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20090629 00:08:10-!- shadowmaster changed the topic of #wesnoth to: Wesnoth User Channel | wesnoth.org | http://addons.wesnoth.org | latest stable version: 1.6.3 | latest development version: 1.7.0 | public IRC logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org
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20090629 01:04:37< Aethaeryn> damn the Michael Jackson story is sad.
20090629 01:04:56< Aethaeryn> Young Michael = talented. Old Michael = freak. People of my generation only really knew the latter.
20090629 01:05:08-!- mode/#wesnoth [+o shadowmaster] by ChanServ
20090629 01:05:13< Aethaeryn> But to fall from that high...
20090629 01:05:25-!- mode/#wesnoth [+b-o *!*shikadi@190.22.66.175 shadowmaster] by shadowmaster
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20090629 01:33:33< Aethaeryn> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=26035
20090629 01:33:37< Aethaeryn> This is a really bad month to be famous
20090629 01:35:09< shadowmaster> wtf
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20090629 01:36:44< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: Did I miss any celebrity?
20090629 01:36:47< Aethaeryn> I've been following the news.
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20090629 01:56:00< warren> anyone here using Fedora wesnoth?
20090629 01:57:05< Aethaeryn> Yes.
20090629 01:57:13< Aethaeryn> but I compile myself, so not quite true "Fedora" wesnoth
20090629 01:57:37< warren> Aethaeryn: what version of fedora are you using?
20090629 01:57:44< Aethaeryn> 11
20090629 01:57:53< Aethaeryn> Stayed up to 5am a couple of days ago to update it
20090629 01:57:55< warren> Aethaeryn: could you please test our official wesnoth binaries?
20090629 01:58:35< warren> Aethaeryn: need testers before they are pushed to updates
20090629 01:58:43< warren> Aethaeryn: http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/wesnoth/1.6.3/
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20090629 01:59:32< Aethaeryn> warren: are you the maintainer?
20090629 01:59:39< warren> Aethaeryn: I'm one of the two maintainers
20090629 01:59:53< warren> Aethaeryn: somebody should inform us when wesnoth versions are released so we can rebuild it
20090629 02:00:03< warren> would have done it sooner but nobody told us
20090629 02:00:06< Aethaeryn> Just a curiousity, why so slow?
20090629 02:00:07< Aethaeryn> oh.
20090629 02:00:30< Aethaeryn> I always prefer the unstable branch for Wesnoth anyway, but I can tell you.
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20090629 02:00:55< Aethaeryn> Not sure if I can test it though, would screw up the compiles I have... 
20090629 02:01:06< Aethaeryn> I have Wesnoth installed 3x - 1.6.3, 1.7.0, and 1.7.0+ svn
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20090629 02:14:01< Guest46420> har har, I joined #wesnoth-umc-dev-403 instead of #wesnoth-umc-dev-admins :/
20090629 02:14:11< Guest46420> and it seems I'm not identified
20090629 02:14:21< warren> anyone know how to register your nick in wesnoth?
20090629 02:14:39< Aethaeryn> warren: the forums
20090629 02:14:39< Guest46420> warren: do you mean, MP server nick?
20090629 02:14:43< Aethaeryn> iirc
20090629 02:14:44< warren> Guest46420: yes
20090629 02:14:46< warren> Aethaeryn: where?
20090629 02:14:50< warren> I'm in the forums
20090629 02:14:51< Guest46420> froum.wesnoth.org
20090629 02:14:51< Aethaeryn> I never registered my link but it's linked to my forum password when I tried
20090629 02:14:52< warren> I don't see it
20090629 02:14:54< Guest46420> forum.
20090629 02:14:58< warren> oh
20090629 02:15:02< warren> my username in the forum must match?
20090629 02:15:07< Guest46420> yes
20090629 02:15:10< warren> damn
20090629 02:15:14< warren> can I change my forum username?
20090629 02:15:50< Aethaeryn> warren: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/ucp.php?mode=register
20090629 02:15:56< Guest46420> no, but I can help you if it's an approrpiate choice
20090629 02:15:57< Aethaeryn> it's in the upper left
20090629 02:16:01< Aethaeryn> oh
20090629 02:16:03< warren> Guest46420: yes please
20090629 02:16:12< warren> Guest46420: I have played with the name "warren" for years
20090629 02:16:32< Aethaeryn> warren: You can still use separate names for IRC and forums...
