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20090725 00:18:11< idiota> shadowmaster, were you observing a game or something?
20090725 00:18:48< shadowmaster> Just a guy on this channel whom I was trying to help earlier.
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20090725 01:36:55< [Relic]> Hello :)
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20090725 02:25:47< idiota1> hello
20090725 02:33:36< Blueblaze> hi
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20090725 02:47:56< idiota1> hi there...
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20090725 03:16:58< Blueblaze> Aethaeryn: The world is under my banner of Communism!
20090725 03:17:01< Blueblaze> What a beautiful day
20090725 03:18:27< Aethaeryn> Blueblaze: rematch? was a fun game
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20090725 03:20:56< Blueblaze> Aethaeryn: It was fun, but I'm very much worn out of it now :p
20090725 03:22:27< Aethaeryn> damn
20090725 03:22:37< Aethaeryn> I need to find another good diplomacy/largeish map like that
20090725 03:22:53< Blueblaze> I might release it sometime soon
20090725 03:24:27< Aethaeryn> anyone want to play some Wesband, then?
20090725 03:26:55< Aethaeryn> lol
20090725 03:27:19< Aethaeryn> I screwed with the random map generator in Wesband to make the starting (shop) map a giant clump of mountains
20090725 03:27:24< Aethaeryn> in the middle
20090725 03:27:51< Aethaeryn> the only person who joined is "joueur," which iirc means "player" in anther language, aka. "newbie who didn't even pick a username"
20090725 03:30:06 * Blueblaze has never played Wesband
20090725 03:30:52< Aethaeryn> Blueblaze: want to?
20090725 03:31:14< Blueblaze> not now
20090725 03:33:27< Blueblaze> Aethaeryn: I only tend to play maps that I want to play, and the maps that I almost ever want to play are the maps that I make :P
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20090725 03:58:59< Aethaeryn> Turuk: Damn it. You beat me to it.
20090725 03:59:07< Aethaeryn> "He's so sneaky, no one can see his bling."
20090725 03:59:28< Aethaeryn> I was going to say something along the lines of "He's that good, he can nightsalk *with* the gold..."
20090725 03:59:48< Aethaeryn> I should not have played a many, many hour game
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20090725 04:30:51< ancestral> Iron Mauler how your name stymies me
20090725 04:31:14< ancestral> What's more powerful than an Iron Mauler?
20090725 04:35:25< ancestral> Oh excellent I have found a good level 5 for the Halberdier
20090725 04:36:17< Turuk> Steel Mauler?
20090725 04:39:55< ancestral> Possibly. I have armored mauler, though, that's not much better.
20090725 04:40:46< ancestral> I have the Landsknecht as the level 5 Halberdier
20090725 04:41:41< Turuk> What about Juggernaut?
20090725 04:46:18< ancestral> That was suggested once
20090725 04:46:28< ancestral> I'm debating it
20090725 04:46:43< ancestral> Certainly better than "master level 4 unit"
20090725 04:47:24< ancestral> Juggernaut seems to imply something mechanical… though I suppose at some point the iron mauler is a guy in a tin can and at some point is almost more technology than he is human
20090725 04:47:58< ancestral> Perhaps I'll spring for it. Thanks Turuk :)
20090725 04:48:11< ancestral> I know I've been badgering you all with questions
20090725 04:50:02< Turuk> np
20090725 04:55:44< Aethaeryn> ancestral: Perhaps Titan Mauler?
20090725 04:56:06< ancestral> or Titanium Mauler haha
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20090725 05:29:53< ancestral> Heh that's a thought
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20090725 06:06:57< VurtualRuler98> Terminator.
20090725 06:07:03< VurtualRuler98> That been used yet? No? Use it.
20090725 06:07:21< VurtualRuler98> They're weak to cold and heat already, aren't they?
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20090725 08:40:30< jorrit> Hi
20090725 08:40:43< jorrit> I use the macro {INCOME 2 0 -2} for my second scenario.
20090725 08:40:55< jorrit> But at the start of the scenario my base income is 6.
20090725 08:41:01< jorrit> (in easy mode)
20090725 08:41:03< jorrit> Why isn't it 2?
20090725 08:43:45< jorrit> Another question as well. I see macros like NEW_GOLD_CARRYOVER_PRECENTAGE which seem to influence 'carryover_add' and other variables. But I can find no documention in the wiki.
20090725 08:45:04< Blueblaze> You can check what a macro does by actually looking at the macro code
20090725 08:45:11< jorrit> Well not in this case:
20090725 08:45:17< jorrit>     carryover_add=yes
20090725 08:45:17< jorrit>     carryover_percentage={PERCENTAGE}
20090725 08:45:20< jorrit> That's the body of the macro.
20090725 08:45:27< jorrit> But I can't find documentation on those two flags.
20090725 08:45:34< jorrit> Nor in what tag that they belong.
20090725 08:45:57< Blueblaze> http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/DirectActionsWML
20090725 08:46:07< Blueblaze> When the result is "victory" the following keys can be used:
20090725 08:46:09< Blueblaze>     * carryover_percentage: by default 80% of the gold is carried over to the next scenario, with this key the amount can be changed.
20090725 08:46:10< Blueblaze>     * carryover_add: if true the gold will be added to the starting gold the next scenario, if false the next scenario will start with the amount of the current scenario (after taxes) or the minimum in the next scenario. Default is false. 
20090725 08:46:13< jorrit> aha
20090725 08:46:29< jorrit> Never thought of looking in [endlevel] :-)
20090725 08:46:39< jorrit> Anyway, what is the problem with the INCOME macro?
20090725 08:48:30< Blueblaze> What exactly does the income macro do?
20090725 08:49:10< jorrit> Have to look it up. Hold on
20090725 08:50:05< jorrit>     {QUANTITY income {EASY_AMOUNT} {NORMAL_AMOUNT} {HARD_AMOUNT}}
20090725 08:50:08< jorrit> It is in utils.cfg
20090725 08:50:22< jorrit>     # Macro which will let you say {GOLD x y z} to set
20090725 08:50:22< jorrit>     # per-turn income depending on easy/medium/hard - x/y/z
20090725 08:50:37< jorrit> So I expected income 2 but I got 6.
20090725 08:50:49< Blueblaze> then lower the number by 4 and see what happens
20090725 08:51:21< Blueblaze> Also things like units and villages impact the income,
20090725 08:51:32< jorrit> yes, but I don't have any villages yet.
20090725 08:51:41< jorrit> And I thought units can only decrease income. Not increase it?
20090725 08:51:48< Blueblaze> correct
20090725 08:52:08< Blueblaze> So put -2 as the income for easy
20090725 08:52:17< jorrit> yes, trying that now.
20090725 08:52:43< jorrit> Nope
20090725 08:52:44< jorrit> Still 6
20090725 08:52:48< jorrit> The INCOME macro is just ignored.
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20090725 08:55:20< Blueblaze> Does your _main.cfg define the difficulties:     difficulties=EASY,NORMAL,HARD
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20090725 08:56:33< jorrit> yes
20090725 08:56:55< jorrit> The number of turns is influenced by the difficulty and that works.
20090725 08:57:01< jorrit>     {TURNS 20 17 14}
20090725 08:57:04< jorrit> This macro is ok.
20090725 08:58:15< Blueblaze> well instead of using the income macro, just put in your [side] definition for the player something like this:
20090725 08:58:23< Blueblaze> #ifdef EASY
20090725 08:58:25< Blueblaze>         gold=180
20090725 08:58:26< Blueblaze>         income=10
20090725 08:58:28< Blueblaze> #endif
20090725 08:58:34< Blueblaze> then you do it for each difficulty
20090725 08:59:06< Blueblaze> an example how this is done: http://pastebin.org/4124
20090725 08:59:11< Blueblaze> from the campaign Two Brothers
20090725 08:59:21< jorrit> Are the macros broken?
20090725 08:59:39< jorrit> I will try your suggestion in a moment. I'm having a bit of difficulty with how money works in Battle of Wesnoth.
20090725 08:59:46< jorrit> In scenario 1 I got 126 money at the end.
20090725 08:59:53< jorrit> I just did [endlevel] with victory with no modifications.
