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20090730 00:33:00< ldries> could there be a 'Pass Control to Someone' menu item somewhere? it always takes ages to 'teach' somebody how to type ':control 4 Foo'
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20090730 00:48:25< Soliton> sure.
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20090730 01:01:57< ldries> Soliton: that would be really nice. pretty please ;-)
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20090730 01:29:35< shadowmaster> http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090729
20090730 01:30:07< shadowmaster> for some reason I fear Squeeze won't be so stable, at least for KDE users.
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20090730 01:43:21< Polarina> Who uses KDE?
20090730 01:43:43< shadowmaster> not you.
20090730 01:44:12< Polarina> :D
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20090730 04:27:32< Blueblaze> Aethaeryn: Play Conquest Europe?
20090730 04:31:02< Aethaeryn> Blueblaze: I would but I"m testing out Bob's era
20090730 04:31:21< Aethaeryn> *Bob's RPG Era
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20090730 08:34:09< dansan> gna.org down?
20090730 08:36:07< Turuk> yes
20090730 08:36:56< dansan> =(
20090730 08:38:16< dansan> does it matter what Era you use with Brotherhood of Light?
20090730 08:45:42< zookeeper> maybe
20090730 08:45:55< zookeeper> why would you want to use some specific era?
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20090730 08:52:54< dansan> I dunno, I haven't played it in a long time actually
20090730 08:52:56< CptKangaroo> Forgive me, for this, I play wesnoth too, but...
20090730 08:52:57< CptKangaroo> Forgive me, for this, I play wesnoth too, but...
20090730 08:52:59< CptKangaroo> Play isengard.nazgul.com port 4040!  It is a awesome mud, and I don't want to see it die.... sob (really).
20090730 08:53:12< CptKangaroo> Shoot, I am so sorry for the spam... :/ 
20090730 08:53:24 * dansan shoots Mr Green Jeans
20090730 08:53:27< dansan> crap! I missed!
20090730 08:53:38< zookeeper> dansan, well you can't recruit in it anyway, so eras don't make any difference.
20090730 08:53:53< dansan> zookeeper, ok, thanks for the info
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20090730 08:55:38< dansan> zookeeper, are you involved with any of Bob's development work?  I see that he has a Test 1 out of his RPG Era, I really like that thing (I haven't tried the test version)
20090730 08:57:48< zookeeper> dansan, not really, i only try to maintain BoL
20090730 08:57:57< dansan> ahh, cool =)
20090730 08:58:16< dansan> I'm about to give it a run.  It's changed a lot since I played it last! -- that was a long time ago
20090730 08:58:49< zookeeper> i was intending on starting to maintain the labyrinth of champions, but haven't really done my first batch of tweaks to it yet
20090730 08:58:57< dansan> ahh, fun! =)
20090730 08:59:24< dansan> That one is quite cool too.  I hope Bob puts out a part 2 for fall of trent, I posted some ideas for it earlier
20090730 09:00:26< zookeeper> have you started your BoL game yet?
20090730 09:00:55< dansan> Yea, I'm at the character selection screen
20090730 09:01:01< dansan> I'm using the latest BoL on 1.6
20090730 09:01:26< zookeeper> you might want to actually go download the version i just uploaded
20090730 09:01:26< dansan> Well, Wesnoth 1.6.4, build from Gentoo ebuild.
20090730 09:01:56< zookeeper> it has a couple of minor fixes, like being able to pick up more than one tulip..
20090730 09:01:57< dansan> 0.5.6?
20090730 09:02:08< zookeeper> yeah, i didn't bump the version number as i uploaded
20090730 09:02:16< zookeeper> i'll do a proper new version sometime later
20090730 09:02:36< dansan> ahhh, ok, let me delete and re-load
20090730 09:03:24< zookeeper> (it's actually 0.5.7)
20090730 09:03:30< dansan> Also, something I find *quite* annoying, I always run a "find -iname '*.cfg' -print0|xargs -0 crlf -u" when I download new add-ons because I get very annoyed by the blocks at the end of each line in dialogs =(
20090730 09:03:32< dansan> I'm on linux
20090730 09:04:42< dansan> In other words, add-ons get uploaded where some text contains CF/LF and it causes graphical glitches in text
20090730 09:05:39< zookeeper> i thought that was fixed at some point
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20090730 09:06:06< zookeeper> but i guess it might be some compile-time thing, i really don't know about that stuff
20090730 09:06:30< zookeeper> maybe worth asking on #wesnoth-dev if you want to get rid of it
20090730 09:06:53< dansan> Ahh, it's probably fixed in 1.5 or 1.6, I was playing on 1.4 earlier
20090730 09:11:12< dansan> wow! why is _main.cfg so large?  Is it auto-generated by something else?
