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20090724 00:00:04< Aethaeryn> blarumyrran: Hitler had success until he invaded Russia.
20090724 00:00:13< VurtualRuler98> Aethaeryn, there's only one guy who can out-strategy me.
20090724 00:00:13< Aethaeryn> France/Poland/Czechoslovakia
20090724 00:00:19< VurtualRuler98> And he's so creepy you don't want to know him.
20090724 00:00:42< blarumyrran> I mean, i have probably had a tilted information of him, but all the worse strategic decisions of his country are attributed to hitler
20090724 00:00:51< VurtualRuler98> blarumyrran, also the best.
20090724 00:00:54< blarumyrran> nop
20090724 00:00:57< Aethaeryn> blarumyrran: Technically...
20090724 00:00:57< VurtualRuler98> He rallied people against lots of stereotypes.
20090724 00:01:05< VurtualRuler98> He WAS doing all the strategy after all.
20090724 00:01:11< VurtualRuler98> All the bad, and all the good.
20090724 00:01:12< blarumyrran> I meant, militarily strategic
20090724 00:01:27< Aethaeryn> the Nazis did well until Hitler started overruling his army.
20090724 00:01:38< blarumyrran> Almost every good nazi german plan is attributed to guderian or rommel or whoever
20090724 00:01:38< Aethaeryn> How many assassination plots near the end were from the army itself?
20090724 00:01:46< VurtualRuler98> many
20090724 00:01:50< VurtualRuler98> Before that, crazy super-spies.
20090724 00:01:59< VurtualRuler98> who go on suicide missions to kill him
20090724 00:02:01< Aethaeryn> Hitler did some extremely bad blunders, ordering people to fight to the death rather than retreat and fight in better conditions, for instance.
20090724 00:02:07< Aethaeryn> That's what happens when you're an absolutist, after all.
20090724 00:02:08< VurtualRuler98> But churchill is like "NO WAY THAT'S TOO INSANE"
20090724 00:02:12< VurtualRuler98> Or stalin goes "You're crazy!"
20090724 00:02:33< Aethaeryn> You need a bit of insanity to be a dictator.
20090724 00:02:41< Aethaeryn> If you don't have it before, you'll develop it while being one.
20090724 00:02:49< VurtualRuler98> I was a dictator of a system.
20090724 00:03:03< VurtualRuler98> You only go insane if you don't set up a government to properly distribute work load.
20090724 00:03:29< VurtualRuler98> The commander of a platoon would be insane too if he had to tell every soldier what to do
20090724 00:03:59< blarumyrran> Aethaeryn, or someone needs to be a dictator for you to apply a bit of insanity to him
20090724 00:04:20< VurtualRuler98> Also.
20090724 00:04:35< VurtualRuler98> Godwin's Law.
20090724 00:04:44< Aethaeryn> Hitler?
20090724 00:05:03< Aethaeryn> Has happened quite a bit in conversations.
20090724 00:05:13< blarumyrran> konrad is kind of like hitler
20090724 00:05:15< Aethaeryn> Usually about 10-30 minutes after they turn ridiculous.
20090724 00:05:31< blarumyrran> There was a thread of him using the sentient gryphons as slave labour
20090724 00:05:31< VurtualRuler98> Also, there's another law.
20090724 00:05:39< VurtualRuler98> Every wikipedia article can reach hitler in five clicks.
20090724 00:05:45< Aethaeryn> lol
20090724 00:06:00< blarumyrran> Also, he used elves as his force - and blonde, physically perfect, ages-old elves, thats totally aryan
20090724 00:06:25< blarumyrran> Ive tried that, and it usually does work
20090724 00:06:28< Aethaeryn> VurtualRuler98: Okay... Find 5 pages to get from [[Barney]] to [[Adolf Hitler]]
20090724 00:07:02< Aethaeryn> blarumyrran: Assembling aryan fighting forces?