20090725 08:59:58< jorrit> And in next scenario I got 192.
20090725 09:00:09< jorrit> The minimum in next scenario was 120 so I don't know where the 192 comes from.
20090725 09:00:54< Vornicus> jorrit: I know that in the campaigns, money carries over.
20090725 09:01:05< jorrit> Well
20090725 09:01:17< Vornicus> Or some portion of it anyway.
20090725 09:01:19< jorrit> In the documentation of carryover_add it says that adding to starting gold is disabled by default.
20090725 09:01:21< Vornicus> I don't know how that works here.
20090725 09:01:25< jorrit> i.e. carryover_add=false by default.
20090725 09:01:26< Vornicus> ah, so
20090725 09:01:29< jorrit> At least that's what the wiki says.
20090725 09:01:35< jorrit>     *  carryover_percentage: by default 80% of the gold is carried over to the next scenario, with this key the amount can be changed.
20090725 09:01:35< jorrit>     * carryover_add: if true the gold will be added to the starting gold the next scenario, if false the next scenario will start with the amount of the current scenario (after taxes) or the minimum in the next scenario. Default is false. 
20090725 09:01:41< Blueblaze> jorrit: see this:
20090725 09:01:43< Blueblaze> bonus: whether the player should get bonus gold (maximum possible gold that could have been earned by waiting the level out). The default is bonus=yes. 
20090725 09:01:48< Blueblaze> The default has bonus enabled
20090725 09:02:00< jorrit> aah
20090725 09:02:10< Blueblaze> That is where the extra gold comes from
20090725 09:02:11< jorrit> Ok I get that part now.
20090725 09:03:15< Blueblaze> I doubt the macro is actually broken, although that might be possible. Most likely you're not using it correctly, so just use the other method I mentioned. I don't have a desire to go through and figure out what is wrong and the other method works just as fine and gives you more control
20090725 09:03:33< jorrit> I'm trying it now with your suggestion.
20090725 09:03:49< Vornicus> I'm going to put my money /against/ that being it.
20090725 09:03:50< Blueblaze> Two Brothers is an excellent campaign to use as an example for making your own because it is short and the WML coding is easy to understand
20090725 09:04:27< jorrit> Nope
20090725 09:04:28< jorrit> didn't work.
20090725 09:04:29< jorrit> Still 6.
20090725 09:04:32< jorrit> No matter what I do.
20090725 09:04:47< jorrit> http://pastebin.com/mb4ee198
20090725 09:04:53< jorrit> That's my current code in the side definition.
20090725 09:06:25< Blueblaze> You have #ifdef NORMAL twice
20090725 09:06:31< jorrit> Ok true
20090725 09:06:35< jorrit> But the difficulty is EASY
20090725 09:06:46< jorrit> And in any case, 6 isn't mentioned anywhere.
20090725 09:07:05< Blueblaze> post your _main.cfg file
20090725 09:07:36< jorrit> http://pastebin.com/m35fbe2a8
20090725 09:07:50< jorrit> brb
20090725 09:10:49< Blueblaze> Your difficult description looks quite funky
20090725 09:12:48< Blueblaze> Try copying the second exammple here: http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/DescriptionWML
20090725 09:13:06< Blueblaze> in fact you don't even have to adapt it, just copy paste it directly
20090725 09:13:31< Blueblaze> retest it, if it solves the income issue, then you can adapt it to fit the images/text you desire for your campaign
20090725 09:16:49< jorrit> Note that I'm not running my entire campaign again.
20090725 09:16:55< jorrit> I load the end of the previous level.
20090725 09:17:06< jorrit> And then go to the next to test.
20090725 09:17:30< jorrit> Income is still 6 :-(
20090725 09:17:40< Blueblaze> try to start from the beginning of the campaign
20090725 09:17:53< jorrit> Do you have to do that everytime something like that is changed?
20090725 09:17:57< jorrit> That's impossible to test that way.
20090725 09:18:06< jorrit> These scenarios take too long to play them again and again...
20090725 09:18:09< Blueblaze> If you modify the campaign file, you have to start from the beginning
20090725 09:18:34< jorrit> Anyway, I don't see how the descriptions of easy,normal,hard can have an influence on income?
20090725 09:18:40< jorrit> It is just a description.
20090725 09:19:12< jorrit> And it doesn't seem to work as well. There are no icons now.
20090725 09:19:14< jorrit> I just get text.
20090725 09:19:21< jorrit> With my description line I got icons for the difficulties.
20090725 09:19:28< Blueblaze> trry it anyway
20090725 09:19:36< jorrit> How do I get the icons back?
20090725 09:19:38< Blueblaze> The file path is pobably dated
20090725 09:20:22< Blueblaze> No one says you actually have to play through campaigns to test them
20090725 09:20:28< jorrit> 20090725 09:18:55 error display: could not open image 'portraits/Kitty/elvish-sorceress.png'
20090725 09:20:28< jorrit> 20090725 09:18:55 error display: could not open image 'units/elves-wood/elvish-fighter.png'
20090725 09:20:28< jorrit> 20090725 09:18:55 error display: could not open image 'units/elves-wood/elvish-hero.png'
20090725 09:20:28< jorrit> 20090725 09:18:55 error display: could not open image 'units/elves-wood/elvish-champion.png'
20090725 09:20:29< Blueblaze> You can always cheat via the :debug command
20090725 09:20:40< jorrit> Well my campaigns are a bit complicated.
20090725 09:20:46< jorrit> You get new units throughout play.
20090725 09:20:54< jorrit> And if you just cheat and go to the end you will not have them.
20090725 09:20:58< jorrit> And following scenarios will not work.
20090725 09:21:08< Blueblaze> replace the description images with your images
20090725 09:21:58< jorrit> I don't have time to replay the campaign now. Will do this later.
20090725 09:22:30< jorrit> Plus the fact that I don't really believe that the description of something can influence something like that.
20090725 09:22:39< jorrit> Especially since all other things that depend on EASY,NORMAL,HARD work.
20090725 09:23:36< jorrit> Actually
20090725 09:23:38< jorrit> I can do another test.
20090725 09:23:47< jorrit> I will just put income and gold without #ifdef at all.
20090725 09:23:52< jorrit> So it should take that no matter what. Right?
20090725 09:24:26< Blueblaze> yes
20090725 09:24:33< jorrit> 	gold=120
20090725 09:24:33< jorrit> 	income=-4
20090725 09:24:35< jorrit> Let me try that.
20090725 09:29:31< jorrit> Hmm
20090725 09:29:38< jorrit> If I set income to -4 it becomes -2.
20090725 09:29:43< jorrit> But with -2 it becomes 6
20090725 09:29:48 * jorrit is confused
20090725 09:29:55< jorrit> Something else is influencing the income.
20090725 09:31:09< jorrit> But anyway, the #ifdef EASY does work.
20090725 09:33:21< jorrit> I'll guess I just pick a value that comes out how I want it. But it would be nice to understand it too at some point :-)
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20090725 10:05:17< jorrit> Hi zookeeper
20090725 10:05:27< jorrit> zookeeper: you don't happen to know why I always seem to get 2 more income then I set?
20090725 10:05:39< jorrit> i.e. I set income=0 in my side definition and I get 2.
20090725 10:05:45< jorrit> If I set income=-4 I get -2
20090725 10:05:49< jorrit> I have no villages yet.
20090725 10:09:43< zookeeper> the base income is 2
20090725 10:10:04< zookeeper> but the default for income= is 0
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20090725 10:10:26< jorrit> ah so 'income' is added to the base income?
20090725 10:10:29< zookeeper> yes
20090725 10:10:36< jorrit> Ok, thanks for the information.
20090725 10:11:55< jorrit> BTW. I don't know if this is a bug in Wesnoth or a 'feature'. But yesterday I played my scenario and I had a character which was one point away from gaining a level. He was in the middle of enemies but they ignored him. I can see why. Hitting him would cause him to gain level and heal again but still it means that unit was essentially unattackable and could go anywhere.
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20090725 10:12:49< Blueblaze> feature
20090725 10:13:30< zookeeper> bug
20090725 10:13:33< jorrit> :-)
20090725 10:14:19< Blueblaze> well a smart AI would just trap the unit with ZoC and not let it move but not attack it either
20090725 10:14:38< jorrit> Blueblaze: that at least restricts the movement of the enemy.