20090730 09:11:57< zookeeper> no, it just contains a lot of stuff
20090730 09:12:01< dansan> wow
20090730 09:12:19< zookeeper> i've never bothered to refactor it into a bunch of smaller files (any more than it is already, anyway)
20090730 09:13:31< dansan> Yea, that's one of the short comings I'm noticing with WML (and I haven't done much with it yet), there doesn't seem to be good mechanisms for encapsulating code into reusable modules, leaving code fairly large.
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20090730 09:39:05< dansan> zookeeper: On turn two when the objectives update, it still says versions 0.5.6
20090730 09:39:55< zookeeper> yeah, nevermind that
20090730 09:40:18< zookeeper> i'm actually working on the proper next version right now
20090730 09:40:28< zookeeper> nothing too interesting in it except that the eklin amulet will actually be useful
20090730 09:40:41< dansan> ahh =)
20090730 09:40:49< zookeeper> (right now it's entirely useless)
20090730 09:42:00< dansan> well, I have to go run an errand =(
20090730 09:42:03< dansan> I'll be back later
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20090730 10:16:02< Ivanovic> moin
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20090730 16:32:36< kerros> I am playing wesnoth on my old thinkpad T23 with a savage 3 graphics card. the game itself runs very well, but I am having an annoying graphic glitch in menues
20090730 16:33:12< kerros> when choosing something (like the difficulty of a campaign) the unselected options have a background of green stripes
20090730 16:34:50< kerros> that doesn't matter, but in story screens, where the story text is shown over a map of wesnoth, the background of the text is tinted in stripes, which makes the text unreadable
20090730 16:34:58< kerros> and that's kinda annoying :D any ideas?
20090730 16:38:05< Ivanovic> first: which OS and which version of wesnoth are you using?
20090730 16:38:20< kerros> right, it's archlinux and wesnoth 1.6.1
20090730 16:38:30< kerros> I could and probably should update
20090730 16:38:44< kerros> but it's a very slow connection and the download would take more than an hour
20090730 16:39:05< Ivanovic> to be honest i have not heard about this problem before
20090730 16:39:25< Ivanovic> that is: maybe something with your system libs makes that problem (xorg driver for graphics, libsdl version, ...)
20090730 16:39:45< kerros> it sure sounds like a driver problem
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20090730 16:39:51< Ivanovic> in general wesnoth does not use any 3d stuff, just plain 2d via sdl
20090730 16:40:13< Ivanovic> you could try with the normal vesa driver as short test
20090730 16:40:37< Ivanovic> if the problem does not appear when doing so, it clearly is a problem of the s3 driver
20090730 16:40:44< Ivanovic> (you should report it then)
20090730 16:40:54< kerros> aye
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20090730 16:42:10< Ivanovic> if this does not change anything, check if there is an update for sdl_image, sdl and pango
20090730 16:45:40< kerros> those are all current at least
20090730 16:45:51< kerros> well, gonna try vesa
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20090730 17:18:31< Kenpachi_> if I have an idea for a main-line char change, what forum subsection should I post the idea in?
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20090730 17:20:17< zookeeper> Kenpachi, well, what kind of change?
20090730 17:20:49< Kenpachi> to the dwarf griffin rider
20090730 17:21:22< Kenpachi> give him a charge attack at level 2
20090730 17:21:33< Kenpachi> called swoop
20090730 17:22:21< zookeeper> better not post that at all, it's not a new idea and wouldn't get implemented
20090730 17:22:33< Kenpachi> ok
20090730 17:23:09< Kenpachi> I did have a look on the forums, but couldn't see it, or anything like it there...
