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20090711 00:16:46< Soliton> for multiplayer that'd be possible but campaigns have no eras.
20090711 00:22:58< Rrenys> Would it be very hard to list all the used units in a campaign?
20090711 00:23:47 * mordocai actually recently made a post about this issue with his ideas on it... here http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=25757&p=367278#p367278
20090711 00:25:55< Blueblaze> Rrenys: It would be quite idiotic imo
20090711 00:26:25< Blueblaze> For one, it would ruin the story
20090711 00:27:39< Rrenys> I didnt mean listing them for user
20090711 00:27:54< Rrenys> I meant listing them somewhere so that no other units but those would be shown in help at the time
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20090711 00:34:25< Soliton> you can figure out campaign specific units as seen on units.wesnoth.org but figuring out what unit types might be used in an entire campaign is probably not easy.
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20090711 00:58:27< melinath> quick poll: how would you react if the names in the drake clasher line were shuffled around?
20090711 00:58:42< melinath> for example: clasher-slasher-gladiator
20090711 00:58:52< melinath> clasher-warden-enforcer
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20090711 01:01:44< Rrenys> i would never know the difference
20090711 01:02:03< Rrenys> The names dont say much.
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20090711 01:09:23< melinath> hmm. interesting.
20090711 01:10:06< Rrenys> I mean, they all suggest "someone who fights in melee", thats about it
20090711 01:10:25< melinath> warden+enforcer also imply law
20090711 01:10:50< melinath> warden implies more defensive than offensive fighting.
20090711 01:10:57< Rrenys> yep
20090711 01:10:59< Rrenys> but law?
20090711 01:11:10< Rrenys> i dont see how is it relevant to game mechanics
20090711 01:11:10< melinath> enforcer: must enforce something
20090711 01:11:26< melinath> ...it's not relevant to game mechanics.
20090711 01:11:53< melinath> it's relevant to world-building.
20090711 01:12:32< melinath> though in this case, I tend to favor the way it is. I was mostly curious how people would react to a change in the names.
20090711 01:12:37< Rrenys> From world-building it is irrelevant whether the law-guys are more in one or other branch
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20090711 01:14:38< melinath> It's completely relevant. Drake culture is completely different if clashers can break caste to the extent that an entire development branch is dedicated purely to fighting.
20090711 01:15:13< Rrenys> why
20090711 01:15:19< melinath> ?
20090711 01:15:30< melinath> why why?
20090711 01:15:32< Rrenys> Why is it completely different
20090711 01:15:40< melinath> ...
20090711 01:15:53< Rrenys> (,,,) <(o,o)> (,,,)
20090711 01:16:10< melinath> version 1: clashers can break caste and move completely away from their actual duties
20090711 01:16:30< melinath> version 2: clashers can move somewhat away from their actual duties.
20090711 01:16:45< melinath> this doesn't break the Drake caste system.
20090711 01:17:03< Rrenys> how does flippint names between branches change anything
20090711 01:17:05< Rrenys> g*
20090711 01:18:11< melinath> erm. Well, what it would change is that it would imply more version 1 than version 2, i.e. it would imply more a culture without a strong caste system.
20090711 01:18:34< melinath> (combined with the unit descriptions.)
20090711 01:18:48< melinath> (but also alone)
20090711 01:19:00< Rrenys> Caste system? I thought it would remain a rather simple saurians < drakes?
20090711 01:19:10< melinath> not the drake faction
20090711 01:19:13< melinath> the drakes
20090711 01:20:00< melinath> they have a culture...
20090711 01:20:16< Rrenys> Is that caste system documented somewhere
20090711 01:20:21< melinath> yes
20090711 01:20:25< Rrenys> link
20090711 01:20:58< melinath> http://www.wesnoth.org/units/trunk/C/Drake%20Warden.html
20090711 01:21:24< Rrenys> I meant the system as a whole
20090711 01:21:30< melinath> there's no central documentation, I don't think, but it's mentioned a number of times in the unit descriptions
20090711 01:22:15< melinath> there's some more in http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/Drakes_(race)
20090711 01:25:33< melinath> if you want to know more, you'd likely have to talk to Jetrel about it.
20090711 01:25:51< Rrenys> nah, its not so relevant for the villages anyway.
