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20090803 01:22:28-!- Topic for #wesnoth: Main wesnoth servers and website are down, we are working on it; use server2.wesnoth.org or server3.wesnoth.org for multiplayer | Wesnoth User Channel | wesnoth.org | http://addons.wesnoth.org | latest stable version: 1.6.4 | latest development version: 1.7.2 | public IRC logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org
20090803 01:22:28-!- Topic set by shadowmaster [] [Mon Aug  3 00:37:48 2009]
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20090803 02:05:07-!- shadowmaster changed the topic of #wesnoth to: Wesnoth User Channel | wesnoth.org | http://addons.wesnoth.org | latest stable version: 1.6.4 | latest development version: 1.7.2 | public IRC logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org
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20090803 02:07:54< krotop> ping
20090803 02:08:07< blarumyrran> pong
20090803 02:08:12< krotop> thanks
20090803 02:08:23< blarumyrran> You are welcome.
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20090803 02:22:14< popov> hello from Apple store CA
20090803 02:22:52< shadowmaster> uh, hello
20090803 02:22:54< Aethaeryn> hi
20090803 02:23:02< popov> i am looking forward for the stable version of 1.7!
20090803 02:23:12< shadowmaster> it'll be 1.8
20090803 02:23:13< popov> i hope it will become a better game
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20090803 02:23:22< Aethaeryn> Always does.
20090803 02:23:23< popov> ah, cool
20090803 02:23:27< Aethaeryn> Haven't seen it take a back-step yet.
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20090803 02:23:32< popov> i mean, i love wesnoth for 1.6
20090803 02:23:40< popov> but if it gets better, that's even better you know
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20090803 02:24:47< popov> anyways, i gotta go now, see you!
20090803 02:24:50< Aethaeryn> Personally, I can't wait for Wesnoth 2.0
20090803 02:24:54< Aethaeryn> But that's probably a few years off
20090803 02:25:06< Aethaeryn> The features in Wesnoth 2.0 > the features in Wesnoth 1.8
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20090803 02:25:09< Blueblaze> Aethaeryn: Someone is torrentting Wesnoth 2.0 now
20090803 02:25:12< shadowmaster> major version numbers are overrated.
20090803 02:25:15< Blueblaze> google and see if you can find it
20090803 02:25:32< Aethaeryn> Blueblaze: ah, I knew torrents would go to the future eventually
20090803 02:25:55 * Aethaeryn looks up The Sims 9... oh wait, that'd be illegal (and wouldn't run on my computer).
20090803 02:27:05< Aethaeryn> I don't do torrents, though. For some reason Fedora downloads faster direct, and OS downloads is the only thing I really did with torrents before.
20090803 02:28:10< blarumyrran> Where do you download all the cool stuff directly
20090803 02:28:24< shadowmaster> why do you assume it's an OS thing?
20090803 02:28:55< shadowmaster> unless your network bandwidth is large enough to exceed the disk transfer rates.
20090803 02:31:50< Aethaeryn> blarumyrran: to download all the cool stuff type "svn co http://svn.gna.org/svn/wesnoth/trunk wesnoth"
20090803 02:32:33< shadowmaster> not really, it can be frustrating at times.
20090803 02:32:49< shadowmaster> so it's not "cool"
20090803 02:32:55< Aethaeryn> Bah, I disagree.
20090803 02:32:58< Aethaeryn> Lots of cool stuff.
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20090803 02:41:43< ner0x> How can I download version 1.6.4 for kubuntu, or version 1.6 for MacOSx?
20090803 02:45:44< Aethaeryn> ner0x: did you download a 1.6 from the Ubuntu repositories?
20090803 02:46:03< Aethaeryn> If they don't have 1.6.4 already, you have two options: wait or compile it yourself.
20090803 02:46:26< Aethaeryn> ner0x: For MacOSX, it's linked to on the main page: http://www.wesnoth.org/
20090803 02:46:32< Aethaeryn> click on "MacOSX"
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20090803 02:55:07< melinath> or download from the itwesnoth repository
20090803 02:55:23< melinath> there's an explanation on the wiki.
20090803 02:55:30< melinath> ner0x -^
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20090803 03:03:54< Bob_The_Mighty> has anyone ever tired Northern Rebirth on 'Nightmare' level?
20090803 03:04:23< shadowmaster> one MP dev at least, IIRC
20090803 03:05:15< Aethaeryn> Northern Rebirth itself is a nightmare, imo.