20090724 00:07:13< wajimba> lol barney
20090724 00:07:26< blarumyrran> 5 clicks
20090724 00:07:52< Aethaeryn> VurtualRuler98: sorry, [[Barney & Friends]]
20090724 00:08:02< Aethaeryn> barney is a disambig page, too easy with so many different links
20090724 00:08:12< blarumyrran> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barney_Barnato -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinema_of_Germany -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Widerstand -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler
20090724 00:08:20< blarumyrran> mhm, easy, only had to use 4 clicks
20090724 00:08:27< blarumyrran> probably could do with less
20090724 00:09:47< Aethaeryn> blarumyrran: Battle for Wesnoth -> Adolf Hitler
20090724 00:10:25< Aethaeryn> I'll do it
20090724 00:12:24< noy> anybody speak italian?
20090724 00:12:46< blarumyrran> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_S._Raymond -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neopaganism -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism -> Hitler
20090724 00:13:01 * blarumyrran is proud of that one
20090724 00:14:14< Aethaeryn> DAMN
20090724 00:14:22< blarumyrran> 3 clicks!
20090724 00:14:30< Aethaeryn> I was going to go through esr with the Battle for Wesnoth one
20090724 00:14:43< Aethaeryn> But I think you beat me to it in spead and articles.
20090724 00:14:46< blarumyrran> Great minds think alike.
20090724 00:14:50< blarumyrran> I started earlier
20090724 00:15:06< Aethaeryn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Battle_for_Wesnoth -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_S._Raymond -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neopaganism -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism -> Hitler
20090724 00:15:13< Aethaeryn> So yes, Wesnoth is connected to Hitler.
20090724 00:15:45< noy> good to know.
20090724 00:15:48< Aethaeryn> I was going to go through a political link, which would've taken longer.
20090724 00:15:51< VurtualRuler98> Everything is
20090724 00:16:13< VurtualRuler98> And thusly, everything has some relation to everything.
20090724 00:16:27< VurtualRuler98> Due to one man.
20090724 00:16:38< Aethaeryn> Kevin Bacon?
20090724 00:16:44< VurtualRuler98> Adolf Hitler
20090724 00:16:53< blarumyrran> Eric S Raymond
20090724 00:16:54< Aethaeryn> Actually, I think Kevin Bacon has a link to Adolf Hitler too
20090724 00:16:57< Aethaeryn> I remember seeing it somewhere
20090724 00:17:24< Aethaeryn> I think The Daily Show.
20090724 00:18:08< Aethaeryn> VurtualRuler98: I challenge you to link articles to Eric S. Raymond, then. It should theoretically be possible.
20090724 00:18:27< grzywacz> noy, you may want to ask Blueblaze about italian
20090724 00:18:53< noy> it was someone being annoying and he's gone now
20090724 00:19:07< grzywacz> I see.
20090724 00:19:25< VurtualRuler98> from Kevin Bacon to Philadelphia to World War II to Adolf Hitler
20090724 00:20:46< grzywacz> Maybe download a mirror of wikipedia and run a simple script to find out if that law is true :P
20090724 00:20:53< Aethaeryn> VurtualRuler98: Eh, they did it through people only, like the Kevin Bacon thing is supposed to be done, since Hitler was technically in movies.
20090724 00:21:21< Aethaeryn> grzywacz: Adolf Hitler simply has a lot of links to it. I'm sure anything could be linked to something like [[Saturn]]
20090724 00:21:29< Aethaeryn> Or [[Linux]]
20090724 00:21:34< blarumyrran> Wesnoth to saturn, go
20090724 00:21:38< Aethaeryn> Okay.
20090724 00:21:46< VurtualRuler98> Hitler is specific.
20090724 00:21:48< VurtualRuler98> It is always under 5
20090724 00:21:49< Aethaeryn> No one else work on this, I don't want to be beaten to it
20090724 00:22:03< blarumyrran> k
20090724 00:22:15< VurtualRuler98> I'm doing Paul Erdos to Hitlr
20090724 00:22:17< VurtualRuler98> Hitler*
20090724 00:22:58< VurtualRuler98> only took two clicks.
