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20090712 00:00:20< barghest> grzywacz: dmix should me enbaled by default with my alsa version
20090712 00:00:39< VurtualRuler98> "EU"
20090712 00:00:51< VurtualRuler98> What is this "ew" and why would the USA join it.
20090712 00:02:08< Blueblaze> So citizens of the EU and USA could work in each others nations without having to supply a work visa
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20090712 00:03:05< Blueblaze> grzywacz: Okay, I have a nice handful that should work well
20090712 00:03:13< Blueblaze> I'll be uploading it in a few momoents
20090712 00:04:04< VurtualRuler98> But then we'd have to allow citizens of the EU in.
20090712 00:04:13< VurtualRuler98> Without heavy monitoring.
20090712 00:04:20< VurtualRuler98> We'd gain nothing!
20090712 00:04:59< Blueblaze> It works two ways you know :)
20090712 00:05:10< Blueblaze> They'd have to let us into the EU as a result
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20090712 00:16:32< barghest> good n8!
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20090712 00:44:20< grzywacz> VurtualRuler98, greetings from ew ;>
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20090712 01:10:34< Aethaeryn> Turuk: I do find your lock messages entertaining when reading old threads.
20090712 01:10:42< Turuk> I have my moments
20090712 01:10:44< Aethaeryn> From one on seaons: "Searching for weather raised my disappointment in the human race. I had more results for people using the word weather instead of whether then I did for the word being used properly."
20090712 01:10:54< Aethaeryn> Ironically, I typoed seasons :P
20090712 01:11:02< Turuk> It largely depends on my state of mind
20090712 01:11:06< Turuk> Ah, irony strikes yet again.
20090712 01:11:10< Turuk> A cruel foe
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20090712 01:53:17< Aethaeryn> Yay, I have a bowman called Aethiryn
20090712 01:53:21< Aethaeryn> clostest to my name I've noticed
20090712 01:53:25< Aethaeryn> *closest
20090712 01:54:44< Rrenys> Ever since i got a knight named Blarumyrran, i have been wanting to change my forum nick to that
20090712 01:55:03< Rrenys> But i suppose they dont do favors like that to people who arent... art directors
20090712 01:55:42 * Rrenys has to murder the reigning art director and take the throne
20090712 02:01:18< Aethaeryn> Rrenys: so you can finally mainline tumonkers?
20090712 02:02:03< Rrenys> No, so my forum nick can change
20090712 02:02:11< Rrenys> to Blarumyrran
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20090712 02:03:18< Soliton> alternatively you could just ask an admin.
20090712 02:03:21< Aethaeryn> damn, you have bested me.
20090712 02:03:24< Blarumyrran> its even not that different - the third and fourth last letters are the same
20090712 02:04:02< Blarumyrran> Hm, you think they might do the favor? (they seem kind of conservative on that point)
20090712 02:04:08< Aethaeryn> Syarax Erron?
20090712 02:04:42< Aethaeryn> oh, sorry, I thought you said, the third, fourth, and last were the same
20090712 02:04:45< Blarumyrran> the only reason i took the name was that i had to take some random name, and i had gotten a syntax error a moment ago
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20090712 03:08:30< Blueblaze> Aethaeryn: Want to play a game with me?
20090712 03:11:46< Aethaeryn> Blueblaze: I'm probably going to head back home in a few minutes...
20090712 03:12:51< Blueblaze> k
20090712 03:13:57< Aethaeryn> Blueblaze: in 30-45 min?
20090712 03:14:06< Blueblaze> k
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20090712 03:47:14< Blueblaze> BiggieSmalls: hi
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20090712 05:11:34< Blueblaze> hey Aethaeryn
20090712 05:13:01< Aethaeryn> hey
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20090712 05:28:51< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: what skin is that?
20090712 05:30:06< Aethaeryn> in http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=367503#p367503
20090712 05:30:32< Blarumyrran> my skin, duh
20090712 05:30:49< Aethaeryn> it's nice
20090712 05:31:02< Blarumyrran> mhm, compared to the current one at least :P
20090712 05:31:22< Aethaeryn> Really, the main reason I was disappointed with 1.6 is because I was expecting some appearance change
20090712 05:31:40< Aethaeryn> 1.4 -> 1.6 wasn't nearly as dramatic as 1.2 -> 1.4 or some other jumps
20090712 05:31:42< Blarumyrran> (but i dropped developing it once West posted his superior stuff)
20090712 05:31:46< Aethaeryn> Most was under the hood
20090712 05:32:01< Aethaeryn> I like the ToD and unit area though, Blarumyrran 
20090712 05:32:21< Blarumyrran> 1.2 -> 1.4 wasnt nearly as dramatic as 1.0 -> 1.2
20090712 05:32:34< Blarumyrran> iirc the Great Castle Repaint by pekka happened then
20090712 05:33:33< Aethaeryn> Once 2.0 release candidates start coming, which could be after 1.9 or could be after 1.11 or even later...