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20090730 17:24:45< shadowmaster> we consider "change <insert unit name here>'s <insert attack here> strength/amount/specials/<anything>" as a Frequently Proposed Idea regardless of whether the specifics have been posted already. The mainline era is well balanced nowadays. If anything needs to be changed, our experts will notice it.
20090730 17:26:03< Kenpachi> kk
20090730 17:26:14< zookeeper> no unit stat proposals for default era units are gonna fly unless you have some specific demonstratable balance issue that it'd fix
20090730 17:26:34< Kenpachi> dwarfs suck
20090730 17:26:55< Kenpachi> imo anyway
20090730 17:27:33< zookeeper> then you can beat some of the MP devs with other factions to prove it is so
20090730 17:28:06< Kenpachi> :) far call
20090730 17:29:12< shadowmaster> rule of thumb: every faction has its own advantages and disadvantages
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20090730 17:29:34< shadowmaster> if you can handle them properly, then you're a good player. If not... well, 'nuff said.
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20090730 17:30:34< Kenpachi> true
20090730 17:31:36< Kenpachi> to be honest, the idea had little to do with trying to change the balance that is currently set
20090730 17:32:55< Kenpachi> * shrug *
20090730 17:33:40< zookeeper> the MP balance is very delicate and it'd annoy top-level players a lot if it was made more imbalanced just for flavour
20090730 17:34:30< Kenpachi> that's cool
20090730 17:34:34< zookeeper> well, not even just top-level players i guess, even very small changes can change the balance a lot even for medium-skilled players
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20090730 17:35:12< KEBA> if you have elbs and your opponent drakes: what to do then?
20090730 17:35:44< Soliton> kill drakes.
20090730 17:36:34< KEBA> :)
20090730 17:36:46< KEBA> but with wiich units?
20090730 17:37:26< KEBA> schrate (dont know their english name.. these trees) are useless, mages are useless...
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20090730 17:40:09< Soliton> makes it simple then, doesn't it?
20090730 17:40:26< KEBA> what do you mean?
20090730 17:40:40< KEBA> which units should i use? :P
20090730 17:40:49< shadowmaster> I thought drakes were highly vulnerable to pierce damage (*HINT*)
20090730 17:41:18< Soliton> one of the remaining ones.
20090730 17:42:29< KEBA> so only bows and simple fighters?
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20090730 19:08:27< idiota> hi, just saying hi..
20090730 19:09:41< shadowmaster> are you aware that your nickname is self-derogatory at least in Spanish?
20090730 19:12:10< Polarina> Probably in many other languages too.
20090730 19:12:36< shadowmaster> yeah, hence the 'at least'
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20090730 19:17:55< blarumyrran> shadowmaster, "highly vulnerable"=10%?
20090730 19:18:17< shadowmaster> yeah
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20090730 21:00:58< idiota> yeah, but it's also a title of a novel that i like, which is the reason why i picked that name
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20090730 21:11:49< marioxcc> hello, i are trying to compile wesnoth 1.7.2 under debian
20090730 21:12:22< marioxcc> i have alredy installed the package lua-5.1 but when i do ./configure i get:
20090730 21:12:23< marioxcc> checking for LUA... no
20090730 21:12:23< marioxcc> checking for LUA... no
20090730 21:12:23< marioxcc> checking for LUA... configure: error: Package requirements (lua-5.1 >= 5.1) were not met:
20090730 21:13:45< shadowmaster> marioxcc: could you put your build/config.log in a pastebin at http://wesnoth.pastebin.com ?
20090730 21:13:53< marioxcc> sure
20090730 21:14:22< shadowmaster> oh, wait, did you install the corresponding -dev package?
20090730 21:14:44< shadowmaster> it should be liblua5.1-0-dev
20090730 21:15:37< marioxcc> here is http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/m2d40156b
20090730 21:15:47< marioxcc> hmm
20090730 21:15:48< marioxcc> no
20090730 21:15:55< marioxcc> ok
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20090730 21:17:13< marioxcc> solved, thanks :)
20090730 21:18:29< shadowmaster> np
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