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20090731 02:20:45< Aethaeryn> Turuk: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=372630#p372630
20090731 02:20:48 * Aethaeryn shakes fist
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20090731 05:43:04< ancestral> Aethaeryn, Turuk, among others: Rebels faction added to the Ascension forum thread
20090731 05:44:32< shadowmaster> viva la revolution!
20090731 05:45:02< shadowmaster> ah wait. Wesnoth. Faction. mmkay.
20090731 05:56:38< marioxcc> ¿do you speak spanish?
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20090731 11:15:57< Ivanovic> moin
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20090731 12:10:41< yuid> archive.fosdem.org/2008/slides/maintracks/wesnoth.pdf <- here it says wesnoth ais can be written in C++, but I can't find out how. Any suggestions?
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20090731 12:19:42< Ivanovic> yuid: that is all in svn
20090731 12:19:52< Ivanovic> in src/ai*SOMETHING*
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20090731 12:30:48< yuid> Ok, I found it, but I still don't understand how I would proceed to write a C++ ai and test it without building the entire thing (=wesnoth) from source.
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20090731 13:43:47< Soliton> yuid: ask Crab_ in #wesnoth-dev.
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20090731 18:08:19< Aethaeryn> thespaceinvader: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=372765#p372765
20090731 18:12:29< Aethaeryn> thespaceinvader: And I guess that gives Wesnoth' psuedo-welsh a whole different perspective for you :P
20090731 18:13:03< thespaceinvader> it does a touch
20090731 18:13:24< thespaceinvader> i'm not a native, but I've been coming to wales since i was a child, and lived here on and off for 4 and a half years
20090731 18:13:40< thespaceinvader> (although most Welsh people will tell you cardiff isn't PROPER wales
20090731 18:14:30< thespaceinvader> Aethaeryn: answered your post, btw
20090731 18:14:43< Aethaeryn> Eh, it's like Edinburgh isn't PROPER Scotland
20090731 18:14:57< Aethaeryn> Was just reading the other day (on Wikipedia) about the difference between highlands and lowlands
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20090731 18:15:36< Aethaeryn> I'm sure Wales has some kind of similar geographic distinction
20090731 18:15:56< thespaceinvader> mm
20090731 18:16:05< thespaceinvader> proper wales is the valleys and the north
20090731 18:16:16< thespaceinvader> where people speak welsh as a first language more commonly
20090731 18:17:02< Aethaeryn> Welsh translation of Wesnoth, anyone?
20090731 18:17:33< thespaceinvader> not from me
20090731 18:18:28< Aethaeryn> Only ever been to the UK once, but I have a bit of British influence on me since I spent much of my childhood overseas...
20090731 18:18:32< Aethaeryn> And because Brits really are everywhere.
20090731 18:19:04< Aethaeryn> The sun probably never sets of people from Britain living overseas :P
20090731 18:19:06< thespaceinvader> well,, the sun never set on the british empire at one point ;)
20090731 18:19:32< thespaceinvader> if you include places the Queen is still Queen of, that may still be true
20090731 18:19:39< Aethaeryn> Commonwealth, yeah.
20090731 18:19:41< thespaceinvader> given that it includes Canada and Australia
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20090731 18:20:25< Aethaeryn> Funny how culturally and historically, the region I probably know the most about is Europe, yet I've only been to it a handful of times, mostly as a half-way point to the US.
20090731 18:20:44< Aethaeryn> *culturally, historically, and geographically
20090731 18:21:25< Aethaeryn> I can place every single country in Europe on the map. I'd bet most Americans don't even know where most of the states are.
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20090731 18:25:45< Aethaeryn> < thespaceinvader> given that it includes Canada and Australia <- might be hard in part of it without India.
20090731 18:25:51< Aethaeryn> Unless, of course, the British conquer Russia :)
20090731 18:26:31< Aethaeryn> India really was the "crown jewel of the British Empire"
20090731 18:27:18< Aethaeryn> (No, I'm not an imperialist, btw. Imperialism implies both racism and really, really, REALLY big government.)