20090711 01:27:35< melinath> hmm... well, theoretically, you could have some house variations that were less impressive for lower-caste drakes
20090711 01:31:36< Rrenys> more technical stuff concerns mre more frankly
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20090711 01:42:21< mthe> ^^ i love wesnoth, nn guys
20090711 01:42:32< VurtualRuler98> Everyone does.
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20090711 01:45:23< melinath> when the villages look as good as yours do, you can worry about whatever the heck you want. :-p
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20090711 02:24:32< [Relic]> Hello :)
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20090711 05:32:28< Bilbo_Baggins> Hello fellow wesnothians.  =D
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20090711 08:25:59< GhostOfBanquo> Hello ^^
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20090711 08:44:13< GhostOfBanquo> Hello ^^
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20090711 10:59:21< Ivanovic> moin
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20090711 12:28:15< Bilbo_Baggins> Hello Fello Wesnothians, I'm new to the world of wesnot (I love the stories....but I'm a hard core RPGer and miss the char devel in the game...) =)
20090711 12:29:56< Soliton> you might like the under the burning suns campaign then.
20090711 12:31:37< zookeeper> or some RPG-like MP scenarios
20090711 12:32:32< Bilbo_Baggins> Really?
20090711 12:33:19< Bilbo_Baggins> I'll have to try it.  But as I said.... I'm a totall newb.  I started playing this week with the campaign that I am playing the legit heir to wesnoth and have to kill the queen.
20090711 12:33:54< Bilbo_Baggins> I'm at Isle of the Damned now... ( with no tutorials, I hate help files....unless absolutely needed.. LOL)
20090711 12:35:48< Bilbo_Baggins> Is there anything like an mmorpg that is "TOTALLY" linux native?
20090711 12:36:14< Bilbo_Baggins> I'm not a complete newbie to linux...(although I am too).  Talking with irssi right now.
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20090711 13:05:22< Bilbo_Baggins> Hello all, I've been playing Wesnoth, but honestly (It is a fun game, but reminds me of Warcraft "NOT WoW!")  I played that game once in the 90's from start to finish, enjoyed it, but it was a one time deal for me.  Does anyone know a good MMORPG or just a straight up RPG that might be in my repos?  Running ubuntu and I know how to make file and download .debs.
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20090711 13:05:38< Bilbo_Baggins> I am a "NEWB", I just know some things....
20090711 13:06:28< Tomsik> Not me, not playing silly mmos :p
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20090711 13:08:01< Bilbo_Baggins> lol :)  sry.  I do love Wesnoth (mainly because I've "NEVER" seen a strat game have such a depth to the story, but.....it still lacks for me) I'm a hardcore 80's / 90's DnD geek.  =/
20090711 13:10:42< Tomsik> Well, if you feel hardcore you can try muds
20090711 13:11:18< Bilbo_Baggins> imo It is the absolute best "FREE" game I have EVER played!  I've never even seen such support for a free game...MUDS?!  LOL  I loved isengard.nazgul.com port 4040, but I don't know if it still runs.
20090711 13:11:51< Bilbo_Baggins> Running irssi now....I'm now stranger to the "term"...LOL..."I"m just not a good scripter / programmer.
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20090711 13:12:10< Bilbo_Baggins> now = no.  sry.
20090711 13:14:52< Bilbo_Baggins> sry, the "now" before the word stranger.
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20090711 16:25:58< Bilbo_Baggins> Is anyone on?  Does anyone even play?  WTF?  Does anyone play muds?
20090711 16:26:29< Tomsik_> Yes, sometimes, yo momma, depends
20090711 16:26:35< Tomsik_> :p
20090711 16:34:30< Bilbo_Baggins> My momma's missing a boob....but I'm good to go.
20090711 16:34:49< Bilbo_Baggins> How's that for :P
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20090711 16:36:03< Bilbo_Baggins> If I've played muds since 95 can I be initiated into the hall of geekdom and continue to play on the "few" that still exist?
20090711 16:36:21< Bilbo_Baggins> What those are, I do not konw.
20090711 16:38:42< Tomsik_> I bet google has them
20090711 16:39:44< Bilbo_Baggins> I don't want google.  I want to play with fello geeks.  :/  Old skool.  DnD.  Mordor and the like...
20090711 16:43:19< Bilbo_Baggins> To put it bluntly, I do not even know why wesnoth has such a strong following....It reminds me too much of Warcraft I and II.  From the 90's.  Hell, wine would hump them in a heartbeat.
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20090711 16:44:23< grzywacz> Yes, we wouldn't expect you to know.
