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20090729 00:25:36< idiota> it's very quiet in this room...
20090729 00:28:54< shadowmaster> yeah, this is not like other channels, fortunately
20090729 00:31:37< Aethaeryn> IRC tends to be quiter than an AIM chat room
20090729 00:32:00< Aethaeryn> Since everyone is there for a purpose, tends to be more mature, and a lot of people idle
20090729 00:32:43 * Soliton would have pictured an AIM chat room differently.
20090729 00:34:43< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: you obviously haven't been in the correct channels
20090729 00:34:49< krotop> what's AIM chat room ?
20090729 00:34:52< shadowmaster> the network's main channel comes to mind
20090729 00:35:01< Aethaeryn> Nah, I've been in an extremely active channels before, related to games.
20090729 00:35:17< shadowmaster> (yeah, there are hundreds of idlers, but when there's action, there's action, and fairly often, and it's bloody messy)
20090729 00:35:18< Aethaeryn> And I've been in tech support channels for my distro, which also is constant talking.
20090729 00:35:38< Aethaeryn> For IRC, though, if there's 100 people, maybe 10-20 are actually there and maybe 5-10 are constantly there.
20090729 00:35:44< Aethaeryn> *constantly talking
20090729 00:36:05< Aethaeryn> In a "chat room" if there's 50 people, there's 50 people there and drowning each other's lines out
20090729 00:36:34< Aethaeryn> And actually, yes, i've seen action on IRC, but usually it's related to something big... like something happening in an active gaming community
20090729 00:36:43< Aethaeryn> But that's how a lot of chat rooms are constantly :P
20090729 00:37:28< krotop> we aren't an active gaming community ?
20090729 00:37:31< Aethaeryn> Generalizations are just that - GENERALizations
20090729 00:37:41< Aethaeryn> in general, IRC's quieter
20090729 00:37:50< Aethaeryn> krotop: Actually, no.
20090729 00:38:08< Aethaeryn> Active for open source since most of those projects are run by a few key people and depend 100% on them
20090729 00:38:13< Aethaeryn> But in terms of communities, we're tiny.
20090729 00:38:37< shadowmaster> okay, text wall in 3 minutes, new record.
20090729 00:38:41< Aethaeryn> For example, we only have one person who really moderates (Turuk). A lot of forums have staffs of a dozen or more.
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20090729 00:38:59< shadowmaster> we had more moderators
20090729 00:39:07< Turuk> active ones?
20090729 00:39:15< shadowmaster> Turuk is just too awesome to need other moderators
20090729 00:39:17< Aethaeryn> Turuk: A dozen or more, with half a dozen or more active ones...
20090729 00:39:21< shadowmaster> Turuk: before your time
20090729 00:39:25< Aethaeryn> Maybe I just always stumbled upon popular sites.
20090729 00:39:45< Turuk> I've been around for a long time shadow, even if I wasn't active on the forums.
20090729 00:40:23< krotop> Turuk : as a Syth master aren't you supposed to have at least 1 apprentice ?
20090729 00:40:28< thespaceinvader> I moderate too :P
20090729 00:40:41< Turuk> krotop: find me a good one and I'll take it into consideration
20090729 00:40:47< thespaceinvader> we have a reasonable amount of active devs who moderate, they're just not *only* moderators
20090729 00:41:03< krotop> ah right, tsi could be but his art powers overshadows its moderating ones
20090729 00:41:19< shadowmaster> Turuk: before your time as a moderator, I meant.
20090729 00:41:26< krotop> *his moderating ones
20090729 00:41:41< Turuk> thespaceinvader: that's a bit of a stretch for a statement
20090729 00:41:58< Aethaeryn> I hate to offend, but Wesnoth is probably the second smallest forum I was active on that is the main game's forums, and not a game sub-community's.
20090729 00:42:17< thespaceinvader> to an extent
20090729 00:42:21< shadowmaster> your definition of popularity needs some adjustments, perhaps
20090729 00:42:38< thespaceinvader> however, we really don't need that many mods - it's a reasonably well-behaved forum
20090729 00:42:38< shadowmaster> we have actively targetted a different audience than, say, WoW.
20090729 00:42:55< Turuk> Aethaeryn: Who cares?  All the larger forums I have seen are full of trolls and serve little purpose
20090729 00:42:56< Aethaeryn> It is probably the most popular non-FPS open source game, though.