20090712 05:33:42< Aethaeryn> I really want to host an MP weekend party on 1.0
20090712 05:33:52< Aethaeryn> That way the changes look more dramatic
20090712 05:34:33< Blarumyrran> Afaik UI still cannot be tiled automatically depending on resolutions? No serious UI improvement can be done until that part gets coded
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20090712 05:35:26< Aethaeryn> Agreed.
20090712 05:35:38< Aethaeryn> Though damn, Blarumyrran... I have been bested at my own unit-name game.
20090712 05:36:04 * Blarumyrran had a genuine Blarumyrran, not looking-up-the-names-file :P
20090712 05:39:43< Blarumyrran> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=24598&start=16 is the whole thing
20090712 05:41:24< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: I had an Aethiryn or something :P
20090712 05:41:46< Aethaeryn> very nice, actually
20090712 05:42:17< Blarumyrran> Yeah i know, ive had many Aeth*r*ns too
20090712 05:42:29< Aethaeryn> Yes, they're quite common. I like to joke that they're my cousins.
20090712 05:42:38< Aethaeryn> And I've used that joke a handful of times in recent memory, so I know they're quite common :P
20090712 05:43:00< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: Really, each faction should have their own theme ideally. So if someone has an equally-good theme, it's not a loss.
20090712 05:43:35< Aethaeryn> I'm hoping 1.8 has it
20090712 05:44:17< Aethaeryn> Unfortunately, I can't even use other people's themes because I frequently switch between windowed and fullscreen
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20090712 05:44:56< Blarumyrran> I have it maximized whenever i played, but not fullscreen
20090712 05:45:33< Aethaeryn> Yes, I have it maximized but not fullscreen when I'm multitasking
20090712 05:45:52< Aethaeryn> When I have nothing else up, I prefer it fullscreen.
20090712 05:46:37< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: Do you have any really exotic monsters?
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20090712 05:47:11< Aethaeryn> i.e. so exotic, that they're not just fantasy, or sci-fi, but sci-fi/fantasy :P
20090712 05:47:20< Blarumyrran> well
20090712 05:47:41< Blarumyrran> giant vegetables roughly qualify for just that
20090712 05:47:50< Aethaeryn> Is that usually what you draw?
20090712 05:47:54< Blarumyrran> & as i said, my first (terrible) sprite was a walking goldbar
20090712 05:48:19< Blarumyrran> (in a danny_california thread, it seemed fitting)
20090712 05:48:59< Aethaeryn> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=14219&p=200492#p200492
20090712 05:49:01< Aethaeryn> this isn't your first?
20090712 05:49:26< Blarumyrran> no
20090712 05:49:56< Aethaeryn> search only goes back to December 7, 2006
20090712 05:50:02< Aethaeryn> and that's on the 9th
20090712 05:50:53< Blarumyrran> i think it has been deleted
20090712 05:51:15< Blarumyrran> ah no
20090712 05:51:18< Blarumyrran> i was wrong
20090712 05:52:00< Blarumyrran> walking goldbar was later, http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=14281&hilit=goldbar
20090712 05:55:03< Blarumyrran> Mordante was supposed to "rework the ui" at some point, last year, iirc; but i dont know if he is done or not, and what that rework was supposed to be anyway...
20090712 06:07:52< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=202355#p202355
20090712 06:07:56< Aethaeryn> That won the thread, imo
20090712 06:08:10< Aethaeryn> He hated Krispos but said nothing about the overdecorated goldbar
20090712 06:10:34< Blarumyrran> mhm
20090712 06:11:01< Blarumyrran> oh, cool: "I loved that eragon Movie alot!"
20090712 06:11:27< Blarumyrran> I think this coming from danny_c is the single harshest argument against any eragon fan
20090712 06:12:38< Aethaeryn> Yes.
