48:23< noy> I don't. 
20090626 01:48:32< Aethaeryn> noy: All I have is BBC America
20090626 01:48:37< Aethaeryn> which has one hour of news
20090626 01:48:42< noy> Well thats all you get for now. 
20090626 01:48:43< Aethaeryn> I usually get my news online.
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20090626 01:48:47< Blueblaze> noy: Ehh, many political scientists are biased
20090626 01:48:48< Blueblaze> most are :p
20090626 01:48:54< Blueblaze> To be a good fair unbiased one, you're right though
20090626 01:48:56< Aethaeryn> I'd say political scientists are very political.
20090626 01:49:08< noy> The first thing you do is pony up the 24 dollars a month to get an Financial Times subscription
20090626 01:49:10< Aethaeryn> I'm more political science major for pre-law than anything else.
20090626 01:49:20< Fuinur> You should get your news from european webpages.
20090626 01:49:29< Aethaeryn> Fuinur: European slant :P
20090626 01:49:37< noy> the first thing you do is to pony up the 24 dollars a month to get a FT subscription. 
20090626 01:49:48< Aethaeryn> noy: do you work for them or something?
20090626 01:50:09< noy> Nope, but them, the NYT and WP are probably some of the best journalistic outfits. 
20090626 01:50:21< noy> we'll see how the WSJ does in the next few years. 
20090626 01:50:55< Aethaeryn> I do usually read NYT/WP/WSJ online
20090626 01:51:04< Aethaeryn> have their things on the Google homepage.
20090626 01:51:06< Blueblaze> Aethaeryn: Read it on your iPhone
20090626 01:51:07< Blueblaze> :>
20090626 01:51:15< Aethaeryn> Blueblaze: I have a plain iPod
20090626 01:51:29< Aethaeryn> iPhone = over-hyped, and poor Linux support when I looked into it
20090626 01:51:48< Fuinur> off// do you have account in america's army game?
20090626 01:51:49< noy> actually I think the Iphone is great
20090626 01:51:56< Aethaeryn> I'd rather not have to switch to the far-lesser-used partition just to do music
20090626 01:52:00< Fuinur> Anyone?
20090626 01:52:05< Blueblaze> Over-hyped? not at all, poor linux support? sure, but everything technologically related does not need to revolve around Linux
20090626 01:52:09< Aethaeryn> in fact, I store my music on Linux because Windows partitions fill up a lot faster, even if you give them lots of space
20090626 01:52:13< Aethaeryn> Linux is just a leaner OS
20090626 01:52:14< noy> Blueblaze: exactly
20090626 01:52:33< noy> who cares if it is? Does it have applications I need to do the things I want? 
20090626 01:52:35< Aethaeryn> Blueblaze: eh, just not my cup of tea.
20090626 01:52:44< Aethaeryn> I'm almost always by my laptop
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20090626 01:52:48< Blueblaze> Aethaeryn: I was an unbeliever until I bought the iPhone
20090626 01:52:51< noy> probaly not for my phone. 
20090626 01:52:52< Aethaeryn> and when I'm not, I don't need to connect to the Internet
20090626 01:52:56< Aethaeryn> I'm an Internet-addict enough :P
20090626 01:53:00< Blueblaze> but almost everything I do on my laptop, I do about 2-3x faster on my iPhone
20090626 01:53:23< Turuk> Fuinur: I have an ongoing account in America's Army, valid through 2015
20090626 01:53:29< Aethaeryn> Blueblaze: I use my laptop for (1) openoffice, (2) Firefox, (3) IRC, (4) Wesnoth
20090626 01:53:35< Aethaeryn> Blueblaze: I type 90-100 words per minute.
20090626 01:53:45< Aethaeryn> Therefore, any of those 4 tasks = easier with a keyboard
20090626 01:54:04< Aethaeryn> Ameriaca's Army?
20090626 01:54:16< Aethaeryn> I tried it, but I preferred Wolfenstein: ET (yes, that's how long ago I tried it)
20090626 01:55:49< Aethaeryn> Blueblaze: but when I do decide I need a smartphone, Linux support will be one of the biggest factors I'm looking for. I've used Fedora almost exclusively since around Fedora Core 4.
20090626 01:55:54< Aethaeryn> Now it's Fedora 11.
20090626 01:56:17< noy> *shrugs* its a smart phone, not a programming supercomputer
20090626 01:56:32< Blueblaze> Aethaeryn: Get a laptop and tape a cellpohne to it
20090626 01:56:36< Blueblaze> and you've got what you want :P
20090626 01:56:59< noy> hahahahah
20090626 01:57:00< noy> exactly
20090626 01:57:35< Aethaeryn> Blueblaze, noy: not really. But I'd rather have an iPod classic for music than an iPhone, because my music is on my Linux (more used) partition, and iPods are supported better than iPhones.
20090626 01:58:00 * Turuk reaches for the log button.
20090626 01:58:03 * Turuk turns it off.
20090626 01:58:11< Blueblaze> Turuk: Who reads the logs in #wesnoth honestly?
20090626 01:58:12< Blueblaze> :|
20090626 01:58:16< Aethaeryn> If I needed a new phone or iPod and support is better for it, then I'd use it. But I'm not significantly inconveniencing myself over a toy.
20090626 01:58:48< Blueblaze> Aethaeryn: A jailbroken iPhone can easily sync up with Linux computers
20090626 01:58:50 * Turuk is talking about his personal logs.
20090626 01:59:01< Blueblaze> heh
20090626 01:59:02< Turuk> The ones that let me know when a new message is posted here
20090626 01:59:07< Aethaeryn> Blueblaze: I use AT&T, I wouldn't need to jailbreak it.
20090626 01:59:19< Fuinur> I'm strugglin with the Special Forces SF E and E training.
20090626 01:59:19< Blueblaze> uhh
20090626 01:59:30< Blueblaze> Aethaeryn: Most people don't jailbreak their iPhone to use it on another network
20090626 01:59:32< Aethaeryn> Maybe the iPhone is great, but it's just unnecessary for me. :P
20090626 01:59:35< Fuinur> It's annoying
20090626 01:59:39< Turuk> No Special Forces for me, just Ordnance
20090626 02:01:03< Aethaeryn> Talking to me about the iPhone is like talking to me about a really awesome bicycle. I don't use a bicylce. I don't need a bicycle. Sure it would be fun, but it would also be a waste of money. Blueblaze, you're arguing that the iPhone is the best, but even if it's the best I don't need it.
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20090626 02:01:45< Fuinur> Ya by the name Turuk?
