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20090805 00:55:47< Aethaeryn> thespaceinvader: sprite sheets?
20090805 01:05:02< Aethaeryn> thespaceinvader: btw, in your latest commit, you used the drake glider portrait for the drake glider and the hurricane drake, but not its lvl 2 sky drake
20090805 01:05:21< thespaceinvader> missed it Aethaeryn 
20090805 01:05:26< thespaceinvader> will fix
20090805 01:06:11< thespaceinvader> umm
20090805 01:06:13< thespaceinvader> no i didn't
20090805 01:06:19< Aethaeryn> odd
20090805 01:06:23< Aethaeryn> it's not showing up in my help file
20090805 01:06:35< Aethaeryn> and I have the latest revision (well, not anymore since jetrel made a few commits)
20090805 01:06:43< thespaceinvader> o wait, i see what i did there
20090805 01:06:53< thespaceinvader> find/replace all ont he word glider >.<
20090805 01:07:12< thespaceinvader> and sprite sheets are very very tentative as of yet, not something to be worrying about at present
20090805 01:08:41< wajimba> woah- the sky drake looks awesome
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20090805 01:38:55< Aethaeryn> thespaceinvader: Sky Drake team coloring broken
20090805 01:38:57< Aethaeryn> his shirt is pink
20090805 01:39:06< thespaceinvader> which frames?
20090805 01:39:22< Aethaeryn> base
20090805 01:39:27< Aethaeryn> that's the only one I noticed
20090805 01:39:46< thespaceinvader> o_O
20090805 01:39:57< thespaceinvader> basic error
20090805 01:40:02< Aethaeryn> so... all of them :S
20090805 01:40:06< thespaceinvader> TC  macro not applied...
20090805 01:40:35< thespaceinvader> good catch, thanks
20090805 01:40:42< Aethaeryn> you're welcome, I like to test
20090805 01:41:04< Aethaeryn> thespaceinvader: why is the glider constantly flying (base) while it goes to the ground to burn/fight?
20090805 01:41:29< Aethaeryn> he'll go knee deep in water to melee :S
20090805 01:41:56< thespaceinvader> because that's how the WML is done - Jet did that, you'd have to take it up with him
20090805 01:42:14< Aethaeryn> eh, I probably will..
20090805 01:42:16< Aethaeryn> bugs me a bit
20090805 01:42:19< thespaceinvader> the whole of the drakes WML with regard to flying is getting an overhaul once the take-off/landing can be used
20090805 01:42:26< thespaceinvader> so i'd leave it til then
20090805 01:42:43< Aethaeryn> eh, okay
20090805 01:42:49< Aethaeryn> I'll accept that they're works-in-progress
20090805 01:43:05< Aethaeryn> and that jetrel will probably make it logical
20090805 01:43:15< Aethaeryn> they do look cool though
20090805 01:43:28< Aethaeryn> I can see Drakes being played more often.
20090805 01:47:32< Aethaeryn> at least initially, in the release candidates.
20090805 01:48:18< shadowmaster> I should change your title from WikiWizzz to Funny Oracle
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20090805 01:49:56< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: only if I do a quick frankenstein of the saurian oracle for an avatar ;)
20090805 01:50:04< Aethaeryn> that'll step on lizard's toes though
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20090805 01:51:27< Aethaeryn> evilshadowm: redundant much?
20090805 01:51:33< Aethaeryn> Given IftU
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20090805 07:20:30< Blueblaze> hey Ukraneean
20090805 07:20:40< Ukraneean> hi
20090805 07:22:14< Blueblaze> How are you?
20090805 07:22:43< Ukraneean> good
20090805 07:23:00< Ukraneean> how are you?
20090805 07:23:17< Blueblaze> Pretty good, working on my project :z
20090805 07:23:23< Ukraneean> which one's that?
20090805 07:23:43< Blueblaze> Well, it is an RPG I'm working on, hopefully getting some help from others
20090805 07:23:54< Ukraneean> sounds cool
20090805 07:24:13< Blueblaze> Yeah, are you a fan of RPGs at all?
20090805 07:24:23< Ukraneean> yep i like them
20090805 07:25:04< Blueblaze> Any particular favorites? (I'm mainly referring to non-Wesnoth RPGs here)
20090805 07:25:33< Ukraneean> uh... 
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20090805 07:26:16< Ukraneean> do browser games count?