20090729 00:43:10< Turuk> Also, those forums are designed for players to do what they please, this one is more designed for development
20090729 00:43:15< Aethaeryn> Turuk: Actually, yes. The bigger the game gets, the more the "subcommunity" forums take precedent over the main community forum.
20090729 00:43:26< Aethaeryn> I'm glad we aren't big enough for community segmentation.
20090729 00:43:36< Turuk> subcommunity forums?
20090729 00:43:37< shadowmaster> and the audience we target is obviously limited. Occassionally, though, members of the wrong audience(s) invade us.
20090729 00:43:44< Aethaeryn> Turuk: Clan, alliance, guild, whatever the game calls it.
20090729 00:43:49< shadowmaster> And that's when Turuk uses his powers to cast them away from our lands
20090729 00:44:02< Turuk> It's a well-behaved forum now.  It didn't used to be.
20090729 00:44:15< shadowmaster> because you already deleted them all! :P
20090729 00:44:21< Aethaeryn> I actually like Wesnoth being a tiny community.
20090729 00:44:28< krotop> delete! delete!
20090729 00:44:31< Aethaeryn> I sigh every time I hear someone say that Wesnoth should get bigger.
20090729 00:44:39< krotop> (sorry Dr.Who resurgence)
20090729 00:44:39< Aethaeryn> When you expand, you inevitably cause drama.
20090729 00:44:48< Turuk> Expansion is good
20090729 00:44:53< Turuk> Expansion for the sake of expansion is bad
20090729 00:45:25< Aethaeryn> Expansion is good, when extremely slow.
20090729 00:45:27 * shadowmaster feels ignored by Mr. A. ;(
20090729 00:45:30< Aethaeryn> Expansion by invasion is *usually* bad.
20090729 00:45:48< Aethaeryn> They'll stay for a year until they get bored, and cause a lot of drama/division in the process.
20090729 00:46:29< Turuk> Aethaeryn: I doubt it
20090729 00:46:30< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: It would be bad to ignore the person who runs the SVN I use frequently.
20090729 00:46:42< Turuk> We're not as open/free as other forums, so the drama/division would be minimal
20090729 00:47:02< krotop> ah ? a personnal drugdealer shadowmaster is ?
20090729 00:47:06< Aethaeryn> Turuk: Eh, then the drama/division would happen in the MP lobby. It would happen.
20090729 00:47:08< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: yeah, although I'm not the only one.
20090729 00:47:14< Turuk> What does the MP lobby matter?
20090729 00:47:16< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: thou shall not ignore Espreon or Turuk or AI
20090729 00:49:09< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: I'm actually querying Turuk a lot as he's my chief input-runner-by-er on the map I'm making...
20090729 00:49:13< Aethaeryn> Since I made it on his suggestion.
20090729 00:49:37 * shadowmaster drags Turuk to the admin channel.
20090729 00:49:46< Aethaeryn> Turuk: Speaking of which, I just finished it... +40 gold is the defenders' income now
20090729 00:49:52< Aethaeryn> at village gold 1 XD
20090729 00:50:08< Aethaeryn> I think adding 16 villages to put it in the middle of the income ranges was the best option
20090729 00:50:11< Turuk> Turuk is being highlighted so many times, it's crazy
20090729 00:50:12< Turuk> too many pings
20090729 00:50:31< Aethaeryn> I'm also raising the starting gold to 75
20090729 00:50:33< shadowmaster> you have no idea how big my awaylog grows after a while.
20090729 00:51:39 * shadowmaster is seeing action of the "users are being killed" type, and gets distracted
20090729 00:52:03 * Aethaeryn feels lonely
20090729 00:52:08< Aethaeryn> My awaylog is usually one or two lines
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20090729 00:53:16< Turuk> you don't even want to know about my PMs
20090729 00:54:31< Soliton> do males also get pms?
20090729 00:54:38< shadowmaster> yes.
20090729 00:54:43< Turuk> ha
20090729 00:54:43< Aethaeryn> lol
20090729 00:54:43< Turuk> cute
20090729 00:55:02< shadowmaster> when I get those I feel tempted to push the ban button
20090729 00:55:50< Soliton> guess you need some more testosterone.
20090729 00:55:51< shadowmaster> but fortunately, I've read enough of this stuff to know it's a natural side-effect and that I just need to restrain myself
20090729 00:55:58< shadowmaster> ;)
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20090729 01:13:37< Aethaeryn> Soliton: still want to play a whole side?