20090712 06:12:57< Aethaeryn> While the overdecorated wolfrider goldbar should've been mainlined way back for 1.2
20090712 06:13:02< Aethaeryn> *woserider
20090712 06:13:08< Blarumyrran> mhm
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20090712 07:58:05< Septi> hi
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20090712 07:58:26< mordocai> hello
20090712 08:04:49< Aethaeryn> Blueblaze: damn, sorry
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20090712 08:16:26< Blueblaze> :|
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20090712 09:34:51< GhostOfBanquo> Hello ^^
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20090712 09:37:03< GhostOfBanquo> Hi!
20090712 09:45:03< GhostOfBanquo> Wow! 1.6.4. is SO awesome! The art is....wow. What can I say?
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20090712 10:26:38< Blueblaze> hey GhostOfBanquo
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20090712 11:10:02< Ivanovic> moin
20090712 11:12:08< Ischaldirh> moin?
20090712 11:12:10< Ischaldirh> moin what?
20090712 11:12:18< Ischaldirh> does that mean anything?
20090712 11:15:13< Ivanovic> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moin
20090712 11:16:46< Ischaldirh> hey look i learned something... blasted non-english languages
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20090712 11:41:29< GhostOfBanquo> I return!
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20090712 12:31:37< Blueblaze> welcome back GhostOfBanquo
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20090712 12:31:55< GhostOfBanquo> Thank you :)
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20090712 20:12:24< Aethaeryn> cib0: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=25869
20090712 20:12:51< Aethaeryn> cib0: They link to an old thread of yours there, and I'm just wondering if your opinion has changed on the issue.
20090712 20:13:10< Aethaeryn> cib0: (WML being able to write to files.)
20090712 20:15:46< cib0> Aethaeryn, I can't be bothered to read the whole thing through again, but i think that in the end i considered the best solution to that problem to be some sort of "global save files"
20090712 20:16:45< cib0> if the lua support is still being worked on, adding file system support to the interpreter might be a good idea, too
20090712 20:17:18< Aethaeryn> I do believe that it's necessary as scenarios get more and more complex (look at some of Bob the Mighty's maps). I think some kind of preferences could be useful.
20090712 20:17:31< Aethaeryn> For example, if I make an RPG, you could select certain behavior, and it'd remember every time you play it.
20090712 20:17:44< cib0> yeah
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20090712 20:17:56< cib0> i don't recall exactly what was the trouble with implementing that
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20090712 20:18:05< Aethaeryn> I think it was a security issue.
20090712 20:18:26< cib0> not really
20090712 20:18:44< Aethaeryn> I'm sure if a safe approach was thought out, it'd be one of those Idea forum things where it's, "Add it if you want it."
20090712 20:19:03< cib0> as i said, it'd be not much more than "global save files" which would be restricted to an API that only can write to a virtual filesystem
20090712 20:19:39< cib0> i once tried to add it, but realized it wouldn't be that trivial.. don't remembe.r.
20090712 20:20:36< cib0> especially with the WML manipulation functionality, it wouldn't be more complex than dumping a variable into a file, really..
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20090712 21:03:47< Aethaeryn> http://www.geocities.com/fmunoz_/wesnoth/tree.html
20090712 21:03:51< Aethaeryn> This is an interesting page
20090712 21:05:09< Aethaeryn> Shows you how old the spider image is, since almost every other one has been replaced since then.
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20090712 21:05:39< Aethaeryn> Actually, probably every other one since even where they're close (shaman, etc.) they've been changed.
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20090712 21:11:02< lizard_r> what about the cuttlefish?
20090712 21:13:17< lizard_r> or the sea ork
20090712 21:17:06< Aethaeryn> cuttlefish I wasn't sure on
20090712 21:17:12< Aethaeryn> sea orc is a campaign unit
20090712 21:18:49 * lizard_r surrenders
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20090712 21:30:15< marioxcc> when i try to run wesnoth i get this message: http://marioxcc.homeip.net:8081/paste/wesnoth_output
20090712 21:30:28< marioxcc> ¿wath is the problem?
20090712 21:32:08< lizard_r> (I probably won't know it anyway but I can't access the link (from germany))
20090712 21:32:20< zookeeper> same here
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20090712 21:32:27< lizard_r> http://pastebin.com/
20090712 21:32:44< lizard_r> copy paste it there
20090712 21:33:04< marioxcc> ok
20090712 21:33:32< marioxcc> http://pastebin.com/d66216809
20090712 21:36:14< lizard_r> I got a simmilar error today, is there a data dierectory in the same folder as wesnoth
20090712 21:37:00< marioxcc> ¿how i solve it?