20090803 03:05:45< Bob_The_Mighty> i have got to the one where you chase the lich
20090803 03:06:08< shadowmaster> I don't remember how far he got though
20090803 03:06:12< Bob_The_Mighty> the 2nd map took me numerous tries
20090803 03:06:35< Blueblaze> :debug
20090803 03:06:36< shadowmaster> TBH I don't know any mainline dev (besides the ones who brought it to mainline) that truly loves NR
20090803 03:06:41< shadowmaster> yes, that helps too
20090803 03:06:49< shadowmaster> :unit hitpoints=100000
20090803 03:07:18< Bob_The_Mighty> the dialogue is a bit iiffy in parts
20090803 03:07:33< Bob_The_Mighty> but i enjoy having 20 fugitives at my disposal
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20090803 10:11:54< Ivanovic> moin
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20090803 11:22:12< Bilbo_Baggins> Hello, all.
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20090803 11:23:54< Blueblaze> hey Bilbo_Baggins!
20090803 11:35:13< Bilbo_Baggins> How are you doing Blueblaze.  =D
20090803 11:35:49< Blueblaze> I am doing great!
20090803 11:35:51< Blueblaze> How are you?
20090803 11:37:00< Bilbo_Baggins> I'm doing ok.....I guess.  How are you?  I got to go to St Louis with my Dad and Mom.  (There not doing so well, but such is life).  =D
20090803 11:37:37< Bilbo_Baggins> I have pictures.  I loved the free beer.  =D
20090803 11:40:37< Blueblaze> ah, sounds fun
20090803 11:41:13< Bilbo_Baggins> It was.  :)
20090803 11:43:58< Bilbo_Baggins> Let me figure out how to get the picture from my camera and you can see what I look like, I at least owe this to Wesnoth, since I've been such a jackass before.
20090803 11:45:41< apple_ide> BLueblaze: did you make the risk like game
20090803 11:46:02< apple_ide> its pretty fun IMO but the units aren't balanced
20090803 11:46:18< Blueblaze> apple_ide: Indeed I did
20090803 11:46:26< apple_ide> e.g marshals are always better buys when you can afford them
20090803 11:46:34< apple_ide> you need over 30 infantry to take one down
20090803 11:46:46< apple_ide> but they only cost 25 times more
20090803 11:46:58< apple_ide> and they can concentrate power in 1 spot much more effectively
20090803 11:47:25< apple_ide> so I want to see your reasons behind their pricing
20090803 11:47:47< Blueblaze> I picked random numbers and went with it
20090803 11:47:55< Blueblaze> prayed that I was lucky enough to have them balanced
20090803 11:47:56< apple_ide> ahh ok
20090803 11:48:20< apple_ide> imo infantry could be made as marshal's counter.
20090803 11:48:21< apple_ide> this could be done using resistances
20090803 11:48:30< apple_ide> and damage
20090803 11:48:38< apple_ide> make a sort of rock paper scissors thing
20090803 11:48:41< Blueblaze> or not
20090803 11:48:47< apple_ide> well your choice
20090803 11:48:53< Bilbo_Baggins> kk, I got it....what is the easiest way to send a picture so to not give an virii?  I don't want to infect....just show.  =D
20090803 11:48:56< apple_ide> I just felt like I should leave a comment
20090803 11:49:07< Blueblaze> apple_ide: I appreciate it
20090803 11:49:13< apple_ide> :)
20090803 11:49:27< Blueblaze> Bilbo_Baggins: www.imagebin.org
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20090803 11:49:52< Bilbo_Baggins> I knew that.  =D  Sry, been ofline for a few days.  LMAO
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20090803 11:51:45< Bilbo_Baggins> http://imagebin.ca/view/C5IBsl.html
20090803 11:51:50< Bilbo_Baggins> That's me.  =D
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20090803 11:54:31< Blueblaze> Ahh okay, with beer in hand I see
20090803 11:54:39< Bilbo_Baggins> Yep.  =D
20090803 11:54:51< Bilbo_Baggins> I loved that place, I was actually sober then.  =D
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20090803 11:58:01< Blueblaze> Bilbo_Baggins: Moments before getting drunk I see
20090803 11:58:56< Bilbo_Baggins> I didn't get drunk then.  I was with my mommy.  =D
20090803 11:59:14< Blueblaze> ah okay
20090803 11:59:22< Blueblaze> Did she get drunk?
20090803 11:59:49< Bilbo_Baggins> mUm Irssi Just screwed up.......Need to relog it... "HELL NO!"  LOL, she doesn't drink at all.
20090803 12:00:10< Bilbo_Baggins> Ok woking again....hmmm.