20090724 00:23:23< blarumyrran> duh, someone having lived in europe during ww2
20090724 00:23:30< VurtualRuler98> that means
20090724 00:24:07< grzywacz> The problem is with countries.
20090724 00:24:19< VurtualRuler98> Everyone's wikipedia kevin bacon+paul erdos number(pretending every article will link back) is 5 or less.
20090724 00:24:20< blarumyrran> oh my god #hitler exists
20090724 00:24:26< grzywacz> Pretty much every person will have a link to the country they come from which will link to wars, which...
20090724 00:24:29< VurtualRuler98> first rule of IRC
20090724 00:24:38< blarumyrran> Discuss your everyday hitlerizations.
20090724 00:24:42< VurtualRuler98> There is always a porn channel, hitler channel, and channel for your worst fears.
20090724 00:25:00< grzywacz> blarumyrran, no, it doesn't
20090724 00:25:04< Aethaeryn> blarumyrran: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Battle_for_Wesnoth http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn
20090724 00:25:10< Aethaeryn> Only one page in between.
20090724 00:25:13< blarumyrran> grzywacz, right
20090724 00:25:16< blarumyrran> my bad
20090724 00:26:21< blarumyrran> k
20090724 00:28:02< grzywacz> n8
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20090724 05:46:13< ancestral> Zarel: Remember this? Here's what I've done so far: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=26388
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20090724 08:01:29< jorrit> Hi
20090724 08:03:57< jorrit> Can I influence the variant of 'Soulless' in the recruit list?
20090724 08:04:04< jorrit> I would like the enemy to recruit the dwarf variant.
20090724 08:04:08< jorrit> But I don't see how that can be done.
20090724 08:04:30< Aethaeryn> Interesting question.
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20090724 08:07:54< jorrit> Aethaeryn: but you don't have an interesting answer for me? :-)
20090724 08:09:46< jorrit> zookeeper: you don't know if it is possible to let an enemy recruit another variant of Soulless? i.e. the dwarf variant for example.
20090724 08:10:34< Aethaeryn> < jorrit> Aethaeryn: but you don't have an interesting answer for me? <- I wish I knew, actually. Could add some variety to Undead-enemy scenarios.
20090724 08:11:04< zookeeper> it's possible
20090724 08:13:12< jorrit> zookeeper: yes?
20090724 08:14:10< zookeeper> look at the RECRUIT_UNIT_VARIATIONS macro in core/macros/utils.cfg
20090724 08:14:29< zookeeper> it's used in muff malal's peninsula in HttT for example
20090724 08:14:35< jorrit> aha thanks a lot!
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20090724 08:39:11< jorrit> zookeeper: I don't understand the variations argument of that macro. In the given example it uses none,none,drake,dwarf. But what do those four items in the list mean and why the two 'none' arguments?
20090724 08:40:56< jorrit> Ah. I think I get it.
20090724 08:41:03< zookeeper> whenever one is recruited, it picks one from that list at random
20090724 08:41:05< jorrit> The two 'none' arguments represent the 'normal' variant.
20090724 08:41:08< zookeeper> yes
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20090724 16:25:43< Elvenisko> hello boys and girls, can someone help me with campaign creation?
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20090724 16:26:05< Elvenisko> i cannot run first scenario, it is unable to find it. and i do not know why :(
20090724 16:26:22< zookeeper> no one else knows either.