20090629 02:16:53< Aethaeryn> I use Aethaeryn (a name from the name file in Wesnoth, actually) for Wesnoth, but on freenode I frequently go by MikeJB
20090629 02:17:07< Guest46420> Aethaeryn: this is not about IRC
20090629 02:17:12< Aethaeryn> oh
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20090629 02:17:24< shadowmaster_rly> I am shadowmaster btw
20090629 02:17:25< Aethaeryn> not quite sure what warren means, then.
20090629 02:17:27< warren> hi
20090629 02:17:45< warren> shadowmaster_rly: I have no idea who shadowmaster is, but I guess you're a dev
20090629 02:17:58< Aethaeryn> yes
20090629 02:18:03< warren> shadowmaster_rly: could somebody please e-mail us when there are new wesnoth releases?  we would build them faster if we only knew.
20090629 02:18:32< shadowmaster_rly> warren: I beleive there's a mailing list for release announcements, which our admin is no longer using due to laziness :)
20090629 02:18:54< shadowmaster_rly> I'll trasnmit your request to him
20090629 02:20:05< warren> shadowmaster_rly: annoying bug in wesnoth since the 1.6.x.  Fedora wesnoth... CTRL-F to go from windowed to fullscreen, sometimes going back into fullscreen the keyboard is completely dead.  Need to quit game and run it again to recover.  Is this a known bug?
20090629 02:20:44< shadowmaster_rly> warren: I don't think so. Feel free to report it. Check http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/ReportingBugs
20090629 02:20:51< Aethaeryn> warren: I've never experienced that...
20090629 02:20:54< shadowmaster_rly> your account has been renamed to 'warren' 
20090629 02:20:57< Aethaeryn> I use 1.6.3 compiled.
20090629 02:21:12< Aethaeryn> But it should in theory be the same thing since it's the same OS.
20090629 02:21:13< warren> it is some input focus bug
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20090629 02:21:21< warren> hmm
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20090629 02:21:31< warren> I'm guessing it might have something to do with input methods interfering
20090629 02:21:47< shadowmaster> warren: ^ I renamed your account
20090629 02:21:50< warren> shadowmaster: thanks
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20090629 02:27:32< warren> crap
20090629 02:27:36< warren> i reproduced the keyboard fail
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20090629 02:28:14< warren> ahhh
20090629 02:28:20< warren> input method are indeed involved
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20090629 02:30:28< warren> hm
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20090629 02:30:42< warren> wesnoth needs to send a signal to forcefully turn off IM if you ctrl-F
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20090629 02:36:13< warren> oh boy, wesnoth just segfaulted
20090629 02:36:23< warren> that isn't going to be easy to reproduce
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20090629 02:36:46< warren> no time to work on this now
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20090629 08:03:32< Aethaeryn> Turuk: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=25525 <- forgive me for not reading 8 pages, but did anyone from 4chan ever come?
20090629 08:03:43< Aethaeryn> I figure if they did, you'd know.
20090629 08:03:43< Turuk> Not that I'm aware of
20090629 08:04:13< Aethaeryn> eh, good
20090629 08:04:20< Aethaeryn> they never leave well from a game
20090629 08:04:29< Aethaeryn> and I don't think they'd fit in our community
20090629 08:04:49< Aethaeryn> (if it were an invasion, not a few people)
20090629 08:05:29< Turuk> I don't know that they could invade that well
20090629 08:05:47< Turuk> With the exception of off-topic, most of the forum is set up for game relevant discussion, and not just idle chatter
20090629 08:05:52< Turuk> Which they are most skilled at
20090629 08:05:54< Aethaeryn> Well, I was a mod on a game where they did have a large presence that eventually joined.
20090629 08:06:08< Aethaeryn> Iirc (after my time, really), when they left, they took out the forums.
20090629 08:06:21< Aethaeryn> (At least for a short amount of time.)
20090629 08:06:51< Aethaeryn> Might've been a different #chan though
20090629 08:06:56< Turuk> Bring it
20090629 08:07:03< Turuk> I'll ready the banhammer
20090629 08:08:19< Aethaeryn> Iirc, the game had really relaxed moderators and rules... a few groups from large, popular off-site forums (not just them) shaked it up a lot.