20090805 07:26:38< Ukraneean> Torpia, Utopia, Lords of Evil, and Freesky
20090805 07:27:42< Blueblaze> Sure, any specific aspects about them you enjoy? Personally, browser RPGs just seem like time wasters, but they do a good job in making you think you have fun which is an important quality in RPGs ironically
20090805 07:28:00< Ukraneean> time wasters? it's resource management
20090805 07:28:20< Ukraneean> im not into hack and slash for the most part no
20090805 07:28:27< Blueblaze> Heh, well they do require a considerable investment in time anyway
20090805 07:28:32< Blueblaze> So have you played any Wesnoth RPGs?
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20090805 07:28:59< Ukraneean> I occasionally play sx
20090805 07:29:08< Ukraneean> when I don't feel like thinking
20090805 07:29:18< Ukraneean> well yaknow what i mean
20090805 07:29:34< Ukraneean> and i played BoL once or twice...
20090805 07:29:37< Ukraneean> never finished
20090805 07:29:45< Blueblaze> ah, most people haven't finished BoL lol
20090805 07:29:51< Ukraneean> oh oh and I play spiral
20090805 07:29:57< Blueblaze> Spiral?
20090805 07:29:59< Ukraneean> that's one I actually DO enjoy
20090805 07:30:02< Ukraneean> yes Spooky's Spiral
20090805 07:30:29< Blueblaze> Is it on the add-on server?
20090805 07:30:51< Ukraneean> yep... there's a map in there that I actually designed and I'm a lich in the center and you get to kill me :D
20090805 07:31:39< Blueblaze> Spooky's Spiral by SpookyMagician?
20090805 07:31:43< Ukraneean> yes
20090805 07:32:02< Ukraneean> it puts less emphasis on shopping and more emphasis on strategy
20090805 07:32:37< Blueblaze> Downloading it, better not let me down ;p but it probably will since I have pretty high expectations for RPGs anyway
20090805 07:32:46< Blueblaze> Which is why I'm not a fan really of anything done so far for Wesnoth
20090805 07:33:12< Ukraneean> "Ukraneean's Spiral" is the best one in my opinion
20090805 07:33:20< Ukraneean> i just made the map for him
20090805 07:33:34< Ukraneean> lol
20090805 07:34:05< Blueblaze> I bet ;p
20090805 07:34:08< Ukraneean> but no it's a good rpg you don't get the +4 mp
20090805 07:34:19< Blueblaze> wow
20090805 07:34:21< Blueblaze> The map actually looks interesting
20090805 07:34:26< Ukraneean> so it's less hack and slash
20090805 07:34:47< Ukraneean> watch out he's fond of traps I'm afraid
20090805 07:35:16< Ukraneean> in some of his maps he even has places where if you step on them... you just die...
20090805 07:35:20< Blueblaze> I'm playing your spiral right now
20090805 07:35:47< Ukraneean> do not under any circumstances step into the lit areas in caves
20090805 07:35:49< Ukraneean> trust me
20090805 07:37:16< Blueblaze> Hmm, I really like the terrain layout. Some things could be executed a lot better especially to reduce lag issues
20090805 07:37:31< Blueblaze> For example, don't spawn all the monsters on the first time :)
20090805 07:37:48< Ukraneean> I have no control over that
20090805 07:37:59< Blueblaze> You just made the terrain right?
20090805 07:38:04< Ukraneean> yes
20090805 07:38:08< Blueblaze> I think that is the Spooky style of making maps though
20090805 07:38:24< Ukraneean> getting other people to do them? I don't follow
20090805 07:38:27< Blueblaze> Anyway, the concept of what you did is fairly nice
20090805 07:38:33< Ukraneean> no his concept
20090805 07:38:47< Blueblaze> I made an RPG pretty similar to this in 1.3.x or 1.4.x
20090805 07:38:51< Blueblaze> I think it was 1.4.x
20090805 07:39:12< Ukraneean> he held like a thing where anyone could make a map and give it to him.  Had to be so and so big.  Had to be in a spiral.  Had to have this terrain so on and so on.
20090805 07:40:00< Blueblaze> Ukraneean, do you know WML at all?
20090805 07:40:02< Ukraneean> if you step on the trap i believe it's like me casting a spell on you or something.  And he has the laughter track from the dwarvish ulfserker as an evil laugh.