20090724 16:26:51< Elvenisko> in _main i have this line: first_scenario=End_Of_Peace
20090724 16:27:00< zookeeper> pastebin the relevant file(s)
20090724 16:27:06< Elvenisko> okay
20090724 16:27:49< Elvenisko> scenario: http://pastebin.com/d713950a1
20090724 16:28:23< Elvenisko> main: http://pastebin.com/d5a4ac6b0
20090724 16:28:59< zookeeper> #ifdef CAMPAIGN_FORGOTTEN-DESTINY
20090724 16:29:00< zookeeper> define=CAMPAIGN_FORGOTTEN_DESTINY
20090724 16:30:11< zookeeper> also presumably you have your campaign in userdata/data/campaigns/, so all your {campaigns/Forgotten_Destiny/*} includes should be {~campaigns/Forgotten_Destiny*} instead
20090724 16:30:38< zookeeper> and including a dir just includes all the .cfg files inside it, so including an images dir does nothing
20090724 16:30:45< Elvenisko> folder is with Forgotten_Destiny
20090724 16:30:59< Elvenisko> *called
20090724 16:31:23< zookeeper> yes, obviously
20090724 16:31:28< Elvenisko> where i need to add that ifdef and define? or what to do with them?
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20090724 16:31:43< zookeeper> i was referring to those lines in your _main.cfg
20090724 16:31:51< zookeeper> they don't match each other
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20090724 16:32:15< Elvenisko> i hope i understand now. i changed to #ifdef CAMPAIGN_FORGOTTEN_DESTINY
20090724 16:32:35< zookeeper> correct
20090724 16:33:05< Elvenisko> still not working :( can help deleting the cache?
20090724 16:33:18< zookeeper> <zookeeper> also presumably you have your campaign in userdata/data/campaigns/, so all your {campaigns/Forgotten_Destiny/*} includes should be {~campaigns/Forgotten_Destiny/*} instead
20090724 16:33:33< zookeeper> note the ~
20090724 16:34:47< zookeeper> look at any existing add-on. they all use either ~ or @ in front of their include paths
20090724 16:35:03< Elvenisko> changed, but still not working :(
20090724 16:35:11< zookeeper> pastebin _main.cfg again
20090724 16:35:46< Elvenisko> http://pastebin.com/m23558975
20090724 16:36:37< zookeeper> so what error do you get when trying to start it?
20090724 16:37:04< Elvenisko> unable to open End of Peace
20090724 16:37:54< Elvenisko> unknown scenario
20090724 16:38:23< Elvenisko> (i have it in slovak. so time to switch to english)
20090724 16:38:37< zookeeper> and you have the scenario .cfg (no matter what it's called) in Forgotten_Destiny/scenarios/ ?
20090724 16:39:24< Elvenisko> yes, i have. i started with editing delfadors memoires (so i make a copy)
20090724 16:39:54< zookeeper> random note: {STARTING_VILLAGES 0-17 25-34} makes no sense. check the macro definition from data/core/macros/side-utils.cfg
20090724 16:40:42< zookeeper> and you didn't update the map_data include by adding the ~
20090724 16:43:36< Elvenisko> repaired, but still not working :(
20090724 16:43:50< Elvenisko> btw i am using wesnoth 1.7.2
20090724 16:43:56< Elvenisko> on win xp
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20090724 16:52:28< Elvenisko> still not working :(
20090724 16:56:28< zookeeper> 1.7.2, huh? don't add-ons go to userdata/data/add-ons/ there?
20090724 16:57:30< Elvenisko> well... maybe :)
20090724 16:58:51< Elvenisko> moved, same problem
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20090724 16:59:26< Elvenisko> going to install some onoffical campaign and study it :)
20090724 17:00:44< zookeeper> hard to say what's wrong without seeing exactly what errors you get
20090724 17:02:43< Elvenisko> exactly still the same: unknown scenario
20090724 17:03:05< Elvenisko> now i downloaded unofficial campaign and there is the SAME problem. it cannot run
20090724 17:03:14< Elvenisko> maybe bug in 1.7.2
20090724 17:19:35< zookeeper> more likely you just have things in the wrong place or something
20090724 17:20:34< Elvenisko> possible. trying to find it, but now without success
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20090724 21:07:41< Aethaeryn> Anyone want to play a game on one of my maps?