20090725 10:14:48< Blueblaze> Our AI is far from smart though
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20090725 10:20:02< Vornicus> why isn't the character attacking?
20090725 10:20:16< jorrit> Vornicus: well if I attack I level up.
20090725 10:20:22< jorrit> And after that the enemy will attack me again.
20090725 10:20:23< Vornicus> ...which, yeah, okay.
20090725 10:20:44< jorrit> I think this can be used to let some unit go to a place where something beneficial can be done.
20090725 10:20:47< jorrit> Like getting some item or so.
20090725 10:20:57< jorrit> But of course getting a unit one point away from a new level is not very easy :-)
20090725 10:22:11< Blueblaze> Vornicus: Unless you have a reasonable (or any) ctk a unit that is 1 exp away from leveling up, it is pretty much stupid to attack it
20090725 10:22:19< Blueblaze> under most conditions
20090725 10:22:37< Blueblaze> There are always exceptions to that rule though
20090725 10:22:50< Blueblaze> And to pretty much every rule of gameplay that an AI should follow
20090725 10:23:27< zookeeper> well, you still have to deal with that unit at some point
20090725 10:23:45< zookeeper> so better attack it with some crappy unit to get it to level and them immediately attack it with others
20090725 10:25:29< Blueblaze> well, if you could honestly keep a unit contained with 2 cheap level 1 units, then that'd be good
20090725 10:31:35< zookeeper> sure. at least sometimes.
20090725 10:37:33< Ivanovic> moin
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20090725 11:23:44< Elvenisko> hello everyone. please, can you tell me, where in official campaigns i can find <option> list?
20090725 11:24:29< Vornicus> If it is what I think it is, try the tutorial.
20090725 11:24:47< jorrit> [option] is used in many scenarios. With 'grep' you can easily find it.
20090725 11:24:55< Elvenisko> great, thanks :)
20090725 11:25:11< Elvenisko> not in linux now :(
20090725 11:25:16< jorrit> Well me neither.
20090725 11:25:19< jorrit> Still using grep :-)
20090725 11:25:29< Vornicus> If it's another thing it might be, there's one in the novice-level 25 mission one, I think after mission 4?
20090725 11:25:47< jorrit> Elvenisko: even so in Windows you can search in directories too using normal explorer search.
20090725 11:25:57 * zookeeper uses windows grep
20090725 11:26:02< jorrit> yes me too
20090725 11:26:09< jorrit> brb
20090725 11:26:58< zookeeper> and it's very, very useful. whenever you want a further example of how something is done or used, just grep for it in the mainline campaigns and you usually find all the examples you could need.
20090725 11:27:03< Elvenisko> searching via pspad now :)
20090725 11:28:24 * Vornicus greps there, discovers many.
20090725 11:29:48< Vornicus> And yes, it's used in the tutorial mission, to let you pick who you want to play.
20090725 11:32:17< Elvenisko> adding to my campaign - user can choose, if he will send for archers or fighters as reinforces
20090725 11:32:33< Elvenisko> i know, my english is horrible :)
20090725 11:35:28< Vornicus> reinforcements.
20090725 11:36:15< Bilbo_Baggins> Your english seems fine to me Elven.. Good day everyone.  Did you finish your campaign of necros yet vornicus (I think it was you I was talking to, before.).  :)
20090725 11:36:28< Vornicus> It was not me.  I don't write campaigns.
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20090725 11:40:52< Elvenisko> Bilbo: my will be about false prophecy. strong warrior will believe, that he can save the land from necromancers. that prophecy will be a lie, created to bring heroes to the necromancers lair... interesting? :)
20090725 11:46:15< Bilbo_Baggins> Ooooo, Definately.  =D  I'm the kind of guy that roots for the bad guy.  (Albiet, I do not thing the bad guy, is actually bad!  LOL) :)
20090725 11:47:57< Elvenisko> bad ones? so bilbo baggins like Sauron and Saruman? :D
20090725 11:48:29< Bilbo_Baggins> I need to play wesnoth more.  I've just haven't gotten (reacently) into it yet (like I did Eye of the Beholder series, Menzoberrancen or BG1 and 2, IWD duo or NWN 1).... 
20090725 11:48:35< Bilbo_Baggins> Morgoth.
20090725 11:52:14< Bilbo_Baggins> I've read Tolkein.  =D
20090725 11:52:42< Bilbo_Baggins> Morgoth was the shit...but I "Loved" Fingolfin too.  He spat in the face of a hopeless fight!
20090725 11:53:51< Bilbo_Baggins> So, I guess, I do not "totally" root for the bad guy... :/  I hope the good guy, (against impossible odds) wins too.  Hell, I guess like my english teacher told me...I am a hopeless romantic.
20090725 11:53:59< Vornicus> Elvenisko: so in the last mission, I take it, the prophecy becomes true? :P
20090725 11:54:00< Elvenisko> greatest bad guy was tom bombardil :D
20090725 11:54:37< Elvenisko> Vornicus: last mission will be in the lair... but it will end good... i think :)
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20090725 11:56:31< Bilbo_Baggins> LMFAO
20090725 11:56:34< Bilbo_Baggins> I love Tom
20090725 11:56:42< Elvenisko> i have only one scenario completed yet :(
20090725 11:56:46< Bilbo_Baggins> But I feel he was Iluvitar
20090725 11:57:05< Vornicus> Iluvitar?
20090725 11:57:05< Elvenisko> i liked boromir :)
20090725 11:57:29 * Vornicus is personally a fan of the Ents.
20090725 11:57:57< Bilbo_Baggins> I like boromir also..., but I am a wizard by heart, so gandalf (and as far as the 3rd age goes, Saurman) were my fav's!.  =D
20090725 11:58:26< Bilbo_Baggins> You know how the dwarves were made?!  =D
20090725 12:01:13< Vornicus> I seem to recall looking this up the other day.
20090725 12:02:06< Bilbo_Baggins> I do not use slangs or slurs, for the most part of my sentances.
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20090725 12:23:54< Elvenisko> anybody know why my option do not work? :(
20090725 12:24:47< Elvenisko> http://pastebin.com/m2b3630ee
20090725 12:26:24< Elvenisko> maybe zookeeper know why :)
20090725 12:28:31< jorrit> Time to go. Thanks for the help.
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20090725 12:33:49< Elvenisko> it shows a table to choose. but there is no "OK" key. when clicking on any of them, nothing happens. it do not create any unit on the map. already simplier it to one arch/fight, but effect is the same :(
20090725 12:40:24< Soliton> what's "x,y={30,5}"?
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20090725 12:43:45< Elvenisko> how must it look?
20090725 12:44:33< Soliton> well, is it some macro call or what do the curly braces do there?
20090725 12:53:47< Elvenisko> position on x and y
20090725 12:54:36< Elvenisko> removing }
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20090725 13:07:13< Elvenisko> working, thanks :)
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20090725 14:00:14< Elvenisko> any idea abot in what format must be portraits?
20090725 14:02:36< zookeeper> ?
20090725 14:02:48< zookeeper> png would be nice
20090725 14:04:07< Soliton> rectangular if possible.
20090725 14:06:20< cib0> wait, there are non-rectangular pngs?
20090725 14:07:08< zookeeper> ...
20090725 14:07:17< zookeeper> :P
20090725 14:07:37< Bilbo_Baggins> http://www.maidenwine.com/bilbobagginsvideo.html
20090725 14:08:16< cib0> can't watch that for some reason, says plugin required
20090725 14:11:02< Elvenisko> 225x225 and 200x200 is not working, no idea why. i found working picture, but mine do not work. both are RGB, not indexed
20090725 14:12:41< zookeeper> your problem isn't with image dimensions.
20090725 14:13:14< zookeeper> (whatever the problem is, "not working" doesn't tell anything)
20090725 14:19:55< Elvenisko> portrait in the main screen is not working, portraits too.
20090725 14:20:25< zookeeper> then you don't have the image in the right place or haven't binary_pathed the right dir.
