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20090712 10:49:31< apple_ide> hi. I'm having a hard time playing against drakes effectively.
20090712 10:49:36< apple_ide> anyone got tips?
20090712 11:01:19< Soliton> recruit less woses!
20090712 11:25:55< apple_ide> I didn't recruit ANY wose! :s
20090712 11:26:15< apple_ide> now if you said "less archers!" instead...
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20090712 11:47:09< Soliton> well, that's a good start.
20090712 11:47:44< vjoe> Soliton: start of what?
20090712 11:48:14< Soliton> an effective drake counter.
20090712 11:48:38< vjoe> I didn't see the beginning of the conversation :\
20090712 11:48:56< vjoe> anyway, I haven't played Wesnoth in a while...
20090712 11:49:51< Soliton> aww.
20090712 11:51:43< Soliton> why do people upload a completely untested add-on?
20090712 11:51:57< zookeeper> to grant you the pleasure of deleting it
20090712 11:52:07< Soliton> but i already did!
20090712 11:52:19< vjoe> :D
20090712 11:52:20< zookeeper> did it feel good?
20090712 11:52:27< Soliton> marginally.
20090712 11:52:47< Soliton> i'm not sure a repeat can top that.
20090712 11:54:44< Soliton> nope, didn't feel a thing! :-(
20090712 11:54:54< zookeeper> :|
20090712 11:55:36< apple_ide> Soliton: I think I need more elf fighters too. My archers were slaughtered in droves.
20090712 11:56:12< apple_ide> Drakes move around quickly, have high hp to take hits, mobility to run away when hurt; (or to reinforce)
20090712 11:56:26< Soliton> yeah, indeed.
20090712 11:56:43< apple_ide> If I stick archers and fighters in terrain, which i did, the drakes get to elect when to attack and how to attack me
20090712 11:57:30< apple_ide> the drakes either went around me and got my villages, or waited till day time and drake fighter -> elf archer, drake burner -> elf fighter me to death
20090712 11:57:52< Dragonking> [golden idea] I they hit you, you just have to hit them harder [/golden idea]
20090712 11:58:08< apple_ide> :|
20090712 11:58:40< apple_ide> can I play as drakes vs you as elves so you can demonstrate your tactics?
20090712 11:58:44< Dragonking> Ty leveling up some shamans
20090712 11:59:11< apple_ide> it only takes several hits at day time to bring them down...
20090712 11:59:22< apple_ide> and they're slow
20090712 11:59:30< Dragonking> And they slow down
20090712 11:59:30< apple_ide> so what to do about that?
20090712 11:59:56< apple_ide> I'll try more shamans next time ...
20090712 12:00:01< Dragonking> Not too much
20090712 12:00:02< Dragonking> :)
20090712 12:00:11< grzywacz> Shamans for the win!
20090712 12:00:12< Dragonking> Try attacking during night
20090712 12:00:26< apple_ide> you should've seen my replay...
20090712 12:00:27< Dragonking> Don't wait till they slayghter you during the day
20090712 12:00:40< apple_ide> I attacked my opponent relentlessly in the first half
20090712 12:00:41< Dragonking> Post it somewhere
20090712 12:00:43< apple_ide> ok
20090712 12:00:45< grzywacz> Slowed-down clashers are cute.
20090712 12:01:03< grzywacz> And you're pretty much guaranteed to slow with their defense. :p
20090712 12:01:30< apple_ide> hey... when I finish games it should automatically have replays right
20090712 12:01:42< Dragonking> Uless you disabled them.
20090712 12:01:48< Dragonking> Unless'
20090712 12:02:45< apple_ide> I didn't, but its not there.... does it not create one if I already have one with the same name?
20090712 12:02:52< Soliton> if you played on the official server with observers allowed, yes.
20090712 12:03:19< apple_ide> yes it doesn't create one if I had one with same name already?
20090712 12:03:37< apple_ide> I'll just have to play someone else and lose with elfs vs drakes again ._.
20090712 12:03:40< Soliton> it asks to overwrite but i was talking about server side replays.
20090712 12:03:49< apple_ide> ohh
20090712 12:03:51< apple_ide> oh yeah
20090712 12:03:56< apple_ide> its on the server
20090712 12:04:00< apple_ide> wait up
20090712 12:04:47< apple_ide> - http://wesnoth.org/replays/1.6/20090712/2p_-_Weldyn_Channel_Turn_30_(10751).gz
20090712 12:09:24< apple_ide> yeah
20090712 12:09:29< apple_ide> I got cut up pretty bad
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20090712 12:14:07< Soliton> too offensive for an elf vs drakes IMO.
20090712 12:14:25< Dragonking> Yes
20090712 12:14:56< apple_ide> ok...
20090712 12:15:06< Dragonking> He could easily focus most of his troops at the point you were attaking from
20090712 12:15:24< Dragonking> Als I do not really see a point of getting 2 scouts these
20090712 12:15:27< apple_ide> yeah... I couldn't get any part of him.
20090712 12:15:49< apple_ide> i get scouts so I can move troops to a single point quickly
20090712 12:15:53< Dragonking> And I noticed that you like to put your fish on deep water
20090712 12:16:05< apple_ide> but didn't do it as well as he did.