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20090724 21:09:51< Aethaeryn> Blueblaze: Nice map
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20090724 21:14:40< Blueblaze> ty
20090724 21:18:23< Aethaeryn> A few things I think could be different, but it's all a matter of a hex here or there
20090724 21:19:54< Aethaeryn> Blueblaze: maybe open up a corridor of shallow water for Corsica and Sardinia
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20090724 21:22:13< Blueblaze> and the point of that would be?
20090724 21:25:04< Aethaeryn> Blueblaze: Makes Italy harder to defend
20090724 21:25:22< Aethaeryn> they could flank you at Palermo if you're not careful then
20090724 21:25:45< zookeeper> isn't it the italians who make it hard to defend, not the terrain?
20090724 21:25:59< Aethaeryn> Italy is very issolated at the moment, really easy to defend once you get it
20090724 21:26:12< Aethaeryn> As a risk player, I advocate another section to have to defend...
20090724 21:26:33< Aethaeryn> perhaps shallow water by Bari
20090724 21:27:24< Aethaeryn> After all, don't tell me no one historically attacked from southeast Italy across to modern-day Albania (or vice versa in older times)
20090724 21:28:04< Aethaeryn> Just my two cents...
20090724 21:28:17< Aethaeryn> Corners are very effective in Risk, haven't played your map
20090724 21:28:42< Blueblaze> then don't make suggestions on it
20090724 21:29:57< Blueblaze> Italy doesn't give a big bonus
20090724 21:30:21< Blueblaze> If you were to put all these alternate pathways to get into Italy, then it wouldn't be worth the 3 gold it yields
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20090724 21:53:00< Elvenisko> hello again. anyone who can help with campaign creation?
20090724 21:53:28< Elvenisko> hi zookeeper
20090724 21:53:53< zookeeper> maybe
20090724 21:54:40< Elvenisko> right. i am happy, because i have a new error :) so it finally works
20090724 21:54:41< shadowmaster> depends on what is/are the specific thing(s) you need help with?
20090724 21:54:49< Elvenisko> this is the new one: http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/4196/41554434.jpg
20090724 21:55:27< zookeeper> then you have a syntax error somewhere.
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20090724 21:56:20< Elvenisko> agree, somewhere... but how can i fix it? :)
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20090724 21:58:10< Blueblaze> take out the unnecessary code
20090724 21:58:21< Blueblaze> find the specific code that is causing the bug
20090724 21:58:24< Blueblaze> then fix it?
20090724 21:59:09< Elvenisko> http://pastebin.com/m54c87af8 (main) andscenario: http://pastebin.com/m467111b0
20090724 21:59:35< Elvenisko> code is very small, just some chatter. i am starting on delfadors memoires code
20090724 22:02:09< zookeeper> as i said earlier, {@add-ons/Forgotten_Destiny/images} does absolutely nothing
20090724 22:02:14< zookeeper> unless you have .cfg files in that dir
20090724 22:02:41< shadowmaster> @ ? it should be ~
20090724 22:02:57< Elvenisko> removed images
20090724 22:03:19< Elvenisko> ~ in scenario or in main? btw working with wesnoth 1.7.2 in win xp
20090724 22:04:04< Elvenisko> @ was in another unofficial campaign and it works
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20090724 22:04:49< shadowmaster> uh, I thought someone had remove support for that in 1.7.0
20090724 22:05:17< shadowmaster> (that doesn't change the fact that you aren't supposed to use the WML preprocessor include on images/)
20090724 22:05:39< Elvenisko> images removed
20090724 22:05:58< Elvenisko> okay so take away that @?