20090629 08:08:22< Aethaeryn> A lot.
20090629 08:08:47< Aethaeryn> Quite honestly, I don't want Wesnoth "invaded" by any sizeable group.
20090629 08:09:02< Aethaeryn> After one or two, it ruins the whole original feel.
20090629 08:09:03< Turuk> Neither do I, but I like to crush hopes and dreams
20090629 08:09:09< Turuk> Or young egos.
20090629 08:14:57< Aethaeryn> Good thing trolls don't have impact resistance.
20090629 08:15:44< Turuk> Pssh.
20090629 08:15:58< Turuk> I'm unstoppable.
20090629 08:21:31< Aethaeryn> Turuk: berserk trait?
20090629 08:22:10< Turuk> Indeed, and charge
20090629 08:22:16< Turuk> With no retaliation
20090629 08:22:45< Aethaeryn> Turuk: your own attack range?
20090629 08:22:51< Aethaeryn> That's just cruel and unusual.
20090629 08:22:56< Turuk> It's necessary
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20090629 08:57:28< testing_xyz> hi there 
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20090629 09:07:52< testing_xyz> can someone tell me where the save games are located 
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20090629 09:16:51< zookeeper> http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/EditingWesnoth#Where_is_my_user_data_directory.3F
20090629 09:17:02< zookeeper> userdata/saves/
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20090629 09:37:54< testing_xyz> i don't have userdata folder 
20090629 09:38:05< testing_xyz> i am with windows xp
20090629 09:38:30< Blueblaze> testing_xyz: c:\Program Files\Wesnoth\userdata 
20090629 09:38:50< Blueblaze> or
20090629 09:38:51< Blueblaze> MyDocuments\My Games\Wesnoth1.6
20090629 09:38:51< testing_xyz> nope , no saves there, 
20090629 09:39:35< testing_xyz> myDocuments\My Games\Wesnoth1.6 
20090629 09:39:40< testing_xyz> there are there
20090629 09:39:43< testing_xyz> tnx
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20090629 09:42:03< Ivanovic> moin
20090629 09:45:50< testing_xyz> i can't find my newly downloaded maps and factions in c:\program files\wesnoth\data\ do you have any idea where they are located ?
20090629 09:53:28< zookeeper> in userdata
20090629 09:55:12< Blueblaze> MyDocuments\My Games\Wesnoth1.6
20090629 09:57:15< testing_xyz> i know this sounds stupid, but where is userdata ? i have a folder called data in c:\P_F\wesnoth1.6\ , MyDocs\My Games\Wesnoth1.6 ...oh! i find it 
20090629 09:57:35< testing_xyz> i mean i've fouded it 
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20090629 10:01:46< zookeeper> you know, i gave you that link already which tells you.
20090629 10:05:35< testing_xyz> yep you gave me the link i know 
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20090629 10:15:03< Woodmouse> hi
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20090629 11:03:27< Woodmouse> Hääääh? :o Instead of "campaigns" there is "addons" in 1.7.0, in userdata. :o Does this mean that addons need to be changed? I mean... If I have an addon that works in 1.6.3, it won't work in 1.7.0?
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20090629 11:05:51< Woodmouse> :()
20090629 11:05:55< testing_xyz> ...
20090629 11:06:39< testing_xyz> yep 
20090629 11:06:46< testing_xyz> they need to be changed 
20090629 11:08:09< Woodmouse> ok... :o
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20090629 11:08:43< Woodmouse> Hmm, I hope the name "Frozen Empire" isn't already taken for some addon?
20090629 11:08:58< Woodmouse> because I'm making a scenario and that would be a cool name for it xD
20090629 11:12:40< testing_xyz> wth ?
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20090629 11:18:10< lch_> hello
20090629 11:18:40< lch_> any forum administrators for the Wesnoth forums here? or ideas who I should contact, and how?
20090629 11:25:30< lch_> nevermind
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20090629 11:59:24< Woodmouse> EEEEEEE
20090629 11:59:31< Woodmouse> Where do single scenarios go?
20090629 11:59:42< Woodmouse> The one I made isn't in multiplayer or in campaigns
20090629 12:00:25< Woodmouse> I NEED TO GOOOOO!!!! :'(
20090629 12:00:27< Woodmouse> well, bye
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20090629 15:29:13< JorritAfk> Hi, I have a question about campaign development.
