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20090630 01:12:45< Zarel> Hey guys!
20090630 01:13:34< Zarel> One thing I've been wondering - why haven't the forums been upgraded to phpBB3? Style compatibility doesn't seem to be an issue since it looks like normal subsilver, and I don't see any mods, either.
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20090630 01:21:09< Rrenys> they have?
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20090630 01:23:44< Ivanovic> Zarel: uhm, the forums are phpbb3 for *ages* already
20090630 01:24:10< Zarel> Really? It feels like phpBB2...
20090630 01:24:21< Ivanovic> and don't underestimate the amount of mods we have
20090630 01:24:49< Zarel> So... um, are you using phpBB3 re-skinned to look identical to phpBB2, then?
20090630 01:24:50< Ivanovic> there is quite some stuff IIRC (eg map display to only name one)
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20090630 01:26:19< Ivanovic> we have various styles available
20090630 01:26:42< Ivanovic> subsilver2 (default), prosilver, wowgold and wesnoth
20090630 01:27:28< Zarel> Ah, that's probably why. I'm used to associating phpBB3 with prosilver.
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20090630 02:45:14 * Rrenys has 50+ thieves
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20090630 03:43:39< Aethaeryn> Rrenys, crimson_penguin: I made some changes and added the shock trooper
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20090630 03:45:40< crimson_penguin> cool
20090630 03:47:03< Rrenys> im busy with a game where ive recruited 86 thieves so far, if you were suggesting another game
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20090630 04:14:18< Aethaeryn> crimson_penguin: I found the source of the bug
20090630 04:14:39< Aethaeryn> crimson_penguin: when I make the character male, it has the right name. When it's female, its name changes. The same thing for the combat mage.
20090630 04:16:01< crimson_penguin> Ahh
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20090630 04:21:52< keb> "The game now supports desktop notifications. They are enabled at configure time if the build system detects the availability of gtkmm and libnotifymm."
20090630 04:22:08< keb> anyone know what is desktop notifications?
20090630 04:22:35< keb> it looks like it might be vaguely annoying, like biff
20090630 04:28:18< Rrenys> i dont know, but id guess eg the game starts flashing on the taskbar when your turn comes
20090630 04:28:49< keb> so its only useful in multiplayer
20090630 04:29:13< keb> it would be nice if it spoke to you in your own language or in elven
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20090630 04:31:42< Rrenys> Most strategy games do have genuine human sound recordings; if wesnoth could get ones that dont sound too silly (as they almost always do) i suppose it would be great too
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20090630 04:41:06< keb> need decent voice actors, not geeks, to do them ;)
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20090630 05:00:30< keb> lol the cmake build goes from 0% to 81% and then takes a loooong time between each % increase
20090630 05:00:44< keb> *goes suddenly
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20090630 06:15:43< keb> argh. i just finished make, and now "sudo make install" is creating the mo files again.
20090630 06:16:21< keb> this explains why i can't delete the build directory without sudo
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20090630 09:07:11< jorrit> Hi
20090630 09:07:18< jorrit> Can you use [if] statements inside a [unit]?
20090630 09:07:33< jorrit> I want to have an optional {IS_HERO} controlled by a parameter to a macro.
20090630 09:07:38< jorrit> So I would like to do something like:
20090630 09:07:40< jorrit> [unit]
20090630 09:07:41< jorrit>   ...
20090630 09:07:49< jorrit>   [if] ... HERO
20090630 09:07:52< jorrit>     [then]
20090630 09:07:55< jorrit>       {IS_HERO}
20090630 09:30:54< Ivanovic> moin
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20090630 11:18:59< testing_xyz> hi
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20090630 11:19:10< testing_xyz> bug in primeevil era ?
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20090630 11:27:15< Ivanovic> usermade stuff either belongs into the forums or, if the dev is there (and only then!) to #wesnoth-umc-dev
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20090630 14:03:01< JorritAfk> Is it possible to have a side only become visible/active after some event takes place? i.e. the side donjon is there but only when the players arrive at some spot on the map I want the boss to appear and start recruitinng.
20090630 14:06:08< Soliton> the side has to be there from the start but it doesn't need to have any units.
20090630 14:06:26< JorritAfk> But how can I stop the boss from being visible and from recruiting?
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20090630 14:10:47< Soliton> as to your previous question... just give the IS_HERO macro as that parameter... no need for [if]s.
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20090630 14:11:43< JorritAfk> Thanks
20090630 14:15:16< JorritAfk> Soliton: about my 'delayed action' question. What's the best way to get that information?
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20090630 14:16:48< Soliton> JorritAfk: what question was that? what information?
20090630 14:17:12< JorritAfk> Well, how to stop an emeny leader from being visible and recruiting.