20090803 12:00:32< Bilbo_Baggins> I think I broke sometthing in my distro....
20090803 12:02:51< Bilbo_Baggins> My mom isn't doing too good, neither is my dad.  I hope my mom hangs on for a while yet....I need to learn how to cope without her.....If that makes sense....I'll either go bonkers, or I'll start to get very, very, very angry.... Just me, though...
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20090803 12:05:01< Bilbo_Baggins> I'm a trekkie, Star wars fan.... (not to the point that I put on make-up for grins and giggles, I only do that for collegete playes I've been in... LMFAO =D )
20090803 12:06:37< Blueblaze> Bilbo_Baggins: Have you played Brotherhood of Light?
20090803 12:07:04< Bilbo_Baggins> I tried it....but I cannot find three more people...
20090803 12:07:10< Bilbo_Baggins> :/
20090803 12:07:26< Bilbo_Baggins> Want to help me learn?
20090803 12:07:44< Blueblaze> Bilbo_Baggins: You can always control all sides by yourself
20090803 12:07:51< Bilbo_Baggins> I can?
20090803 12:07:57< Blueblaze> A lot of people end up playing that game single player (controlling all sides)
20090803 12:07:59< Bilbo_Baggins> I did not realize that.
20090803 12:08:23< Blueblaze> Yes, start Wesnoth, click on "Multiplayer"  then "Local Game"
20090803 12:08:48< Bilbo_Baggins> I will have to try it later.  I cannot do it right now.  Oh, wtf.  I will see where it gets me. =D
20090803 12:09:25< Blueblaze> It'll pull up the map list, select Brotherhood of Light, then it will bring you to the game lobby. Once you're there, it should have several players called "Local Player" which means those are the sides you'll control as well
20090803 12:11:39< Bilbo_Baggins> I did try a game called Sceptre of Life....I got to the second scenerio (or third, and I got my ass whooped).... LOL
20090803 12:11:53< Bilbo_Baggins> Poloticians Blunder
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20090803 17:41:22< blarumyrran> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gregor_Baci.jpg note the "no:b" in the higher left
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20090803 18:39:56< ancestral> We so gotta be playing hurt and heal on the forums
20090803 18:40:12< ancestral> I just realized we've never done that before
20090803 19:17:05< ancestral> All it takes is one person to kill Submerge now
20090803 19:18:53< fendrin> ancestral: what are you talking about?
20090803 19:19:07< ancestral> fendrin: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=26522
20090803 19:19:14< ancestral> A fun little game we've started
20090803 19:20:23< Aethaeryn> I'm rooting for teleport or ambush
20090803 19:20:26< fendrin> Ah, I see :-)
20090803 19:20:39< Aethaeryn> teleport, ambush, and concealment = ultra :)
20090803 19:20:41< ancestral> Teleport and ambush are slick
20090803 19:20:41< fendrin> backstab
20090803 19:20:52< ancestral> I think backstab is considered a weapon ability
20090803 19:20:59< fendrin> yes, right.
20090803 19:21:03< ancestral> These are person abilities sadly
20090803 19:21:06< Aethaeryn> that can be next
20090803 19:21:09< ancestral> Right!
20090803 19:21:12< Aethaeryn> backstab/charge/poison/etc.
20090803 19:21:22< Aethaeryn> Only once a day though? Bah.
20090803 19:21:26< ancestral> Yeah
20090803 19:21:26< Aethaeryn> It should be once a page.
20090803 19:21:35< ancestral> Meh
20090803 19:21:45< Aethaeryn> If it's more than a day, it's more than a day, if it gets a lot of posts, it gets a lot of posts
20090803 19:21:50< ancestral> It doesn't get overrun by the same people this way
20090803 19:22:07< ancestral> And it's how other forums do it
20090803 19:22:13< Aethaeryn> not sure if there's enough people.e
20090803 19:22:22< Aethaeryn> The way other forums do it is -1 +1
20090803 19:22:29< Aethaeryn> never seen -1 +1 OR -2 :P
20090803 19:22:32< ancestral> Really?
20090803 19:22:35< Aethaeryn> The point is a transfer of points.
20090803 19:22:38< Aethaeryn> Or at least, as I saw it.