20090626 02:02:05< Aethaeryn> In summary: I just don't need a bicycle at this point in my life, no matter how good it is. End of argument. :P
20090626 02:02:07< Turuk> Nope, I signed my name as something different on the DA 71
20090626 02:02:50< Fuinur> ok
20090626 02:03:13< Blueblaze> Aethaeryn: fyi http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10110132-16.html
20090626 02:06:17< Aethaeryn> Blueblaze: Not Linux on iPhone, I mean Linux music to (unhacked) iPhone music
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20090626 02:06:51< Aethaeryn> Blueblaze: if I were to get an iPhone (my iPod is too new to justify the waste of money), I'd primarily use it as an iPod. iPod classic + old phone just worked better for me
20090626 02:07:44< Blueblaze> Linux music?
20090626 02:07:47 * Blueblaze has never heard of this
20090626 02:08:32 * Aethaeryn sighs
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20090626 02:08:44< Blueblaze> Aethaeryn: please explain what Linux music is
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20090626 02:09:01< Aethaeryn> Blueblaze: MUSIC ON LINUX TO MUSIC ON IPHONE
20090626 02:09:03< Aethaeryn> damn
20090626 02:09:07< Aethaeryn> I thought it was clear enough
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20090626 02:09:25< Blueblaze> Okay, so you want a Linux computer to be able to sync with an iPhone?
20090626 02:09:26< Aethaeryn> considering I said like 3 times that my music collection is on my Linux partition
20090626 02:09:28< Blueblaze> Of course that's possible :|
20090626 02:09:48< Blueblaze> That's been possible via free third party programs for a long time now
20090626 02:09:49< Aethaeryn> Blueblaze: but the support's better for an iPod
20090626 02:10:03< Aethaeryn> Blueblaze: plus, 8 GB vs. 120 GB were my choices
20090626 02:10:10< Aethaeryn> :P
20090626 02:10:14< Blueblaze> Only old iPhones come in 8gb
20090626 02:10:26< Aethaeryn> :/
20090626 02:10:41 * Blueblaze 's iPhone is 32gb
20090626 02:10:47< Blueblaze> Still not 120gb of course
20090626 02:11:27< Aethaeryn> so, back to that politics thing...
20090626 02:11:48 * Blueblaze drops out of the conversatio
20090626 02:11:51< Blueblaze> noy: Your turn
20090626 02:11:55< noy> meh
20090626 02:14:02< Aethaeryn> noy: seatbelt laws: necessary or unnecessary?
20090626 02:14:33< Turuk> Natural Selection
20090626 02:14:38< noy> why don't we cut to the chase then; Isaiah Berlin or Charles Taylor; Negative Liberty vs Positive Liberty
20090626 02:17:08< Aethaeryn> noy: loaded words
20090626 02:17:21< Aethaeryn> clearly, "positive liberty" is supposed to appear more appealing, by simple connontation
20090626 02:17:22< noy> ... for a loaded question. 
20090626 02:17:37< noy> Not if you have actually read those two works. 
20090626 02:18:09< noy> which is the basis of that debate. 
20090626 02:21:08< Aethaeryn> well, I think I'd have to pick negative liberty.
20090626 02:22:13< Blueblaze> Aethaeryn: Do you know what the difference is?
20090626 02:22:49< noy> All the way? Shall we go to anarchy?
20090626 02:22:51< Aethaeryn> Blueblaze: positive liberty seems more paternalistic.
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20090626 02:23:24< Aethaeryn> noy: Obviously, in a state of anarchy, there would be chaos. There needs to be a government to do things like administer justice.
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20090626 02:23:43< noy> So I guess positive liberty is okay a bit?
20090626 02:24:01< Blueblaze> noy: The answer is always balance :p
20090626 02:24:18< noy> Oh, I see. 
20090626 02:24:20< Blueblaze> Granted, that's the answer to every black vs white type question
20090626 02:24:24< Aethaeryn> noy: I'd say one of the areas where I'd be most un-libertarian/anarchist/whatever is education.
20090626 02:25:17< Aethaeryn> In the information age, education seems like it is just as necessary as other governmental services.
20090626 02:25:18< noy> well bb, I guess just being all of one or the other doesn't work well often.
20090626 02:25:24< noy> anyway.
20090626 02:25:33< Aethaeryn> And yes, absolutism doesn't work out too well :P
20090626 02:28:57< Aethaeryn> noy: I'd say one of the reasons I disagree with most modern politics is really the distinction between individualism and collectivism
20090626 02:29:00< Blueblaze> noy: Well it does work out in religious contexts
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20090626 02:29:25< noy> ?
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20090626 02:30:53< Aethaeryn> noy: What should come first, the nation/community's interests or the individual's interests?
20090626 02:31:54< noy> so every news filing should have an extended discussion on collectivism or individualism?
20090626 02:32:16< Aethaeryn> no
20090626 02:34:33< Blueblaze> Aethaeryn: This is for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjW1iq4IO2k
20090626 02:39:20< Aethaeryn> meh, nevermind about politics
20090626 02:39:26< Aethaeryn> surprisingly, I'm not too talkative
20090626 02:39:37< Aethaeryn> or at least, I can't seem to be able to articulate anything today. too tired
20090626 02:39:55< Blueblaze> Aethaeryn: This is you not being talkative?
20090626 02:40:03< Aethaeryn> yes
20090626 02:40:41< Aethaeryn> note 10-15 lines in 30 minutes rather than the usual
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20090626 02:41:50< noy> well that was easy
20090626 02:41:59< Turuk> Whew
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20090626 02:49:04< Blueblaze> noy: If you are a regular reader of the NYT, then you might want to try their free app
20090626 02:49:09< noy> oh?
20090626 02:50:03< noy> I guess I will
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20090626 02:51:57< Blueblaze> Yeah, its nothing super special, but it is a pretty clean interface to let you sort through their websites quickly with just a minor advert at the bottom which seems to just advertise their crossword puzzle app lol
20090626 02:52:27< noy> right
20090626 02:53:07< Blueblaze> You can sort through their latest articles, most popular ones, and also through their regular sections. One neat feature is you can save certain articles if you want to refer back to them later/bookmark to read later
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20090626 03:39:10< Blueblaze> crimson_penguin: Uhh it looks quite full to me
20090626 03:39:30< crimson_penguin> not compared to usual
20090626 03:39:45< crimson_penguin> and when I joined, there was like... no open games
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20090626 03:47:00< Blueblaze> crimson_penguin: Its because Michael Jackson died
20090626 03:47:14< crimson_penguin> oh yeah, must be it
20090626 03:47:17< Blueblaze> That's definitely one of the biggest American icons to die in the last 10 years
20090626 03:47:27 * Blueblaze is being serious :o
20090626 03:48:04< crimson_penguin> I... Guess
20090626 03:48:06< Blueblaze> iirc, there hasn't been a death that has been as widely covered in America since Regan died
20090626 03:48:17< Blueblaze> Which is an American president
20090626 03:48:23< crimson_penguin> That's ridiculous
20090626 03:48:28< crimson_penguin> Why was he such a big deal anyway?