20090725 14:20:37< zookeeper> or you just have typed the path wrong.
20090725 14:21:02< Elvenisko> is in right place. when i add another picture here, it is woring :(
20090725 14:21:07< Elvenisko> working
20090725 14:21:26< zookeeper> right
20090725 14:21:41< Elvenisko> already deleted caqche and restarted pc
20090725 14:23:32< Elvenisko> any ideas? btw image was editing in gimp and than also paint
20090725 14:26:41< zookeeper> not really
20090725 14:32:47< Elvenisko> trying white square as picture now... without any success :(
20090725 14:34:48< zookeeper> well obviously it doesn't matter if the picture depicts a white square or an elf, if there's something broken about the image then it's something about the format itself. try to fix it somehow.
20090725 14:35:07< zookeeper> copy that image file which works and then edit that.
20090725 14:36:58< Elvenisko> doing it right now... and this is really mystery
20090725 14:37:45< Elvenisko> in campaign missing is squeeky.png, what works
20090725 14:38:14< Elvenisko> but only when it is named squeeky. when i rename it in main and in the name of the picture, it is not working
20090725 14:38:42< Elvenisko> also when i change this image (added some black lines), it displays older version without new lines
20090725 14:38:50< Elvenisko> also after removing the cache
20090725 14:39:04< Elvenisko> (i feel depressed :( )
20090725 14:39:11< Soliton> apparently you're not editing the image/WML that is actually getting used...
20090725 14:39:43< Elvenisko> you mean it takes image from another folder?
20090725 14:41:35< zookeeper> if you want someone to be able to tell you what's wrong, you need to upload the whole thing somewhere
20090725 14:41:44< Elvenisko> strange. it really takes images from another folder. from folder from another campaign. but why?
20090725 14:41:59< Elvenisko> okay, i am going to
20090725 14:42:30< zookeeper> because the game looks for an image in the images/ subdir of every [binary_path]ed dir
20090725 14:43:26< zookeeper> it doesn't know anything about where images belong, it just looks for the image in all those dirs and picks the first one it finds
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20090725 14:47:58< Elvenisko> http://www.edisk.sk/stahni/52163/elvenisko.zip_540.35KB.html
20090725 14:48:18< Elvenisko> okay, so why it do not find my images?
20090725 14:48:50< Elvenisko> Stiahnut subor = download (down in the page)
20090725 14:49:57< zookeeper> path=~add-ons/Forgotten_Destiny
20090725 14:50:24< zookeeper> remove the ~
20090725 14:50:30< zookeeper> we were over this several times yesterday :x
20090725 14:51:03< zookeeper> and add data/ in front if that's needed
20090725 14:51:25< Bilbo_Baggins> Please cage me...
20090725 14:51:36< Bilbo_Baggins> and Melt the key.
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20090725 14:53:00< Elvenisko> still nothing :(
20090725 14:53:21< Elvenisko> bilbo: whats going on?
20090725 14:53:43< zookeeper> Elvenisko, so what is the problem=
20090725 14:53:43< zookeeper> ?
20090725 14:54:12< zookeeper> it displays absolutely nothing as the campaign image or wherever it was you tried to use squeeky.png in?
20090725 14:54:17< Elvenisko> it shows nothing :(
20090725 14:54:31< Elvenisko> nothing from my images
20090725 14:54:33< zookeeper> both campaigns?
20090725 14:54:38< Elvenisko> only that squeeky works
20090725 14:54:59< zookeeper> ...
20090725 14:55:11< Elvenisko> both? interesting idea, i can try it in the second campaign
20090725 14:56:28< zookeeper> first you say that "it shows nothing" and then "only that squeeky works"
20090725 14:57:03< Elvenisko> okay. only that squeeky works. notňhing from mine
20090725 14:57:16< Elvenisko> tryied other campaign. my images works there :D
20090725 14:57:42< Elvenisko> what about removing that campaign?
20090725 14:59:05< zookeeper> works just fine for me.
20090725 14:59:59< zookeeper> and don't create conflicting images
20090725 15:00:30< zookeeper> i already explained how the image searching works
20090725 15:00:41 * Bilbo_Baggins np: 3 Doors Down - Be Like That (0:53 / 4:25)
20090725 15:00:46< Elvenisko> so... what to do now? reinstall? or what? :)
20090725 15:01:08< zookeeper> don't create image conflicts
20090725 15:01:20< zookeeper> do you want me to explain what an image conflict means?
20090725 15:01:40< Elvenisko> i just like to make jalenas.png work. i do not copy this anywhere
20090725 15:02:27< zookeeper> good lord. so it's not about squeeky? you could have said so.
20090725 15:03:13< zookeeper> one more time: what does not work?
20090725 15:03:21< Elvenisko> i thinks that you know it :)
20090725 15:03:49< Bilbo_Baggins> Zdravo
20090725 15:03:52< Elvenisko> does not work jalenas.png in the title screen and also not in the game
20090725 15:04:20< Elvenisko> kill husband and take her :)
20090725 15:04:23< Elvenisko> ups
20090725 15:04:25< Elvenisko> sorry
20090725 15:04:31< Elvenisko> wrong window :D
20090725 15:04:48< Bilbo_Baggins> Dobrý deň, já som vyzval William
20090725 15:04:55< zookeeper> how the heck do you know it doesn't work when you're not even telling the game to use it?
20090725 15:05:28< Elvenisko> not telling? did you see first scenario cfg? or what i have to do for working?
20090725 15:05:43< Bilbo_Baggins> Neviem ako vám poslať osobné správu pomocou tohto.
20090725 15:05:49< Elvenisko> biblo, go to the PM okay?
20090725 15:09:52< zookeeper> the portraits work just fine after the fixes i told you to make.
20090725 15:11:50< Elvenisko> ingame portraits now works, i am very happy :D
20090725 15:12:06< Elvenisko> now only that title screen
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20090725 15:17:41< Ssential> hello, I just have a short question. Is it normal that the loading time of save games is pretty long? around 30-1 min for me...
20090725 15:19:43< Elvenisko> yes, it can be...
20090725 15:19:45< Soliton> on windows it seems to take ages for some, yeah.
20090725 15:20:07< Ssential> hm yeah, I got the development version, so I don't know if it's because of that
20090725 15:20:13< Ssential> it's always for me though
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20090725 16:36:10< Aethaeryn> 1.8 > 1.6
20090725 16:36:12< Aethaeryn> So many new changes.
20090725 16:36:35< Aethaeryn> 1.6 didn't change *that* much, at least not as radically as 1.2 -> 1.4
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20090725 16:38:44< Aethaeryn> Improved UI, improved AI, impoved multiplayer server, new drake images...
20090725 16:46:23< Elvenisko> also delfadors memoires is now official
20090725 16:46:30< Elvenisko> and editor is better too
20090725 16:52:43< Elvenisko> btw is better 3 elv archers or 3 elv fighters + healer in forest scenario?
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20090725 16:54:21< Soliton> 3 woses
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20090725 16:56:49< Aethaeryn> Soliton: Depends on who you're fighting. I'd much rather have 3 elvish rangers vs. drakes
20090725 16:57:20< Aethaeryn> Elvenisko: archers > fighters in pure forests, but if you don't get any fighters at all, the archers *will* die.
20090725 16:57:39< Aethaeryn> Fighters are the blockers, and are more expendable than archers. If I play elves, I make sure only the fighters die if I can.
20090725 16:58:54< Aethaeryn> If the said scenario is a campaign, try to get two healers, btw. One (hopefully dextrous) as a sorceress and one (hopefully quick/resilient or something similar) as a druid.
20090725 16:59:05< Aethaeryn> Which of course is more than your gold implies.
20090725 17:00:40< Elvenisko> fighting orcs and goblins
20090725 17:01:09< Aethaeryn> You definitely want a mix.
20090725 17:01:36< Aethaeryn> You need the fighters to block the other units during defense to give damage in retaliation... and you need archers to do the bulk of the damage on your turn since they'll take no retal against melee units.
20090725 17:03:04< Elvenisko> i agree. player have a small base, and in 6th turn can call a backup - 3 arch or 3fighters + shaman. now i am thinking about how to make this 2 choices with same power. maybe adding some exps to archers...