20090711 16:44:28< Tomsik_> Wesnoth and warcraft are completetly different o.O
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20090711 16:44:51< elias> was warcraft even turn based?
20090711 16:44:55< grzywacz> Of course not.
20090711 16:44:58< elias> heh
20090711 16:44:59< grzywacz> Hence my previous comment.
20090711 16:45:28< Bilbo_Baggins> Good games, but WTF is peoples fasination with strat games that act the same?  Hell, PLAY CHESS.
20090711 16:45:29< Bilbo_Baggins> just imo.  Which isn't worth jack, but I never liked jack anyway and could care less.
20090711 16:45:33< Tomsik_> Bilbo_Baggins: I'm pretty sure there's nobody, but geeks playing muds :p
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20090711 16:45:55< grzywacz> Children sometimes play in mud too.
20090711 16:47:46< Bilbo_Baggins> hilight tomsik Nod....I'm just looking for a place to call home.
20090711 16:48:19< Tomsik_> I dunno, turn your head around? :p
20090711 16:49:02< Bilbo_Baggins> hilight tomsik_ Nod, I"m just looking for a place to call home.
20090711 16:49:03< Bilbo_Baggins> Um, I see my bookshelf.
20090711 16:49:03< Bilbo_Baggins> LOL
20090711 16:49:03< Bilbo_Baggins> :P
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20090711 17:04:44< Bilbo_Baggins> Yes, but "I do not understand" the complexity of the game......Or the nuances.   Basically, it's this.  Not everyone is Viswanathan Anand.
20090711 17:06:06< VurtualRuler98> uhm
20090711 17:06:09< VurtualRuler98> wait what
20090711 17:06:35< VurtualRuler98> Strategy games don't act the same.
20090711 17:06:46< VurtualRuler98> Look at Total Anhillation, it's strategy game, it's not like chess or wesnoth.
20090711 17:07:15< VurtualRuler98> Wesnoth is HP-based units, commanding an army, where each tile is valued individually.
20090711 17:07:48< VurtualRuler98> TA is an army of robots with lasers that build bigger robots with tiny nukes, and they can move around eachother I guess, chess is wooden things moving in basic mathematical patterns.
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20090711 17:16:04< Bilbo_Baggins> You know what, I think I'm seeing something about wesnoth I haven't seen before.....It "may" be like the old goldbox dnd games for dos.  Treasures of the Savage Frontire etc.....I just miss the mindless moving around untill you get your next menu, or the freedom to move most places on the "map"
20090711 17:21:44< Bilbo_Baggins>  /hilight VurtualRuler98 if chess was that easy, then beat Bobby Fischer....but he's been beaten for a few decades, so he should be easy pickings for you....mathimatically speaking.
20090711 17:22:15< VurtualRuler98> ...
20090711 17:22:20< grzywacz> I think you should go outside.
20090711 17:22:23< VurtualRuler98> You don't need to "/highlight vurtualruler98"
20090711 17:22:32< VurtualRuler98> I personally recommend a guide on IRC.
20090711 17:24:12< Bilbo_Baggins> I know how to type my commands.  Irssi is messing up.  So... I wont.  I only did to try to make it stand out for you.
20090711 17:24:16< Bilbo_Baggins> Eat me
20090711 17:25:57< VurtualRuler98> It wouldn't.
20090711 17:27:50 * Bilbo_Baggins np: Unknown - Civil War - Songs of the Confederacy - The Bonnie Blue Flag.mp3 (0:07 / 4:16)
20090711 17:28:08< Bilbo_Baggins> Eat Me
20090711 17:28:26< Bilbo_Baggins> Biss mir bitte.
20090711 17:28:26< VurtualRuler98> Between what you're saying, and leonard nimoy singing in my head about you, I am a very confused.
20090711 17:28:35< Bilbo_Baggins> LOL
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20090711 17:43:01 * Bilbo_Baggins np: Henry Mancini - Godfather theme (0:53 / 3:34)
20090711 17:46:15< zookeeper> np-actions tend to be somewhat hated in most civilized corners of irc.
20090711 17:47:30< Bilbo_Baggins> Why?
20090711 17:48:33< Soliton> nobody cares what music you hear.
20090711 17:49:44< Bilbo_Baggins> Can you not explain why?  Most people cannot expain why to the reasons they feel this is wrong, or this is right.... So why why does np lead to such a strong emotion such as hated except that the people hating are insecure idiots.  No one cares....That's good, but not a reason for "HATE".