20090626 03:48:37< Blueblaze> Reagon*
20090626 03:49:23< Blueblaze> crimson_penguin: He had the biggest musical influence on music from African Americans ever
20090626 03:50:25< Blueblaze> He is the 3rd/4th best selling post-WW2 musician to ever live
20090626 03:50:51< crimson_penguin> Huh
20090626 03:51:03< crimson_penguin> I guess his most popular time was... before my time
20090626 03:51:17< crimson_penguin> Also I don't think I was ever into that kinda music
20090626 03:51:21< Blueblaze> crimson_penguin: Where do you live?
20090626 03:51:28< crimson_penguin> Canada
20090626 03:51:46< Blueblaze> ahh, so in North America, well he was most popular in the 80s
20090626 03:51:55< Blueblaze> That was his prime
20090626 03:51:59< crimson_penguin> I was born in 88 ;)
20090626 03:52:08< Blueblaze> Same :p
20090626 03:52:30< Blueblaze> He was basically the African American musician to cross racial barriers on every level
20090626 03:52:31< crimson_penguin> Cool
20090626 03:55:16< Blueblaze> crimson_penguin: Here in America, almost every major television station is covering news about Michael Jackson's death and just general biographies about him
20090626 03:55:59< Blueblaze> Or was anyway
20090626 03:56:09< Blueblaze> Turned off the TV a little while ago
20090626 03:56:10< crimson_penguin> Crazy
20090626 03:56:34< crimson_penguin> I don't have a TV
20090626 04:17:43 * Shadow_Master had no idea Blueblaze knew the word "serious"
20090626 04:21:23 * crimson_penguin is getting oos errors with 1.6.3, playing with people on 1.6.2
20090626 04:25:57< Shadow_Master> crimson_penguin: any particular scenario/era?
20090626 04:26:26< crimson_penguin> yeah, it's a user-made thing... I forget what it's called, but it's a 6 player team survival
20090626 04:26:53< Shadow_Master> world conquest,?
20090626 04:42:07< crimson_penguin> not sure
20090626 04:42:16< crimson_penguin> we're still playing, you could check the server if you want
20090626 04:42:25< crimson_penguin> I'm penguin on the server
20090626 04:49:59< Shadow_Master> I seem to have forgotten my forum password.
20090626 04:50:28< Shadow_Master> oh, wait, it worked :)
20090626 04:53:36< crimson_penguin> bats have 60% on everything but village? on which they have 40%?
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20090626 05:16:00< Aethaeryn> anyone want to play a long game (Wilderlands perhaps?), preferably on 1.7, but I have 1.6 as well
20090626 05:23:03< Blueblaze> HI
20090626 05:23:11< Blueblaze> Aethaeryn: How many players is the Wilderlands?
20090626 05:26:14< Aethaeryn> Blueblaze: it's the large 4p map
20090626 05:26:18< Aethaeryn> like the large 2p map
20090626 05:26:27< Aethaeryn> it's actually 5p, though
20090626 05:26:30< Aethaeryn> one player can play as monsters
20090626 05:26:30< Blueblaze> Aethaeryn: I'll play
20090626 05:26:34< Blueblaze> oh
20090626 05:26:35< Blueblaze> or not
20090626 05:26:44< Aethaeryn> O.o
20090626 05:26:54 * Blueblaze does not play maps that are 2v2v1
20090626 05:26:57< Aethaeryn> there's a 5th player that is a bunch of randomly placed creatures
20090626 05:27:07< Aethaeryn> but really, it's meant for AI
20090626 05:27:16< Aethaeryn> it's to give the more "wilderness" feel to it
20090626 05:27:33< Blueblaze> I refuse to let a 5th player control the destiny of a 2v2 match
20090626 05:27:46< Aethaeryn> Blueblaze: well, it's AI
20090626 05:28:00< Aethaeryn> though, maybe you can set it empty to get rid of it?
20090626 05:29:32< Aethaeryn> Blueblaze: how about this... I try to relearn WML with this simple era thing...
20090626 05:29:50< Aethaeryn> Blueblaze: and it can be 2 v 2 (AI), with the AI given gold periodically for "waves" to make it more challenging
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20090626 18:21:02< pf2222> NUEEDO!, everybody
20090626 18:21:30< Cimeries> NUEEDO.
20090626 18:21:46 * shadowmaster retreats into his own channel
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20090626 18:22:08< pf2222> DUEEGO!
20090626 18:22:08< Cimeries> Too much NUEEDO for one man to handle.
20090626 18:22:12< pf2222> lol.
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20090626 18:22:27< Cimeries> DUEEGO.
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20090626 18:24:28< pf2222> NUEEDO!
20090626 18:25:20< Woodmouse> NUEEDO! to you too. xD
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20090626 18:27:29< pf2222> those two words officially are part of Craza now. :D
20090626 18:27:40< Woodmouse> ok
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20090626 18:44:39< Living_Crap> hehe, nice nick now, right? xD
20090626 18:45:25< pf2222> Welcome to the jungle of beasts and burgers, how may I help you?
20090626 18:45:35< Living_Crap> :o ?
20090626 18:46:01< pf2222> Would you like to try a jungleburger
20090626 18:46:02< pf2222> ?
20090626 18:46:05< Living_Crap> lol
20090626 18:48:10< Cimeries> Welcome to Good Burger, home of the Good Burger. Can I take your order?
20090626 18:48:22< Living_Crap> lol
20090626 18:48:43< Living_Crap> There is no Walking Yeti in Wesnoth!
20090626 18:48:44 * Vornicus wants a fantasy rts. ;_;
20090626 18:48:59< Vornicus> What is there, a leaping yeti?  A swimming yeti?
20090626 18:49:03< Living_Crap> *Walking Yeti Corpse
20090626 18:49:10< Vornicus> Ah.
20090626 18:49:26 * Vornicus gives Living_Crap a Space Yeti instead.
20090626 18:49:41< grzywacz> Vornicus, just play wesnoth with turn limit of 1s
20090626 18:49:42< grzywacz> :P
20090626 18:49:56< Vornicus> grzywacz: That hardly counts.
20090626 18:50:01< grzywacz> Buy yourself Majesty?
20090626 18:50:08 * Living_Crap puts the Space Yeti in a chair.