20090725 17:03:28< Elvenisko> agree, good tactics
20090725 17:04:09< Elvenisko> good one is also upgrade to captain as fast as possible
20090725 17:04:49< Aethaeryn> It depends on which you need more.
20090725 17:05:07< Aethaeryn> Probably only have enough fighters to block, and feed the xp to one fighter to be captain.
20090725 17:05:13< Aethaeryn> If you don't have a shaman get one.
20090725 17:05:46< Aethaeryn> I love the pure usefulness of shamans, especially both lvl 2 forms.
20090725 17:06:26< Elvenisko> what do you think about adding 8exp to all 3 archers?
20090725 17:07:07< Aethaeryn> It's up to you...
20090725 17:07:15< Aethaeryn> But I always try to feed xp into shamans in campaigns.
20090725 17:07:40< Aethaeryn> They're mostly useless, don't really kill on their own, but a sorceress can make an offensive much better, and a druid can make a defensive much better.
20090725 17:08:12< Aethaeryn> Unlike mages, they're not going to be getting many kills unless you make an effort.
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20090725 18:09:15< Aethaeryn> I have an evil idea.
20090725 18:09:34< Aethaeryn> For an era.
20090725 18:13:33< Elvenisko> era of pokemons? :)
20090725 18:13:52< Aethaeryn> Nah.
20090725 18:14:07< Aethaeryn> Era of mix-'n-matched factions.
20090725 18:14:18< Aethaeryn> Entirely mainline-compatable.
20090725 18:14:37< Aethaeryn> For instance, take the Drakes from the Drake faction minus the saurains...
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20090725 18:14:50< Aethaeryn> and put them in a faction with orcs minus the naga (and troll?)
20090725 18:15:50< Aethaeryn> Or take the outlaws from the Knalgan alliance, add the thug line, and match 'em with Undead.
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20090725 18:16:11< Aethaeryn> And then take the Dwarves left over minus the gryphon and match them with loyalists
20090725 18:16:34< Aethaeryn> The potential is endless since there are so many mainline units.
20090725 18:19:06< Aethaeryn> The Drake-Orc faction, for instance, would be the Blood and Fire Pact.
20090725 18:20:49< Aethaeryn> And it would shake-up gameplay: for instance, no healers for the Drakes anymore.
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20090725 18:34:51< Soliton> ..or just play PYR?
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20090725 18:49:19< Aethaeryn> Soliton: With pick your own recruits you can pick your own recruits. This simply shuffles your choices.
20090725 18:50:42 * zookeeper doesn't get it
20090725 18:51:46< zookeeper> you mean just an era with different factions composed of core units?
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20090725 18:56:51< Aethaeryn> zookeeper: Yes.
20090725 18:57:11< Aethaeryn> At least initially.
20090725 18:57:42< Aethaeryn> Kind of like Great War, except with a different theme.
20090725 18:58:25< Aethaeryn> Blood and Fire Pact (Drake-Orc), Steel Alliance (Loy-Dwarf), Unholy Outcasts (Undead-Outlaws)
20090725 18:59:45< Aethaeryn> Such an easy concept I already made it. :P
20090725 19:05:41 * Elvenisko do not like it.
20090725 19:06:17< Bilbo_Baggins> Are you back Elvenisko?  Do you mind if I speak to you.
20090725 19:11:02< Elvenisko> working now :)
20090725 19:12:52< Vornicus> loy-dwarf?  A dwarf with a loy?
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20090725 19:38:10< Bilbo_Baggins> Does anyone know of any MUDS that are still running?  I tried to find out about something called Medevia (and it sounded great), but I could not get an address or port
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20090725 20:00:25< Bilbo_Baggins> I "Kind" of want to play Brotherhood of Light, but has anyone finished a necros version?  Just asking.  Ooo, I cannot wait to learn the how to write a addon.  Mine will be "I hope" good.  I have so much story in my head.  =D
20090725 20:02:45< Bilbo_Baggins> I'm scared... I gave up EQ2 and became SOLO linux.....but I think I may be finding a new addiction....but this one will help me learn how to prog again.... Other then G0 = Rapid Traverse G1 = Circulard interpolation cw and G2=CCW  LOL
20090725 20:03:40< Bilbo_Baggins> Yes, I'm a Lathe Operator...(who also know's how to code his lathes... =D )
20090725 20:04:51< Bilbo_Baggins> I use to think of "Heaven" as a library, but I think of heaven now as me being a Geppetho ... (spelling may be wrong)
20090725 20:05:54< Bilbo_Baggins> I want to make toys.  For children.  I want to know that my toys make them happy.
20090725 20:06:19< Bilbo_Baggins> I'm sry, I'm an idiot.
20090725 20:07:13< Bilbo_Baggins> But if "Anyone" believes me to be a pedofile.....I wish them to run from me...
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20090725 20:07:30 * Aethaeryn slowly backs away
20090725 20:07:40< Bilbo_Baggins> I'm sorry.
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20090725 20:08:16< Bilbo_Baggins> Was St. Nickolas a pedo?  If so, so am I.
20090725 20:08:44< Vornicus> Yay toys
20090725 20:10:03< Bilbo_Baggins> What do you want?  Vornicus.
20090725 20:10:49< Bilbo_Baggins> Not something I cannot give, but something that really makes you remember, that really makes you happy.  =D
20090725 20:10:50< Aethaeryn> Vornicus: Do not get in his van.
20090725 20:12:02< Bilbo_Baggins> I use to play with Legos....But what made me happy was playing with them, with my brother...who is now in afganastan.
20090725 20:12:39< Bilbo_Baggins> And is now a bullet vest for the US Gov.
20090725 20:13:52< Turuk> What branch of the service is he in?
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20090725 20:16:12< Bilbo_Baggins> I still have my little man...I did him so much wrong when I was even stupider then now.  I use to leave him alone in my apt. at the age of 12 (playing games on my comp) to go drink at the bar and to bring back my drunken / stoned / FUCKED up friends back to my apt...who where not friends at all.  Tim?  He's in the National Guard (FULL TIME.  E7, could be higher (I wish he was so he could push pens, but he wants to protrect
20090725 20:16:58< Turuk> sergeant first class, got it
20090725 20:17:02< Bilbo_Baggins> He went into the navy to keep my other bro out of Afgan....he got booted.
20090725 20:17:13< Bilbo_Baggins> e?
20090725 20:17:23< Bilbo_Baggins> e1?
20090725 20:17:30< Turuk> what?
20090725 20:17:45< Bilbo_Baggins> No
20090725 20:18:03< Bilbo_Baggins> My bro is a staff sgt...so your a e6
20090725 20:18:19< Turuk> you said e7
20090725 20:18:23< Turuk> that's a sergeant first class
20090725 20:18:26< Bilbo_Baggins> Nod
20090725 20:18:29< Bilbo_Baggins> Tim
20090725 20:18:49< Turuk> so what is he?
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20090725 20:18:59< Turuk> an e-7 or an e-6
20090725 20:19:05< Bilbo_Baggins> I know he's e7
20090725 20:19:15< Turuk> that's sergeant first class then
20090725 20:19:30< Bilbo_Baggins> Kk.  Sry.... I never got in.  I'm too fat.
20090725 20:19:44< Bilbo_Baggins> That always pissed me off.  Send me to a FAT FARM
20090725 20:19:52< Bilbo_Baggins> I can take it!
20090725 20:20:06< Blueblaze> If someone wants to enlist who is too fat, they should send them to perpetual boot camp until they've lost the weight
20090725 20:20:17< Aethaeryn> lol
20090725 20:20:19< Aethaeryn> Yes.
20090725 20:20:22< Bilbo_Baggins> Exactly!
20090725 20:20:28< Bilbo_Baggins> I would LOVE that@!
20090725 20:20:35< Bilbo_Baggins> I guess I'm a sado too!
20090725 20:20:37< Bilbo_Baggins> LOL
20090725 20:20:52< Turuk> Blueblaze: except that the fact that they couldn't lose weight on their own if they truly wished to enlist only shows they lack the discipline that would be required later on.
20090725 20:21:58< Bilbo_Baggins> The problem is, I'm a clydsdale.