20090805 07:40:07< Ukraneean> no I do not
20090805 07:40:52< Ukraneean> god I know lua and Bmt from OTHER games I'm not learning a third
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20090805 07:42:16 * Blueblaze should bring silene in here but will resist the urge
20090805 07:42:30< Blueblaze> Basically in the dev line, lua compatibility is being added to Wesnoth
20090805 07:42:48< Ukraneean> oh boy
20090805 07:43:04< Ukraneean> then I could have some fun haha
20090805 07:43:13< Blueblaze> Wesnoth imo is a very easy language to learn. To make a basic map, it is about as difficult as HTML (which is the only language I know and I don't know it that well)
20090805 07:43:27< Ukraneean> no clue how you'd make it at all compatible.  I'm baffled by WML
20090805 07:43:54< Ukraneean> lua scripts basically come with instructions
20090805 07:46:55< Blueblaze> There is a WML handbook online, so it isn't like the language is a cryptic language you have to code :p
20090805 07:47:41< Ukraneean> meh :P
20090805 07:47:49< Ukraneean> I'll wait for lua
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20090805 07:49:23< Ukraneean> oh dev line nvm
20090805 07:49:40< Ukraneean> then i won't do anything at all I really don't feel like adding another code to my brain >.<
20090805 07:49:40< Blueblaze> Yeah, it already exists to some degree in the dev branch
20090805 07:49:46< Blueblaze> Heh
20090805 07:50:11< Ukraneean> I learned lua when I was young before they found out what my computer arts teacher was doing was actually child labor exploitation
20090805 07:50:24< Ukraneean> XD
20090805 07:50:37< Blueblaze> Well, I find SpookyMagician's RPG somewhat pleasant, but the execution is annoying/poor in several ways
20090805 07:50:54< Ukraneean> I'll tell him you said that
20090805 07:51:00< Ukraneean> XD
20090805 07:51:04< Ukraneean> nah he's good with criticism
20090805 07:51:17< Ukraneean> and generally likes feedback :P
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20090805 12:33:06< lizard_r> Hi, does anyone else have problems loging into the forum with Firefox 3.5.2? I'll get a sucessful login message at the next page I'm loged out. Fx without addons will do that, too but the IE does work.
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20090805 13:08:20< dansan> Is there a way to iterate over attributes in a tag?
20090805 13:08:22< dansan> in WML
20090805 13:09:49< zookeeper> what do you mean?
20090805 13:10:29< zookeeper> you can't find out the names of the attributes that exist within a given tag with WML
20090805 13:11:40< zookeeper> that is you couldn't print out a list of all the keys of some tag to the user, but you could of course check whether a given key exists
20090805 13:11:55< zookeeper> (although lua would probably be capable of that)
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20090805 13:33:13< dansan> zookeeper, oops, I missed your message again =)
20090805 13:33:32< dansan> and you answered my question, thanks! =)
20090805 13:33:51< dansan> Yea, I decided to add a character sheet to the brotherhood of light =)
20090805 13:36:18< zookeeper> oh
20090805 13:36:35< zookeeper> the tooltip isn't good enough?
20090805 13:36:50< zookeeper> the perks/items/magic thing in the right panel
20090805 13:37:01< dansan> hmmm
20090805 13:37:17< dansan> OMFG!
20090805 13:37:20< zookeeper> yeah ;)
20090805 13:37:32< zookeeper> it's not very clear that it exists
20090805 13:37:51< dansan> When did that start existing! =)
20090805 13:37:57< zookeeper> i think the help system and early instructions need to be revisited quite heavily to point things out to the player
20090805 13:38:00< dansan> It was always such a pain trynig to remember who had what
20090805 13:38:21< zookeeper> oh it's been there for a while, i think it was one of the things i did quite soon after i started maintaining that
20090805 13:39:21< dansan> It still doesn't show misc spells
20090805 13:39:27< zookeeper> did you not notice that line in the right panel or just didn't check if it has a tooltip?
20090805 13:39:33< zookeeper> yeah, could be
20090805 13:39:41< dansan> I just didn't know it had a tooltip!!!
20090805 13:39:55< dansan> lol!
20090805 13:40:21< zookeeper> most things in the right panel do, so i guess most people would be curious enough to check ;) but those things need to be pointed out somewhere
20090805 13:40:40< dansan> Also, I think it would be better if instructions were lower on the list because when using the right-click menu, players will usually want to choose "spells" I think
20090805 13:40:50< dansan> hehe! =)
20090805 13:41:10< zookeeper> sure
20090805 13:41:35< zookeeper> btw, one of the things i added yesterday is a context menu item with which you can switch the side of NPCs that join you
20090805 13:42:03< zookeeper> so if p2 always triggers the encounters and gets the NPCs, he can pass them off to some other player
20090805 13:42:38< dansan> that's cool! =)
20090805 13:42:41< dansan> I like that idea
20090805 13:43:12< zookeeper> it was rather irritating that you had no control over that
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20090805 13:43:36< zookeeper> another thing i might implement is passing around items like you can gold
20090805 13:43:38< dansan> Yea, I usually prefer to have one character have all of the other units attached to them
20090805 13:43:43< dansan> ahh, yea!!!