20090626 18:50:11< Cimeries> Yay for Majesty
20090626 18:50:16< pf2222> Just not do anything for 100 turns?
20090626 18:50:16< Cimeries> Majesty is awesome.
20090626 18:50:21 * Vornicus looks up Majesty.
20090626 18:50:29 * pf2222 eats up Majesty.
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20090626 18:50:44 * pf2222 washes it down with a muffin.
20090626 18:51:00< grzywacz> Cimeries, it is
20090626 18:51:21< Cimeries> I should play it again, haven't played in ages.
20090626 18:51:24< pf2222> I should also eat mm3d while I'm at it, it's been mean to me.
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20090626 18:51:50 * Cimeries looks for his Majesty cd
20090626 18:51:58< Living_Crap> Anyway, Dwalfs! :D
20090626 18:52:00< pf2222> (mm3d is misfit model 3d)
20090626 18:52:06< Living_Crap> (Dwarf Elves)
20090626 18:52:06< pf2222> modeling
20090626 18:52:07< pf2222> stuff
20090626 18:52:20 * Vornicus wonders if Majesty for Mac uses Carbon, or if he's out of luck there.
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20090626 18:52:38< pf2222> and it started corrupting my stuff lately, so I'm mad at it.\
20090626 18:52:44 * pf2222 eats mm3d.
20090626 18:53:06< Cimeries> @Pf222: Use Q2M like all the cool kids.
20090626 18:53:11< pf2222> Living: It should be Dwalves
20090626 18:53:18 * Living_Crap eats Dwalves.
20090626 18:53:27-!- Living_Crap is now known as Woodmouse
20090626 18:53:48< pf2222> Yeah, I just forgot about needing to use QME because of mm3d being stupid
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20090626 18:54:06< pf2222> So I have to do all that work I'd done again
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20090626 18:54:44< Cimeries> Crud, I can't find it anywhere.
20090626 18:54:51< pf2222> Does it always get this busy around lunchtime?
20090626 18:54:53< Woodmouse> Let this frog make everyone happy:      :}
20090626 18:54:57< Woodmouse> (xD)
20090626 18:55:12< pf2222> Well, then it'd be busy all the time..
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20090626 18:55:13< Cimeries> I did find my Balder's Gate cd though, which I thought was surely devoured by dust bunnies.
20090626 18:55:23< pf2222> For every hour it is lunchtime somewhere.
20090626 18:55:38< grzywacz> Cimeries, BG is boring
20090626 18:55:50< pf2222> And then also because people eat lunch at different times anyway
20090626 18:55:51< Woodmouse> @Cimeries: lol, dust bunnies.
20090626 18:55:55< Cimeries> Why so?
20090626 18:56:04< Woodmouse> they could be a faction in Wesnoth. xD
20090626 18:56:14< pf2222> like some might eat at 10:30 or something and others eat 12:00 and others 1:30
20090626 18:56:25< pf2222> lol
20090626 18:56:26< Vornicus> Dust Bunnies vs Space Yetis?
20090626 18:56:29< pf2222> they eat 12:00
20090626 18:56:35< pf2222> DUST
20090626 18:56:36< pf2222> BUNNIES
20090626 18:56:42< Woodmouse> @Vornicus: lol
20090626 18:57:05< Vornicus> I don't want these things eating lunchtime.
20090626 18:57:10< Vornicus> Then when would I eat?
20090626 18:57:18< pf2222> I want
20090626 18:57:29 * pf2222 makes a dust bunny.
20090626 18:57:33< pf2222> somehow.
20090626 18:57:35< Woodmouse> lol
20090626 18:57:54< Woodmouse> make it for Wesnoth! the sprite wouldn't be too hard
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20090626 18:57:57< Vornicus> Oh, that's easy.  Grab a pushbroom and a well-traveled room.
20090626 18:58:14< pf2222> I'm too mad at mm3d to finish what I was working on anyway
20090626 18:58:21< pf2222> So... dust punnies.
20090626 18:58:23< pf2222> *bunnies
20090626 18:58:26< Woodmouse> lol
20090626 18:58:27< pf2222> lol
20090626 18:58:28< pf2222> puns
20090626 18:58:34< pf2222> dust punguys
20090626 18:58:34< Woodmouse> DUST FUNS!
20090626 18:58:39< Woodmouse> DUST GUNS!
20090626 18:58:44< grzywacz> How about less spam?
20090626 18:58:47< Woodmouse> :(
20090626 18:58:48< pf2222> fun pun gun bun sun
20090626 18:59:02< Woodmouse> b*n. :(
20090626 18:59:26< Woodmouse> I don't want to cause poking, that's why I cencored the middle etter
20090626 18:59:30< Woodmouse> *letter
20090626 18:59:40< pf2222> poking who?
20090626 18:59:44< Woodmouse> There's no on with that name. xD
20090626 18:59:49< pf2222> exactly.
20090626 19:00:08< Woodmouse> BUT it might cause poking to certain people, I dunno. xD
20090626 19:00:14< pf2222> Let's go "spam" somewhere else
20090626 19:00:25< Woodmouse> :(
20090626 19:00:45< Cimeries> Ah there, found the cd
20090626 19:00:56< Cimeries> It was in the place I never thought to look in
20090626 19:00:58< Cimeries> It's case
20090626 19:01:01< Cimeries> *its
20090626 19:02:08< pf2222> lol
20090626 19:04:57< pf2222> Dust bunnies
20090626 19:05:00< Woodmouse> All the words that can fit in b*n:
20090626 19:05:02< Woodmouse> ban bun bin bon ben bän bån bön bân bôn bûn bün bên bën bïn bîn bán bón bún bín bén bèn bàn bìn bòn bùn
20090626 19:05:10< Woodmouse> xD (it's not spam)
20090626 19:05:14< pf2222> wait, y is sometimes a vowel
20090626 19:05:20< Woodmouse> oh, that's true
20090626 19:05:29< pf2222> so byn and all those fancy y's
20090626 19:05:45< pf2222> here are words with y as a vowel:
20090626 19:06:05< pf2222> why fly cry
20090626 19:06:06< Woodmouse> ban bun bin bon ben bän bån bön bân bôn bûn bün bên bën bïn bîn bán bón bún bín bén bèn bàn bìn bòn bùn byn bÿn býn
20090626 19:06:11< Woodmouse> that should be all
20090626 19:06:24< Woodmouse> of course, there are some russian and other language things
20090626 19:06:29< pf2222> yeah
20090626 19:07:04< Cimeries> There are no words that have b*n and use letters from another language in them...