20090725 20:22:05< Bilbo_Baggins> I'm big, but I can keep going.
20090725 20:22:33< Blueblaze> Turuk: Did they draft people who were overweight?
20090725 20:23:01< Turuk> I have guys like that, but if you can't pass a PT test, how the hell are you going to run in combat
20090725 20:23:13< Bilbo_Baggins> Hell, I'm an eagle scout.  I hiked Seventy Five miles though the Sirra Nevadas...I use to canooe and portage that, every year, without breaking a sweat....
20090725 20:23:17< Turuk> Blueblaze: They tried.  Think of this too, obesity wasn't nearly as big an issue
20090725 20:23:24< Blueblaze> Yeah
20090725 20:23:42< Bilbo_Baggins> We wont, but we can stop the bullets from hitting anyone else.  =D
20090725 20:24:00< Blueblaze> My concern is that obesity is become a very big issue and chances are that won't chance, that means it'll be skinny people first in combat :|
20090725 20:24:02< Bilbo_Baggins> Like a flesh tank.
20090725 20:24:52< Blueblaze> second chance -> change
20090725 20:25:13< Bilbo_Baggins> But I wasn't obease when I tried to join.  I was 5 11 220 lbs.... I couldn't run the best mile, but I could take anything anyone had to throw at me....NOW, I'm obease
20090725 20:25:30< Blueblaze> 5'11 220lbs is obese
20090725 20:25:31< Blueblaze> sorry
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20090725 20:25:58< Turuk> Blueblaze: That already happens
20090725 20:26:05< Bilbo_Baggins> No, I'm now that and 300 pounds.
20090725 20:26:28< Turuk> Heavier people get turned down for deployment all the time, they can't pass the medical
20090725 20:27:31< Blueblaze> Bilbo_Baggins: Just because you are fatter than you were, doesn't me your past state wasn't obese as well
20090725 20:27:35< Bilbo_Baggins> Hell, my bro, that I noticed, Is getting chunky by "Mil" standards....  I feel bad for him, but he's 11 years in.
20090725 20:27:58< Bilbo_Baggins> I know.
20090725 20:28:04< Bilbo_Baggins> But I felt well then
20090725 20:28:07< Bilbo_Baggins> I do not now.
20090725 20:28:20< Bilbo_Baggins> That is how I judge it.  I do not care what DOCS, say.
20090725 20:28:36< Bilbo_Baggins> I was private pyle
20090725 20:28:52< Bilbo_Baggins> Now, I'm just a fatass
20090725 20:29:55< Bilbo_Baggins> But, do know this.  If I have to pick up a gun and run, no matter my weight... I will, to my death is we are invaded.
20090725 20:30:44< Bilbo_Baggins> Not for the US, but for Patracy.... For my Mom, Dad, and my Brothers.
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20090725 20:31:18< Bilbo_Baggins> I will die for them without flinching.
20090725 20:31:56< Blueblaze> When I type "patracy" in Wiktionary.com, it asks me if I meant "piracy"
20090725 20:32:06< Bilbo_Baggins> LMFAO
20090725 20:32:46< Bilbo_Baggins> Have you tried the new MSN site?  I cannot thing what the name is off my head.
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20090725 20:33:16< Blueblaze> Bing.com
20090725 20:33:20< Bilbo_Baggins> YES
20090725 20:33:28< Blueblaze> And it sucks, I don't want a website "making decisions" for me
20090725 20:33:39< Blueblaze> I have a brain for that, thank you
20090725 20:34:27< Bilbo_Baggins> I also read about something that a "Genius" wrote too.  I also forget that name....It was in my mag that I subscribe to for hardware purposes....Maximum PC...
20090725 20:34:29< Blueblaze> I think it is an excuse to get people to install Microsoft Silverlight
20090725 20:34:41< Bilbo_Baggins> Oh, I HATE SIlverlight
20090725 20:34:51< Bilbo_Baggins> I just run Linux, so I'm good.  =d
20090725 20:35:13< Bilbo_Baggins> Can wesnoth be played on windoze?
20090725 20:35:34< Blueblaze> Windows?
20090725 20:35:40< Bilbo_Baggins> Nod, sry.
20090725 20:36:01< Blueblaze> Most people play Wesnoth on Windows
20090725 20:36:10< Bilbo_Baggins> Really?!
20090725 20:36:25< Bilbo_Baggins> That is mind numbing to me...
20090725 20:36:44< Blueblaze> Most computers purchased have Windows installed on it
20090725 20:36:49< Blueblaze> Makes perfect sense to me
20090725 20:37:13< Bilbo_Baggins> Nod, but I was in the impression that wesnoth was a Linux game.... I'm kinda sad now... =D
20090725 20:37:25< Blueblaze> Wesnoth is a multiplatform game
20090725 20:37:40< Blueblaze> Almost every major platform runs Wesnoth
20090725 20:38:06< Blueblaze> Well, now that the iPhone runs Wesnoth (or so I've heard), I can now say every major platform does run it
20090725 20:38:19< Bilbo_Baggins> Based off of C##  (I do not know C## but I know a little of c and cplus.)
20090725 20:38:26< Turuk> I play Wesnoth on mac and windows
20090725 20:38:51< Blueblaze> I play it on Ubuntu and Windows
20090725 20:39:02< Bilbo_Baggins> I still want to build a hackintosh... =D  Just to play with leopard.  =D
20090725 20:39:04< Blueblaze> ask me in about a month, I'll probably have Mac added to that list
20090725 20:39:39< Bilbo_Baggins> you a devel too Blue?  TY for not having me booted, before.
20090725 20:40:24< Bilbo_Baggins> Or, thank you for a second chance.  I'll try to be good, but I am a drunk...been one since 1997
20090725 20:40:37< Blueblaze> Not sure that works in the military either
20090725 20:41:31< Bilbo_Baggins> LOL, it does, and it doesn't...but it doesn't work like I'm a drunk.....I can drink brit sailors under....(that is not a badge of honor, but one of shame for me.)
20090725 20:41:32< Blueblaze> No I'm not a dev, but I've been 'around' this project for a few years now. Mainly I make multiplayer scenarios
20090725 20:42:28< Bilbo_Baggins> Will that scenerio end up with the Necros?  (sry I've kinda always rooted for the underdog, wether good or bad.  =D
20090725 20:43:33< Bilbo_Baggins> I love this song....
20090725 20:43:36 * Bilbo_Baggins np: Johnny Mathis - Johnny Mathis - Theme From Summer of '42 (The Summer Knows).mp3 (0:25 / 2:40)
20090725 20:43:58< Bilbo_Baggins> God, I wish I could live this song out....
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20090725 20:45:00< Bilbo_Baggins> With her... the perfect, most perty women that I could ever know.... :/
20090725 20:46:52< Bilbo_Baggins> I do not think she is comming anymore... So it's just me.
20090725 20:58:39< Bilbo_Baggins> Jesus, I freaking hate people (to a point) there like herpes.
20090725 20:59:05< ancestral> Bilbo_Baggins: How's the conversation going with yourself?
20090725 21:00:55< Bilbo_Baggins> Not good
20090725 21:01:07< Bilbo_Baggins> But not good
20090725 21:01:39< Bilbo_Baggins> I can be silent for wiseguys.... But it hurts
20090725 21:02:37< Bilbo_Baggins> I have pms that do not stop... ugh...I need to learn how to use irssi to ignore.
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20090725 21:09:40< zookeeper> woohoo.
20090725 21:10:08< ancestral> And there was much rejoicing. "Yay."
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20090725 21:10:35< Blueblaze> And of course this was totally unrelated to Bilbo_Baggins leaving, just a mere coincidence
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20090725 21:13:43< Turuk> oh of course
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20090725 21:54:39< Bilbo_Baggins> Anyone still online?  Can anyone actually show me how to play well!  LMFAO
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20090725 21:55:40< Turuk_> Don't die.
20090725 21:56:29< Bilbo_Baggins> I won't die.... That's God's Curse to me, for some ungodly reason.
20090725 21:57:10< Bilbo_Baggins> Can you play me Turuk?  You will kick my ass, but.... It's a learning exp for me.