20090731 18:28:14< Aethaeryn> (Just saying, British influence isn't what it used to be.)
20090731 18:28:19< thespaceinvader> well, given that parts of canada are in continuous sunlight 6 months of the year :P
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20090731 18:30:35< Aethaeryn> thespaceinvader: Then it's "The Sun /s/never/for-six-months-doesn't set on the British /s/Empire/Commonwealth."
20090731 18:31:26< thespaceinvader> o bah
20090731 18:31:28< thespaceinvader> picky, picky
20090731 18:31:42< thespaceinvader> for at least 3/4 of the year, the sun never sets on the former british empire
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20090731 18:33:53< Aethaeryn> thespaceinvader: Well, one legacy remains. Between the former British Empire and the (former??) American /s/Empire/World-Police, English *is* the lingua franca.
20090731 18:35:32< thespaceinvader> yep
20090731 18:35:37< Aethaeryn> The lingua anglica, so to speak.
20090731 18:35:48< thespaceinvader> though my suspicion is that that is at least in part thanks to t'internet
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20090731 18:51:52< Aethaeryn> thespaceinvader: Eh, maybe when the Chinese take over the top spot us English-speaking once-dominant countries will have more in common to talk over.
20090731 18:52:14< thespaceinvader> possibly
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20090731 18:52:31< thespaceinvader> there are currently more chinese speakers in the world than english speakers, i think
20090731 18:53:01< Aethaeryn> Just waiting for Web 3.0 to roll out better support for Chinese
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20090731 18:53:08< Aethaeryn> That's when you'll know.
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20090731 18:53:27< Aethaeryn> blarumyrran: I loved the Lovecraftian sketch... with the ink attack XD
20090731 18:53:44< blarumyrran> ty
20090731 18:55:48< Aethaeryn> thespaceinvader: Would it hurt to expand the wose a few pixels in height? I think even I could do that if you wanted a demonstration
20090731 18:56:01< Aethaeryn> thespaceinvader: the wose sprite, I mean
20090731 18:56:06< Aethaeryn> to kinda match the new tallness available
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20090731 18:56:25< thespaceinvader> probably not, now that the hex limit is lifted, but jet would be the person to talk to about it i think
20090731 18:56:37< thespaceinvader> i'm happy to take a look though, and raise it next tijme we're talking
20090731 18:57:27< Aethaeryn> I'm not that good at spriting, but I'm not that *bad* either, so I could definitely heighten a few sprites that need it
20090731 18:59:44< Aethaeryn> Since the perspective, color pallette, shading, etc., is set
20090731 19:00:04< thespaceinvader> yeah
20090731 19:00:20< blarumyrran> it looks a lot like the old wose sprites
20090731 19:00:35< thespaceinvader> well, give it a shot on one of them, then if you're willing and it's accepted, the whole line would need doing
20090731 19:00:40< thespaceinvader> blarumyrran: the portrait?
20090731 19:00:43< blarumyrran> mhm
20090731 19:00:47< Aethaeryn> thespaceinvader: Obviously I'd have to do the whole line and the animations, etc.
20090731 19:01:03< thespaceinvader> cool cool, as long as that's clear
20090731 19:01:10< thespaceinvader> blarumyrran: don't know which one you mean
20090731 19:01:11< Turuk_> No no, you don't Aethaeryn 
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20090731 19:01:14< Aethaeryn> How tall can it go?
20090731 19:01:16< Turuk_> Someone else will do it for you as long as you proposed the idea
20090731 19:01:26< Aethaeryn> Turuk_: Oh right, I forgot.
20090731 19:01:37< Aethaeryn> Turuk_: Instead, I'm going to do the ghast and the living armor.
20090731 19:01:43< Aethaeryn> Someone else has to do the taller wose.
20090731 19:01:53< blarumyrran> thespaceinvader, "which one"?