20090626 19:07:15< shadowmaster> woodmouse: the second word you mentioned in your last list is considered vulgar in american english
20090626 19:07:15< Cimeries> Those aren't words
20090626 19:07:19< shadowmaster> you may want to avoid that.
20090626 19:07:31< Woodmouse> I didn't know that
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20090626 19:07:44-!- Topic for #wesnoth: Wesnoth User Channel | wesnoth.org | http://addons.wesnoth.org | latest stable version: 1.6.3 | latest development version: 1.7.0| public IRC logs: irclogs.wesnoth.org
20090626 19:07:44-!- Topic set by Ivanovic [] [Tue Jun 23 22:23:36 2009]
20090626 19:07:44[Users #wesnoth]
20090626 19:07:44[ _jbx_   ] [ cerusan        ] [ ettin    ] [ masa_edw] [ Randorr     ] [ thespaceinvader] 
20090626 19:07:44[ ABCD    ] [ cib0           ] [ grzywacz ] [ Mellar  ] [ raz         ] [ Turuk          ] 
20090626 19:07:44[ amnay   ] [ Cimeries       ] [ ilor     ] [ Miccoh  ] [ retupmoca   ] [ Vornicus       ] 
20090626 19:07:44[ Amu     ] [ crimson_penguin] [ Ivanovic ] [ nickbp  ] [ Rhonda      ] [ VurtualRuler98 ] 
20090626 19:07:44[ AnMaster] [ dfranke        ] [ Ken_Oh   ] [ Nissarin] [ shadowmaster] [ wesbot         ] 
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20090626 19:07:44[ apoi    ] [ Dragonking     ] [ law_     ] [ pf2222  ] [ Smar        ] [ Xjs|moonshine  ] 
20090626 19:07:44[ ardesh_ ] [ elynia         ] [ lobby    ] [ Polarina] [ Soliton     ] 
20090626 19:07:44[ Carneus ] [ erl            ] [ MadMerlin] [ Quendus ] [ Stealth     ] 
20090626 19:07:44-!- Irssi: #wesnoth: Total of 52 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 52 normal]
20090626 19:07:44-!- Home page for #wesnoth: http://www.wesnoth.org
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20090626 19:07:48< Cimeries> See, 4 people left because you said bun
20090626 19:07:50-!- Channel #wesnoth created Sun Nov 26 07:42:43 2006
20090626 19:07:53< Woodmouse> :o so many left at the same time... and came
20090626 19:07:54< pf2222> ..did we have a netspilt or something?
20090626 19:08:04< Vornicus> That would be a netsplit, yes.
20090626 19:08:07< pf2222> or internet probmels like woody?
20090626 19:08:08< pf2222> o
20090626 19:08:10< pf2222> *ok
20090626 19:08:21< shadowmaster> yes
20090626 19:08:41< Vornicus> (you can tell by the way the quit message looks:  grisham.freenode.net and irc.freenode.net split off from each other.)
20090626 19:08:55-!- Irssi: Join to #wesnoth was synced in 81 secs
20090626 19:09:15< pf2222> Too bad Pidgin doesn't tell me about global notices
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20090626 19:09:35< shadowmaster> your fault for using what wasn't really intended as an IRC client.
20090626 19:09:46< pf2222> It wasn't?
20090626 19:10:20< pf2222> well, whatever. it's good enough.
20090626 19:10:35< Cimeries> Pidgin is evil
20090626 19:10:37< pf2222> except for a few things, that being one of them, it's good.
20090626 19:10:46< shadowmaster> there have been no GNs or wallops about this netsplit yet anyway. It may have been as well just a server exceeding the TS_DELTA for a few seconds
20090626 19:10:59< pf2222> Another is that the room list is in no order at all and has no search function.
20090626 19:11:21< pf2222> And no muffins.
20090626 19:11:33< Woodmouse> hmmm, if someone has the same ip as I do, is it somehow... scary?
20090626 19:11:48< Woodmouse> Just thinking, no one has the same ip as I do
20090626 19:12:20< pf2222> Me and 5234 have the same ip
20090626 19:12:30< pf2222> *5234 and I
20090626 19:12:47< Woodmouse> yea, but I mean like... in another country
20090626 19:12:59< pf2222> It means that they use the same internet thingy... I forgot exactly.
20090626 19:13:06< shadowmaster> proxy?
20090626 19:13:59< Woodmouse> so if someone in America for example has the same ip as I do, they use my internet connection? and have interbent probmesl at the same time as I do?
20090626 19:14:07< Woodmouse> *internet probmels
20090626 19:14:10< Woodmouse> *problems
20090626 19:14:38< shadowmaster> you cannot have the same IP as someone else when connected to a single network unless they share a network interface.
20090626 19:14:40< pf2222> I wouldn't think they'd use it if they were in America, that's pretty far away
20090626 19:14:53< Woodmouse> ok
20090626 19:15:06< shadowmaster> e.g. connected from the same network card
20090626 19:15:38< Woodmouse> okay. so it's impossible to someone hae the same internet thingy as I do? :)
20090626 19:15:49< pf2222> what's a network card?
20090626 19:15:53< Woodmouse> but if they hack my internet?
20090626 19:15:59< Woodmouse> *connectin
20090626 19:16:02< Woodmouse> *connetcion
20090626 19:16:07< Woodmouse> *connection
20090626 19:16:13< grzywacz> what's a network card?
20090626 19:16:14< grzywacz> ....
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20090626 19:16:37< pf2222> ?
20090626 19:16:42< Woodmouse> I don't have a netcork card, I think 
20090626 19:16:46< Woodmouse> *network
20090626 19:16:59< Woodmouse> netbork! :D
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20090626 19:17:39< Woodmouse> oh teh noes, I need to go afk for a while. I'll be back soon.
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20090626 19:31:16< pf2222> I would still like to know what a network card is
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20090626 19:32:11< shadowmaster> go to www.google.com, type "network card" in the box, and press "I'm Feeling Lucky"
20090626 19:33:19< pf2222> which took me to wikipedia which I already looked at but it didn't help me much
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20090626 19:38:48< shadowmaster> http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_card
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20090626 19:41:17< pf2222> ooh, simple wikipedia
20090626 19:47:56< pf2222> simple wikipedia seems to be for little kids and people like that
20090626 19:47:59< pf2222> it's simpole
20090626 19:48:01< pf2222> *simple
20090626 19:50:40< Vornicus> That's some big words for simple english.