20090725 21:57:25< Turuk_> I would but I'm currently in a game
20090725 21:57:40< Bilbo_Baggins> Ah, nod... Kk.
20090725 21:59:02< Bilbo_Baggins> Anyone want to show a "TOTAL" newb how wesnoth runs in multi?  I'm running linux, and I am a total newb, so I will need some talk through on how to connect, but I'm also a genius savant....LMFAO and MMoG!
20090725 21:59:34< Bilbo_Baggins> I wish!  LMFAO
20090725 21:59:56< Bilbo_Baggins> I'm running irssi, does that give me points?!  LOL
20090725 22:01:01< zookeeper> LULUL
20090725 22:01:30< Turuk_> Run Wesnoth
20090725 22:01:33< Turuk_> Click Multiplayer
20090725 22:01:34< Turuk_> Enjoy
20090725 22:03:34< Bilbo_Baggins> WOOOOOOT
20090725 22:03:42< Bilbo_Baggins> It's "Kinda" like DIablo II
20090725 22:03:48< Bilbo_Baggins> Server wise
20090725 22:03:55< Bilbo_Baggins> Not game play wise.
20090725 22:06:07< Bilbo_Baggins> How do I talk to live players via game?
20090725 22:07:11< Soliton> press "m".
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20090725 22:08:43< Bilbo_Baggins> I need to learn how to speak egyptian, I think.
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20090725 22:09:52< Aethaeryn> Of the two horsemen I have, one is named Aethary and the other is named Aethury
20090725 22:09:58< Aethaeryn> They are brothers 
20090725 22:10:32< Bilbo_Baggins> Holy shit, I get to play now.
20090725 22:10:34< Bilbo_Baggins> LOL
20090725 22:10:48< Turuk_> aywaa
20090725 22:11:46< Blueblaze> Bilbo_Baggins: How old are you?
20090725 22:12:40< Bilbo_Baggins> 31...and I'm pissing off some egyptians, I am sure of this.
20090725 22:13:10< Bilbo_Baggins> How do I speak in game /m?
20090725 22:13:25< Turuk_> just press m and type something
20090725 22:15:23< Bilbo_Baggins> Ok, what is a Good "Starter" one for someone that has just gotten to the "Isle of the damned" in single player mode.
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20090725 22:16:01< Bilbo_Baggins> Kk
20090725 22:18:55< Bilbo_Baggins> Can you tell me what server to join blue and possibly a totally newb place to go for multi.  WOW....I respect the people who wrote this, now.  I AM TRULY SORRY FOR BEING A JACKASS BEFOERE EVERYONE....Especially to Dragonking.
20090725 22:19:20< Bilbo_Baggins> There has been a LOT of time put into this...and a lot of work.
20090725 22:19:30< Bilbo_Baggins> FORGIVE ME, PLEASE.
20090725 22:20:30< Bilbo_Baggins> I am sincere when I say I apologize....Hell, I repent.  You people put more into this game then most "FOR PROFIT" people would!
20090725 22:21:39< Turuk_> Why is it that upon joining multiplayer that you realize how much work has gone into the game?
20090725 22:21:42< Bilbo_Baggins> I am sober enough, right now, to say that and mean it.....if I say something different in the future, please just ignore it.
20090725 22:22:47< Bilbo_Baggins> Because I've played, and Loved NWN's and NWN's II Baldurs gate I and II IWD I and II....etc....and those were propiet games.
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20090725 22:23:12< Bilbo_Baggins> But Your multi compared to Diablo II
20090725 22:23:21< Bilbo_Baggins> WHICH is NO SMALL FEAT!
20090725 22:23:40< Turuk_> We are a turn-based strategy game, none of those that you mentioned are turn based, just RPG
20090725 22:23:49< Turuk_> maybe the issue was that you were comparing different genres
20090725 22:24:00< Bilbo_Baggins> Possibly.  
20090725 22:24:40< Bilbo_Baggins> That is possibly my weakness... I love the rpg....not the "old skool" warcraft / starcraft.
20090725 22:24:52< Bilbo_Baggins> Redalert command and conqurer
20090725 22:25:16< Blueblaze> And all of those mentioned are RTS, not TBS
20090725 22:25:59< Bilbo_Baggins> I've heard that, but I do not understand....I'm thinking this game is like a gamecube game that a friend of mine use to play.
20090725 22:26:35< Bilbo_Baggins> My problem is, I want to be the baddest necro...with the most spells....and be able to cast them as I will.
20090725 22:26:43< Bilbo_Baggins> Or mage
20090725 22:26:47< Bilbo_Baggins> Or Fighter
20090725 22:26:52< Bilbo_Baggins> or Thief...
20090725 22:26:54< Bilbo_Baggins> LOL
20090725 22:27:20< Turuk_> You are looking for an RPG gamestyle
20090725 22:27:23< Turuk_> We are not an RPG
20090725 22:28:04< Bilbo_Baggins> I know, but I still love the game.....For some wierd reason....I keep looking to it in my repos and installing it....it's just reacently that i've talked about it.
20090725 22:28:37< Aethaeryn> Turuk_: I'm going to have to defend Bilbo_Baggins here. Wesnoth is way more enjoyable than open source RPGs I've played.
20090725 22:28:42< Bilbo_Baggins> It'll take a lot of learning for me, but I thinkI can do it.
20090725 22:28:52< Aethaeryn> KenOh's Weband > NetHack with GUI
20090725 22:28:54< Bilbo_Baggins> NOD
20090725 22:29:09< Turuk_> Defend him how?  I'm not attacking him, I'm stating that we are not an RPG
20090725 22:29:11< Aethaeryn> Almost every open source RPG ignores KISS, and has a steep learning curve.
20090725 22:29:23< Turuk_> Aethaeryn: Unless you are partial to some aspect of Wesnoth that I'mnot
20090725 22:29:30< Aethaeryn> Might not be a "true" RPG but you can have some RPG elements.
20090725 22:29:33< Aethaeryn> And RPG scenarios.
20090725 22:29:45< Bilbo_Baggins> Oh, do not feel Turuk was attacking me.  I should have been booted a while ago for being a jackass.
20090725 22:29:56< Turuk_> sigh
20090725 22:30:02< Turuk_> RPG elements do not make an RPG game
20090725 22:30:04< Aethaeryn> Labyrinth of Champions and Fall of Trent (especially with Bob's RPG era, I'm not sure if it's for 1.6 though), Brotherhood of Light... 
20090725 22:30:05< Bilbo_Baggins> I'm sorry turuk
20090725 22:30:05< Blueblaze> Aethaeryn: "Wesnoth is way more enjoyable than open source RPGs I've played." And Turuk countered that claim when?
20090725 22:30:17< Blueblaze> He just said Wesnoth wasn't an RPG
20090725 22:30:18< Aethaeryn> There *are* Wesnoth RPGs.
20090725 22:30:28< Bilbo_Baggins> I miss the Gold Box DnD Games....LOL
20090725 22:30:28< Turuk_> aiosjhgio;ai;ohaiga
20090725 22:30:28< Aethaeryn> Wesnoth may not *primarily* be an RPG
20090725 22:30:30< Turuk_> Yes, there ARE wesnoth rpgs
20090725 22:30:35< Turuk_> but Wesnoth itself is not an RPG
20090725 22:30:36< Blueblaze> That doesn't make Wesnoth an RPG
20090725 22:30:45< Turuk_> and those rpgs are still manipulating turn-based strategy gameplay
20090725 22:30:53< Bilbo_Baggins> Oh....STOP
20090725 22:30:59< Aethaeryn> Eh, yes, but for certain people when they say RPG they mean fantasy-themed :P
20090725 22:31:02< Bilbo_Baggins> I did not mean to start a fight.
20090725 22:31:08< Blueblaze> Aethaeryn: Then those people need dictionaries
20090725 22:31:19< Aethaeryn> But, I guess we're arguing different points.
20090725 22:31:24< Aethaeryn> So forget I said anything.
20090725 22:31:30< Turuk_> Aethaeryn: So you are basing your argument on an ill-informed defintion of RPG?
20090725 22:31:44< Bilbo_Baggins> FUCK, I'm a fucking Troll no matter what I do..... Can I have a bridge somewhere in wesnoth!