20090729 01:13:59< Soliton> if it doesn't take too long, sure.
20090729 01:14:12< Aethaeryn> I widened the map on the left side a bit
20090729 01:14:18< Aethaeryn> mostly the cave is affected though
20090729 01:14:53< Aethaeryn> had to widen it 10 hexes so I could neatly shift the code
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20090729 02:58:29< Aethaeryn> Anyone want to play a game?
20090729 03:06:37< shadowmaster> since years ago
20090729 03:06:42< shadowmaster> but I cannot.
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20090729 03:44:37< Lendrick> Greets :)
20090729 03:45:11< Lendrick> This isn't strictly Wesnoth-related, but would anyone have a minute to look at a sprite animation for me and give me some critique on it?
20090729 03:46:21< Blueblaze> Lendrick: I think the conversation in here is probably more likely to be not Wesnoth related ;p
20090729 03:46:36< Blueblaze> Anyway, you'll get much better advice if you post the animation on the forums
20090729 03:46:42< Lendrick> So what you're telling me is that this is a perfectly normal IRC channel? :)
20090729 03:46:55< Blueblaze> No, not quite, and probably not perferred either haha
20090729 03:47:01< Lendrick> I"ll put it up on the forum and see what people think, in that case.
20090729 03:47:03< Blueblaze> Regardless, do you have a forum account?
20090729 03:48:52< Blueblaze> Yeah, you'll certainly get the best advice from posting it in one of the 2 art forums
20090729 03:49:08< Blueblaze> If the art is something that could potentially be added into the mainline art for the game, then Art Contributions is the place to post
20090729 03:49:17< Lendrick> Yeah, I've got a forum account
20090729 03:49:23< Blueblaze> If it is art for a custom campaign, scenario, era, etc.. then post it up on the Art Workshop
20090729 03:49:29< Lendrick> well, I'm not sure it's necessarily the style that the mainline would want.
20090729 03:50:01< Lendrick> it's more of a general purpose sprite base.  once I get the diagonals done, it'd be usable for a custom area, certainly.
20090729 03:50:14< Blueblaze> Go ahead and put it up in the Art Workshop then
20090729 03:50:40< Blueblaze> If someone catches attention and feels that it is for mainline, then they'll move it to the appropriate place, but it sounds like something for the Art Workshop section
20090729 03:50:53 * Lendrick nods.
20090729 03:51:08< Lendrick> The proportions are too different from the mainline art.  It would be out of place. :)
20090729 03:52:37< Lendrick> Anyway, thanks for the heads up.  I'll post it. :)
20090729 03:52:53< Blueblaze> Yeah, Wesnoth doesn't go for realistic proportions :p
20090729 03:53:03< Lendrick> heh, well, this is less realistic.  :)
20090729 03:53:30< Lendrick> not *way* less -- anyway, I'll post it. :)
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20090729 09:52:10< spike411> Hello! I have a question regarding 1.7.2. I was playing Heir to the Throne, I got to The Scepter of Fire mission… and suddenly I cannot recruit / recall any units, I don't even have Delfador, Kalenz and that princess. Is that how it's supposed to be?
20090729 09:53:26< spike411> The mission objective says it ends (also) with the death of Delfador, Kalenz, the princess… I've tried sneaking through most of the map with Konrad but I only found enemies. >_<
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20090729 09:55:33< zookeeper> no, it's a bug.
20090729 09:55:49< spike411> Oh, great… Kind of. :)
20090729 09:56:21< spike411> Can I fix it myself (if it's just about editing some mission script), or should I wait for the next dev build?
20090729 09:57:14< zookeeper> i think it was an engine bug so you'll have to wait for the next build
20090729 09:57:33< spike411> Ah, OK. What a pity, I was getting into it. :)
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20090729 10:09:34< Soliton> are you on windows?
20090729 10:12:18< spike411> No, Mac OS X.
20090729 10:16:17< Vornicus> what's up?
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20090729 10:16:43 * Vornicus is also on OSX, may be able to reproduce issues.
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20090729 10:37:03< Ivanovic> moin
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20090729 12:18:04< grzywacz> :P
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20090729 17:19:19< Woodmouse> poops.
20090729 17:19:24< Unnheulu> xD
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20090729 17:20:53< pf2222> irc clogs!
20090729 17:21:00< Woodmouse> xD
20090729 17:21:06< pf2222> oh NUEEDO!