20090803 19:22:48< Aethaeryn> So if there were 10 choices, the winner would get 100
20090803 19:22:59< ancestral> http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=391448
20090803 19:23:02< Aethaeryn> I used to moderate the forum games forum
20090803 19:23:12< Aethaeryn> so I know my share of forum games
20090803 19:23:13< ancestral> Aethaeryn: not usually
20090803 19:23:32< blarumyrran> Whats wrong with submerge
20090803 19:23:41< ancestral> It sucks :P
20090803 19:23:47< blarumyrran> On skeletons
20090803 19:23:56< ancestral> If you want to "rescue" submerge, give it a +1 and a -1 to something else
20090803 19:24:00< blarumyrran> On naga it could be fun
20090803 19:24:13< ancestral> Aethaeryn: having a hurt -2 helps move the game along too
20090803 19:24:14< Aethaeryn> but it's not on naga
20090803 19:24:22< Aethaeryn> ancestral: yeah, it does. Makes a faster game
20090803 19:25:40< Aethaeryn> teleport/conceal/nightstalk...
20090803 19:25:56< blarumyrran> whether its on naga or skeletons is irrelevant if you consider the coolness of the abilities so that which ones would you use if doing your own faction
20090803 19:25:58< Aethaeryn> Could be *anywhere* at night, *any* village at day. And you can't see it move about.
20090803 19:26:09< blarumyrran> & then submerge would get a high score from me at least
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20090803 19:26:31< Aethaeryn> blarumyrran: then counter ancestral's move exactly
20090803 19:26:36< Aethaeryn> and go back and forth forever ;)
20090803 19:26:53< blarumyrran> Naah, submerge is doomed to die because of people like you :)
20090803 19:26:53< ancestral> Eventually Aeth will hurt Submerge unless enough people counter him :)
20090803 19:28:07< Aethaeryn> ancestral: nah, I'll probably add to nightstalk or teleportp
20090803 19:28:09< Aethaeryn> -p
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20090803 19:29:22< Aethaeryn> I really think a teleport/conceal/nightstalk unit would be awesome...
20090803 19:29:28< Aethaeryn> Goblins should get that ability ;)
20090803 19:29:37< ancestral> Level 6 Goblin unit
20090803 19:29:45< ancestral> Goblin Ninja
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20090803 19:29:55< ancestral> Goblin Ninja Mage
20090803 19:30:20< blarumyrran> in those cheap old ninja movies, ninjas do teleport
20090803 19:30:35< ancestral> I suppose they could be that fast
20090803 19:30:45< ancestral> It would then seem like they're teleporting
20090803 19:31:16< blarumyrran> with a ZAP sound
20090803 19:31:49< ancestral> Yes we have another player!
20090803 19:32:19< ancestral> "Submerge, however, is only of use if you're trying to recreate pirates of the carribean."
20090803 19:32:21< ancestral> Awesome!
20090803 19:32:47< blarumyrran> i thought skeletons got submerge because of poc too
20090803 19:32:55< ancestral> Skellies do
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20090803 21:28:53< grzywacz> Submerge is awesome.
20090803 21:29:26< Ukraneean> I've never actually had an opportunity to use it.
20090803 21:29:33< blarumyrran> And it is up to you as a dev to give it to some hi-level nagas then!
20090803 21:30:13< grzywacz> I did.
20090803 21:30:22< grzywacz> Almost achieved a flawless victory thanks to it.
20090803 21:30:29< grzywacz> Lack of patience doomed me though.
20090803 21:30:56< grzywacz> There's one MP map with deep water going almost from one castle to another.
20090803 21:31:11< grzywacz> I had an army of skellies going there, with the leader, ready to attack at night.
20090803 21:31:22< grzywacz> But I moved one over a shallow water and it was noticed.
20090803 21:31:24< grzywacz> :-(
20090803 21:31:27< grzywacz> *a hex of
20090803 21:32:03< grzywacz> Deathblade at night eats low-hp leaders or trees. And with the whole army following him? :D
20090803 21:32:29< Ukraneean> oh actually I take back what I said.  I used it once effectively.  I basically lost and retreated my troops but hid my leader and when his army went by (he took his leader) I went to his keep and recruited behind him
20090803 21:32:30< blarumyrran> I once wan Blitz as undead because the enemy THOUGHT i had lots of submerged skeletons because he couldnt see enough units of mine, actually i was just hoarding gold
20090803 21:32:31< Ukraneean> still died
20090803 21:32:36< Ukraneean> but it was funny
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20090803 21:33:10< Ukraneean> well blarum that certainly tops mine haha
20090803 21:36:52< grzywacz> nice ;-)
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20090803 21:37:13< grzywacz> See, this ability is worth keeping, even if only for such moments. ;)
20090803 21:37:50< Ukraneean> :P
20090803 21:38:02< Ukraneean> it does make for some fun games
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