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20090626 21:26:32< MikeJB> I love the Wilderlands
20090626 21:27:01< MikeJB> just the point, mid game, where you have a battle line that spans the entire length of the large map... it's like playing 3 or so games at once
20090626 21:27:35< MikeJB> I could see an interesting 2v2 on this map, if anyone's interested
20090626 21:28:02< MikeJB> though monsters add to the fun in single player, they'd be disabled for a more "fair" game (though if you know they're coming, all they are is free xp)
20090626 21:28:23< MikeJB> perhaps Age of Heroes, 300g or so, but I play AoH just for more challenging AI. the only lvl 2s I recruit are the healers
20090626 21:28:42< MikeJB> if anyone's interested, 1.6 or 1.7 (preferably the latter, but I realize most people do 1.6)
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20090626 22:18:32< pf2222> http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/6922/dustbunny.png
20090626 22:18:39< pf2222> ^It's a dust bunny
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20090626 22:20:44< Polarina> :)
20090626 22:21:06< Blueblaze> oh
20090626 22:21:21< Blueblaze> It looks quite cute
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20090626 22:43:52< Woodmouse> Why can't UtBS Shamans heal? :o
20090626 22:44:01< amnay> HiHI Woodmouse !
20090626 22:44:22< amnay> what s up about swamp dwarves
20090626 22:44:38< Woodmouse> I haven't worked on them today
20090626 22:44:48< Woodmouse> but I'll continue tomorrow
20090626 22:44:58< amnay> I look forward to it
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20090626 22:45:08< Woodmouse> but anyway, why can't UtBS Shamans heal!? D: They used to heal, right?
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20090626 22:47:21< amnay> painkillers
20090626 22:48:43< Unnheulu> lol
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20090626 22:56:27< pf2222> UtVS?
20090626 22:56:31< pf2222> *UtBS
20090626 22:56:37< MikeJB>  Under the Burning Suns
20090626 22:56:43< pf2222> oh
20090626 22:56:44< MikeJB> acronyms are often used for campaigns
20090626 22:56:54< MikeJB> except Liberty, because you can't have an acronym for just "L"
20090626 22:56:56< MikeJB> :P
20090626 22:57:12< pf2222> Liberty's short enough anyway
20090626 22:57:22< MikeJB> Liberty was fun
20090626 22:57:38< pf2222> It's not like it's called Supercalifragilisticexpialidocuis or something like that
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20090626 22:57:49< MikeJB> I probably only *finished* about half of mainline campaigns, the ones I really liked
20090626 22:58:10< MikeJB> most of those were the short(er) and more unique ones: Liberty, Sceptre of Fire, Descent into Darkness, etc.
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20090626 22:58:55< pf2222> I did a few and then a few I did with debug mode and a few I did with debug mode but probably never ended up finishing them anyway
20090626 23:01:19< MikeJB> 9, 10, or 11 seems to be the "sweet spot" when it comes to campaigns I actually enjoyed/finished
20090626 23:01:35< MikeJB> and probably somewhere around there is where I got bored with the rest, no offense to those developers
20090626 23:01:52< MikeJB> one of the things I guess is that the epic ones give you "too many options" when it comes to units
20090626 23:03:55< MikeJB> If your units span 3+ MP factions, odds are the unit roles overlap as well
20090626 23:06:24< MikeJB> another is repetition
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20090626 23:19:34< Woodmouse> If I make a campaign, is there any chance it to get mainine?
20090626 23:19:36< Woodmouse> *mainline
20090626 23:19:41< MikeJB> Yes,
20090626 23:19:47-!- MikeJB is now known as Aethaeryn
20090626 23:20:00< Aethaeryn> When I started playing back in 1.2, there were 6 campaigns
20090626 23:20:03< Aethaeryn> now there's 14-15
20090626 23:20:07< Woodmouse> ok
20090626 23:20:20< Aethaeryn> all except one (THoT, which was designed by esr specifically to be mainline) started as UMC, iirc
20090626 23:20:36< Woodmouse> I'm thinking of making a campaign. xD
20090626 23:20:39< Aethaeryn> (and even THoT was beta'd in add-ons)
20090626 23:20:45< Turuk> Yup, it's just that easy.
20090626 23:21:16< Aethaeryn> Of course, it needs to be good and in line with canon.
20090626 23:21:33< Aethaeryn> Then again, I never thought LoW would be mainlined. I thought too many developers had issues with it.
20090626 23:22:23< Turuk> Cough cough
20090626 23:22:57< Woodmouse> hmm, well, if I make a campaign about Desert Elves, that try to get some ancient artifact from an ancient dungeon, would it be a good idea?
20090626 23:23:28< Aethaeryn> Well, my advice is to not make a campaign for the specific purpose to be mainlined.
20090626 23:24:25< Aethaeryn> If it's really good and a developer likes it, they'll add it.
20090626 23:24:51< Woodmouse> ok
20090626 23:25:00< Aethaeryn> But look at Imperial Era (and the new eras they spun off of it). They make campaigns all the time, and they're probably good (only played one).
20090626 23:25:06< shadowmaster> *COUGH*
20090626 23:25:19< shadowmaster> wrong channel
20090626 23:25:48< Aethaeryn> But yeah, I'd say go to #Wesnoth-umc-dev :P
20090626 23:25:56< Turuk> Mass quantity=mass quality? Hmm...
20090626 23:26:13< Aethaeryn> Anyway, my point is IE will probably never have a mainlined campaign...
20090626 23:26:18< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: what?!
20090626 23:26:26< Aethaeryn> eh
20090626 23:26:30< Aethaeryn> my opinion anyway
20090626 23:26:34< Aethaeryn> observation really.
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20090626 23:26:52< Aethaeryn> whatever
20090626 23:27:01< Aethaeryn> nevermind about all of this.
20090626 23:27:14< Aethaeryn> obviously the amount of coughs means I'm missing something in the few months I didn't play
20090626 23:27:27< Aethaeryn> :P
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20090626 23:27:42< Turuk> Cough cough
20090626 23:27:58< Turuk> Cough cough cough cough?
20090626 23:28:01< pf2222> Somebody has a bad cough today
20090626 23:28:13< shadowmaster> Turuk: cough
20090626 23:28:21< Aethaeryn> Woodmouse: just make a campaign for fun/practice
20090626 23:28:31< Woodmouse> yea, I'll do that.
20090626 23:28:33< Woodmouse> xD
20090626 23:28:33< pf2222> Coughspeak?
20090626 23:28:43< Aethaeryn> damn, I don't speak "cough"
20090626 23:28:49< Aethaeryn> and I don't want to catch pig flu from you guys
20090626 23:29:20< pf2222> If they had the swine flu they'd be oinking
20090626 23:29:22< Aethaeryn> Woodmouse: and I'll refrain from examples/specifics in order to refrain from backtracking
20090626 23:29:28< Aethaeryn> Woodmouse: good luck
20090626 23:29:35< Woodmouse> ok
20090626 23:29:41< Woodmouse> thanks for gooding luck
20090626 23:29:46< Woodmouse> (or something)
20090626 23:30:09< pf2222> good lucky
20090626 23:31:23< pf2222> I want to make a campaign now too.. xD
20090626 23:31:33< pf2222> I don't know how though. :/
20090626 23:31:47< Woodmouse> So, do I talk about campaign things in #wesnoth-umc-dev ?