20090712 21:37:21< Soliton> more importantly is there wesnoth data under /usr/local/share/wesnoth?
20090712 21:37:33< Soliton> presumably not.
20090712 21:38:22< marioxcc> no, i have not /usr/local/share/wesnoth
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20090712 21:38:33< Soliton> so install wesnoth.
20090712 21:38:56< Soliton> you've used make to build it?
20090712 21:39:00< marioxcc> yes
20090712 21:39:11< marioxcc> i have used "make"
20090712 21:39:12< marioxcc> and
20090712 21:39:15< marioxcc> "make install"
20090712 21:39:21< Soliton> i doubt that.
20090712 21:39:45< Soliton> or you got errors when doing that or something.
20090712 21:39:55< Soliton> did you do "make install" as root?
20090712 21:40:09< marioxcc> yes
20090712 21:40:37< Soliton> so where did it install to?
20090712 21:41:32< marioxcc> i do not know
20090712 21:41:42< marioxcc> i used the default options
20090712 21:41:54< Soliton> default is /usr/local
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20090712 21:42:19< Soliton> so if it's not there.. no idea.
20090712 21:42:49< Soliton> what distribution are you using?
20090712 21:43:04< marioxcc> debian 5.0
20090712 21:43:20< Soliton> aptitude install wesnoth
20090712 21:43:36< Soliton> why are you going outside of your package manager?
20090712 21:43:36< marioxcc> wesnoth have 1.4
20090712 21:43:38< marioxcc> too old
20090712 21:43:39< marioxcc> ahh
20090712 21:43:41< marioxcc> sorry
20090712 21:43:49< marioxcc> was a error doing make install
20090712 21:43:59< marioxcc> and i do not see this error
20090712 21:44:07< marioxcc> now i have do "make install" new time
20090712 21:44:14< marioxcc> and now works :)
20090712 21:44:21< marioxcc> excuse my bad english
20090712 21:44:48< Soliton> http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/wesnoth
20090712 21:45:52< marioxcc> ohh :s
20090712 21:46:15< Soliton> well, now you got it working anyway. :-)
20090712 21:46:44< marioxcc> yes, thanks
20090712 21:46:47< marioxcc> :D
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20090712 22:38:47< GhostOfBanquo> Hello. ^^
20090712 22:39:21< GhostOfBanquo> Wooh, I started playing one of the add-on campaigns (the Orcish Incursion, I think) today, and it's SO awesome!
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20090712 22:50:08< GhostOfBanquo> Hi.
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20090712 22:54:44< Dragonking> hi
20090712 22:55:00< GhostOfBanquo> ^^
20090712 22:55:25< GhostOfBanquo> How are you?
20090712 22:56:47< Dragonking> I'm well, thank you
20090712 22:56:54< ABCD> I thought AOI was mainline... (or is that just in 1.7.*+svn?)
20090712 22:57:02< Dragonking> I thought so too
20090712 22:57:16< Dragonking> It could be a bit more challenging at expert level tho
20090712 22:57:17 * lizard_r too
20090712 22:57:18< Ivanovic> it is already mainline in 1.6.x
20090712 22:57:32< Dragonking> Ivanovic: Who maitains it?
20090712 22:57:51< GhostOfBanquo> ((That's good, I'm well too. :) ))
20090712 22:57:56< GhostOfBanquo> ((Anyway.))
20090712 22:58:05< Ivanovic> Dragonking: don't know
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20090712 22:58:35< Dragonking> Ivanovic: ok
20090712 22:59:08< lizard_r> Post 1.4 story and gameplay improvements - "Piotr Cychowski (cycholka)"
20090712 22:59:21< lizard_r> Adaptation for mainline - esr
20090712 22:59:40< lizard_r> Campaign Design - Josh Parsons
20090712 23:00:08< lizard_r> Editing, proofreading and gameplay testing - Charlie Roselius (Jozrael), vicza
20090712 23:00:33< lizard_r> Dragonking: ^
20090712 23:01:35< Dragonking> Thanks
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20090712 23:22:30< Aethaeryn> Turuk: The pirate minotaur should be your new avatar. XD
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