20090630 14:17:15< JorritAfk> My question above.
20090630 14:19:02< cerusan> source code
20090630 14:19:23< JorritAfk> cerusan: ?
20090630 14:19:54< Soliton> well, don't create him or store him at the start or something.
20090630 14:20:23< JorritAfk> hmm yes, storing him at the start might work.
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20090630 20:47:34 * Aethaeryn pokes thespaceinvader 
20090630 20:47:56< thespaceinvader> why poking?
20090630 20:48:41< keb> fun?
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20090630 20:49:51< Aethaeryn> thespaceinvader: http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/User:Aethaeryn#Wiki_Pages
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20090630 20:50:16< Aethaeryn> thespaceinvader: they aren't updated for 1.6, and I could simply update the links, but what if I included some portraits to make them look better?
20090630 20:50:37< thespaceinvader> fine
20090630 20:50:46< thespaceinvader> you don't really need to ask, you know ;)
20090630 20:50:52< Aethaeryn> well, it's always nice
20090630 20:51:00< Aethaeryn> technically, the art is for use in the game, not the wiki documentation
20090630 20:51:26< Aethaeryn> (speaking of which, I should bring the other documentation up to date in looks, the problem is maintenence)
20090630 20:51:42< thespaceinvader> the wiki's also gpl, i think
20090630 20:52:14< Aethaeryn> yes, iirc I had to make sure it was stated that way in order to "borrow" text from in-game help
20090630 20:52:54< Aethaeryn> thespaceinvader: http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/Dwarves <- this, for example, could use a dwarf or two
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20090630 20:53:04< Aethaeryn> instead of just a tiny little sprite taking up all that potential space in the box
20090630 20:53:17< keb> yeah toss in a dwarf
20090630 20:53:21< keb> if thats allowed
20090630 20:53:29< Aethaeryn> dwarfs are not for tossing
20090630 20:53:34< Aethaeryn> </LotR reference>
20090630 20:53:34< thespaceinvader> indeed
20090630 20:53:37< Aethaeryn> thespaceinvader: is there a place where your portraits are online?
20090630 20:53:49< thespaceinvader> if you want to use one, i'd suggest the Sentinel
20090630 20:53:52< thespaceinvader> svn...
20090630 20:53:54< Aethaeryn> technically, I can get them off the forum (tested it out with something from the Thunderstone art thread) by adding .png after vieewing image
20090630 20:54:03< Aethaeryn> yes, I'll use SVN
20090630 20:54:05< Aethaeryn> that's how I got the units
20090630 20:54:10< keb> are you putting the animated ones in
20090630 20:54:33< thespaceinvader> keb
20090630 20:54:43< thespaceinvader> you are mistaken, there are no animated portraits
20090630 20:54:49< Aethaeryn> the one problem with portraits, and why I probably didn't put them in when I made these pages a year ago for 1.4, is that the art is a bit... lacking in areas.
20090630 20:54:55< Aethaeryn> they really have filled in a lot lately
20090630 20:55:03< keb> oh, portraits not game icons
20090630 20:55:13< thespaceinvader> 'they', Aethaeryn?
20090630 20:55:23< Aethaeryn> they = artists doing portraits 
20090630 20:55:27< thespaceinvader> 'you', surely :P
20090630 20:55:42< Aethaeryn> thespaceinvader: should I ask kitty as well? I know artists and musicians are really... touchy about their work being used without asking.
20090630 20:55:48< thespaceinvader> you should be able to get an exemplar portrait for every major race apart from Nagas at present
20090630 20:56:09< Aethaeryn> want to help me rework the wiki? You know the art more than I do.
20090630 20:56:10< thespaceinvader> probably worthwhile - she might have a preference about which ones to use
20090630 20:56:22< thespaceinvader> not really got time at present
20090630 20:56:26< Aethaeryn> ah, okay
20090630 20:56:28< keb> the whole pount of gpl is there are no conditions attached to making derivative works, except another gpl
20090630 20:56:42< Aethaeryn> keb: yes, but there is such a thing as politeness...
20090630 20:56:50< thespaceinvader> it would be worth you paying attention to the writing forum, thoguh - i think turuk is planning to collate all the material he can get about the various species
20090630 20:56:55< Aethaeryn> for example, I probably would've chosen a different dwarf from the sentinel, but artists are supreme
20090630 20:57:03 * Aethaeryn pokes Turuk 
20090630 20:57:05< thespaceinvader> mm
20090630 20:57:09< keb> you could get creative input, e.g. how to present them best in that context
20090630 20:57:18< thespaceinvader> i wonder if you could set it up to use a rotating image like the front page
20090630 20:57:22< thespaceinvader> that would be awesome
20090630 20:57:36< Aethaeryn> thespaceinvader: I'd probably need to collaborate with a *site* administrator for that
20090630 20:57:43< thespaceinvader> yeah
20090630 20:57:44< Aethaeryn> wiki administration, I can do.