20090626 23:32:03< Aethaeryn> Honestly, idk
20090626 23:32:18< Aethaeryn> there's one too many #wesnoth- channels for me to know
20090626 23:32:27< Woodmouse> ok
20090626 23:32:55< shadowmaster> there are also #wesnoth-umc-dev-admins, #wesnoth-umc-dev-403 :P
20090626 23:33:34< Aethaeryn> damn this umc thing
20090626 23:33:40< Aethaeryn> every damn time I type "umbc"
20090626 23:33:45< Aethaeryn> (the university I go to)
20090626 23:33:47< Aethaeryn> every damn time
20090626 23:33:55< shadowmaster> Woodmouse: http://wesnoth-umc-dev.ai0867.net
20090626 23:34:01< Woodmouse> :o
20090626 23:34:05< Woodmouse> what's that?
20090626 23:34:05< shadowmaster> that should tell you what it is about
20090626 23:34:09< Aethaeryn> dammit, I did it again XD
20090626 23:34:32< pf2222> umc?
20090626 23:34:37< shadowmaster> user made content
20090626 23:34:39< Aethaeryn> user-made-content
20090626 23:34:40< Aethaeryn> damn
20090626 23:34:40< shadowmaster> e.g. campaigns, eras, etc.
20090626 23:34:44< Aethaeryn> yeah
20090626 23:35:03< Aethaeryn> stuff you find on the add-ons server basically
20090626 23:35:17< Woodmouse> so, basically, I should ask advice for the campaign, and for what to do with it in #wesnoth-umc-dev ?
20090626 23:35:22< shadowmaster> no
20090626 23:35:36< shadowmaster> Wesnoth-UMC-Dev is a separate project that cooperates with the Wesnoth project in the development of add-ons that are in the Wesnoth-UMC-Dev Subversion repository
20090626 23:35:42< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster = leader of #Wesnoth-umc-dev iirc
20090626 23:35:54< Woodmouse> ohhh
20090626 23:35:55< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: AI0867 and me are admins. Espreon and Turuk , half-admins. The topic says
20090626 23:36:07< shadowmaster> I am the founder.
20090626 23:36:19< Soliton> is that like a halfling?
20090626 23:36:20< Aethaeryn> yes, I was going to add about AI considering the website was is on AI's website
20090626 23:36:22< shadowmaster> you weren't around by the time AI0867 became my right-hand man and later admin
20090626 23:36:56< shadowmaster> Soliton: like a "half-op", actually.
20090626 23:37:00< Aethaeryn> I tend to leave without warning when I do leave from some place
20090626 23:37:07 * shadowmaster leaves it there for research
20090626 23:37:15< Aethaeryn> it's a thing I've observed in every game community I've been really involved in
20090626 23:37:34< Aethaeryn> I guess I'm not big on goodbye threads (temporary or permanent)
20090626 23:38:33< Woodmouse> hmmm, would the campaign be boring if the main character would want the desert elves to go in some ancient dungeon, because there is an ancient book of evil, which the main character hides from the other desert elves, but wants it, and then they leave in the dungeon, and in the end, the main character takes the book, becomes a lich and needs to kill all the other desert elves that came with him?
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20090626 23:38:53< Aethaeryn> Woodmouse: why desert elves?
20090626 23:38:58< Woodmouse> hmmm
20090626 23:38:58< Aethaeryn> swamp elves are cooler
20090626 23:39:03< Woodmouse> where are they?
20090626 23:39:03< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: they are dead
20090626 23:39:04< Turuk> Unless the user is super major uber important
20090626 23:39:08< Turuk> I don't see the point of a goodbye thread
20090626 23:39:14< Aethaeryn> Woodmouse: color the desert elves gray
20090626 23:39:15< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: the author disappeared and the add-on got destroyed for containing an .EXE file
20090626 23:39:23< Aethaeryn> Turuk: I agree. I see them ego-inflating (or deflating if no one replies :P)
20090626 23:39:25< shadowmaster> I am not joking about it this time.
20090626 23:39:38< Aethaeryn> O.o
20090626 23:39:46< Aethaeryn> I missed too much
20090626 23:39:53< shadowmaster> the author could have reuploaded it, but he never did.
20090626 23:40:01< Woodmouse> I'll use normal Forest Elves, then?
20090626 23:40:05< Aethaeryn> Even when I am too busy with RL/other games, I *will* have to make time to lurk forums/IRC from time to time
20090626 23:40:09< Aethaeryn> there's just too much stuff here
20090626 23:40:22< shadowmaster> Woodmouse: does it matter? you'll most likely never finish it anyway
20090626 23:40:30< Turuk> Though I will bite my words if I ever have to notify when I leave, though maybe I'll just make the thread and lock it ;)
20090626 23:40:42< Aethaeryn> lol.
20090626 23:40:43< Woodmouse> @Shadowmaster: You're evil. :( I will finish it.
20090626 23:40:59< Aethaeryn> Woodmouse: take over the swamp elves project then
20090626 23:41:06< Aethaeryn> or, as I said, just recolor desert elves grayscale
20090626 23:41:06< Woodmouse> Nooooo
20090626 23:41:10< Aethaeryn> and make their faces tan
20090626 23:41:15< Aethaeryn> then you have swamp elves of your own
20090626 23:41:16< Woodmouse> :/
20090626 23:41:28< Aethaeryn> /s/tan/whatevertheircoloris
20090626 23:41:44< Aethaeryn> lava elves?
20090626 23:41:51< Aethaeryn> make 'em *red*
20090626 23:41:59< Woodmouse> Nah, I'll use normal elves.
20090626 23:42:03< Aethaeryn> oh, okay
20090626 23:42:09< Woodmouse> or Desert Elves
20090626 23:42:15< pf2222> Mountain elves
20090626 23:42:29< pf2222> hmm
20090626 23:42:42< shadowmaster> I am evil. That's some news.
20090626 23:42:47< pf2222> Sorta like your Dwalfs
20090626 23:42:50< Aethaeryn> Woodmouse: I just don't think desert elves are that useful
20090626 23:42:54< Aethaeryn> they're set in the far-future
20090626 23:42:59< Woodmouse> hmmm
20090626 23:43:14< Aethaeryn> what you need is far-far-future elves
20090626 23:43:21< Aethaeryn> what are post-desert elves looking like?