20090805 13:43:50< dansan> That is also quite a limitation
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20090805 13:44:22< dansan> You know, I personaly think that the Gauntlet of Wind is more valuable than the 150 gold.  I dunno, maybe it's my playing style
20090805 13:44:39< dansan> I like to have that, train the melee and then use Enchant, etc.
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20090805 13:45:44< zookeeper> being able to sell things sorta beats the point of the item choice, though. just picking the one that fetches the highest price and selling it sounds like the best idea.
20090805 13:46:27< dansan> Yea, but I think the gauntlet is the best item personally.  But again, that's probably just my playing style
20090805 13:46:36< dansan> I rather like the character generation
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20090805 13:50:54< dansan> zookeeper: I'm going to go ahead and finish this and submit it to you and if you like it you can keep it, otherwise, I'll consider it a skill-building experience =)
20090805 13:52:11< zookeeper> sure
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20090805 15:30:55< Chakravanti> i always thought what was most annoying is that the potions are consumed on the spot (when they are needed the least)
20090805 15:31:19< Chakravanti> maybe something to allow you to keep mana pots with you and use them on demand?
20090805 15:31:26< zookeeper> Chakravanti, in BoL?
20090805 15:31:34< Chakravanti> yes
20090805 15:32:03< zookeeper> yeah, well, sure that's a bit of an annoyance, but currently there's no mechanism for using items in your inventory
20090805 15:32:20< zookeeper> would have to add yet another menu item for using things
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20090805 15:35:27< zookeeper> it wouldn't be too hard to do, but...i'm just not sure if it's worth it
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20090805 15:56:41< lizard_r> Hi, does anyone else have problems loging into the forum with Firefox 3.5.2 on Vista? I'll get a sucessful login message at the next page I'm loged out. Fx without addons will do that, too but the IE does work. - on XP it will work with 3.5.2, the two instances are synced by weave but the XP machine doesn't have any other addons.
20090805 15:57:45< lizard_r> wesnoth is the only page I have iusses with, the freeorion phpbb board lets me log in
20090805 16:00:45< Chakravanti> idk
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20090805 16:46:33< Woodmouse> I will continue making the mudcrawler, and swamp dwarves, and dark elves, and my campaign, later. Soon later. I just want to tyell that. XD
20090805 16:46:35< Woodmouse> *tell
20090805 16:48:23< Woodmouse> brb, I'm going to eat the Poop Bear.
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20090805 17:47:53< Woodmouse> So.. I think I'll continue working on the campaign now.
20090805 17:56:45< Woodmouse> ...but I ned to read the fourcs
20090805 17:56:52< Woodmouse> *need to read the forums
20090805 18:05:31< Woodmouse> aarfgh, I'm too lazy.
20090805 18:05:40< Woodmouse> (to continue making the campaign now)
20090805 18:05:53< Woodmouse> but... I'll continue making all stff ater.
20090805 18:05:59< Woodmouse> *stuff later
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20090805 18:13:07< zookeeper> dansan, seems pretty identical to what the tooltip contains...with the exception of the misc spells
20090805 18:13:31< asdfasdf> .
20090805 18:14:50< Woodmouse> Is Lylie a real name? (I'm just curious xD)
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20090805 18:26:18< Woodmouse> internet problems
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20090805 18:56:47< shadowmaster> aw, I came here too late.
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20090805 19:08:30< Soliton> dansan: note that a path like ../data/campaigns/Descent_Into_Darkness/... works only on windows and there only if the userdata dir is under wesnoth's dir. (re that snippet you posted for BoL.)
20090805 19:09:46< Soliton> and it probably doesn't work at all in the dev version.
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20090805 21:00:59< lizard_r> Hi, does anyone else have problems loging into the forum with Firefox 3.5.2 on Vista? I'll get a sucessful login message, at the next page I'm loged out. Fx without addons will do that, too but the IE does work. - on XP it will work with 3.5.2, the two instances are synced by weave but the XP machine doesn't have any addons (exept weave). - I now discovered that it works in Private Browsing Mode, which makes the whole thing even stange
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20090805 21:21:08< dansan> zookeeper, yea, I followed the same format you used on the tooltips version, it just adds the spell names, puts stuff on one line (since you have more width than tooltips) and iterates over arrays for it's values.  It would probably be better to use the same variable name for all the arrays (and clear it in between), but oh well.
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20090805 21:23:47< zookeeper> dansan, the implementation isn't a problem either way, but i'm not too excited about adding yet another menu item for something that can be accessed via the tooltip already (and i used the tooltip method exactly because i found it was more useful and convenient than a menu item that invalidates your undo and all that)
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20090805 21:29:18< dansan> ahhh =)
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