20090731 19:01:54< Turuk_> It can exceed the hex even (gryphon does), but I would not have it go out too far so that it overlaps other units
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20090731 19:01:55< thespaceinvader> it does look a little different from the current sprite, however, mostly because I was trying to bring it into line with the descriptions
20090731 19:02:05< thespaceinvader> blarumyrran: which sprite do you mean?
20090731 19:02:21< blarumyrran> the 2-legged, tall & thin ones
20090731 19:02:23< Aethaeryn> thespaceinvader: the old woses, look it up.
20090731 19:02:26< Aethaeryn> the thin woses.
20090731 19:02:28< Aethaeryn> yeah
20090731 19:02:37< blarumyrran> (the ones that grzywacz had as avatar)
20090731 19:02:39< thespaceinvader> ah, i think i know the ones
20090731 19:02:44< Aethaeryn> Turuk_: So I'd have to resize the image?
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20090731 19:03:04< Turuk_> I don't think so, unless the file already has it at the edge of the frame
20090731 19:03:05< Turuk_> then yes
20090731 19:03:20< Aethaeryn> Turuk_: It is :P
20090731 19:03:28< Turuk_> Yes then :)
20090731 19:03:33< Aethaeryn> Turuk_: There's one pixel space, and I'd want to highten it at least 4-5
20090731 19:03:41< Turuk_> http://zapicm.freeshell.org/1_02/Wose.html
20090731 19:03:45< Turuk_> Yeah, that makes sense
20090731 19:03:55< Aethaeryn> Actually, possibly so its head goes in front of the feet of the unit it's below.
20090731 19:04:24< thespaceinvader> Aethaeryn: no, i don't think you would, you can go outside 72x72 with base frames these days
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20090731 19:04:46< Turuk_> thespaceinvader: he just meant that the file itself has it limited at that 72 pixel size, so he has to expand his work space :P
20090731 19:04:55< thespaceinvader> ooooh i see
20090731 19:05:32< thespaceinvader> the only thing to be aware of is that you need to expand it equally in all directions - if you add 2 pixels to the top, you need to add two to the bottom as well, since otherwise the sprite will sit lower in the frame
20090731 19:06:33< Aethaeryn> damn
20090731 19:06:33< Aethaeryn> I made it 90x72
20090731 19:06:39< Aethaeryn> And yes, I'm probably not going to make it touch the top
20090731 19:06:51< Aethaeryn> Just wanted an even number so I don't run out of space
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20090731 19:20:31< Aethaeryn> thespaceinvader: almost done heightening the regular Wose by 4 pixels and his hands by two
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20090731 19:28:56< Aethaeryn> thespaceinvader: what are the new shadows?
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20090731 19:38:06< blarumyrran> http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/Creating_Shadows_Under_Units says (22,0,52), 60% opac
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20090731 19:47:40< Aethaeryn> blarumyrran: found that in a search, but thanks anyway
20090731 19:48:19< Aethaeryn> thespaceinvader, Turuk, blarumyrran: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=26480
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20090731 19:51:20< blarumyrran> personally i liked the lvl1 being short & somewhat bush-like
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20090731 19:52:42< Imperion> could, uh, someone point me in the direction of unit.hpp?