20090626 23:43:21< Woodmouse> lol
20090626 23:43:37< Woodmouse> I'm making a non-future campaign
20090626 23:43:42< Aethaeryn> alright
20090626 23:44:40< pf2222> Olde Evles
20090626 23:44:44< pf2222> *Elves
20090626 23:45:16< pf2222> Modern Elves
20090626 23:45:23< Woodmouse> :o
20090626 23:45:38< pf2222> Santa's Elves
20090626 23:45:58< Aethaeryn> YES
20090626 23:46:02< Aethaeryn> Santa Elves faction
20090626 23:46:03< pf2222> I remember when 5234 made a santa
20090626 23:46:06< Aethaeryn> I. must. create.
20090626 23:46:07< pf2222> It was evil.
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20090626 23:46:27< pf2222> But he doesn't have it anymore or it doesn't work or something.
20090626 23:46:34< Turuk> Reading this room just makes you dumber.
20090626 23:46:40< Aethaeryn> Yes.
20090626 23:46:40< pf2222> :(
20090626 23:46:46< Woodmouse> :/
20090626 23:46:52< Aethaeryn> You need to adapt a tounge-in-cheek style to this room.
20090626 23:47:02< Woodmouse> lol
20090626 23:47:19 * pf2222 goes and hides in #egoboo and tries not to get dumber
20090626 23:47:25< Aethaeryn> Woodmouse: so, what is your plot?
20090626 23:47:39< Woodmouse> I already said it wen I asked would it be boring
20090626 23:48:03 * Rrenys has a poacher named Aetherraaenyc
20090626 23:48:28< Aethaeryn> Rrenys: Aethaeryn is from the random human name file
20090626 23:48:33< Rrenys> i am aware
20090626 23:48:37< Rrenys> you have said that
20090626 23:48:38< Aethaeryn> It is conceivable that many a dead peasant has had my name
20090626 23:49:03< Woodmouse> it's about an evil elf who wants a book of necromancy, and he and other elves go in ancient dungeons and get the book, then the main char becomes lich and kills everyone
20090626 23:49:18< Aethaeryn> interesting
20090626 23:49:26< Aethaeryn> so it's like DiD, with elves? ;)
20090626 23:49:33< pf2222> DiD?
20090626 23:49:35< Woodmouse> kinda
20090626 23:49:40< Aethaeryn> Descent into Darkness, the necro campaign
20090626 23:49:43< pf2222> Oh
20090626 23:49:54< Aethaeryn> Woodmouse: will there be dragons in these ancient dungeons?
20090626 23:49:58< Woodmouse> maybe
20090626 23:50:00 * pf2222 goes back hiding in #egoboo.
20090626 23:53:03< Rrenys> the nuuby enemy player left, leaving Aetherraaenyc to be consumed by the bottomless eternal void of not being in a game
20090626 23:53:41< Woodmouse> Haa! :D I got an idea: The campaign is the "dawn" of Dark Elves. :) The main character is the one who starts the dark elf race.
20090626 23:53:53< Aethaeryn> Rrenys: damn, the word "consumed" makes me think of the Ooze campaign
20090626 23:54:04< Aethaeryn> most creative campaign ever, hands down
20090626 23:54:14< Rrenys> seeing cib0 makes me think of the ooze campaign
20090626 23:54:17< Aethaeryn> iirc, someone tried to make it MP after it was abandoned
20090626 23:54:19< Aethaeryn> yes
20090626 23:54:20< Aethaeryn> cib0
20090626 23:54:29< Aethaeryn> but its WML was too complicated or something?
20090626 23:54:34< Aethaeryn> I want an Ooze faction
20090626 23:54:47< Aethaeryn> imagine plague on a non-sucky unit
20090626 23:55:05< Woodmouse> @Aethaeryn: Were you sarcastic with the "most creative"?
20090626 23:55:11< Rrenys> o_O why
20090626 23:55:25< Rrenys> it was very creative
20090626 23:55:28< Aethaeryn> It was
20090626 23:55:30< Woodmouse> ok
20090626 23:55:32< Woodmouse> :D
20090626 23:55:42< Woodmouse> hmmm, in what time are Dark Elves in?
20090626 23:55:47< Aethaeryn> The first two scenarios were ABSORB, the 3rd an RPG and the 4th a survival before survivals were really popular
20090626 23:56:04< Aethaeryn> While MP scenarios are often *very* creative, this is the only non-traditional SP campaign I really loved
20090626 23:56:08< cib0> oh, the old ideas being raised again?
20090626 23:56:47< cib0> the 3rd scenario was like 5k lines of non-macro'd events, imagine rewriting that to feature 2p..
20090626 23:56:52< Aethaeryn> Yeah.
20090626 23:57:06< Aethaeryn> It was a good campaign, though...
20090626 23:57:18< Rrenys> yes, you could kill innecent civilians
20090626 23:57:22< Rrenys> and they would turn to ooze
20090626 23:57:25< Aethaeryn> Yes.
20090626 23:57:28< Rrenys> not many campaigns allow that
20090626 23:57:44< Aethaeryn> And I want that in multiplayer. It shouldn't be too hard.
20090626 23:57:51< Aethaeryn> cib0: iirc, you did the art?
20090626 23:57:51< Rrenys> why dont you do it then
20090626 23:58:02< Rrenys> art = recoloring?
20090626 23:58:03< pf2222> Like walking corpses?
20090626 23:58:04< Aethaeryn> Rrenys: I was thinking about it yesterday, but it's always polite to ask permission to use the TC art
20090626 23:58:09< cib0> Aethearyn: me? art? naw, that was someone else.. damn, i forgot his name
20090626 23:58:12< Aethaeryn> damn
20090626 23:58:21< cib0> i did the recolouring scripts
20090626 23:58:23< Aethaeryn> I do remember the "Ooze" was recolored
20090626 23:58:33< Aethaeryn> cib0: that's what I mean, I guess...
20090626 23:58:42 * Woodmouse needs to go. :'(
20090626 23:58:44< cib0> there was also that sweet baby spider
20090626 23:58:48< Woodmouse> Well, I'll be back tomorrow.
20090626 23:58:49< Aethaeryn> Reuse Ooze art, modify the Ooze sprite to make a higher level
20090626 23:58:50< Woodmouse> cya
20090626 23:58:54< Aethaeryn> and yes, it was a sweet baby spider
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20090626 23:59:22< Rrenys> way better spiders are made on the forum at times but nobody animates them
20090626 23:59:36< Rrenys> animation being as boring as it is
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