20090629 15:29:41< JorritAfk> Is it possible to enable some kind of cheat modes so that I can (for example) increase my money or do other debugging stuff for speeding up campaign development?
20090629 15:29:52< JorritAfk> Or even teleporting units to certain spots on the map.
20090629 15:32:34< Soliton> :debug
20090629 15:32:48< JorritAfk> :debug? What is that?
20090629 15:33:23< Soliton> help -> commands
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20090629 15:35:03< JorritAfk> ah thanks
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20090629 16:14:10< Ivanovic> hi
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20090629 16:21:37< JorritAfk> Hmm. I created a macro like this: http://pastebin.com/m201b2b92
20090629 16:21:52< JorritAfk> But when it is executed I get the error that the restored unit has no 'type'.
20090629 16:22:02< JorritAfk> But type is set to Dwarvish Fighter so I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong.
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20090629 16:23:18< JorritAfk> ah oops
20090629 16:23:31< JorritAfk> I'm calling the macro with x,y,name instead of name,x,y
20090629 16:23:41< JorritAfk> The error is weird but it is probably confused somewhere.
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20090629 16:29:01< JorritAfk> time to go
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20090629 18:03:41< jorrit> Hi
20090629 18:03:52< jorrit> I have a problem with this macro: http://pastebin.com/m79074885
20090629 18:04:03< jorrit> When I run it with: 	{RELEASE_PRISONER Morgran 39 4}
20090629 18:04:09< jorrit> Battle of Wesnoth says:
20090629 18:04:31< jorrit> load_game_failed: Attempt to de-serialize a unit with no 'type' field (probably empty).
20090629 18:04:31< jorrit> ?
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20090629 18:07:02< jorrit> Anyone?
20090629 18:07:15< jorrit> The 'type' is specified in the unit.
20090629 18:07:22< jorrit> So I don't understand why it says that.
20090629 18:07:25< Soliton> as an aside "name= _ {NAME}" isn't going to work well. you want to mark the actual argument translatable in the macro call.
20090629 18:07:56< jorrit> Like this? {RELEASE_PRISONER _ {Morgran} 39 4}?
20090629 18:08:24< jorrit> But then I need an extra parameter for the ID and I had hoped to avoid that.
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20090629 18:09:17< Soliton> _"Morgan"
20090629 18:10:27< jorrit> ok
20090629 18:10:28< Soliton> since no unit is de-serialized in that macro it's not the cause of that error.
20090629 18:10:44< jorrit> Well there is nothing else.
20090629 18:10:48< jorrit> The scenario is very simple.
20090629 18:10:55< jorrit> And the error occurs exactly when that macro is executed.
20090629 18:11:00< jorrit> i.e. when a prisoner is released.
20090629 18:11:09< jorrit> I'll show you the event:
20090629 18:11:27< jorrit> http://pastebin.com/mefca94e
20090629 18:12:03< Soliton> replace [unit] with the correct tag.
20090629 18:12:05< jorrit> I have nothing else in the scenario that would deserialize units (I don't even know what it means).
20090629 18:12:09< jorrit> hmm?
20090629 18:12:15< jorrit> What is the correct tag?
20090629 18:12:22< jorrit> oops
20090629 18:12:25< Soliton> [message] i suppose.
20090629 18:12:32< jorrit> That's a stupid mistake!
20090629 18:12:40< Soliton> agreed.
20090629 18:12:52< jorrit> Aha, someone finally agrees with me :-)
20090629 18:13:27< Soliton> i suppose it'd help if the unit was printed with that error.
20090629 18:13:40< Soliton> i'm not sure i committed that change.
20090629 18:13:45< jorrit> Or even a line number would be great.
20090629 18:13:51< jorrit> Now I have to guess.
20090629 18:13:56< Soliton> that's not really possible.
20090629 18:14:01< jorrit> Why not?
20090629 18:14:17< Soliton> the code that creates the unt has no idea about that.
20090629 18:14:55< Soliton> i doubt any runtime error gives you line numbers.
20090629 18:15:13< jorrit> Well python does :-)
20090629 18:15:18< jorrit> But that's an interpreted language.
20090629 18:15:24< jorrit> On the other hand I suppose WML is interpreted as well?