20090712 12:16:14< grzywacz> You also got dragged out to fight in open field.
20090712 12:16:14< Dragonking> But with should you only harm him, not kill
20090712 12:16:30< Dragonking> You attack, leave unit wounded, attakc another one
20090712 12:16:37< Dragonking> You should focus a boit on killing
20090712 12:16:41< Dragonking> bit'
20090712 12:16:43< apple_ide> ok
20090712 12:17:19< Dragonking> But with scouts you only harm him, not kill  <- correted
20090712 12:17:35< apple_ide> brb... dinner
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20090712 12:20:41< Soliton> and for a prolonged offensive you forgot to take even one shaman with you.
20090712 12:31:40< apple_ide> are shamans for offensives?
20090712 12:32:00< apple_ide> I thought with drake mobility and attack power, shamans get slaughtered
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20090712 12:32:25< apple_ide> and elf fighters arent exactly the sort of meat shields who could protect a shaman effectively
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20090712 12:33:44< grzywacz> shamans are for everything
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20090712 12:34:34< apple_ide> I should've gotten the shaman instead of the useless mage.
20090712 12:34:49< grzywacz> Instead of useless scouts.
20090712 12:35:31< grzywacz> Mage is useful against skirmishers.
20090712 12:35:36< apple_ide> he hardly had one.
20090712 12:35:51< apple_ide> the only saurian he got, I used the mage against it.
20090712 12:36:14< grzywacz> You mean the augur. He had one skirmisher as well.
20090712 12:36:44< apple_ide> yeah.
20090712 12:36:49< apple_ide> oh
20090712 12:36:53< apple_ide> ok
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20090712 12:37:15< apple_ide> want a game?
20090712 12:38:50< grzywacz> 2vs2?
20090712 12:39:22< apple_ide> sounds good
20090712 12:39:28< apple_ide> who else?
20090712 12:39:30< apple_ide> =D
20090712 12:39:34< Dragonking> me
20090712 12:39:40< Dragonking> We need 4th
20090712 12:39:53< apple_ide> hmm noy isn't here. he loves 2v2s.
20090712 12:45:02< grzywacz> Some random other player?
20090712 12:46:10< apple_ide> that could work
20090712 12:46:19< Dragonking> grzywacz: Make?
20090712 12:46:47< grzywacz> Yes.
20090712 12:46:58< grzywacz> Morituri?
20090712 12:46:59< grzywacz> ;-)
20090712 12:47:19< apple_ide> ok
20090712 12:47:46< grzywacz> created
20090712 13:03:59< grzywacz> gg ;>
20090712 13:23:28< apple_ide> gg
20090712 13:23:31< Dragonking> gg
20090712 13:23:36< apple_ide> damn
20090712 13:25:25< grzywacz> You need a better teammate.
20090712 13:25:46< Dragonking> Also walking corpses are not so effective :)
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20090712 13:42:01< apple_ide> yeah :/
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20090712 15:22:48< Soliton> bah, now i removed that darthkarth add-on for the 5th time...
20090712 15:40:26< zookeeper> it's completely broken?
20090712 15:42:04< Soliton> not updated from 1.6 at least. i had to fix quite a bit to make it run just to find one retarded scenario where you get overrun by the enemy...
20090712 15:42:26< zookeeper> cool.
20090712 15:42:40< zookeeper> so who's darth karth?
20090712 15:44:17< Soliton> an inferno drake.
20090712 15:45:35< Soliton> hmm, no it's actually not the name of the leader.
20090712 15:45:39< Soliton> no idea.
20090712 15:46:39< Soliton> ah, the enemy leader of course, a lich.
20090712 15:50:12< zookeeper> awesome.
20090712 15:50:33< Soliton> famous lines of his: "First of all we are here to kill you and second you are not going to kill us" and "Well see about that.  Ataaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!!!!!!!!!!!"
20090712 15:51:20< zookeeper> even more awesome.
20090712 15:52:29< Soliton> i think you can find it on the 1.6 server where you can observe it in its full beauty. on windows it might even work out-of-the-box!
20090712 15:57:25< zookeeper> no thanks, i think.
20090712 15:57:45< Soliton> weird, deleting of that add-on has been requested from a lot of different IPs with an incorrect password.
20090712 15:58:35< grzywacz> Maybe some random people who did give it a try.
20090712 15:59:43< zookeeper> haha
20090712 16:00:38< Soliton> same for a couple of other add-ons but darthkarth is clearly the favourite.
20090712 16:02:48< Soliton> well, actually just also for OneMovePerTurn_Era which might indeed be of equal quality.
20090712 16:03:17< Soliton> nevertheless you'd have to jump through a couple of hoops to make that request... which makes it seem more like a bug.
20090712 16:04:09< Soliton> well, with wesnoth_addon_manager it's simple.
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20090712 17:39:58< apple_ide> hmm a voting system allowing people to rate scenarios would be awesome
20090712 17:40:14< apple_ide> but then I guess number of downloads suffice...
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