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20090724 22:06:16< zookeeper> no
20090724 22:06:20< zookeeper> use ~ instead of @
20090724 22:07:16< zookeeper> @ and ~ are for WML includes only. image="@userdata/add-ons/Forgotten_Destiny/images/portraits/jalenas.png" is pointless
20090724 22:08:06< zookeeper> as for the error itself, just find it
20090724 22:08:12< zookeeper> cut away things until it goes away
20090724 22:09:01< Elvenisko> changed, but not working. btw evan that portrait does not work :(
20090724 22:09:59< zookeeper> look how campaigns use their custom images
20090724 22:10:15< zookeeper> then do the same
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20090724 22:12:51< zookeeper> but the important question is why didn't you catch the error earlier
20090724 22:13:31< zookeeper> you're not supposed to write hundreds of lines and only then test
20090724 22:13:52< shadowmaster> (unless you really, really know what you are doing)
20090724 22:13:53< zookeeper> there's gonna be some error somewhere and it'll be hard to find since you don't know where to look
20090724 22:13:56< zookeeper> yes
20090724 22:15:27< Elvenisko> i do not write much text. i just removed many thinks from delfadors memoires, try it and from that minute i am always trying to make it work :D
20090724 22:16:14< zookeeper> then you remove as much as it takes to make it work without errors, and then start adding things one by one
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20090724 22:24:27< Elvenisko> hehe. works :D i removed (backuped first of course) everything from sides down and it works :)
20090724 22:30:56< Elvenisko> removed all and added sides - and do not work. so now i know where is the problem :)
20090724 22:36:26< Soliton> also "userdata" in the path is a windowism it's not going to work on any other OS as well as when you have userdata under My Games or whatever on windows.
20090724 22:39:26< ancestral> so I need a little help
20090724 22:39:40< ancestral> If a person who wields a Halberd is a Halberdier
20090724 22:39:50< Elvenisko> everything works. many thanks to everyone :)
20090724 22:39:51< ancestral> What do you call a person who wields a Bardiche?
20090724 22:40:24< Elvenisko> find his name here: http://www.wesnoth.org/units/trunk/C/mainline.html
20090724 22:42:01< ancestral> Huh?
20090724 22:42:31< shadowmaster> ggggthat link is broken
20090724 22:42:45< ancestral> Just unsure the root of Bardiche, if it could be used to describe a person who wields one, how you would spell it
20090724 22:42:46< shadowmaster> and wouldn't help a lot AFAIK
20090724 22:43:07< ancestral> Bardiche has roots in Eastern Europe and Russia
20090724 22:43:39< ancestral> The other option is the Voulge, finding a word to describe a fighter wielding a Voulge
20090724 22:44:13< Turuk_> ding
20090724 22:44:21< ancestral> Voulger perhaps
20090724 22:44:27< Turuk_> ennnh
20090724 22:46:56< Elvenisko> or just guard :)
20090724 22:47:36< shadowmaster> Turuk_: dong
20090724 22:50:37< ancestral> Elvenisko: plenty of units that have guard in them
20090724 22:52:19< ancestral> Bardicheman? ehhh
20090724 22:52:46< Turuk_> Polearm-wielding-man
20090724 22:53:52< Elvenisko> what is doing that unit?
20090724 22:54:16< Elvenisko> is it attacking or defending unit? or does it only stand still like a stone?
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20090724 23:00:42< Elvenisko> any idea why is this not working?     image="images/portraits/jalenas.png"
20090724 23:02:31< Elvenisko> also moved picture to the same directory as _main and changed this adress. still not working :(
20090724 23:02:55< Elvenisko> but when it was not in /userdata, it works :(
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20090724 23:05:37< shadowmaster> Elvenisko: don't use images/ or the game will look in images/images/...
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20090724 23:06:50< Elvenisko> thanks. already tried other picture and works!
20090724 23:06:55< Elvenisko> very strange
20090724 23:07:10< Elvenisko> maybe 225x225 is too big
20090724 23:09:14< Elvenisko> changed to 200x200 and not working. oh... :(
20090724 23:09:44< shadowmaster> what makes you think that it's the image size?
20090724 23:09:55< shadowmaster> have you checked stderr.txt?
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20090724 23:19:03< ancestral> Which sounds better/scarier? War Charger or Challenger?
20090724 23:19:29< ancestral> or maybe just "charger" and "challenger"
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20090724 23:51:58< idiota> hello, i think they both sound kinda weak...
20090724 23:52:42< shadowmaster> uh, peer killed Elvenisko. Not goood
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