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20090629 18:18:14< Vornicus> Runtime errors in most interpreted languages give line numbers.
20090629 18:18:35< Soliton> i didn't mean to say it's impossible. but the way things work currently would need major changes.
20090629 18:18:49< Soliton> also, i'm not sure what interpreted has to do with it.
20090629 18:19:30< Vornicus> And indeed many compiled languages can do it too - but often you need to turn on debug symbols when compiling.
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20090629 18:36:32< jorrit> Ok, thanks a lot for the help. I'm going again :-)
20090629 18:36:33< jorrit> cu
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20090629 18:43:09< Jykten> hi
20090629 18:43:18< Jykten> I have a login problem on the forum
20090629 18:43:50< Jykten> Could someone help me  ?
20090629 18:44:00< Soliton> maybe.
20090629 18:44:18< Jykten> It never finds my account
20090629 18:44:29< Jykten> tells me that it is wrong
20090629 18:44:34< Jykten> or wrong pwd
20090629 18:44:52< Jykten> but, when I want it to send my informations in a mail
20090629 18:44:58< Jykten> it doesn't find accout 
20090629 18:45:01< Jykten> account*
20090629 18:45:20< Jykten> forum account name : Demystificator
20090629 18:45:27< Jykten> I created it a long time ago
20090629 18:46:12< Jykten> and posted with it (the search function found my posts)
20090629 18:46:29< Jykten> So ?
20090629 18:46:37< Jykten> Has someone some mail adress
20090629 18:46:52< Jykten> some admin mail, in order to try to solve my problem ?
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20090629 18:47:42< testing_xyz> try at 
20090629 18:47:49< testing_xyz> admin@wesnoth.org
20090629 18:48:03< Jykten> ty, i gonna send us a mail
20090629 18:48:17< testing_xyz> wth ?
20090629 18:48:23< Soliton> the account name is correct.
20090629 18:48:23< testing_xyz> are you joking ?
20090629 18:48:45< Jykten> send them*
20090629 18:48:47< Jykten> yeah
20090629 18:49:03< Jykten> the account name is correct
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20090629 18:49:11< Soliton> did you register an email address so you can use the password recovery function?
20090629 18:49:18< Jykten> yeah
20090629 18:49:21< testing_xyz> i don't understand 
20090629 18:49:24< Jykten> but it doesn't find
20090629 18:49:30< Jykten> nor my adress
20090629 18:49:36< Jykten> nor my name -.-
20090629 18:49:49< Turuk> SIgh
20090629 18:49:50< Turuk> What now?
20090629 18:49:59< Jykten> so, I can't recover my password
20090629 18:50:02< Soliton> he lost his password, i guess.
20090629 18:50:07< Jykten> yeah
20090629 18:50:11< Turuk> Okay
20090629 18:50:12< Jykten> and I can't recover it :s
20090629 18:50:38< testing_xyz> ...:s
20090629 18:50:56< testing_xyz> am i the only one who don't understand anything ?
20090629 18:50:59< Turuk> I will change your password
20090629 18:51:18< Turuk> Try logging into it now
20090629 18:51:26< Soliton> testing_xyz: yes.
20090629 18:52:25< Jykten> Well thanks Turuk
20090629 18:52:31< Turuk> No problem
20090629 18:52:34< testing_xyz> did it work ?
20090629 18:52:40< Jykten> yes it did
20090629 18:55:50< Jykten> mouhaha gonna on multiplayers games
20090629 18:55:54< Jykten> ty once more
20090629 18:55:58< Jykten> cya
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20090629 19:37:40< Fuinur> Is it quiet here because Aethaeryn is not here?
20090629 19:38:11< Fuinur> A is the one who usually talks here.
20090629 19:41:38< Tomsik> It's always quiet here
20090629 19:42:59< grzywacz> not really, but spamers are gone for the time being
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20090629 22:11:37< Aethaeryn> Rrenys: Uploaded.
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20090629 23:42:01< Rodigas> hi, i am playing a map for myself and i am at a point, i try to recuit and the game crash .. what should i do to report this bug?
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20090629 23:44:29< Soliton> make a report and attach a savegame to reproduce.
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20090629 23:53:10< crimson_penguin> Aethaeryn: pretty sure I've talked to you on here before
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