20090630 20:57:45< thespaceinvader> maybe not
20090630 20:57:48< Aethaeryn> images, not so much
20090630 20:57:54< thespaceinvader> yeah
20090630 20:58:05< Aethaeryn> I do not want to slack on my duties, the documentation is really still kind of incomplete
20090630 20:58:12< thespaceinvader> i'll do what i can with the wiki, but i should be focussing on artwork for the summer
20090630 20:58:21< Aethaeryn> yes, focus on the art
20090630 20:58:32< Aethaeryn> Wikipedia as a model, a good wiki needs *lots* of pictures
20090630 20:58:38< Aethaeryn> (where relevant)
20090630 20:58:53< keb> wikipedia pictures are well labeled and have source info
20090630 20:59:23< thespaceinvader> keb: your point being?
20090630 20:59:44< Aethaeryn> image uploads on the wiki were disabled last I checked
20090630 20:59:51< thespaceinvader> all the pictures on the wesnoth wiki would come from the game, in one way or another
20090630 20:59:51< Aethaeryn> and for good reason, saves bandwith
20090630 20:59:54< Aethaeryn> and space
20090630 20:59:55< keb> the pics are there to serve a purpose, not jsut to decorate
20090630 21:00:08< Aethaeryn> keb: yes, and that's why an article on dwarves need a "dwarf"
20090630 21:00:16< keb> agree
20090630 21:00:19< Aethaeryn> I'm not just going to insert the ulfsurker in the SVN page
20090630 21:00:34< Aethaeryn> maybe a screenshot to help explain SVN would work there, though
20090630 21:00:44< keb> its a good opportunity to credit the artists too
20090630 21:00:54< thespaceinvader> Aethaeryn: if you need smaller versions, by the way, give me a poke - you'd be better off asking me to make them so you can have them on transparency
20090630 21:01:04< thespaceinvader> keb: portraits have their credits in svn
20090630 21:01:14< Aethaeryn> thespaceinvader: anything that neatly fits in the infoboxes are good for now...
20090630 21:01:19< keb> yeah but users never see svn
20090630 21:01:24< Aethaeryn> though I may need one or two for the actual article body
20090630 21:02:02< thespaceinvader> mm
20090630 21:02:25< thespaceinvader> you might also want them facing right, rather than left, if the boxes are on the right hand side
20090630 21:02:53< keb> do dwarfs like to face toward or away from humans?
20090630 21:02:55< Rrenys> you mean the opposite?
20090630 21:03:10< Aethaeryn> thespaceinvader: good call
20090630 21:03:35< thespaceinvader> Rrenys: yes, i do
20090630 21:03:45< thespaceinvader> facing towards the text rather than away from it
20090630 21:03:59< Aethaeryn> thespaceinvader: I think we should make the Dwarves and Knalgan Alliance pages as models of what the others should look like, since you recently did the dwarf art iirc
20090630 21:04:07< thespaceinvader> keb: i don't think that they have any particular preference o_O odd question
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20090630 21:04:17< thespaceinvader> mm
20090630 21:04:30< thespaceinvader> the elves have been finished for some time, don't forget, and there is much human art
20090630 21:04:45< Aethaeryn> yes, but I'm not talking to kitty at the moment
20090630 21:04:54< Aethaeryn> I've only ever seen kitty on IRC once
20090630 21:04:59< Rrenys> imo a "group photo" of a couple of various dwarf sprites would fit better than portraits.
20090630 21:05:00< Aethaeryn> it'd be easier to show kitty what a page looks like
20090630 21:05:13< Aethaeryn> Rrenys: maybe for the knalgan page
20090630 21:05:32< Aethaeryn> remember, there's two distinct sets of documentation - the faction and the race
20090630 21:05:35< Rrenys> yes
20090630 21:05:51< Aethaeryn> I do intend to take screenshots where necessary
20090630 21:06:12< Rrenys> i did say "dwarf", not "dwarf&outlaw", so you cannot blame me for confusing that :P
20090630 21:06:49< Aethaeryn> my point is that they don't have to be done in identical style
20090630 21:07:04< Aethaeryn> and if we have a massive amount of portraits, we might as well use them
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20090630 22:31:02< Aethaeryn> Rrenys: Interesting. Someone just PMed me to complement my zombies era. Apparently it has 300 or so downloads now... Never expected much of it.
20090630 22:31:27< Aethaeryn> Rrenys: want to do a game on auction x later?
20090630 22:34:27< Rrenys> ok
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