20090729 17:21:17< pf2222> i, i, irc!
20090729 17:21:19< pf2222> cloooooooooooooooogs!
20090729 17:21:19< Woodmouse> NUEEDO! yo you yoo
20090729 17:21:24< Woodmouse> *to you too
20090729 17:21:24< pf2222> lol
20090729 17:21:35< pf2222> I
20090729 17:21:36< pf2222> R
20090729 17:21:36< pf2222> C
20090729 17:21:38< pf2222>  
20090729 17:21:40< pf2222> CLOGS!
20090729 17:21:47< pf2222> [/spam]
20090729 17:21:50< Woodmouse> Clögs
20090729 17:21:51< pf2222> [spam]
20090729 17:21:52< Woodmouse> xd
20090729 17:21:53< pf2222> lalalallalalalalal!
20090729 17:21:58< pf2222> [/spam]
20090729 17:22:01< pf2222> [spam]
20090729 17:22:02< Woodmouse> [/maps]
20090729 17:22:09< pf2222> maaaaaaaaaps
20090729 17:22:10< pf2222> hmm
20090729 17:22:15< Woodmouse> Wee neeed neew maaps
20090729 17:22:19< Woodmouse> lol
20090729 17:22:22< pf2222> that reminds me of a launcher I put on my panel xD
20090729 17:22:22< Woodmouse> [/maps]
20090729 17:22:44< Unnheulu> <spam>
20090729 17:22:48< Unnheulu> laLlLLALAlALLA
20090729 17:22:51< Unnheulu> </spam>
20090729 17:22:53< Woodmouse> :O
20090729 17:22:57< Woodmouse> Un lalled!
20090729 17:23:18< Woodmouse> :O
20090729 17:24:30< pf2222> O.O my launcher is blank
20090729 17:24:40< Woodmouse> launcher?
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20090729 17:25:00< pf2222> the one I put on my panel
20090729 17:25:13< pf2222> well, I'll fix it.
20090729 17:26:01< pf2222> anyway, so the launcher was called "WINE"
20090729 17:26:15< pf2222> and then when you scrolled over it it said "Yum, WINE SPAM!"
20090729 17:26:29< pf2222> And then when you clicked on it it opened Egomap
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20090729 17:27:34< pf2222> because we all know that spam backwards is maps
20090729 17:27:36< pf2222> xD
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20090729 17:34:40< pf2222> I gots a lovely glass of wine on my panel, dodododoldledo, standing in a row
20090729 17:35:23< pf2222> Wine is not an emulator, dododoloedo, standing in a rooooooooow
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20090729 17:40:46< Woodmouse> :o
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20090729 17:42:26< Woodmouse> Carneus, I misread your name as "Caranus" D:
20090729 17:42:31< Woodmouse> (lol, I really did)
20090729 17:47:23< pf2222> let;s do smoething
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20090729 17:52:34< pf2222> NUEEDO!
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20090729 18:30:47< pf2222> DUEEGO!
20090729 18:31:07< Woodmouse> haha, not many here know what that means, I think. xD
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20090729 18:41:10< pf2222> DUEEGO! again?
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20090729 19:01:26< pf2222> x
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20090729 23:10:14< Aethaeryn> Anyone want to play a game?
20090729 23:11:40< Aethaeryn> blarumyrran? crimson_penguin?
20090729 23:11:57< Aethaeryn> I really can do this test with 4 people, but it's hard to get people to go to 1.7
20090729 23:11:58< crimson_penguin> I would, but I really shouldn't
20090729 23:12:09< Aethaeryn> And I can't go further on my map until I get at least 4 people (including myself)
20090729 23:12:13< Aethaeryn> :<
20090729 23:12:17< Aethaeryn> ^ Frowning penguin.
20090729 23:13:24< crimson_penguin> gotta pack for a trip tomorrow
20090729 23:14:04< Aethaeryn> Eh, technically none of us should be playing Wesnoth because there's always something better we could be doing, including making content for Wesnoth :P
20090729 23:14:13< Aethaeryn> One person :P
20090729 23:14:17< Aethaeryn> I just need one person on IRC.
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20090729 23:20:01< Aethaeryn> Okay, if anyone wants to play, it's on the 1.7.2 server, password Dwarves
20090729 23:21:49< Aethaeryn> actually
20090729 23:21:51< Aethaeryn> password "dwarves"
20090729 23:21:54< Aethaeryn> slight difference.
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