20090711 17:50:14< Bilbo_Baggins> Define.
20090711 17:51:09< Bilbo_Baggins> And I like to hear myself speak....so /ignore me.  Easy enough if I annoy you.  Just stop listening.....Ostriches do that too.
20090711 17:51:45< Bilbo_Baggins> Or cut off my head and give it to Ala.
20090711 17:51:53< Bilbo_Baggins> Either way...
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20090711 17:53:07< grzywacz> +1
20090711 17:53:26< Dragonking> +2
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20090711 18:26:27< Bilbo_Baggins> Moars like to fuck 1/2 cent whores....especially when they feed their bastard, half-breed children.
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20090711 18:26:51< Tomsik_> heh
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20090711 18:32:17< Bilbo_Baggins> Devoice me again....LMFAO.  IRC Ban's / voice etc are so fucking lame
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20090711 18:45:05< GhostOfBanquo_> Hello ^^
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20090711 18:49:43< VurtualRuler98> Nobody in here is voiced.
20090711 18:50:09< GhostOfBanquo_> ?
20090711 18:50:27< VurtualRuler98> He said he was devoiced.
20090711 18:50:34< GhostOfBanquo_> Ah, okay.
20090711 18:50:36< VurtualRuler98> You can't be de voiced if you weren't in the first place.
20090711 18:50:56< GhostOfBanquo_> That reminds me of Alice in Wonderland ^^
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20090711 18:52:25< GhostOfBanquo_> "Would you like some more tea?" "I haven't had any tea! I can't possibly have any 'more'!" "You mean you can't possibly have any less."
20090711 18:53:17< Polarina> VurtualRuler98: Yes, you can.
20090711 18:53:43< VurtualRuler98> Having negative 1 "voice" modes is possible now?
20090711 18:54:02< Tomsik_> it's called a ban
20090711 18:54:03< Tomsik_> :p
20090711 18:54:37< Dragonking> Apparently in his little world it is called 'devoice'. 
20090711 18:54:43 * Dragonking shrugs
20090711 18:54:49< VurtualRuler98> Must be a foreign language.
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20090711 18:56:13< Soliton> it's called a quiet ban.
20090711 18:56:46< GhostOfBanquo_> Silent but deadly....
20090711 18:57:23< GhostOfBanquo_> Um, just a question: is "sleeping in chat" allowed?
20090711 18:57:38< VurtualRuler98> idling?
20090711 18:57:43< GhostOfBanquo_> Yes
20090711 18:57:47< VurtualRuler98> Presumably, I've been connected for a few months nonstop
20090711 18:57:52< GhostOfBanquo_> O.O
20090711 18:57:56< GhostOfBanquo_> Ah, okay ^^
20090711 18:57:59< GhostOfBanquo_> (bbl)
20090711 18:57:59< VurtualRuler98> Well, one month this specific connect.
20090711 18:58:09< GhostOfBanquo_> :D
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20090711 19:47:42< barghest> hi all!
20090711 19:48:18< barghest> anyone has an idea how to have in game sound while mpd is playing?
20090711 19:48:53< Tomsik_> I guess you mean linux, you need to get sequencer to work properly
20090711 19:49:37< barghest> sorry...yes linux
20090711 19:56:10< barghest> hmm...do you mean oss-emulation? I have all 3 modules (according to the alsa wiki) loaded
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20090711 20:02:28< testing_xyz> linux or windows , that is the question 
20090711 20:02:39< GhostOfBanquo> Windows!
20090711 20:03:15< testing_xyz> when i am in windows i am missing linux, 
20090711 20:03:38< testing_xyz> when i am using linux i miss windows
20090711 20:03:58< testing_xyz> should i use two computers ? 
20090711 20:04:04< GhostOfBanquo> If you like ;)
20090711 20:05:06< GhostOfBanquo> Which version of Windows do you have?
20090711 20:05:17< testing_xyz> windows XP sp 3
20090711 20:05:34< GhostOfBanquo> Ah, that's good. :D In that case, Windows! ^^
20090711 20:05:35< testing_xyz> why ?
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20090711 20:05:51< GhostOfBanquo> Well, because if it was Vista, I'd have chosen Linux every time.