20090731 19:53:08< thespaceinvader> Aethaeryn: you've slanted the trunk a little too much, and the outline's got broken
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20090731 19:53:19< Imperion> nvm
20090731 19:53:33< thespaceinvader> Aethaeryn: and you've broken the arm completely
20090731 19:56:01< Aethaeryn> thespaceinvader: all of that with one pixel... damn\
20090731 19:56:11< Aethaeryn> I feared I'd have to do more than just expand :P
20090731 19:56:31< Aethaeryn> thespaceinvader: Post it so I don't have to double-post to fix
20090731 19:56:33< Aethaeryn> please
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20090731 19:57:07< thespaceinvader> the comment about the arm was slightly unjustified, my apologies, looking at the current base frame
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20090731 20:00:56< Aethaeryn> thespaceinvader: yeah, I really don't like the arm
20090731 20:00:59< Aethaeryn> but it's an issue with the base frame
20090731 20:01:03< thespaceinvader> yeah
20090731 20:01:04< Aethaeryn> I'll probably tweak it a bit
20090731 20:01:11< Aethaeryn> right now I'm working on un-slanting it though
20090731 20:01:19< thespaceinvader> in yours it looks worse because of the fact that the trunk hs gotten longer
20090731 20:01:57< thespaceinvader> what i'd probably do is move the whole arm down two or three pixels so it lines up a little better with the upper arm that we can just about see in the foliage
20090731 20:02:26< thespaceinvader> but betyond gettign a finished revision to the base frame, i'd avoid doing anything too major at this stage
20090731 20:02:51< thespaceinvader> if you really want a project, the request thread i posted in Art Contribs needs attention ;)
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20090731 20:11:33< Aethaeryn> thespaceinvader: ?
20090731 20:11:42< thespaceinvader> Aethaeryn: yes
20090731 20:11:47< thespaceinvader> what?
20090731 20:11:51< Aethaeryn> oh the animation one
20090731 20:12:11< thespaceinvader> yeah
20090731 20:12:39< thespaceinvader> if you feel up to it, even just the thunderguard (the d'guard is goging to be a little more difficult, given the size of his cloak), that would be hugely appreciated
20090731 20:12:59< thespaceinvader> look to the Dwarvish Lord for hints on how to work cloaks under movement.
20090731 20:13:46< Aethaeryn> I haven't done animations before... hmm
20090731 20:14:06< Aethaeryn> I'll look into it, I have to brb
20090731 20:14:10< Aethaeryn> for some lunch
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20090731 20:28:44< Aethaeryn> "Help needed defining team rgb values for unit graphics" is one of the most mistitled threads out there.
20090731 20:28:57< Aethaeryn> Or at least, for the last 30-50 pages
20090731 20:29:54< blarumyrran> no?
20090731 20:30:01< blarumyrran> Eg the mermen are currently not tc-ed
20090731 20:31:28< Aethaeryn> It honestly is used to replace non-TCed units and only for that?
20090731 20:31:37< blarumyrran> mostly, yes
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20090731 20:31:51< blarumyrran> ghosts, mermen, nagas - all lacked tc
20090731 20:32:02< Aethaeryn> eh, then it'd be better titled "Replacing Non-TCed Units" not "help needed defining team rgb values for unit graphics"
20090731 20:32:08< Aethaeryn> concise > verbose
20090731 20:32:13< Aethaeryn> In everything but a term paper
20090731 20:32:33< Aethaeryn> but I know it won't be renamed, it's a tradition by this point
20090731 20:32:33< blarumyrran> Everbody dealing with those sprites knows what the thread is about anyway, tho >:o)
20090731 20:32:39< Aethaeryn> exactly :P
20090731 20:32:47< Aethaeryn> Stupid title, but it's a tradition so it'll stay.
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20090731 21:10:27< Soliton> note that going outside the hex has a performance penalty so if you just do it for the sake of it that's not a good idea.
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20090731 21:36:11< thespaceinvader> saska: what you've done so far look OK, but doing a two-handed animation would be preferable
20090731 21:36:31< saska> oh hi
20090731 21:36:33< thespaceinvader> saska: you also need to improve the hammer there - what you have looks a little shapeless
20090731 21:36:38< thespaceinvader> malso
20090731 21:36:40< thespaceinvader> hi
20090731 21:38:13< saska> so you say it would be good idwea to make him grabbing hammer with two hands in first frame
20090731 21:38:36< saska> like karrag
20090731 21:41:41< saska> i have motion crystal clear in my mind now. it only needs to be drawn
20090731 21:42:28< thespaceinvader> yes, indeed
20090731 21:42:33< thespaceinvader> like the Pathfinder does
20090731 21:44:20< saska> yeah but i'll do it swing hammer from side to behind its back
20090731 21:44:31< saska> illl make it big and heavy hammer ;)
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