20090725 22:32:34< Turuk_> you're not a troll, you weren't even doing anything annoying any more until the cussing
20090725 22:32:54< Bilbo_Baggins> I'm sorry I cursed.
20090725 22:33:03< Bilbo_Baggins> I really am.
20090725 22:33:42< Bilbo_Baggins> Can I still have a bridge?  Name it "william's trolling"  LOL
20090725 22:34:15< Bilbo_Baggins> That's my name, btw.
20090725 22:34:23< Blueblaze> Bilbo_Baggins: Do you have a girlfriend?
20090725 22:34:24< Bilbo_Baggins> Bill / William
20090725 22:35:39< Bilbo_Baggins> Yes, I am.
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20090725 22:35:46< Bilbo_Baggins> But I'm not 40, so P
20090725 22:36:55< Blueblaze> Is "[15:35] <Bilbo_Baggins> Yes, I am." an answer to my question, or a reply to his own statement "[15:34] <Bilbo_Baggins> Bill / William"?
20090725 22:37:26< Bilbo_Baggins> My name is William?
20090725 22:37:34< Blueblaze> Bilbo_Baggins: Do you have a girlfriend?
20090725 22:37:39< Bilbo_Baggins> No
20090725 22:37:53< Bilbo_Baggins> Are you a girl?
20090725 22:37:54< Bilbo_Baggins> =D
20090725 22:38:17< Bilbo_Baggins> I'm sorry.
20090725 22:39:25< Blueblaze> Do you live at home with your parents?
20090725 22:39:37< Bilbo_Baggins> If you are, and if your a dev...drool, I've always wanted a women that was better then me...Why, Honestly, I want a women better the Sir Isaac Newton, Einstien.....No, I do not.
20090725 22:39:53< Bilbo_Baggins> I make 36,000 a year.
20090725 22:40:08< Bilbo_Baggins> Not a lot, but good for my area.
20090725 22:40:21< Bilbo_Baggins> And I'm still employed, with overtime.
20090725 22:40:25< Bilbo_Baggins> In the US.
20090725 22:41:04< Turuk_> blueblaze is not a dev, but he's a fairly attractive woman
20090725 22:41:14< Turuk_> are having all your teeth a requirement?
20090725 22:41:15< Bilbo_Baggins> I live in the midwest, far south of Chicago..... ..I..
20090725 22:41:37< Bilbo_Baggins> I caught the "he's"
20090725 22:41:55< Bilbo_Baggins> I like "WOMEN".
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20090725 22:42:34< Bilbo_Baggins> I want a hobbit girl.
20090725 22:42:40< Turuk_> hey, when he dresses up at night, you couldn't even tell the difference
20090725 22:42:51< Bilbo_Baggins> :P
20090725 22:42:53< Bilbo_Baggins> LMAO
20090725 22:42:55< Blueblaze> Bilbo_Baggins: Is that code for a fat short girl?
20090725 22:43:14< Bilbo_Baggins> A stocky short girl, but, yes. =D
20090725 22:44:33< Bilbo_Baggins> Isn't this off topic....Hell, I LOVE the music for the game....I Know I can help in that department, though.....Not rock....I'm a Motzart / Billy Joel kinda' dude.
20090725 22:45:24< Bilbo_Baggins> I can learn.  I wish to be a "spat on Dev".... really...I would love it.  =D
20090725 22:45:54< Bilbo_Baggins> I need to learn C++, right?
20090725 22:47:17< Bilbo_Baggins> Hell, if you've seen the movie "Superbad" I'm 'loosly' like Seth
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20090725 22:47:51< Blueblaze> How could you help Wesnoth in relation to music?
20090725 22:47:58< Bilbo_Baggins> About the same build.  LOL
20090725 22:48:05< Bilbo_Baggins> I love music.
20090725 22:49:34< Bilbo_Baggins> I know every song that is a Hymn to Motzart to BIlly Joel...to (ugh...eminem)......I was, at one time, a collegete music major.   If I can do something with a purpose, with it....hell, I would be in "HEAVEN".
20090725 22:50:00< Bilbo_Baggins> I like Harmony and melody.
20090725 22:50:19< Bilbo_Baggins> Yours is not bad, I love it, but it seems monotomous
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20090725 22:50:53< Bilbo_Baggins> I cannot program it, as of yet, but I can make music.
20090725 22:51:10< Bilbo_Baggins> Although....LOL
20090725 22:51:38< Bilbo_Baggins> I did make the jeopardy jingle play for a game I wrote in ibm qbasic.
20090725 22:51:57< Bilbo_Baggins> But that was a "DAY" ago... LOL
20090725 22:52:18< Blueblaze> bye Bilbo_Baggins
20090725 22:52:20< Blueblaze> Have a nice day!
20090725 22:52:34< Bilbo_Baggins> You too.
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20090725 22:54:14< Bilbo_Baggins> Oh, fyi, I have been in two Collegete productions and a High School one too.
20090725 23:00:57< Bilbo_Baggins> What do the red people mean?
20090725 23:02:43< Turuk_> those are people currently in games
20090725 23:03:12< Bilbo_Baggins> Kk.  Ty.
20090725 23:04:38< Bilbo_Baggins> Also, I'm not you atypical yutz...I've had music theory....(I was good at it, I just wasn't sure why!  =D ugh )
20090725 23:06:57< Bilbo_Baggins> What is the blue loooking name?
20090725 23:13:57< Turuk_> people in the game you highlighted?
20090725 23:17:53< Bilbo_Baggins> I FUCKING HATE MY BROTHER
20090725 23:19:42< Bilbo_Baggins> I "WANT" to be sober, I want to be able to call my parents and tell them Were not comming....but I canot.  I'm drunk.  I feel like "maybe' if I called anyway, I might be ok....
20090725 23:19:53< Bilbo_Baggins> I'll leave it up to irc.
20090725 23:19:56< Bilbo_Baggins> Should I call?
20090725 23:20:16< Bilbo_Baggins> There old
20090725 23:20:23< Bilbo_Baggins> I do not want to hurt them.
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20090725 23:22:34< Bilbo_Baggins> First, I still want more beer.....but second...I'm drunk...I cannot get my piece of shit brother up to even call my parents and tell them were not comming.......I want to call my mom, but I'm drunk......I am about ready too.
20090725 23:23:01< Turuk_> This is not a self-help channel
20090725 23:23:20< Bilbo_Baggins> Sorry, that was supposed to be a msg.  I TOTALLY apologize
20090725 23:23:22< Turuk_> Grow some balls, have some discipline, and if it's creating so many issues, then stop drinking.
20090725 23:23:41< Turuk_> Call your parents, tell them that you're drunk again, and you won't be coming, but that you'll visit them tomorrow sober.
20090725 23:24:01< Bilbo_Baggins> Lets put it this way...My mom is "almost" Crist on earth.
20090725 23:24:14< Bilbo_Baggins> Thank you.
20090725 23:24:17< Bilbo_Baggins> I will.
20090725 23:24:24< Bilbo_Baggins> I will grow some balls.
20090725 23:24:35< Bilbo_Baggins> I'm trying too.
20090725 23:24:39< Bilbo_Baggins> I really am
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20090725 23:33:14< Bilbo_Baggins> You know what.
20090725 23:33:27< Bilbo_Baggins> I don't think either of us will see perg or hell.
20090725 23:33:33< Bilbo_Baggins> =D
20090725 23:34:04< Bilbo_Baggins> Know what I say, when I say "THAT"...  Because I'm drunk
20090725 23:34:20< Bilbo_Baggins> I cannot sober up on a snap.
20090725 23:35:00< Bilbo_Baggins> My bro has been sleeping for a while and he wont even get up and call for us....Hell, I cannot go there wihout him "Leagealy" anyway...
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20090725 23:36:26< Bilbo_Baggins> Oh, jesus...I need to leave this room and go to a abandoned room.... I am sorry.
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20090725 23:48:59< BiggieSmalls> nice
20090725 23:49:09< BiggieSmalls> you took control of the stupid troll
20090725 23:49:31< shadowmaster> no comment
20090725 23:49:39< shadowmaster> (unless you want to follow him, that is)
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