20090711 20:06:44< Tomsik_> barghest: you need sequencer
20090711 20:07:10< Tomsik_> I don't quite remember how to set it up sadly, I didn't have to do that on my comp for years :p
20090711 20:07:56< testing_xyz> oh i was on vista 
20090711 20:08:01< testing_xyz> for some time 
20090711 20:08:10< GhostOfBanquo> Is it really as bad as they say?
20090711 20:08:29< testing_xyz> you never used it ?
20090711 20:08:49< GhostOfBanquo> No....
20090711 20:08:59< GhostOfBanquo> I heard it was really bad, so I didn't look deeper into it.
20090711 20:09:27< testing_xyz> what can i say 
20090711 20:09:35< testing_xyz> i am using windows XP now 
20090711 20:09:53< GhostOfBanquo> Yay! :D
20090711 20:10:03< Vornicus> testing_xyz: either, with the other as a vm client.
20090711 20:10:51< testing_xyz> can i run ubuntu under windows ?
20090711 20:10:55< cerusan> linux is the best!
20090711 20:11:15< cerusan> with virtual box
20090711 20:11:20< aanderse> testing_xyz: i'd recommend running gnu/linux as the host, and the if you really want windows run it as the virtual box client
20090711 20:11:37< aanderse> if you run gnu/linux as the host you get the added stability over windows xp
20090711 20:12:35< testing_xyz> hmm
20090711 20:13:11< aanderse> and if you don't surf the web on xp, you won't have to have a virus scanner installed
20090711 20:13:19< aanderse> which means less system resources
20090711 20:13:50< testing_xyz> never used virtual box 
20090711 20:13:57< testing_xyz> let me check it 
20090711 20:13:59< testing_xyz> pls
20090711 20:14:13< aanderse> it's pretty dead easy now if you're using something like ubuntu
20090711 20:25:43< testing_xyz> hmm
20090711 20:26:01< testing_xyz> it appears that wine is better than VM
20090711 20:26:34< aanderse> they are different things
20090711 20:26:39< aanderse> there certainly is overlap...
20090711 20:26:55< aanderse> but virtual box gives you an entire windows os inside your gnu/linux os
20090711 20:27:09< aanderse> wine will allow you to run windows apps inside your gnu/linux os
20090711 20:27:17< aanderse> so if all you need is to run apps, definitely go with wine
20090711 20:27:28< aanderse> but if you actually want/need the full os, you will require virtual box
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20090711 21:32:09< grzywacz> Tomsik_, sequencer is for midi :P
20090711 21:32:17< Tomsik_> What :D
20090711 21:32:23< grzywacz> barghest, with alsa take a look at dmix
20090711 21:32:32< Tomsik_> heh
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20090711 21:44:56< elias> my last "apt-get update" removed dmix and replaced it with pulseaudio
20090711 21:45:40< elias> not sure what debian devs are thinking sometimes
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20090711 23:12:56< Blueblaze> Polarina: Are you excited about joining the UN?
20090711 23:12:58< Blueblaze> erm
20090711 23:12:59< Blueblaze> EU*
20090711 23:13:23< Polarina> Blueblaze: Kind of.
20090711 23:13:35< grzywacz> Hm?
20090711 23:13:39< grzywacz> Where are you from?
20090711 23:13:43< Polarina> grzywacz: Iceland.
20090711 23:14:11< Blueblaze> vote is Monday right?
20090711 23:14:12< Rrenys> There arent many countries joining eu in the near future.
20090711 23:14:18< grzywacz> Polarina, oh, cool :)
20090711 23:14:35< Blueblaze> Rrenys: Hopefully USA joins soon
20090711 23:14:35< Polarina> Blueblaze: Honestly, I haven't got a clue.
20090711 23:14:56< grzywacz> Blueblaze, haha ;)(
20090711 23:15:26< Blueblaze> actually, I just wish there would be a free labor agreement between USA and the EU
20090711 23:15:44< Rrenys> I wish there was a world government
20090711 23:15:49< grzywacz> I wouldn't mind either.
20090711 23:16:11< Rrenys> (not that id have any serious issues with mine either)
20090711 23:16:15< Polarina> I wish the laws weren't stupid.
20090711 23:22:04< grzywacz> Blueblaze, any chance you have some frog samples handly? Or samples of other kinds of night life?
20090711 23:22:28< grzywacz> Blueblaze, I've managed to extract only one from the set...
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20090711 23:56:24< Blueblaze> grzywacz: I don't have any off hand, but I think I can easily get some
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